Complain which was dismissed one year ago as he is very well aware and is hiding. He wrote he would published the follow up documents. He didn't because he is hiding the dismissal document. He never published any other document about it because there isn't any other.

My favorite scammer Andrea Medri is still scamming with his scam exchange after years. Welcome to the crypto world! You wont scam longer. I found one of your scammed investors: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/lorenzo-marocchi-9919b540_peer-to-peer-activity-6866891203565162496-nxwJ. He is going to love to know about your scams.

What about consob? I've been working a lot lately with them on money laundering and they do reply quite promptly..

After all this length of time what have the Rock Trading achieved? Was it worth it?

They are not allowed by any law to hold your funds more than a year to year if they don't announce the authorities about aml problems, if the authorities say nothing, you have to prove you owned the coins, if not they stay in stand by a mediator not arbitor (or whatever you call it).

You are forced by the law to have evidence of AML for BTC/crypto/stocks doesn't matter, but as I read 1 hour the thread, not KYC. Even if the data may be available for the public is still illegal the drive they have posted about you.

But, by the law only making this thread gives them the right to hold your crypto by the time you prove your words in court and this goes civil, not penal, but you are still accountable.

In a weird way, myself as a italian and maltesse citizen, you both should be accountable to giant fines for the behaviour you have here.

And @therocktrading, I use your service for 5 years, wtf!? How can you have such a not at all proffesional behaviour!? Besides reputation, what do you have to win over 30k euro? Just give him a part of the money minus the fees,demages you have received and finish the story. Do a private deal and finish this.

There is no KYC, as I'm no longer a customer. He cancelled my account and is just finding pretexts to keep my money.

If you truly wanted to end this affair, you would send the amount in bitcoin to the address quoted by the OP and that should be part of your archived records.

This is the bitcoin cosmos, proprietorship of an address means identity confirmation.

At the most, you would require merely some kind of document that gave you corroboration that the OP is the person you claim is the owner.

Like a recent utility bill with the rest of personal details erased, except name and nationality.

On the OP's shoes, I wouldn't send this to someone like you, though. You'll invent another ploy to keep the OP's money.

The Italian legal Arbiter is just more of the same: delay tactic.

I think the consideration for possibly allowing the OP to select an arbiter for their own choosing is a huge step forward. Even though what I say obviously carries no weight as far as on a personal basis I have to say I am pleasantly surprised with you being open-minded enough to try to find a resolution that will be much quicker than any legal avenue would bring.

Regardless of the ludicrous allegations that were made in this thread the past in order to misdirect from the real issues, my only concern and interest within this situation is and was that the OP should be returned their funds. If the OP can select an arbiter for you the send the funds to they should be instructed to release the funds to the OP as long as they send KYC to the arbiter on the basis that KYC is not passed on to Rock Trading. You can send the funds and the name of the account holder to the new arbiter and as long as the OP sends appropriate KYC then that should bring the matter to an end - if the OP agrees.

I hope the OP will read these posts soon and contemplate the next step carefully when posting with an update.

Thank you for the swift reply but what you wrote highlights some issues which if were conducted in a different manner would have given you and your website some credibility.

For example, why on earth choose an arbiter that you already know instead someone completely impartial? Furthermore, why even transfer the funds totally 35,000 EURO to a third party without consent from the OP?

Because we cannot rely on consent from an anonymous person. Therefore, because one of the allegations was that we didn't have the funds, we decided to move in order to prove it. Also, it was stated on the Criminal Procedure against the OP.

If what you say is correct and the OP is not asking for arbiter contact details because the OP does not want to send KYC, then that is not something that should not surprise you because the OP chose to not send you KYC after you seized their funds and I along with others advised the OP (when this scam accusation thread was created) to not send KYC in case you try to misuse it in order to take revenge on the OP.

The OP doesn't have to provide KYC to us but to the Arbiter. 

Why will you not simply ask the arbiter to either send you the funds back in order for you to send them to the OP (who is the rightful owner) or ask the arbiter to send them directly to the OP - that way the whole issue will end and hopefully you will drop any legal argument you have against the OP and in the same way the OP will drop any legal argument against you and Rock Trading then both parties can continue without this issue hanging over them.

We cannot request funds back for a certain amount of time. I believe at least one year in case the owner of the account is not showing up ( I have to check on this).  In any case, even if possible, we would not be able to release funds without a full KYC identification. Sorry but current laws prevail on personal ideas.


Will you please kindly consider it?

What I could consider, if possible, is to let the OP choose a legal arbiter of his choice in Italy and mutually request the present one to transfer funds to the new one.

The OP has suffered a lot as a result of the funds being withheld for so long. The issue started in December 2017 and here we are in December 2021, it has been a long 4 years for the OP.

I know, but ask yourselves why?  For 4 years the OP stated that he initiated a legal procedure but, as of today, nothing....... The reason is simple: He cannot prove to be the account owner.
However, if he would consider to choose a LEGAL arbiter of his choice, I would gladly accept it


Please kindly consider bringing an end to this matter and release the funds back to the OP.

Why are you keeping the name of arbiter secret from the public?

Can you name the arbiter here in public? I'm sorry, being a sensible information, it is available to the authorities, to the OP and to the account owner only.

Can you categorically state you are not affiliated or connected with the arbiter in any way? We know the Arbiter but, by law, the arbiter MUST follow precise rules and it is legally binded to it

Why did you choose that particular arbiter and when was the first time you became aware of him/her/them? When we decided to transfer funds

But the real question is:  Why the OP doesn't request the information?  Maybe because he knows that the Arbiter will require full KYC proving he is not the owner of the account?  I believe this is the case.

You are not presenting your company in a good light when you keep up this vendetta against the OP. You selectively scammed the OP out of what was then over 35,000 EURO and instead of returning the funds you decided to take revenge because the OP created this thread to expose your scam.

The OP is the account owner, you are deliberately trying to misguide those reading this thread.

I didn't highlight again that he deliberately hided the identity of the fake arbiter to whom he claims he sent money and is refusing to disclose publicly his name and contacts. He just had the brilliant idea on its own to highlight this.

Dal support dell'exchange non ho notizie da più di 24 ore, cosa che in generale non mi renderebbe neanche così tanto irrequieto, ma dato che l'oggetto è un bonifico in euro che dovrebbe arrivare a me la cosa un po' mi destabilizza, quindi chiedo qui se qualcuno mi può tranquillizzare.

Tutto nasce dove qualche giorno fa decido di portare delle cryptovalute provenienti da altri exchange su TRT per cambiarle in euro e incassare tramite bonifico. La cifra non è bassa, ma non si tratta neanche di centinaia e centinaia di migliaia di euro... HO deciso di incassare da TRT proprio perchè è una società italiana e mi è sembrata la soluzione migliore dato che non ho nulla da nascondere sulla provenienza e neanche al fisco.

Così dopo la mia richiesta di prelievo mi viene chiesta la provenienza di questi fondi per la normativa italiana sull'antiriciclaggio. Rispondo con delle risposte e con delle immagini del tutto esaurienti (per quanto mi riguarda) e da allora però non ho più avute risposte, neanche dopo un mio sollecito per essere informato se la procedura sta andando bene e per sapere in questi casi quali sono le tempistiche per incassare il bonifico.

Qualcuno del forum o perchè no magari direttamente il sig. @eliale mi riesce a dare delle tempistiche standard per il completamento di queste procedure, anche se mi sarebbe piaciuto sentirmelo dire direttamente dal support del sito, che prima di questo avvenimento comunque è sempre stato molto veloce nel rispondere. Però capite anche voi che avere un bonifico in entrata in "pending" e non sapere quando si sbloccherà o cosa serve ancora per sbloccarlo, non è una bella sensazione...

PS
Ovviamente sono un utente verificato che ha fatto regolare KYC!

Grazie per le precisazioni, molto utili.
Scrivi però che tutte le tx Btc vengono monitorate onchain, quindi Tinkl non utilizza LN ?  come fate per le tx di piccolo importo? non è target che interessa a Tinkl ?

Scusa se chiedo ma la curiosità nasceva proprio da quel che si diceva in altro thread a proposito di test che sta facendo McDonald's che - ovviamente - lavora con importi tipicamente piccoli.

Visto che ci leggi in questo thread, ne approfitto per fare una domanda riguardante Tinkl.
Il discorso nasce da quanto stiamo scrivendo in quest'altro thread:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5342125.msg57957727#msg57957727

dove ci domandiamo come si possano gestire acquisti in Btc in Italia data l'assenza di normativa specifica.

Nel thread facevo l'esempio dell'acquisto della Ferrari che so essere stato gestito tramite Tinkl, la domanda che mi stavo però facendo riguarda pagamenti di piccolo taglio. Per esemplificare posso pensare ad un ristorante o un piccolo esercizio presso il quale sia possibile fare la spesa o consumare una cena e pagare in Btc.
Guardando il sito di Tinkl vedo che è prevista la registrazione ma se non capisco male, il soggetto che si deve registrare è l'esercizio (il ristorante o il piccolo esercizio nell'esempio che stavo facendo), non il cliente finale, cioè colui che consuma la cena.
Anche leggendo i TOS di Tinkl:

https://tinkl.it/it/aml_policy

deduco che con "Cliente" (di Tinkl) si intende colui che installa il POS di Tinkl, ovvero l'esercente.
Sempre leggendo i TOS mi sembra che tutti i riferimenti sull'adeguata verifica siano riferiti all'esercente stesso, non al "cliente consumatore" finale, che quindi potrebbe pagare in Btc senza che sulla sua identità venga fatto alcun controllo.

Capisco bene? oppure sono previsti controlli anche sul cliente finale ?  (lascio volutamente fuori dalla domanda clienti che spendono somme importanti come ad esempio per l'acquisto della Ferrari su citata)

Grazie in anticipo per quanto potrai dirci e scusa la domanda rivolta a te ma credo che Pregnolato non sia lettore del forum.