LOL, I'm sure you'd follow your own line of reasoning if you were the one that got screwed for hundreds of thousands of dollars.  It's pretty obvious from the thread that Betcoin/Betsoft tried to keep him quiet by giving him part of his winnings but not the entire thing.  It's pretty obvious he took the deal because it was either that or 0.  It's pretty obvious that he just wanted Betcoin to come out and publicly say that they weren't gonna let this sort of stuff happen again to one of their players.  It's pretty obvious that Betcoint deleted his posts and just tried to sweep everything under the rug.  Duh.

LOL at suing them.  Yup, just file an action in an US court, it's that easy.  Wait no...you have to serve them in whatever random island they operate out of, hire firms with an expertise in HK law (because for some odd reason Betcoin has that as their choice of law, despite online gambling being outright illegal in HK), and fund a lengthly lawsuit.  Yea, that seems very doable. 

Maybe next time, shill more tactfully or think before typing.

LOL, the shadiness of this site never ceases to amaze me:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showpost.php?p=50470435&postcount=668

Received temporary banhammer after typing 'bump' to a forum post about the slot scandal.  It makes me feel safe knowing that they have SWAT-like response times to people bumping posts to a 6-figure scam.  If I ever murder someone, my first call will be to a Betcoin staff member.

They are too broke to run them anymore, they can't afford any promos atm.

YES! YES YES!!!!! PLEEEEEEEEASE MAKE THIS HAPPEN!

site's too broke to do that.  They will need to start a kickstarter for next month's rent money soon enough.

This is a hilarious thread.

ITT, we find gems such as:

1) "NOOOO, it was the casino part of our website that scammed players, so you can still trust the poker part"
2) "WHY DO YOU GUYS REPEATEDLY KEEP POINTING OUT THAT THE SITE I AM SPAMMING IN AN EFFORT TO PUT MONEY IN MY POCKETS IS ALWAYS STEALING FROM THE PLAYERS?? c'mon be more respectful of my hustle"
3) "Don't troll us because we're a dishonest operation, you have to have standards even if we have none"
4) "What?? I'm just an affiliate that promotes and convinces players to sign up to a site that offers only me the ability to give the best rakeback deals to players...it's not like I'm responsible for what happens to those players afterwards.  C'mon, I barely have any affiliation with the site."

Please carry on. 

Rake isn't the problem at SwC.  There are some costs with running a poker site: high-quality hosting, presumably some staff, churning out some funds to cover the GTDs, etc.  I've made my point about how I believe offering straight rakeback promotions to new players is more attractive than having to earn krill to get rakeback, but I am probably still in the minority on that issue.  (SwC does offer 50% RB for 3-handed or less play in 6max+ ring tables.)

The poker economy isn't really as robust as it was a few years ago, so 2006-level player base can't really be realistically expected from any US-facing site.
I don't like SwC because the management sucks: they don't deliver on any promises, they have poor communication, they don't fix the hand-history issue, and they are sinking financially.  It just seems like they're either apathetic or incompetent.  I'm not sure where you should play poker: Don't play on Betcoin would be my only advice.  You can find some sites with traffic, you can also find some sites with good service.  You probably can't find a site that has both.  My alternative to SwC is nitrogensports.eu poker, which has its own host of issues, but at least the management isn't busto and they respond quickly to players.

I don't think he can log on lol because they don't offer a client that he can use.  The old Mavens software seemed fine to me; it's been some time now, but I don't really recall ever having any issues with it.  The new software is okay for me except for that one, massive, unforgivable bug of not producing any meaningful hand histories (that hasn't been fixed in over a year now lol).  On a related note, I do think universal accessibility is a major issue--tbf, it is an issue that a lot of other sites still don't address.  It's just a bummer because the old Seals was pretty universally accessible so we had gotten used to being able to play from a variety of platforms.  Again, not an issue unique to SwC but c'mon, this isn't 1999 anymore and so many of us use stuff other than Windows.  I hear ya on the availability of Virtualbox/VMware/w.e but those are honestly pretty resource-intensive and a bitch to run.  Again, this isn't a problem afflicting only SwC--a lot of poker sites just seem completely oblivious to non-Windows clients.  The main reason we're bitching about it with SwC is because the new management sort of promised us repeatedly more than a year ago that these were coming, and it doesn't seem like they've made even the slightest progress on that front.

Tbh, I would strongly consider the merits of going back to the Mavens software (not sure if the new management has any ownership or control over the custom Mavens that Seals 1.0 ran) because there are quite a few of us non-Windows folks.

barchart27, diasus, rayclar34, and spitz50 were the colluding accounts.  All of them registered right around the end of the late registration period of the medium BTC.  If you sat a table with any two of them, you should have received a refund, and if not, you should e-mail support ASAP so they can resolve your case.

Despite all my issues with SwC management, i would like to applaud them for refunding all the players affected by the 4-man collusion team during this past Sunday's MediumBTC tournament.  While SwC has mishandled pretty much everything else, they did step up to the plate in a prompt and decisive fashion after the tournament after players e-mailed support with reports of suspicious behavior by these 4 individuals.  Players on all poker sites (BTC or otherwise) should always remain vigilant against possible dishonest users.

You make fair points but just to clarify: 1) Not everyone was affected equally by the the promo cuts, and I was affected more negatively than most.  2)  I have played a lot on this site this year and all the rewards that I built up playing (which were promised to be permanent) were all cut, and I think I should be able to call them out for that.  3)  People complaining about the rewards are not the minority, they are the majority.  I have decided to call out the management publicly; there are many others who are equally as unhappy but disagree with my approach.

O phew!! At least you're hoping.  No way the site crashes and burns when you are hoping as strongly as you are.  Btw...I assume "we don't have a definitive timeline" just means that it's never happening?  Like the "no definitive timeline" on the new clients (promised 1.5years ago) or software fixes.  Maybe we can just all hold hands and hope really hard, and a new web/android client with proper hand history logs will magically come into existence.  


I will also jump on this offer and gladly give up all of my krill if you a) promise to deliver a web client within a specific time frame and b) actually do so without any major glitches or bugs.

pm me skype info?

LOL..."offset my variance"  Why are you gambling what you can't afford?  I also consider it begging when you sat in chat before every tourney spamming your shares so people give you money to play. And just because I was tilted and said "screw it, I'm just gonna play the freerolls" doesn't all of a sudden make it okay for them to cancel the high krillrolls.  I've also said similar things plenty of times before, because I tilt easily, but notwithstanding this latest fiasco, I generally calm down and continue my happy gambling ways.  This was like the 4th time in this thread you decided to attack me personally.  I don't see why you feel like you have the right to tell me I shouldn't be upset about losing all the benefits that were promised to me by the site.  Let's not pretend like the cuts didn't affect the higher krill accounts disproportionally.  I paid waaaay more rake than you, both in the past and in this current year (and I did so without panhandling) , but you somehow feel like you have the right to tell me to go fuck off when they cut rewards that you were never even eligible for.   

Lol at me being a freeloader.  Please tell me more about how I take free money off a site that I haven't contributed to.  Have I not earned every single krill that I have?  It's easy for you to tell me to get fucked when you didn't get as much taken from you as I did.  I have played and contributed way more to the site than you have; it's hilarious that someone who begged for stakes and used sealsdeals.info as his lifeblood is calling me a freeloader.

Sick attempt at blame shifting.  So you're saying your software hadn't been properly vetted by the prior management.  Two problems with this.  1) The SwC 2.0 software wasn't actually being used by the prior management except in beta trials; the main site ran on Mavens 2)  The implication of your attempt to shift blame suggests that you started SwC 2.0 and ran the software for the public without actually vetting it yourself.  You took an unreleased piece of software that hadn't been properly tested and you released it without vetting it yourself!  Yup, that seems responsible.

Second, your hand history system is broken.  One of the most fundamental and rudimentary function, available at every poker site has, does not work at SwC 2.0  It really takes you guys more than a year to get around to this?  That shows a lot of commitment. 

Last, krill is not obviously not a "viable, lifetime" reward.  That's pretty clear from the events that unfolded in the past couple of weeks.  Lol, at the 20krill reward---what about the 75krill, the 150krill that you cut and have no immediate plans to reinstate??  Can you guys really not come up with the $1400-$1500 a month to run those anymore?  Are you really asking us to trust a site that can't afford to spend $1400-$1500 a month???  And you want us to trust it without any independent audit of course.
LOL at your response to the earlier suggestion of having an independent audit.  Your response basically amounted to "well, we haven't stolen yet, so we're gonna refuse an audit.  If we do steal in the future, then we will comply with audit requests."  Hahaha.  The entire point of an audit is to inform us before-the-fact that the site will remain solvent in the future; there's no use in auditing a site once they're already unable to process withdrawals.

I believe when SwC 2.0 first started, Micon stated that there were no holdovers from the original Seals management/development team except himself.  Since he is also gone from SwC 2.0, it seems pretty clear that there are no original Seals ownership/management/development persons still on board at the new site.  I also don't think you know the definition of the word "accusation" or "baseless".  The little snippet that you quoted, bolded, and responded to isn't an accusation.  That statement doesn't imply that I think they've outright stolen, but rather that the circumstances make me nervous about the potential of something like that occurring.  It's also not baseless, because look, here's the base: "their incredibly apparent financial troubles".  People in dire circumstances have been known to steal, particularly in the BTC-economy.

I've lost faaaaaaaar more on the original Seals and I never spoke out against their management.  I loved it there.  I don't play poker to support myself; I don't have any pressure.  I can afford to gamble/lose whatever amount I deposit anywhere.  Yes, I tilt and I get frustrated sometimes.  I also say a lot of stuff in the heat of the moment.  But my recent comments on SwC has nothing to do with wins or losses, or tilt. 

I don't think "well, it's not the worst out there" is a really convincing argument and at this point, it seems that SwC gives no fucks about their customers either.

First, it's more than strange that a site that desperately needs new people to join won't comment on its most public platform with any meaningful remarks concerning complaints and dissatisfaction.

Second, saying "Yup, we fucked you, but don't worry, something good will happen later on maybe" isn't addressing concerns.  Any statements made have been more or less this vague.  Sorry for not buying "later" as a well-thought-out plan.  The site hasn't fixed or added the numerous things that they have been "addressing" since SwC 2.0 opened.  They "addressed" new clients, "addressed" hand history fixes, "addressed" disconnect issues many months ago....weird that nothing actually happened with any of those issues.
Maybe they'll bring back the 20k, maybe with it's prize slashed again....they sure as hell aren't going to bring back the $ value of all the promos that they just cut tho (nor does it seem like they can scrape up the money to afford to.)

Last, in the past few days alone, there have been like 20+ posts made by more than half a dozen people voicing their concerns about SwC.  I'm not sure why you decided to attack me personally when there are just as many people in here saying variations of the same thing I am.

LOL.  Yes, that seems likely...right.

I think a lot of players have confidence in SwC because the original SealsWithClubs had a long history of honesty and integrity.  Just remember that SwC 2.0 has completely different ownership, management, support, and software.  As far as I know, there are no holdovers from the original SealsWithClubs.

If SwC opened a year ago under any other name, the ineptitude, mismanagement, and false promises would have forced the site to shut down within a couple of months.  The fact they are still (barely) in business is pretty much a product of a misplaced sense of loyalty that some players feel towards the new site.  Slightly irrational since the people who earned this trust in their operation of the original Seals have nothing to do with this new site.  The only thing that SwC 2.0 has demonstrated is an appalling level of apathy towards how players feel about their numerous missteps.

The track-record for this version of SwC is only about a year long and it is almost entirely negative.  The only thing they have not yet done is outright steal, and their incredibly apparent financial troubles make me nervous that theft in the future isn't totally out of the realm of possibilities.

Learning the rules for any one variant of poker will take a couple of hours.  You would start by reading through the rules (maybe at Wikipedia), observing a table running that game, and eventually sitting down to play the game yourself.  The benefit of online poker is that the software will not allow you to make any illegal moves.

Playing and not losing money in poker is long, frustrating journey.  There is pretty much no way to get better in poker other than playing hundreds of thousands of hands and developing the logic and intuition for the game through a heuristic approach.  Intelligence and math--without experience--will not be enough to make you a winning player.

However, if you decide that you would rather just enjoy the gambling aspect of poker without an expectation of making money, I highly recommend brushing up on your trash talk.  I generally keep a list of swear words and 'your mother' insults handy that I successively run through each session.  Sometimes it's just cathartic to curse out people online, and poker players make the best targets.  Depending on the opponent, you might be lucky enough to witness a grown man have a total emotional breakdown over a game of cards.

Lastly, look at other sites.  SwC has horrible and unresponsive management and the site has been steadily declining in traffic and quality since it opened its doors last year. (Just look at the series of posts above this one.)