There should be a public general elections on the DTs

[khaled0111]

Its like saying when i do buying and selling, let's say on amazon, anyone can give feedback?
Even though they are not customers? Just because they are trusted by Amazon "inner-circle"?

On Amazon, the identities of both seller and buyer are known.
Unlike Amazon, here, it is impossible to prove the customer is not just an alt of the seller.

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[gwsukabokepjepang]

So let me get this straight, you are saying that DT members (or anyone else) can't tag scammers unless they actually got scammed by them?

yes! that's how business work.
I didn't use escrow, that's my fault. Just like any business, there is escrow too.

There should be a default escrow in place! To make sure this is safe transactions.
It's called marketplace for a reason, just like Amazon, eBay.
So the seller built trust on real customers feedback.

But this thread is about how can anyone can give feedback even though they are not customers?

i cant see the link here.
Why are you even linking this to police?

On real-life police work to stop the offense and on this forum DT try to stop the scam.

Its like saying when i do buying and selling, let's say on amazon, anyone can give feedback?
Even though they are not customers?

On Amazon that is for trading only and there, payment can be checked. There are a lot of worker works to stop scammer. And for trade, you have to pay the fee (I am not sure if I am wrong then correct me.) But bitcointalk is a discussion platform where trading is only a sub-board. I want to say sub sub board. And on here there is no fee deduct by the site. So you can't compare these two.

Thats amazon, i know of more legit marketplace in my country that does not take fee for buying and selling. The platform earn by being a gold member and above. You can sell more etc, get statistics.

So you can't compare these two.
then you can't compare police and forum too you see.

Its like saying when i do buying and selling, let's say on amazon, anyone can give feedback?
Even though they are not customers? Just because they are trusted by Amazon "inner-circle"?

On Amazon, the identities of both seller and buyer are known.
Unlike Amazon, here, it is impossible to prove the customer is not just an alt of the seller.

Are you sure? Because i have transacted there before , and i don't even know the seller.

[TMAN]

I didn't use escrow, that's my fault.

so smack yourself in the face and move on you moron - you bought an account when its frowned upon, you dealt with a user without escrow as well.  2 fail safes that if you hadn't ignored them you wouldn't of lost money - but its everyone else's fault now?

fuck me how stupid are you

[ABCbits]

A trivia, OP's username means "I like Japanese Porn"

As a member of the public, there should be a general elections whereby we are allowed to vote who will keep their place in the DTs!

Can you find ways to :
1. Prevent someone with multiple accounts have multiple votes
2. Prevent someone who wants to be (or stay as) DT from using money politics (buy someone's vote)
3. Make sure the election process can be proven fair without reveal any of users choice

If you can't solve those problem, i'm sure the election will be disaster and DT condition will become even worse

Most quality posts does not even receive any merits!

Then i should introduce you to this thread, Report unmerited good posts to Merit Source

I always this thread every few days and send some merit to reported good posts if i have merit left.

[gwsukabokepjepang]

I didn't use escrow, that's my fault.

so smack yourself in the face and move on you moron - you bought an account when its frowned upon, you dealt with a user without escrow as well.  2 fail safes that if you hadn't ignored them you wouldn't of lost money - but its everyone else's fault now?

fuck me how stupid are you

hello! i said that this thread is about why anyone can give feedback to sellers! Not about escrow...

A trivia, OP's username means "I like Japanese Porn"

As a member of the public, there should be a general elections whereby we are allowed to vote who will keep their place in the DTs!

Can you find ways to :
1. Prevent someone with multiple accounts have multiple votes
2. Prevent someone who wants to be (or stay as) DT from using money politics (buy someone's vote)
3. Make sure the election process can be proven fair without reveal any of users choice

If you can't solve those problem, i'm sure the election will be disaster and DT condition will become even worse

Most quality posts does not even receive any merits!

Then i should introduce you to this thread, Report unmerited good posts to Merit Source

I always this thread every few days and send some merit to reported good posts if i have merit left.

Even if i find ways, the DTs don't even value us newbies, no point!
They don't take any improvements at all.
As the saying goes, When there is a will, there is a way.

[shasan]

Then i should introduce you to this thread, Report unmerited good posts to Merit Source

TMAN already told to provide four quality posts but OP failed to do so. Actually, OP is not trying to make quality post hence s/he is trying to buy a reputed account.

your posts are low quality - so to prove the point, please link 4 posts that are of high quality that you believe should have merit.

[TheUltraElite]

Even if i find ways, the DTs don't even value us newbies, no point!

Even top ranked members are not spared from their ratings. Being a newbie or not knowing the things that can land you up in trouble is not an excuse. There are so many threads being made in Beginners and Help & Meta to help people know what is right or wrong and what can get you tagged by DT.

They don't take any improvements at all.

Being opinionated wont get you anywhere at all. You have been here for a shorter period of time than the rest of the members and you point is incorrect.

As the saying goes, When there is a will, there is a way.

Of course you are free to participate in the forum as much as you want. But being a scumbag who decides to riot wont get you anywhere and in the end you will be the one suffering from depression.

[gwsukabokepjepang]

See, you all ganged up on newbies even i provide a good valid point.

Thats the problem why DTs can't be trusted!
You just want to defend your positions.

You can't deny that giving anyone feedback even though they are not customers is a problem.
You just brushed it off because you are scared of losing your positions.

As i said, DT gang up together is also a problem even though others prove a valid point!

How many Jr member or member with low merits has replied to this thread? i only can see 1 newbie, even that is a fair view.

all i see is DT gang up to bash on newbies who prove a valid point.

[TMAN]

See, you all ganged up on newbies even i provide a good valid point.

because you are wrong and cannot backup your stupid claims

your posts are low quality - so to prove the point, please link 4 posts that are of high quality that you believe should have merit.

Post some decent posts and ill give you a clue - not one of yours are decent/quality/good. so find some others and ill rain some merits if they are merit worthy. 

you need to remember a newbies knowledge of bitcoin, altcoins and forum politics isn't as good as someone who has been here for 3 years.

[gwsukabokepjepang]

I am wrong?

You can go to Amazon now and tell some sellers, i want to give you a negative feedback because you look like a scammer, but i don't want to buy from you.

Or even go to nearby shops, scold them for being a scammer even though they are not! But you don't buy anything from them.

The feedback says account seller not to be trusted?
You did not even buy from him how can you say he is not trusted?

This is wrong generalization!

Perfect example of how DT will gang up on others!
Yes, i lost my money, due to the fact maybe he is unfairly treated. And i did not use escrow.

but i repeat, this thread is above how can anybody give feedback without transacting?
this system is really ripped off.

And where does it says account selling is illegal?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1881867.0

[TMAN]

I am wrong?

You can go to Amazon now and tell some sellers, i want to give you a negative feedback because you look like a scammer, but i don't want to buy from you.

Or even go to nearby shops, scold them for being a scammer even though they are not! But you don't buy anything from them.

The feedback says account seller not to be trusted?
You did not even buy from him how can you say he is not trusted?

This is wrong generalization!

Perfect example of how DT will gang up on others!
Yes, i lost my money, due to the fact maybe he is unfairly treated. And i did not use escrow.

but i repeat, this thread is above how can anybody give feedback without transacting?
this system is really ripped off.

This isn’t amazon or eBay, this place isn’t filled with bored housewife’s, you are stupid for trying to buy an account and you got scammed for ignoring a shit ton of red and not using escrow. The system isn’t broken your logic is

[gwsukabokepjepang]

I am wrong?

You can go to Amazon now and tell some sellers, i want to give you a negative feedback because you look like a scammer, but i don't want to buy from you.

Or even go to nearby shops, scold them for being a scammer even though they are not! But you don't buy anything from them.

The feedback says account seller not to be trusted?
You did not even buy from him how can you say he is not trusted?

This is wrong generalization!

Perfect example of how DT will gang up on others!
Yes, i lost my money, due to the fact maybe he is unfairly treated. And i did not use escrow.

but i repeat, this thread is above how can anybody give feedback without transacting?
this system is really ripped off.

This isn’t amazon or eBay, this place isn’t filled with bored housewife’s, you are stupid for trying to buy an account and you got scammed for ignoring a shit ton of red and not using escrow. The system isn’t broken your logic is

ok then what is the definition of marketplace? https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/marketplace

bitcointalk stated here marketplace
http://prntscr.com/meq3lu

isn't amazon or ebay a marketplace? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazon_Marketplace

still u have not provide a good point of why DT are allowed to give trusted feedback when they did not buy anything at all.

now, if there is like a default escrow system in place, but still sellers want to take transactions without escrow, then we, as customers, have the right to give bad feedback also.

[TMAN]

still u have not provide a good point of why DT are allowed to give trusted feedback when they did not buy anything at all.

Becuase "Default" trust are the most trusted users on the forum - you chose to ignore the tags and you got scammed - but its the systems fault? you do realise if every user posted feedback and it counted the forum would be swarming in scams due to the number effect - scammers would spin up thousands of alts and overtake this place.

[cryptohunter]

still u have not provide a good point of why DT are allowed to give trusted feedback when they did not buy anything at all.

Becuase "Default" trust are the most trusted users on the forum - you chose to ignore the tags and you got scammed - but its the systems fault? you do realise if every user posted feedback and it counted the forum would be swarming in scams due to the number effect - scammers would spin up thousands of alts and overtake this place.

More lies.

Default trust is home to proven liars, trust abusers and worse.

Do not trust anything this person says. He is a self confessed trust abuser that gives red trust to people for posting facts regarding his pals wrong doing.

Want proof... just ask.

[gwsukabokepjepang]

still u have not provide a good point of why DT are allowed to give trusted feedback when they did not buy anything at all.

Becuase "Default" trust are the most trusted users on the forum - you chose to ignore the tags and you got scammed - but its the systems fault? you do realise if every user posted feedback and it counted the forum would be swarming in scams due to the number effect - scammers would spin up thousands of alts and overtake this place.

every user? you think every users want to buy?
The problem now is that they have not even buy anything at all, why are they allowed to give trusted feedback?

Most trusted, but i don't see them having any transactions at all. How can their feedback automatically be placed on trusted?
I see that there is no logic here!

Thats why the trust is valid only for marketplace trade. And should be placed after buyer has bought items from seller. I think this is more fair.

still u have not provide a good point of why DT are allowed to give trusted feedback when they did not buy anything at all.

Becuase "Default" trust are the most trusted users on the forum - you chose to ignore the tags and you got scammed - but its the systems fault? you do realise if every user posted feedback and it counted the forum would be swarming in scams due to the number effect - scammers would spin up thousands of alts and overtake this place.

More lies.

Default trust is home to proven liars, trust abusers and worse.

Do not trust anything this person says. He is a self confessed trust abuser that gives red trust to people for posting facts regarding his pals wrong doing.

Want proof... just ask.

i am not on either side right now, i just want to prove my point that the trust system has been abused.
I always provide a good fair point.
since the DT has been ganging up on me.

But maybe since i'm a newbie, "without power", they are bullying me.
It's always the people vote against the government.

[TMAN]

every user? you think every users want to buy?
The problem now is that they have not even buy anything at all, why are they allowed to give trusted feedback?

Most trusted, but i don't see them having any transactions at all. How can their feedback automatically be placed on trusted?
I see that there is no logic here!

Thats why the trust is valid only for marketplace trade. And should be placed after buyer has bought items from seller. I think this is more fair.

Right lets use some logic here fella = using you as an example only

start up a business and every user can tag you = manipulation can happen, someone who doesn't like you can tag you 100 times

now lets say only people who have traded with you can tag you -
you start a business that is obviously a ponzi I as an experienced member of this forum know that people will lose money - how do we highlight this if I cannot tag you unless I have dealt with you?

prevention is better than cure and the real issue here is that you tried to buy an account and ignored red tags from trusted users and didn't use and escrow. if you hadn't ignored the tags and actually read around the forum you would realise that buying an account isn't cool and trusting someone "who default trust do not trust" is a fast way to lose money.

just take a chill and think about the above and you will see that DT is needed

[gwsukabokepjepang]

every user? you think every users want to buy?
The problem now is that they have not even buy anything at all, why are they allowed to give trusted feedback?

Most trusted, but i don't see them having any transactions at all. How can their feedback automatically be placed on trusted?
I see that there is no logic here!

Thats why the trust is valid only for marketplace trade. And should be placed after buyer has bought items from seller. I think this is more fair.

Right lets use some logic here fella = using you as an example only

start up a business and every user can tag you = manipulation can happen, someone who doesn't like you can tag you 100 times

now lets say only people who have traded with you can tag you -
you start a business that is obviously a ponzi I as an experienced member of this forum know that people will lose money - how do we highlight this if I cannot tag you unless I have dealt with you?

prevention is better than cure and the real issue here is that you tried to buy an account and ignored red tags from trusted users and didn't use and escrow. if you hadn't ignored the tags and actually read around the forum you would realise that buying an account isn't cool and trusting someone "who default trust do not trust" is a fast way to lose money.

just take a chill and think about the above and you will see that DT is needed

if business you mean ICO?
For this i think a rating will be better.
bitcointalk rating system. Like icobench.
The level of scam something like that. I think it's more fair.
Whether they have legit team, Whitepaper is good or not, etc.
let the public decide, as i said, DT can be biased.
A good example is how they will gang up on me in this thread.

Of course you can say i can create many alts. Then let the admin choose the rating. Simple.
Can be improved as we go along. That's why every member feedback is important.

Just that this Trust system has been clearly abused!

trusted users? i don't think they are automatically placed on trusted just because they are inner circle.

just take a chill and think about the above and you will see that DT is needed.
I do agree some DT is needed, but some are clearly abusing it. Spamming trusted feedbacks too.

start up a business and every user can tag you = manipulation can happen, someone who doesn't like you can tag you 100 times
Doesn't spamming feedbacks counted in this? tagging 100x
same right?
Thats why trust system should be placed after seller has bought the items.

Why can't you see that the trust system has something wrong with it?

Please do not just take 1 side of it.

[TMAN]

I do agree some DT is needed, but some are clearly abusing it. Spamming trusted feedbacks too.
Why can't you see that the trust system has something wrong with it?
Please do not just take 1 side of it.

I don't see abuse, I see people wanting to protect the forum - Admins and theymos do not patrol and police scams that is down to DT, DT years ago saw account trading as an issue and tagged traders - the fact you ignored these clear red marks is why you got scammed bud.

so you agree DT is needed - you now know it needs to be self regulating and you know that a pure voting system can be manipulated by the nefarious user who has the most alts/ time to make the most alts.

tell me a better system than we have now - exactly how would you design your own trust system?

[gwsukabokepjepang]

I do agree some DT is needed, but some are clearly abusing it. Spamming trusted feedbacks too.
Why can't you see that the trust system has something wrong with it?
Please do not just take 1 side of it.

I don't see abuse, I see people wanting to protect the forum - Admins and theymos do not patrol and police scams that is down to DT, DT years ago saw account trading as an issue and tagged traders - the fact you ignored these clear red marks is why you got scammed bud.

so you agree DT is needed - you now know it needs to be self regulating and you know that a pure voting system can be manipulated by the nefarious user who has the most alts/ time to make the most alts.

tell me a better system than we have now - exactly how would you design your own trust system?

I already said, trust system is only for marketplace and should be placed after buyers have bought items from sellers with default escrow.
You get rid of most scams already.

Or keep the DT and remove the trust. the trust is ripped off.

the fact you ignored these clear red marks is why you got scammed bud.
The problem is that DT cannot be not trusted when it comes to transactions.
As it should have real customers feedback.

Or why not create like subdomain? where user set up own shop like amazon?
And then the trust will link to his or her main bitcointalk account, something like that.
Trust will show up after users have bought.

If u continue with this trust, i believe more will get scammed. I can't believe that VISIN managed to scam 2 before me with just 6 transactions.

I believe bitcoin.com has lots of subdomain, and has neater interface.
Although owned by wrong person!
As CZ said, always copy competitors.

[TMAN]

Or keep the DT and remove the trust. the trust is ripped off.

man i'm confused by your wall of text, i'm not having a go as I want to address your issue as you feel slighted by other senior members pointing out you are wrong. I feel you as a newbie have no idea of Theymo's vision of decentralisation - no real knowledge of forum politics either.

Account selling isn't trusted here = you got ripped off buying an account.
you didn't use escrow = you got ripped off
you ignored a load of red taggs = you got ripped off.

the system isn't broken - your attitude towards it is. You cannot make a valid argument against the system as you do not know the intricacies of this place.

but let me pose this question to you - if you hadn't tried to buy an account you wouldn't of got SKAMED would you?