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21  Economy / Economics / Re: Creating a guaranteed minimum income through crypto-coins on: February 25, 2014, 04:45:36 AM

Principles:

1. Wimmin ain't as smurt as men. No gals allowed.
2. Anyone who took er jerbs is out. You take der jerbs with a new process. Thus, you're out.
3. Don't forget about the damn Dutch...

Are those all okay?
It's not principles I would support or associate myself with but every community chooses its own principles and anyone should be able to join with like minded individuals to share profit.

As long as anyone is free to leave and it's not hurting others, all of that is okay.

What if they decided out you go? Could you still deal with the others?

I'll read the paper later.

Then I'm kicked out. That is how a community works. No one is entitled to being part of a community. It's an honor to be a part of a community and some are more exclusive than others.

The thing about all these so-called communities of like-minded individuals that are all "working together" is that you could do that stuff NOW.

Take, for example, the I-think-healthcare-is-a-right-and-everyone-should-have-it-free crowd. Why don't they get together in groups TODAY and provide eveyone in the group with "free" healthcare? They don't need any laws. They never needed any Obiecare. They could have done it, instantly. What the hell was stopping them?

Similarly, free othercoins like those propsed here? What are you guys waiting for?

They seem to think it's easier to blackmail the politicians into doing it than doing it themselves. I guess they don't want to spend the time trying to invent a new system and would rather rely on the corrupt processes of the old system.

But if old methods are outdated or clearly aren't working then we should try different methods. Political methods aren't going to solve every problem and sometimes you have to invent something new to shake things up.
22  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin & PoW is a waste of energy & destroys nature on: February 25, 2014, 02:56:47 AM
Have you heard of Solarcoin? It solves this problem. http://solarcoin.org/
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn25010-solarcoin-cryptocurrency-pays-you-to-go-green.html
23  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Cryptostates - Doing for politics what cryptocurrencies have done for economics on: February 24, 2014, 06:52:41 AM
These are some good ideas and my thread compliments this one.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=483866.msg5326024#msg5326024

The problem with most states as we know them is that they aren't very good at certain things. For example providing social programs or basic income is something the traditional states suck at. A cryptostate or decentralized autonomous community would be better at this because there would not be a need to have a debate in congress, there would not be a need to overcome political barriers, it's just a matter of writing the code and then people who agree with having a basic income exist would use the cryptocurrency and join the community which enables it.



Only problem as I see it is, assuming this is a voluntary association, the society which does not have basic income is the society in which business flocks to (thereby making basic income unnecessary.)  As the people of crypto A, who do believe in a basic income, realize they're no longer generating enough revenue to pay for everyone to live, they're faced with two options: adopt the philosophy of the people of crypto B, or find a way to take their wealth in some fashion or another, the latter case being involuntary and back to step one of coercive states.

But it's certainly an improvement, I think, assuming no violence is involved.  What bitcoin is now is probably the perfect crypto for me, but I would be interested in seeing people making the basic-income crypto work.  I imagine you would need to prove every individual's identity, which requires some kind of central database, to ensure nobody receives double+ income while others receive half-.  You'd need to figure out who owns this database and how it can best be secured; who pays for the people who secure it.  Or find some other means to prove an individual is real.  Perhaps the cost can be directly removed from every transfer to a central wallet, i.e. what Freicoin does, as a fee for making the crypto function (I almost made the mistake of calling it a tax but realized usage is voluntary.)  I think these costs further push business away, but that's just my prediction; maybe it is the best way to go at it.


You're assuming that business is a centralized unified group consciousness that will logically flock to something it's not programmed to flock to. Businesses are machines which can be programmed to have basic income built into their DNA. Employees are humans/robots or software agents running on decentralized autonomous corporations.

If the business is a DAC and the employees are robots then the shareholders get dividends and that is basic income. There is no need for any central control and that means there is no need for a central government but there is a need for a decentralized governing process. Government becomes a process and the law becomes the source code/math.

You're telling me that the owners of the DAC would prefer not to receive the dividend? Businesses exist only to provide value to the community, society, and to bring profit to their shareholders. So all you have to do to provide a basic dividend is make every member of the community a shareholder. You don't need government or permission to have basic income you just need the production capacity and to write the necessary software.

" I imagine you would need to prove every individual's identity, which requires some kind of central database, to ensure nobody receives double+ income while others receive half-. "


You don't need a central database. That is like saying to exchange money you need a centralized exchange and government issuer. You can easily have an encrypted decentralized database DAC. Ethereum would easily allow for it in the form of a contract which would only be several lines of code in fact.

" You'd need to figure out who owns this database and how it can best be secured"

No one owns it. The database would be based on blockchain technology, and a decentralized encrypted Bittorrent style private cloud. Encrypt and store it in such a way that only the users themselves can determine who can access their identity or any other data they store in their private cloud.

None of it must be centralized. No one should own the database. The community itself would host the database via nodes just as the community hosts the Bitcoin blockchain. The community itself would own shares in itself. These would not be traditional businesses we are talking about here but DACs which seek to maximize both automation and profits for the community of shareholders.

"I think these costs further push business away, but that's just my prediction; maybe it is the best way to go at it."


You haven't shown an additional cost. Businesses already pay dividends to shareholders. Under my proposal businesses would operate even more efficiently because they would be DACs and these DACs would pay shareholders. The only difference would be that the shares would be distributed to the members of a community.

So if I started a business that is a DAC I could program the DAC to give 20% of it's shares back to my community. In a few lines of code my community would have basic income and if every member of a community who starts a DAC gives back 20% in order to remain a member or citizen of their community then basic income is achieved easily without any tax.

The only reason it wouldn't work is if people are so greedy that they don't want a community. Human nature has shown otherwise that human beings do care about their community even if they don't care about the government.
 
Because DAC shares are capital assets which pay dividends their value would appreciate over time as automation makes business more efficient. The end result of this process (if you believe in the technological singularity or similar theories) is that eventually a DAC will come along which is so efficient that it will remove poverty for the entire community.

"Only problem as I see it is, assuming this is a voluntary association, the society which does not have basic income is the society in which business flocks to (thereby making basic income unnecessary.)  As the people of crypto A, who do believe in a basic income, realize they're no longer generating enough revenue to pay for everyone to live, they're faced with two options: adopt the philosophy of the people of crypto B, or find a way to take their wealth in some fashion or another, the latter case being involuntary and back to step one of coercive states."

This is a somewhat valid argument but it will not hold weight long term as automaton becomes more advanced and technological unemployment kicks in. The only reason people cannot generate enough to live is because of artificial scarcity. That does not exist in deflationary economies where the cost of living decreases with time.

Automation and artificial intelligence will dramatically increase efficiency of production whether it be food, home construction, or more complicated things. A 3d printer today can print homes so what would stop a community from creating a home maker DAC based around 3d printing technology in the future?

The fact that it's a DAC automatically will make it far more efficient than the brick and mortar corporations which will not be able to compete. The cost of housing will dramatically decrease every year, the cost of everything could dramatically decrease at the rate of Moore's law. I speculate the reason it isn't decreasing is because of the inflationary monetary policies which prolong artificial scarcity by increasing the cost of living despite the fact that technology is decreasing the cost of labor. Policies like the minimum wage may actually exacerbate dead weight loss and also contribute to the prolonging of artificial scarcity so the sooner we remove the minimum wage and replace it with basic income the better.

If you have the technology to eliminate poverty, build more homes which are cheaper and more energy efficient, 3d print nearly any physical object, why not do that and pass the dividend to the community of like minded people?


24  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Cryptostates - Doing for politics what cryptocurrencies have done for economics on: February 24, 2014, 12:31:48 AM
The cryptocurrency movement has been wildly successful so far despite challenging many established power structures that would presumably seek to destroy it. I won't speculate on why they have been unable or unwilling to do so but from all indications they will not in the near future. Yet the cryptocurrency movement is hardly the first that seeks to provide alternatives to powerful and established structures. From the Principality of Sealand to Forvik the "micronation" movement has sought similarly to provide alternatives to existing state entities. They have almost universally failed, with some being raided by the existing authorities and most being completely ignored except for by hobbyists. Why the disparity between these two similar movements? Basic speculation suggests that it is because micronations have failed to adopt the most useful traits of cryptocurrencies. Below four of the most important features of cryptocurrencies that alternative states such as micronations should seek to emulate but have not are highlighted:

1. Additional value, particularly via the application of cryptography

This is the most critical feature that existing micronations entirely lack. Cryptocurrency systems like Bitcoin add plenty of value to the concept of a currency, their most important feature being the assurance that they provide above and beyond traditional currencies. With cryptocurrency a holder can be assured that pure mathematics and cryptography will be used to protect their currency, to prevent its seizure or transfer without their consent, and to prevent the arbitrary creation of additional units of currency. Separate from the later speculation and interest due to the possibility of material gain, it was this added ideological value, the inherent integrity of cryptocurrencies, that fueled the movement in its earliest stages and continues to provide it legitimacy today.

Micronations meanwhile provide no such additional value. Even those that have managed to transcend the digital world and "claim" a small amount of territory more resemble vanity projects designed to glorify their creators or mere roleplays for their amusement. Furthermore they do not in any way explore the theoretical possibilities of government, with most clumsily aping the representative democracy systems of existing governments or being simple autocracies. They are all style and no substance.

Yet this does not have to be the case. Cryptography can provide as much additional value to the concept of governance as it has to currency. When a voter today goes to the polls in any country, they have no guarantee of the accuracy of the results other than their government's assurance. Cryptographic voting systems can correct this. Cryptographically-enforced identities, using required cryptocurrency payments, webs of trust, or required proofs of work, could help reduce vote fraud. Alternative states allow individuals to explore the possibilities of alternative government systems such as futarchy (government via prediction markets) and liquid democracy, much like cryptocurrency allowed individuals to explore alternative forms of currency such as deflationary and demurraged currencies that were not like to be considered by the dominant authorities. Just as cryptocurrency has provided a solution for many to the corruption of traditional currencies, so too can these methods be used to provide a solution to the corruption of traditional states.

2. Decentralization

Many existing micronations that have made territorial claims have eventually had said territory raided or otherwise interfered with. Others exist solely as a centralized website, easily taken down and only saved by their own irrelevance. If robustness is sought, then alternative states must remain just as resilient against attack as cryptocurrencies are. Decentralization provides this. Protocols such as Bitmessage and Freenet show that the communications necessary for governance can be achieved in a decentralized manner.

3. Gradualism

The worst failure of micronations is that they have refused to accept the nature of their task. The creation of a state, in its most fully realized sense, is a profound political change. Like all political changes, to be successful they must be supported by a larger number of people before their realization, not after. Most micronations attempt to function exactly as their more established predecessors from day one, seeking immediate diplomatic recognition from all of the other nations of the world, demanding membership in international organizations, and maintaining a fiction of equality with established states at all times. Cryptocurrencies have not suffered from this mentality. The creator of the first cryptocurrency, Satoshi Nakamura, did not seek a currency code from the ISO, recognition from the Federal Reserve, or listing on existing currency exchanges. He recognized that the adoption of an alternative structure was a gradual process. Existing micronations have put the cart before the horse in this regard. Any successful alternative state must support a governmental structure that allows for its gradual expansion.

4. Freedom of choice

In the realm of cryptocurrency, a user is no more forced to use Bitcoin than they are Litecoin. This freedom of choice allows the best ideas to flourish. Alternative states can allow their citizens a similar choice, to perhaps renounce citizenship in one state and gain citizenship in another without changing out of their pajamas.

Alternative states that apply the above principles, particularly the application of cryptography, are aptly titled "cryptostates" by analogy to the word "cryptocurrency".

Why these should exist and would help cryptocurrencies

The implications that cryptostates could have for human choice and freedom are obvious. One likely already either agrees or does not that existing states warrant alternatives.

What particularly deserves to be highlighted is the complementary nature of cryptocurrencies and cryptostates. Cryptostates, being of a similar nature to cryptocurrencies, would naturally be more disposed to them than traditional states. To the degree that cryptostates gain influence in lieu of traditional states, the holders and users of cryptocurrencies could expect profit and benefit in proportion to the amount of regulation biased in favor of traditional currencies that is eliminated or evaded. In addition, the noted danger that traditional states pose to cryptocurrencies is reduced.

Cryptostates could provide some of the stability and structure that is lacking in the cryptocurrency ecosystem, helping to eliminate the "wild west" perception plaguing cryptocurrencies. A cryptostate adopting a futarchist model could also give cryptocurrencies suitable investment markets (prediction markets) that they have been lacking, simultaneously spurring investment and interest in cryptostates via the profit motivation while aiding cryptocurrencies. The two are a natural fit. This and more should provide the economic incentive and justification for cryptocurrency users to pursue cryptostates.

Transition

The primary intended purpose of existing states is to provide protection for their citizens, to resolve issues that disturb the peace or otherwise violate the rights of individuals. If individuals find that cryptostates provide a superior resolution to these issues than traditional states, then they will prefer to turn to them rather than traditional states. This could already serve to put a number of financial issues and other non-violent crimes under the jurisdictions of cryptostates, who from the perspective of traditional states would merely be perfectly legal private arbitration courts.

Some might think that cryptostates would be incapable of emerging into the physical world and remain a purely digital phenomenon. This is not necessarily true. Like all potentially superior alternatives, they could be adopted via a gradual process in all facets of life. The necessary component of a transition into enforcing issues that affect the physical world is a physical presence. Cryptostates are not necessarily incapable of providing this. Once they reach a certain degree of saturation, they may enlist average citizens to enforce their laws among their populace, providing some form of incentive or gameification to encourage this. Individual citizens of the same cryptostate that are close geographically may convene to form courts, watches, or whatever other service they deem necessary.

Eventually, via voluntary donations of capital, enforced taxation (which individuals would agree to by joining the cryptostate in the first place), lotteries, or other means of gaining revenue a cryptostate might be able to afford more professional law enforcement. Individuals, even non-citizens, may choose to turn to these alternative law enforcement structures if they find them exhibiting more integrity and less corruption and brutality than existing law enforcement agencies. The power of existing states will be reduced as less criminal issues are brought under their jurisdiction. These alternative law enforcement structures will serve to advertise the cryptostates, causing more individuals to join them and increase their revenue base, allowing them to employ even more people.

Existing law enforcement officers, either for ideological, personal (if citizens think more kindly of cryptostate officers than traditional ones), or financial (if cryptostates, which would likely deal in sound cryptocurrencies as opposed to less stable fiat currencies, can provide greater financial benefit than traditional states) reasons might prefer to join a cryptostate law enforcement agency rather than its traditional equivalent. With less manpower to enforce their edicts and less people voluntarily seeking their services, traditional states could slowly and gradually fade into irrelevance, via a purely decentralized process. From the perspective of existing states, most of these actions would be no more illegal than those of private security agencies. Cryptostates enable civil and bloodless revolutions.

Cryptostates could also act as a vehicle for the creation of seasteads, and may be similar or complementary to decentralized autonomous corporations

Punishment

To have laws in any reasonable sense, a state must be capable of enforcing sanctions against those who violate them. Before cryptostates transition into the physical world, they must also have some means of doing this. This is not impossible via purely digital means. Some possibilities are presented below:

1. A citizen may gain more democratic influence in a cryptostate's government, such as more votes, as time goes on, or if they perform valuable services for the cryptostate. These may be taken away as punishment for criminality.

2. A citizen may be required to put up a certain amount of money as collateral (that would be returned to them in the event of their exit) to become a citizen of a cryptostate. This amount could be taxed as a penalty.

3. A citizen could be expelled from a cryptostate, or added to a "blacklist". This blacklist could prevent other citizens of the cryptostate from transacting or even acknowledging the blacklisted individual indefinitely or for a period of time, with possible additional penalties applied to those who choose to do so.

Mechanisms such as futarchic prediction markets could provide more alternatives.

Starting a cryptostate

To start a proper cryptostate, the following would likely be required:

1. A means for citizens and government officials of the cryptostate to communicate in a decentralized manner

2. A means for deciding which proposals are to be adopted

Futarchy seems to be the most promising system in this regard. The "welfare metric" (as explained in Hanson's paper about futarchy) of the system could be the number of citizens in the cryptostate, the number of citizens multiplied by their respective satisfaction with the cryptostate, the same metric weighted by the amount of time a citizen has been in the cryptostate (encouraging citizens to hold on to their citizenship long-term and causing the value of a citizenship to increase over time, much like a deflationary asset), the amount of tax revenue received by the cryptostate, or any other reasonable metric that encourages prosperity and expansion (with changes possible via democratic processes). If prediction markets are as successful in determining information as existing results suggest, then a cryptostate adopting this approach would already have a major advantage over any traditional state.

3. A means for deciding legal cases

4. A means for applying sanctions to criminal citizens

How to do the above could be decided by prediction market.

5. A means for enabling citizenship

A citizenship in a cryptostate likely would merely be a cryptographic identity, much like ownership of currency in a cryptocurrency is merely a cryptographic key. In the future, cryptostates could possibly invest in offering more traditional citizenships based on biometric markers. The expense involved in acquiring a citizenship, in terms of time, effort, computational proof of work, money, or other resource expenditure required could be decided via the same process as everything else.

None of these requirements seem technologically prohibitive given the success of cryptocurrencies.

Cryptostates and anti-statism

Some who consider themselves anti-statists might be opposed to the idea of a cryptostate, believing that we don't need any states at all. It is true that there is nothing inherent in the idea of a cryptostate that prevents them from adopting policies as repressive as traditional states. It is also true that given the processes they would likely use and the communities that they would emerge from that they are far less likely to do so. A cryptostate may make it a basic, immutable rule that exit from it must be voluntarily available for all of its citizens, and refuse to associate with other cryptostates that do not. If this were the case, a cryptostatist world would more closely resemble a panarchy than a traditional hierarchy, and not be incompatible with anarchist theories. Cryptostates may provide the means for an orderly transition to an idealized voluntaryist world by adopting and then modifying existing institutions.

A cryptostate federation

To aid in the development of the cryptostate movement while not impeding freedom of choice for cryptostate citizens, cryptostates may choose to belong to a cryptostate federation. The point of such a federation would be solely to promote the cryptostate movement, and not the interfere in any individual cryptostate's affairs. It might do things such as provide for legal fees and support for those who ever run into legal problems with traditional states due to their involvement with cryptostates, support the jurisdiction of cryptostates above traditional states, and other such similar things. Cryptostates might also contract and create treaties in more traditional ways.

I hope by now I've convinced somebody out there that this is a worthwhile subject of speculation. I'm sure it's not a wholly original idea but I couldn't find any discussion on it. The above represents simply some of my preliminary thoughts upon the issue.  Any thoughts?

These are some good ideas and my thread compliments this one.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=483866.msg5326024#msg5326024

The problem with most states as we know them is that they aren't very good at certain things. For example providing social programs or basic income is something the traditional states suck at. A cryptostate or decentralized autonomous community would be better at this because there would not be a need to have a debate in congress, there would not be a need to overcome political barriers, it's just a matter of writing the code and then people who agree with having a basic income exist would use the cryptocurrency and join the community which enables it.

25  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Altcoin with a free minimum income for everyone on: February 24, 2014, 12:10:22 AM
The gist of crypto currency is to remain anonymous. Tying coins or accounts to people's name and addresses? I don't see this going far sorry.

You don't have the exclusive right to determine the gist of a technology.

That is like saying the Internet was invented for only for a specific purpose, just so that college students and hackers can have access to confidential information. You are saying that everyone else must conform to the wishes and needs of others. Cryptocurrency is about far more than just anonymity, and you're missing out on the truly disruptive aspects.

Once a technology is invented then it becomes a tool which anyone can make use of. The option will exist for people who want to form or join a community. To have a community you must have an identity and while you can be pseudo-anonymous you must prove  that you are in fact a human individual if you expect to be able to vote and have citizenship.

Anonymity and citizenship don't mesh well together. While you can have a virtual community you still need to register to vote. You still need a reputation which must be reviewed. For the purpose of basic income you must join the community and if the community is willing to give you the dividend anonymously that is their option but I doubt most communities will do that.

It's also human nature to form communities. So it is both an economic necessity and human nature that people join groups of like minded people.

If you want a completely anonymous cryptocurrency there will be plenty of coins for that. If you want a basic income dividend, join a decentralized autonomous community. If you're given citizenship then you will have dividend paying shares which will provide you a basic income for life provided that your citizenship isn't revoked.

And of course there will be some communities which will be more open than others and which will accept anybody. This model is better than charity because it does not ask anyone to make donations. It's better than taxing people to pay for it because no one has to lose anything for other people to gain something.

It works by giving everyone in the community a share in the capital assets the community holds. It's like a virtual sovereign wealth fund. As a member you get a stream of dividends to your addresses but you cannot join without being backround checked because if the community does not filter it could be over run by criminals, or just infiltrated and destroyed by black flag.




26  Economy / Economics / Re: Creating a guaranteed minimum income through crypto-coins on: February 23, 2014, 11:35:08 PM
Here is what I have to say on the subject and I said it in your other thread as well.

By the way biometrics is a start but it will not necessarily be enough.

Choose or be chosen. Every human being should have the option to choose to join a virtual community, or a virtual sovereign nation. The model to use would be micro nations where you must register to receive citizenship and then you can get the dividend. This should include biometrics, a background check, and whatever else the virtual community decides is necessary before accepting an application for virtual citizenship.

Communities should do the choosing. The background check is to make sure you are an honest person and if you pass the checks you can join the community. This would keep scammers and bad actors out of certain communities as some more exclusive communities will not want to support them. It would also allow a community to accept or reject people according to principles.

A citizen of a virtual community would have voting rights and there would be a distributed Constitution of some sort which everyone in the community has found some way to agree upon. This way you would be able to join a community of like minded people and receive your basic income dividend from your community, your micro nation, your virtual sovereign entity. No one would force their values on you because you'd join the community of people who share your values.

I'm working on a white paper that is still a work in progress. You can read it here http://darkai.org/?page_id=41
Give it the peer review.
27  Economy / Economics / Technologically enhanced basic income proposal on: February 23, 2014, 11:27:53 PM
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Abstract

The ideas presented in this paper developed in response to help resolve some of the problems which will result from technological unemployment. We believe that as machines become more intelligent and work currently done by human beings become automated there will be a sharp increase in the unemployment rate as humans are laid off to be replaced by intelligent machines. We believe that intelligent machines can be leveraged to provide a basic dividend to a decentralized pseudo-anonymous group of owners as a means of providing an axillary safety-net which cannot be shut down by any government or corporation.

One of the central themes is that through freedom of association anyone can join a community. Some communities will be more exclusive than others. Take this idea further and you have virtual private citizens, virtual sovereign communities, virtual sovereign nations, micro nations, you get the idea.

Choose or be chosen. Anyone can choose to join a community and the process would be similar to applying for citizenship. You would have to reveal your identity, but you would receive voting rights. There would be a distributed Constitution of some sort which everyone in the community agrees upon. You would join the community of like minded individuals and select your community in some cases and in other cases if it's a community you cannot join then they would select you. The process would involve a background check to make sure that bad actors are excluded.

My white paper is

http://hplusmagazine.com/2014/04/02/technologically-enhanced-basic-income-as-a-solution-to-technological-unemployment/
http://darkai.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Resilience-Project-Whitepaper-Draft-3.pdf

My blog
http://darkai.org/?page_id=41

It's a work in progress and is not anywhere near complete. Please give it a peer review and discuss it in this thread.



28  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Altcoin with a free minimum income for everyone on: February 23, 2014, 11:15:11 PM
Hi,

I am very interested in your ideas, I wrote something related, Reset-coin:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=427306.0

the approach is different, but the aim in the same, how to guarantee a mínimum wealth to every human being and equal starting conditions to everybody. And even how to correct too big differences between rich and poor in the future. The idea of a reset function, could look too radical, but it is just an starting point of discussion.

Like you said, the key point is some kind of "proof-of-human-work", I have some ideas about that i hope to write on a next Update on Reset-coin post.

Hope to know you feed-back.

Choose or be chosen. Every human being should have the option to choose to join a virtual community, or a virtual sovereign nation. The model to use would be micro nations where you must register to receive citizenship and then you can get the dividend.

Another model to use are communities which do the choosing. In that case they would background check you to make sure you are an honest person and if you pass the checks you can join the community. This would keep scammers and bad actors out of certain communities as some more exclusive communities will not want to support them.

A citizen of a virtual community would have voting rights and there would be a distributed Constitution of some sort which everyone in the community has found some way to agree upon. This way you would be able to join a community of like minded people and receive your basic income dividend from your community, your micro nation, your virtual sovereign entity. No one would force their values on you because you'd join the community of people who share your values.



29  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Altcoin with a free minimum income for everyone on: February 23, 2014, 11:01:21 PM

Usually ideas of guaranteed income require a government to tax some to pay all. 

Does anyone else think it might be interesting to design a crypto-coin technology that implements a world-wide guaranteed income without reliance on government? 

The coin technology could allow each network participant to generate a number of coins weekly.   Every coin would be time-stamped, and exponentially decay in value (relative to a freshly created coin) at 2% weekly = ~2/3rds per year.  Coins would never fall to zero value, but the total value of coins in existence, per capita, should converge to equal the number of fresh coins created by each participant in one year.   This should discourage long term accumulation, encourage a high money velocity, and avoid significant long term inflation or deflation.   

Anyone who wishes to join the network to generate a stream of coins might have to accept a contractual obligation to willingly accept the coin in payment for any goods or services they wish to sell.  This would help build early acceptance of the coin, by requiring that users be as committed to accepting coin payments as they are to spending free coins.  This obligation represents each creator of coins backing their new coins by accepting an obligation - analogous to the way government fiat currency is often created by incurring an equal debt.


FRAUD: Everyone's first or second objection to this will be "what keeps me from creating coins under multiple fake identities, or faster than the approved rate"? 

Some ideas: 

- Networks of trust, where some vouch for others (and accept some responsibility for fraud by those others), creating peer pressure and fear that fraud will lead to withdrawal of vouching and thereby exclusion from the network of trust and the right to mint new coins.  So even if you don't care what your friends think of you, you might still care about getting caught and losing the stream of free money.

- First accounts - those into which coins are created - could be tied to the participant's name and address and maybe a photograph, making it easier to detect double dipping.  (Coins could be moved out of these to anonymous accounts via transactions.)  Don't like having that information public?  Don't join the coin creation network (or Facebook).

- For every coin created, a fractional of a coin might be created in a special account, to pay bounties to anyone catching someone breaking their coin network contract.  But how to verify such cases and translate that into payments?   Without getting government courts involved, if possible?

Discuss!


Have a look at my white paper on the subject http://darkai.org/?page_id=41
http://darkai.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Resilience-Project-Whitepaper-Draft-3.pdf

If you like what you see lets make a new thread to discuss and peer review it.
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