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Buy that fucking wall and DRK is going 165> tonight! 
That would be cool. Is it yours? |
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Luckily, since DRK just keeps failing to deliver, we can head over to...
Actually, I think a CN coin might have a shot, the frontrunner being XMR, but these other coins? Give me a break.
DRK never failed to deliver. It is delivering every single day. The dev is well known and a brilliant coder. The actual release of the full features has NOT HAPPENED YET, and yes it was postponed a few day because Evan is a responsible coder. Testnet is going on like crazy and working wonders. Every single day it gets better and better. Every single day other brilliant minds chip in with their time and effort. This is one monumental coin in the making. Never have I seen such a solid group behind the scenes, working and troubleshooting for free, with passion and ardour, being part of a project that will be history in the making. From core code, to p2pool, NOMP and MPOS, and Masternode, this is like on huge team effort. Only if you take the time to understand the fundamentals of cryptos would you understand why this is happening. Except, of course, if you read charts. Then, yes, you're absolutely right. Can't tell if serious... Actually I'm not sure what you're trying to tell me.  Do I need to put /s tags on my posts? DRK keeps failing to deliver? That is such a tired old cheap shot man.... now you mock play dumb? For a troll, that's really weak.. I'm surprised you even get any bites. People who speculate about price going down and post charts get lumped in with this sort. That's sad too. |
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My logic on the instamine issue: Were a bunch of coins mined at first very quickly? Yes. Do we really know for sure they were well distributed? No, although there is some evidence that suggests that. Here's why it doesn't really matter to me: Anyone sitting on a big stash who hasn't dumped at this point is likely going to be holding out for a much higher price (or plans on running masternodes for years to come lol). Anyone not holding out would have surely dumped by now.... the longer time goes on, the more this becomes true. I don't know how much lower this will go, but it will bottom out (all dumpers done dumped), and I think it's very unlikely that any early large holders will dump much below the previous ATH, if at all, as long as this coin stays alive and maintains good prospects for the future. It's a non-issue as far as I can see... though I am new to DRK, cryptos, and financial markets, and my logic is frequently flawed  +1. That's what I was saying. I like to know the facts but the moment you mention the "i" word you are a FUDster motherfuckin troll in this thread  For a coin that gets so much attention and recognition this thread is such a junk Nobody replied to anything I mentioned. Except for the instamine quick distribution issue. Just bunch of kids losing temper over their investment. Nothing to see here unfortunately. Agreed. Also if you mention you think the price might go down or post a chart, then you're in the same camp. Funny how those in here who scream "FUDSTERS!" the loudest come off as just as biased and manipulative in that they appear to be trying to get people to "support their investment" by believing in DRK like it's the gospel, hallelujah brother!. They clearly favor their agenda as much as the FUDDERS they despise, or just have very limited ability to think objectively. Don't pick on the thread though, this whole forum is infested with people with the maturity level of grade-school bullies with no appreciation of humility whatsoever. |
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Who cares about INSTAmining ?
Who stopped ANYONE from instamine DRK ?
Some retards seem to mix up instamining and premining..
Take the FUD BS somewhere else.
Exactly I couldn't give a shit if the first in were the first served. I hope they got a lot since they took a chance, especially the devs. And if you complain because it was linux only at the start, quit bitching and download ubuntu, its free and not hard. I'm pretty sure no one takes the "instamine" fud as a genuine concern. My logic on the instamine issue: Were a bunch of coins mined at first very quickly? Yes. Do we really know for sure they were well distributed? No, although there is some evidence that suggests that. Here's why it doesn't really matter to me: Anyone sitting on a big stash who hasn't dumped at this point is likely going to be holding out for a much higher price (or plans on running masternodes for years to come lol). Anyone not holding out would have surely dumped by now.... the longer time goes on, the more this becomes true. I don't know how much lower this will go, but it will bottom out (all dumpers done dumped), and I think it's very unlikely that any early large holders will dump much below the previous ATH, if at all, as long as this coin stays alive and maintains good prospects for the future. It's a non-issue as far as I can see... though I am new to DRK, cryptos, and financial markets, and my logic is frequently flawed |
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Just watch this thread and you will get a pretty good idea of how people try to manipulate others by discussing their trades openly, only it doesn't seem to help much Yep, anyone who has any kind of opinion on what the price will do is just trying to be manipulative. It's a fact. |
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Foolio , chill i dunno why you gettin yoour panties in a twist.
mikemike dumped first then came here and began bubble bulll to try and convince people to copy him, he was hoping they would listen then he would buy back there coins when cheaper and now he knows he failed and probly panick buying back(just like you).
Now as for you foolio analysis,(change f to K,what name do u get??) you came on here after mike was put on most ignore lists here, you are either mike or one of his groupies, you know you will have less drk than last week because drk is going up now, and your name foolio is only 1 week old, created in cryptsy chat by trolls ;-)
Yep, it's all true. My name is Mike and I like to twist my panties. You got me Sherlock. I mean, I might as well admit it as it's clear that your deductive reasoning abilities are near the genius level. |
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forgot to mention , mikemike , the day you first posted your drk going down chart analysis (page 1774 here june 5th) was the same time drk was dumped on exchanges from 170k to 150k roughly. (250btc worth dumped on mint the same time u posted here) so mike i know u dumped drk and then pointed to charts and began tryin to tell people here to look at bitcoin bubble in the hope that you could buy back cheaper. the number of coins dumped also tells me that you are not working alone. i also notice there is over 100btc buys at 150k im guessin thats u tryin to get bak in ;-) because you realised that the weekend has almost past and people arent dumpin( drk holders are clever, most weak hands have gone) while you tryin to analize charts, you are being analyzed by others A lot of assumptions there. And I'm not sure I really follow your logic. He came in here and said that the price was going to plummet over some days, (he actually said weeks) and that he wanted to buy back in later cheaper at that time. Now you're accusing him of trying to do exactly what he said he wanted to do? If he dumped then, he obviously believed the price was going down as he claimed he thought it would. Is that him trying to buy back in?... who the hell knows? I don't see any evidence to support that idea, but so what if it is... maybe he changed his mind now. It doesn't make any sense that he came in here warned at the same time as dumping, if he thought that he had to try and scare people into dumping the price that low, and that he was relying on that in order to get mass coin back cheaper. That just seems asininely stupid to me. People with big money in this game tend to think for themselves, and this forum has mostly believers in this project. There is no way he's that dumb to try something that stupid. I just can't see it. A forum warning is just not going to move the price by that kind of magnitude, or in a way that would allow him to buy so many coins back cheap. Not even I'm that dumb, and I'm pretty sure Mike is orders of magnitude more aware of market dynamics than I am. Only a very small time operator could hope to adjust the price by any meaningful amount simply by giving a warning like that. I think you're really stretching to try and see something here buddy. I suspected he might have deceptive motives because he was getting ready to make a buy and wanted more people to be putting sells in so he could get them cheaper... that makes more sense to me than what you are accusing him of, and isn't it kind of irresponsible to make accusations like this based on nothing but blatant assumptions? I think benefit of the doubt and innocent until proven guilty applies. I take his warning in good faith until I have a good reason to do otherwise. Of course, now you'll probably accuse me of being in some kind of conspiracy with his collective of blackhat ninja traders. I'm really going to be laughing if he turns out to be right, and I hope he is actually simply because it would be more profitable that way. |
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And watch out for 2 other traders who will do nothing but post hand-in-dick formations and other gibberish only to find out they are being analyzed here and dangerously close to being added to the DRK feg list from a few pages ago.
I actually appreciate those hand in dick posts quite a bit more than the arrogant prick ones. There... hopefully I have now earned a place in your precious fucking list if I hadn't already, I would actually consider it an honor if you would ad me, thanks |
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we go north?
Doubt it just yet. I think the dip we had is people heard about a pump somewhere else... Could that be what ends up fulfilling the bubble chart prediction? Speculators moving out "temporarily" as they see more action somewhere else? I don't really care one way or the other, but I'm very curious to see what happens at this point as I'm trying to gain an understanding of how crypto markets work. I did make some TA and posted in the Speculation thread over at Darkcointalk, Check it out https://darkcointalk.org/threads/07-june-ta-wedge-pattern.1142/Come over and comment   [/quote] I'll register over there eventually I like your analysis, it goes with what my gut says is going to happen more or less. |
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we go north?
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Doubt it just yet. I think the dip we had is people heard about a pump somewhere else... Could that be what ends up fulfilling the bubble chart prediction? Speculators moving out "temporarily" as they see more action somewhere else? I don't really care one way or the other, but I'm very curious to see what happens at this point as I'm trying to gain an understanding of how crypto markets work.
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Here are a couple of charts, one is the bitcoin chart, the other is darkcoin.
You have to be careful comparing these charts because, aside from the differences in fundamentals between the coins, the bitcoin chart is priced in dollars (a stable currency that traders do not generally tend to look beyond - ie "if I sell my Bitcoins here how many Euros will I get for my dollars today compared with yesterday") and the darkcoin chart is priced in Bitcoins (a volatile currency the dollar value of which traders check multiple times per day). You are too naive. The charts wont simply the same as there many differences, such as time, stakeholders, foundations, environment, policies, etc. Yes, I'm aware of that, but thanks for pointing it out Sure there are many differences between bitcoin and DRK, but the psychology of market participants is basically the same (speculation driven for the most part). I certainly have no great confidence in predicting what will happen. My gut disagrees with the analysis from the chart, it says the market is going to go sideways and gradually rise up to the next rally as long as the releases and fixes come along on schedule.... that we are "done going down". In fact I'm tempted to buy back because it seems the price could go back over .02 in a heartbeat at any moment. Some far more experienced persons than myself are suggesting that the standard "stock bubble chart" applies at this moment to DRK. I guess we'll see here over the next few days. |
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There you go right there....a 2 DRK sell at 0.01782 followed immediatelly by a 2.1 DRK buy at 0.01804.
That's one trader wanting the price to go down followed by another wanting it to go up, each of them pushing the price to respective sides of the spread gap for as little money as poss.
Neither is prepared to put any value into their trade.
This is changed days from when people were throwing 10's of Bitcoins onto the asks just to grab anything they could get. Not only that, we are at the tail end of a 4 hour chart correction which would normally be very bullish. I would normally buy in at that point, but the order book is about as lively as a dead sheep right now so I'm not prepared to convert realised BTC for unrealised and neither, buy the looks of it are many others.
I thought the order book was picking up a bit earlier, but I guess it was just that 1000 order you mentioned, seems to be gone now. Back to waiting... thanks again for your perspectives. I hadn't considered manipulation via small orders just to scare up some buyers. It makes sense. So what I'm getting is I should wait for more serious volume and larger orders before I start calling it a reversal, and to ignore these movements with hardly anything to them. |
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sry just makes no sense
you cant really compare BTC/USD with DKR/BTC it does not make any kind of sense.. also 1200usd ATH compared with 15usd ATH is also silly to compare against each other Thanks for the input. It seems to be a classic chart pattern, using the bitcoin chart was an example I'm sure I could find a lot more. I think we are done going down Good luck with that one. If I thought that going up on 0.53804 DRK and 2.02 DRK and 0.1611 DRK placed as on order book bids as opposed to 2000 DRK and 5000 DRK and 7000 DRK coming from off order book (which is what happened when we were back at 0.005) counts as "done going down" then I'd be buying back in as well. Trying to understand... are you saying there is not enough volume pushing the price up at the moment for it to be considered an indication of a real reversal back up? I guess I was thinking the price could rise even with low buyer volume if the sellers are holding out. By done going down... I meant done with this downtrend, and that a floor will be defined around the level we are now. I'm still holding off for a more clear indication of what will happen before I buy back. Anyway, thanks for the feedback. I need all the luck I can get as you can see lol. |
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Buy orders really strong on mp and the downtrend seems to have reversed. If it keeps up like this I'll buy back in soon. Still, I thought more about Mikes warning... Here are a couple of charts, one is the bitcoin chart, the other is darkcoin. I can see how it's reasonable to think that the darkcoin chart will end up following a pattern similar to bitcoin as I have marked. According to the pattern we should test .01 again, maybe a couple of times like Mike said. Just like bitcoin tested 400 several times before it started its most recent climb. I still doubt it though. I think we are done going down. But the analysis is reasonable in my opinion, and I can't say I'll be too surprised if it ends up like this. I've marked the lines on them... the bitcoin chart has the line at $400 and the DRK chart has the line at .01   |
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Is there any logic behind the consistent bleed out on the price? The last ones I can understand due to masternode issues and the 5x growth > 40% retractions, this one I don't understand yet.
My logic is that what drove the price so high isn't people wanting DRK because they understand it or because it's so awesome... who want to hold for the long term. That's a smaller part of it. But a larger part is speculators who want to get in, make a profit and get out. There are a lot more of these people at this stage in the DRK market I reckon. The number of actual investors or believers is much smaller. They get in and they are done, they just sit there and hold. But there is not enough of them at this point holding enough DRK to keep the price up. Speculators buy a lot of coins and just dump them back. True demand for the coin is not represented by the high price rises in an initial bubble. So you have a bunch of people who only hold as long as they think the price will go up, or go back up. Because they didn't buy the coin because of fundamentals or anything, they sell as soon as they lose confidence in the market (like me!). They don't need bad news or lack of development... all that has to happen for them to want to sell is the price looks to become unfavorable, and/or volume drops away... that's it. As the market goes up it picks up these buyers, then when it comes back down they start selling (or right before it starts coming down). So the price declines while the market shakes out these sellers who are either taking profit or cutting losses depending, but eventually they sell out and only the holders remain... then the price can start climbing again. I think the fact that the process of retracement down to .015 took as long as it did is a good sign, I take that the sellers are not super eager, falling over themselves to let go of coins cheap they are pushing the price down only very slowly. They don't have a lot of strength now, hence the long drawn out decline, instead of a drop. No one is going no want to sell much less than .015, and if anyone does, there will probably be buyers quickly snatching it up. I think we're getting there (to a leveling out, and then into an uptrend eventually) . I can't see it going way down from here unless some of those big holders start dumping, which is unlikely as if they haven't dumped now, they probably will not choose this moment to start. A few large sells may dip us kind of low .014? .013 maybe I don't know. I don't think it will stay that low though. I guess what I'm saying is this seems just like typical market dynamics that you might see no matter the fundamentals of a coin. The fundamentals I think will more solidly support increased value when (and if) DRK gets better established and can be clearly seen as the leader in anon tech. You can't expect it not to crash from the inevitable first bubble. In fact if there weren't the large incentive in the masternode system to hold this coin, I would almost certainly agree with Mike that we would go way back down... those MN holders have to be significant as far as keeping a lot of coins off the market. There. My unprofessional, layman's theory that's probably not correct at all. I concur with much of this, however I think most of this happened on the previous fall from 0.025 to 0.01. I think this is backed up by the charts, if you look over the last few days it was mainly whales with large buy/sells and little movement apart from that. So I believe that most of these short term holders sold out in the previous downtrend and we are back to a longer term inverstor majority. The announcement that the forking problem has been fixed and the master-nodes now recieving 20% have also removed any downward price pressure. Now I don't expect it to increase significantly till after the fork, but there is no longer any uncertainty or short term holders to drive the price down by a significant amount. Totally agree that the process was mostly completed on the first fall to .01. This second time down from the high, we didn't come down as fast or as far. The fact the the price bounced so hard off that low and slower descent makes me think it won't get there again. The people who bought from .01 to .018 on that bounce are for sure much stronger hands than what sold really low. I'm thinking no massacre  Oh well. Price seems to be decisively breaking out of the downward pattern at the moment. I'll be surprised if it gets too far tonight though. I'm guessing it will break out of the downward pattern for good though and move more sideways for a while. If the price does shoot way up tonight, then I'll be extra suspicious about the fairly dire warnings of impending carnage we got earlier. Some big buys happened since then, hmmm....... |
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Is there any logic behind the consistent bleed out on the price? The last ones I can understand due to masternode issues and the 5x growth > 40% retractions, this one I don't understand yet.
My logic is that what drove the price so high isn't people wanting DRK because they understand it or because it's so awesome... who want to hold for the long term. That's a smaller part of it. But a larger part is speculators who want to get in, make a profit and get out. There are a lot more of these people at this stage in the DRK market I reckon. The number of actual investors or believers is much smaller. They get in and they are done, they just sit there and hold. But there is not enough of them at this point holding enough DRK to keep the price up. Speculators buy a lot of coins and just dump them back. True demand for the coin is not represented by the high price rises in an initial bubble. So you have a bunch of people who only hold as long as they think the price will go up, or go back up. Because they didn't buy the coin because of fundamentals or anything, they sell as soon as they lose confidence in the market (like me!). They don't need bad news or lack of development... all that has to happen for them to want to sell is the price looks to become unfavorable, and/or volume drops away... that's it. As the market goes up it picks up these buyers, then when it comes back down they start selling (or right before it starts coming down). So the price declines while the market shakes out these sellers who are either taking profit or cutting losses depending, but eventually they sell out and only the holders remain... then the price can start climbing again. I think the fact that the process of retracement down to .015 took as long as it did is a good sign, I take that the sellers are not super eager, falling over themselves to let go of coins cheap they are pushing the price down only very slowly. They don't have a lot of strength now, hence the long drawn out decline, instead of a drop. No one is going no want to sell much less than .015, and if anyone does, there will probably be buyers quickly snatching it up. I think we're getting there (to a leveling out, and then into an uptrend eventually) . I can't see it going way down from here unless some of those big holders start dumping, which is unlikely as if they haven't dumped now, they probably will not choose this moment to start. A few large sells may dip us kind of low .014? .013 maybe I don't know. I don't think it will stay that low though. I guess what I'm saying is this seems just like typical market dynamics that you might see no matter the fundamentals of a coin. The fundamentals I think will more solidly support increased value when (and if) DRK gets better established and can be clearly seen as the leader in anon tech. You can't expect it not to crash from the inevitable first bubble. In fact if there weren't the large incentive in the masternode system to hold this coin, I would almost certainly agree with Mike that we would go way back down... those MN holders have to be significant as far as keeping a lot of coins off the market. There. My unprofessional, layman's theory that's probably not correct at all. |
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Door 1 So I have this newbie account that says with much conviction that I know a scam when it see it.
Door 2 So I look up some facts and try to figure out why these rich fuckers keep buying tens of thousands of these darkcoin things.... All these fucking rich guys are soooo stupid. They just keep making money and have no sense what-so-fucking-ever.
edit I like Door Nr. 2. Follow the rich guys...they already prove they know how to get rich. No need to die trying - Did Warren Buffett say that: Get rich, and don't die trying?
Please do feel free to bump on each troll
I think I name this - counter FUD measures, by the DRK Black-ops team It's a very positive evidence to be sure. Still no guarantee that price won't go down and stay down for a long time. Though I would agree its unlikely to do that. The question is how unlikely, honestly I'm not experienced enough with these things to know, and I'm not very good at taking other people's word. Your assumption is that these big holders must be smart and making the best decisions. I can't make that assumption necessarily. I don't know anything about them, or what they might do, other than it seems they do expect DRK to rise, again I agree it is a very good sign. Rich guys didn't necessarily get rich because they are savvy with cryptos or investments. Maybe they took some risks and got lucky? I'm not rich... is it showing? I think there is a good chance I will get back in at .014 to .015. I kind of doubt it will level out lower than that, but I can always hope Mike is right and we see .01 or less. On the other hand if the whales strike out of nowhere (as they are sometimes prone, I'll be paying attention and jump right back in. I like to think everyone gives genuine advice, but a part of me still has to wonder when I hear people saying massacre and giving "warnings" such as Mike, that they secretly aren't getting ready to go on a big buying spree. I guess you just never know! I know if the whales started buying now, the price would lunge way past where it is now almost instantly.... still a "risk" I'm willing to take.... I would just watch patiently for the first good dip and buy back. I doubt that will happen for some reason... just a hunch, but I think that they are going to let this thing coast or deflate or just let it be and see what it does for a little bit and that the next rally will be gradual like when DRK rose the first time, only we will be starting from a much higher floor. I'm not really interested in holding DRK long-term. I'm only interested in holding it during rally times, and interested in being out of it while its on the descent or not doing much. For me this is a time of uncertainty and waiting to see what happens. |
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Kids go to sleep .. the adults are playing now.
Seriously you dont want to see this massaker... i take care of it .
Dont worry.
*Y*
I sold my last DRKs around .0179... (sold half off earlier, around 0.2... I missed the high, thought the bitfinex deal would take us higher)... but now I decided I better play it safe in case Mike's right and I'm wrong. I sold because the likelihood of down seemed way more than up to me at the moment. I doubled down on the last crash, I wonder how many more I can get this time. Seriously this is opportunity as far as I'm concerned. Let the massacre begin, I'll help with cleanup as much as I can! Buy again if we reached your sell hight again dont play arround with your Darkcoins by panic pls . @mike3's "analyse": I know what he is meaning , i know what he is trying to see in the charts... BUT CHART ANALYSE WORKS ONLY FOR REAL WORLD MARKETS those Markets are way more developed , controlled and manipulated. OUR Market is primitive like shit , here we are playing with other rules. Rules which everyday Scammer use to trick people into by spreading fear and hope with the good old "the cheese infront of your nose" tactic. SO DIVERSIFIE YOUR RISK IF YOUR ARE AFRAID!-> DONT SELL DRK JUST FOR GETTING SOME MORE FRUTHER BELOW! by doing that you apply your self more risk on your investment. SO AGAIN if you dont know how play the adult game JUST HOLD (its mathematicly less risk at ANY time with undervalued asset). or i will come to your house, put your Pants down, clap your butt until its shinny Red like those Candlesticks on my Monitor. *L* Y* Hmm, I already am up 100% profit from trading in DRK so far (made by accumulating down to the .01 level). I'm happy I'm out with that much profit now. I don't feel at risk. Don't worry I'll probably be able to buy it back cheaper, I usually do... if not I'll buy less back later for more expensive, and still make profit on it. Guess I'm just not quite "there" yet with my confidence level in anything besides BTC. The last thing I want is to hold, then the price goes down and never recovers past 0.1...(or not for 6 months lol) Then what? That is the risk I don't want to take. Risking less profit because I didn't hold, I'm not as concerned about that. When I'm uncertain and in profit, I sell. I haven't always done this, but it's what I do now. Some of you seem pretty dang sure of yourselves that the price will surely recover if it crashes. I think it will but I'm not willing to stake money or even profits on it just now. I cashed out safely, now I'll buy back in later at a point where I have more confidence that the price is rising. I guess it comes down to whether you have faith long term... I do have hope, no faith though. |
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Do your job guys. Make sure everyone knows that Btc addresses have already been mapped to social security numbers.
Sure my deposit address from an exchange that I've sent documentation to. But if I generate a brand new address right now, in a secure manner offline, and I pass that to someone in private, perhaps even through an anonymous channel, then they send money to that address... how can that then be mapped to my SSN by the IRS? No way. With a bit of care and effort you can still achieve a great deal of privacy even just with bitcoin. Of course you also have to be careful with how you spend it, etc.. Obviously if I generate an address, there has to be a certain type and level of activity associated with it before they can tie it to anything. Exactly what type of activity would allow them to make the association? That probably depends on how thoroughly they are looking at you. If the entire force of the NSA spy network were focused on you, I don't think you could reasonably expect to hide anything anywhere, including a bitcoin address you wanted to use, or a darkcoin address for that matter. And, you can never be 100% certain of privacy at any time or place. How many addresses in use will the likes of the IRS be able to tie? I'm guessing it's around the same number of people who don't take the necessary care to achieve privacy for themselves (such as choosing to use DRK). The tools are available for a great deal of privacy for those who choose to use them. I believe privacy should be seen as a personal responsibility, not the job of a coin or software... they are merely tools that must be used properly in order to be effective. There is no such thing as 100% privacy or NSA proof etc. It's like security: you secure something with as many layers of security as is adequate to protect whatever it is you are protecting. Privacy/anonymity is the same... there are only layers and degrees you may apply as necessary, not absolutes. I say this because of the criticism I hear about whether DRK provides perfect anonymity or not. No technology can ever be expected to 100%. The point is whether a tool provides a valuable layer, not whether it's foolproof. Kind of like criticizing locks for doors because they can be cut or picked. Now perhaps the IRS will make pointless rules that reflect their inability to grasp the technology and its implications, which many of us will ignore, but even so, their desire to do this definitely underscores the need to be able to transact privately, and it would be nice to be able to do so without having to be James Bond. (Go DRK!) |
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Kids go to sleep .. the adults are playing now.
Seriously you dont want to see this massaker... i take care of it .
Dont worry.
*Y*
I sold my last DRKs around .0179... (sold half off earlier, around 0.2... I missed the high, thought the bitfinex deal would take us higher)... but now I decided I better play it safe in case Mike's right and I'm wrong. I sold because the likelihood of down seemed way more than up to me at the moment. I doubled down on the last crash, I wonder how many more I can get this time. Seriously this is opportunity as far as I'm concerned. Let the massacre begin, I'll help with cleanup as much as I can! |
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