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Link to the C++ god king?
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It's sad to see soo many supporter became hater,
Half of them out because of bad management project, if you know ETA is not possible why dont tell community before 09/10.
The dev team worked hard to get the community to the shit point its at. Ive never seen such un-professionalism from a dev team. Im glad people are getting out of this shit coin. |
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Bob is hyping up the coin with his newbie accounts again trying to get noobs to build support so he can dump on your asses. LXC all over again. Get ready for the dump!  yeah - cause u know everything MR. IwantToAccumulateAllEveryonesCoinsCheaperThanWhatTheyAreNowSoLetsSpreadFudMan man. yea thats you lol i can see through you Bob. you're not as smart as you think. If I'm so stupid then how the hell did I end up with an income of over 20K a month just on my membership fees? LMAO...... BTW.. LXC is 5x the price today then when i first bought in! 5x and librexsend is still around the corner. Get outa here troll, you're just hurting yourself. You are far from stupid, I just hope you are in this coin for the right reasons. If your going to suck someones dick plz do it in a back ally somewhere away from here. Thanks. |
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What is so great about BC? And why are the Chinese getting behind this coin?
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Whats so great about this coin?
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Dont worry.. Dev said Hi on IRC, now everything is OK, all forgiven.. again..
Sheeps are already bending over with their panties at their knees painting a bullseye on their ass... again
Bring some lube this time !
But but but..... They developed a VPN with the word cloak on it! BUYING! The fact is, the trust between the devs and the community is irrevocably shattered. Imagine if I had a boss but worked from home. I promised my boss the project the company needs is coming along just great! Then when its due I inform my boss, through a text, that I havnt been working on the project for the last 5 days, but it was impossible for me to inform anyone at the company. And thats all I said. But then I tell my boss, well I did develop a VPN for the company! I was fooled once, yes even rational investors can be fooled. Im posting here to warn others, there is ZERO professionalism here and if any of you with jobs out there did this, you know you would be fired. Its that simple. So i suggest doing the same thing to this coin and project. alty was posting telling us the project is going good and going to be right on time? Originally he said he didn't want to put a ETA for this exact reason. He said they would "push" for the 10th. Then 2 days ago on irc he said they were a little behind, i would quote it but im on my phone. The people complaining are the ones who pushed for a release date. I hope those people got burned. This is a lesson to all developers that unless you are 100% sure, DO NOT GIVE AN ETA. I am still holding all my CLOAK. Beer and popcorn in hand, watching all the weak hands cry and bitch. Alty did nothing wrong. Agreed. Giving out an ETA was a mistake. In a way he was forced by all the pressure from the community to set an exact date, but he should have known better. Considering all the shit that CLOAK has been through during the last 6-7 weeks, I am surprised how resilient the coin still is. Any other coin under this circumstances would be dead weeks ago, yet we are still here around 30-35 k where the coin was 2 months ago. Not that much of a setback if you think carefully about it. CLOAK is like a colony of cockroaches, just cannot defeat them no matter what you do - they always survive ! So I tip my hat to the CLOAK - the cockroach of cryptos !  The problem was not missing the ETA, the problem was not alerting the community earlier of the delay. If there was a tweet on Friday about a delay then ppl would have been ok. Instead we get a last minute tweet about a delay due to some lame excuse that the lead dev was mia for 5days. Instead we got tweets about increase volume.... This is spot on. The problem is not the delay. The problem, by and large, is the manner in which it was unceremoniously handled. A vague tweet right before eta launch about a core dev being afk for FIVE DAYS. That information, as a rational actor, is just unacceptable. I feel that an apology or confession of the screw up is warranted under these circumstances. Honestly, and it would go a LONG way in correcting this. Furthermore, alty mentioned something about being forced into an eta? I just cant take that response seriously, not from a reasonable person that is suppose to be developing high tech stuff. It sounds an awful lot like an excuse to shift blame from the core team, where it belongs, to the community. Ask yourself, what type of dev team, after missing a big eta, blames the community? The devs have been taking a beating these part few days, some of it has been over board but none the less its not entirely undeserved. I hope they can do some introspective soul searching and make amends. This is unacceptable. Cloak has potential, its too bad the dev team left itself down like this. |
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XC is first by volume in mintpal now, but price isnt going up still.. i think we should see nice pump (~300k) before monday like we saw before July 7th. And I hope that we wont back to same level (130k).
LOL, May god bless us. Can someone link the release details? |
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Dont worry.. Dev said Hi on IRC, now everything is OK, all forgiven.. again..
Sheeps are already bending over with their panties at their knees painting a bullseye on their ass... again
Bring some lube this time !
But but but..... They developed a VPN with the word cloak on it! BUYING! The fact is, the trust between the devs and the community is irrevocably shattered. Imagine if I had a boss but worked from home. I promised my boss the project the company needs is coming along just great! Then when its due I inform my boss, through a text, that I havnt been working on the project for the last 5 days, but it was impossible for me to inform anyone at the company. And thats all I said. But then I tell my boss, well I did develop a VPN for the company! I was fooled once, yes even rational investors can be fooled. Im posting here to warn others, there is ZERO professionalism here and if any of you with jobs out there did this, you know you would be fired. Its that simple. So i suggest doing the same thing to this coin and project. |
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Totally agree! But pressure I mean it more in a psychological way. Imagine you begin with such a project. And you make it very good. You work hard and for the most you are Jesus, because the price is rising etc. But also: The price does not reflect everytime how much you invest in it. The Community-Feedback is often disrespectful particularly the price falls or just stagnate for some weeks. A few people always starts complaining if there is not something hyping in a two-day-timeframe. And than: You see dumping. Whales who bought in early sell at the top without fundamental reasons. And: At the same time something big (PoSA) does not work out as good as intended. There are some issues and it all maybe comes together with private plans (vacation for example) and it is all very different from the plans. You are revised and your Investors are disappointed, your own investment is down, too. You need some money and you sell some of your own Coins, much cheaper as intended. There are problems inside the Team... Short: It`s a real hard time.
And in such a time, people often don't have the psychological energy to face a critic community. And every word could lead to a dump. Completely honesty can lead to a dump, even if it's just about some more time. If a Dev would say: Sorry, my daugther is ill. Family first for a week... The price would drop and some would ask: Is he lying? Manipulating? Scammer? etc.
What I want to say is: There are times, you can't do it really right. You just can do it "as right as possible" or "not too bad". And psychological... you don't get such a project out of your mind. You always know, whatever you do in private: Thousands of people are waiting for progress. That is the Master-Plan to a big burn-out. And, to make it clear: I don't want to defend the way how Alty acts in the moment. But I can imagine the pressure and I know from myself: Under pressure and nearly burn-out... all what I would like to have is just some time out. No talking, no complaining... maybe working, but without contact to people who are always pushing. I know it from my own projects (not Software but with similarities in the dynamic). And if there comes a time, one just want some rest... it all becomes a risk. The honest people could think about running away.
For me, under the line: I'm totally convinced, that Alty and nobody of the project, ever intended a scam or big manipulation. Should they give up, than because they couldn't face all the pressure in Crypto. And that's a lot...
And, to come to an end: Satoshi Nakamato had not that pressure. We all can't know, if Bitcoin would exist if he had had such pressure.
Sorry if I cannot answer to the extent this post deserves - I'm a bit short of time. What you say does make sense. At least, it's what most people holding cloak wish. But there are some inconsistencies: somebody saying that everything looks fine (some days before "The Date", maybe it was yesterday or Monday) MUST have had contact to the developer. How else would he know that everything is in time? He MUST have noticed that a developer (the one of the most important feature) is not available. I have a quite good knowledge of human nature and this looks shady, smells fishy and seems dishonest. This just keeps me from believing that he is sitting on his PC, coding the crap out of his mind. It's a feeling that has manifested itself. Maybe you are right, maybe you're not. I just don't know. I'm uncertain (the second letter of FUD - without FUD being the reason for it). For all those still invested in cloak, believing in cloak and for the community altogether, I sincerely hope that you are right. What are you really saying? Isnt it obvious? The devs promise an epic release. Update on how great its going. Then through an obscure twitter tweet announce that a core dev actually hasnt been wokring on it for a week... Opppps sorry guys. Then is mia... Like come on.... |
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Totally agree! But pressure I mean it more in a psychological way. Imagine you begin with such a project. And you make it very good. You work hard and for the most you are Jesus, because the price is rising etc. But also: The price does not reflect everytime how much you invest in it. The Community-Feedback is often disrespectful particularly the price falls or just stagnate for some weeks. A few people always starts complaining if there is not something hyping in a two-day-timeframe. And than: You see dumping. Whales who bought in early sell at the top without fundamental reasons. And: At the same time something big (PoSA) does not work out as good as intended. There are some issues and it all maybe comes together with private plans (vacation for example) and it is all very different from the plans. You are revised and your Investors are disappointed, your own investment is down, too. You need some money and you sell some of your own Coins, much cheaper as intended. There are problems inside the Team... Short: It`s a real hard time.
And in such a time, people often don't have the psychological energy to face a critic community. And every word could lead to a dump. Completely honesty can lead to a dump, even if it's just about some more time. If a Dev would say: Sorry, my daugther is ill. Family first for a week... The price would drop and some would ask: Is he lying? Manipulating? Scammer? etc.
What I want to say is: There are times, you can't do it really right. You just can do it "as right as possible" or "not too bad". And psychological... you don't get such a project out of your mind. You always know, whatever you do in private: Thousands of people are waiting for progress. That is the Master-Plan to a big burn-out. And, to make it clear: I don't want to defend the way how Alty acts in the moment. But I can imagine the pressure and I know from myself: Under pressure and nearly burn-out... all what I would like to have is just some time out. No talking, no complaining... maybe working, but without contact to people who are always pushing. I know it from my own projects (not Software but with similarities in the dynamic). And if there comes a time, one just want some rest... it all becomes a risk. The honest people could think about running away.
For me, under the line: I'm totally convinced, that Alty and nobody of the project, ever intended a scam or big manipulation. Should they give up, than because they couldn't face all the pressure in Crypto. And that's a lot...
And, to come to an end: Satoshi Nakamato had not that pressure. We all can't know, if Bitcoin would exist if he had had such pressure.
Sorry if I cannot answer to the extent this post deserves - I'm a bit short of time. What you say does make sense. At least, it's what most people holding cloak wish. But there are some inconsistencies: somebody saying that everything looks fine (some days before "The Date", maybe it was yesterday or Monday) MUST have had contact to the developer. How else would he know that everything is in time? He MUST have noticed that a developer (the one of the most important feature) is not available. I have a quite good knowledge of human nature and this looks shady, smells fishy and seems dishonest. This just keeps me from believing that he is sitting on his PC, coding the crap out of his mind. It's a feeling that has manifested itself. Maybe you are right, maybe you're not. I just don't know. I'm uncertain (the second letter of FUD - without FUD being the reason for it). For all those still invested in cloak, believing in cloak and for the community altogether, I sincerely hope that you are right. The sheer level of incompetence that would be required for that is astronomical, and thus the only logical conclusion a rational actor can make is that he was simply lying &/or mis-representing facts. Either way, his word and the value it carries are now trash, along with cloak. |
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Where is the one market ?
There.Is.No.Such.Thing. There wasn't, there hasn't been, there isn't, there won't be and there won't have been anything called "OneMarket". Or, to say it with some altered form of community's members' words: mark my words and you'll cry later. Finally, I turned into a cynicist. Hope this condition passes as time goes by. Alty said onemarket will be tested on testnet soon. It was supposed to be today, A simple delay means "there was never a OneMarket" to some. I think it is just a delay, very common in the programming world. But you can draw your own conclusions. I admire people who can still be positive. Also, I'm a programmer by profession and I know about the delays. But this is something completely different. To me, it's just a feeling: we have announcements, nice PDFs but where are the things that are listed on those PDFs? Does anyone even know what half of the features there are supposed to be? At the moment, they are just pastime for guessing funny acronyms. Everything gets delayed, we hear that something will come without anyone even knowing what that is supposed to be (besides OneMarket). Just think about it. In the last two months, couldn't it maybe be possible that there wasn't anything being developed on cloak? Regarding everything we got, was there anything, any sneek peek to what's being developed? Has anybody ever seen any development in the past weeks? I mean, not just heard about it? Maybe I'm wrong (I would be glad to be wrong [see, YourMother: no problem admitting being wrong]), but to me it could also be likely that this coin is just being used to produce some money by releasing news from time to time. Nice and easy income, rinse and repeat. Still, I hope I'm wrong. PoSA exists. There were the testings. There were the differences between MrRGnome and the team but even if he was very disappointed, he also confirmed that it's all there. This is absolutely no Scam. If it would be one, they would have announced a passed audit, than sold .....and away. The problem is: There are delays. It's not the first one. But, even this I don't see as a big problem if there is communication. And in the first time there was a lot of communication and explanation. But now... one Tweet. That's all. And T H A T , for me, is the biggest problem and it threatens the whole project, because it looks fishy. Some think they are gone. Others think they could intend a price-drop to buy before the release and so on. I personally think: They are under a lot of pressure and they don't know how to handle it. They don't want questions and they don't want to answer these questions. Therefore they avoid communicative ways like IRC or Forum. But I also think: There will be a release. You are right. PoSA does exits - it is real. It was audited by a third party - the audit didn't fulfill everybody's wish list 100% and then the coin went down big time. If devs were con men, as some are saying why on earth would they request an audit by the third party and then post the result - even though they knew the ramifications of it. We can accuse Alty and devs for doing many thing badly but one thing cannot be denied - they were totally honest - I mean 100% brutal honesty -and this is of course going to have an effect on the price. Scamcoin devs spend all day posting on btctalk and twitter - CLOAK devs rarely post anything. Why? Perhaps they are indeed really busy and under immense pressure. We are not talking about some mambo-jumbo here - they have to deliver the Holy Grail - and it might take weeks, months or it might never happen. The future is unwritten. Hope you have all cooled down a bit after this new shock - it's been almost 24 hours. Let's move on, those of us who have stayed in are all in, because there is no turning back now - and we know it. I hope is OK I give you an outsider perspective on this. When you promise something will be delivered on a certain time frame when the due date finally comes you need an excuse to get out of the situation. The first time this happened was with that audit that no one saw or knew it was taking place ahead of time. So it is simple you create an expectation that moves the market, everybody thinks they are buying the rumour to sell the news, but before the due date comes they release a new piece of information that prevents them from actually having to deliver something concrete. That right there was your cue that something was terribly wrong. Then after that, they promise several systems that will be delivered in about 10 days, how is that humanly possible? Have you ever worked on a real life project that was released in 10 days and was complete and successful? They drive the market again, and the day before the due date again they come up with an excuse. No main developer for 5 days etc, this is highly irresponsible but some people still support this behaviour. It is baffling. Anyway, on your next investment ask for better warranties that your are investing into something legitimate, investments shouldn’t rely on trust, as little as possible, even with people you meet in person, even more on the internet. The fact that you are left here wondering about what happened and even now no one cares to give you a clear explanation, long time supporters having to come up with conspiracy theories because no one cares is just a shame. Cloak is a scam. |
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IRC [12:19] < @alty> Hi Cointrader83... we should have our own private testnet up soon [12:20] < @alty> in other words we are making good progress [12:20] < Cointrader83> good news [12:21] < Cointrader83> Aaron made a donation address for the promotional video, and I gain for he about 400 Cloak [12:21] <`RainbowDash> I sent Aaron some paypal funds  [12:22] < Cointrader83> So Alty relax, professional promotion video is on way [12:22] < Cointrader83> good news guys everybody is working [12:22] < @alty> ah cool [12:22] < @alty> look forward to seeing it [12:23] < Cointrader83> new marketing team is working http://cloakdesk.com/marketing-team-hq/Good progress until the lead dev steps out for 5 days before an important deadline... This is really great! O wait, uhhh yea a core dev hasnt been working on the project for the last 5 days sooo... If your not outraged at this your probably an alt coin groupie hoping "your" coin is the one. Pathetic really. Mis-repersenting facts, typical of cloak these past few weeks. No wonder its in the shitter, its a reflection of the dev team. |
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22 cents is not a high price
If you dont think 22 cents is a lot, your a fool. I just sold all my coins. I will never re-invest in a coin as un-professional as this. This is what, the 2nd 3rd time cloak devs do this? The communication also, just a total slap in the face. Some vague, half ass twitter tweet. No official post on the thread. A semi dump a few hours before the semi official twitter announcement. This is borderline criminal. If crypto was regulated this would warrant an investigation. Im so glad I was able to get out of this coin, I feel very fortunate that I only lost 100 bucks. |
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Alty is like the least professional coin dev out of all the altcoins now. Total fly by night script kiddie or something. Why would you be gone 5 days before a major release? Just like the last time when the audit fail... oh let's take a holiday. WTF DUDE?!?!?!
Remember when I said I was a rational investor. WARNING - Get out of this trash coin & the dev team. The stench of un-professionalism is coming from this corpse of a coin. To not have an core dev not working on the code 5 days before a major launch thats suppose to introduce revolutionary tech, I can only say that I would fire your ass faster then you could type your pathetic announcement of a tweet. To not know..... Thats one of the most pathetic excuses Ive ever heard, dare I say criminal. Im out, I suggest you do the same. |
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What exactly is PoSA? i'm trying to understand that, its some kind of confirmation anonimity for transactions?
PoSa is the acronym for "Piece of shit anon" YourMother, we are used to more sophisticated fud from your part. Your last "HAHAHA" and the one above are far below the quality you usually provide... What happens, dude ? You're sick for the moment and a colleague is replacing you ? Next time, just leave your "out of office" message. Take care, my crypto friend ;-) I'm just trying to understand what's PoSA means, i'm watching Cloak since beggining but still dont understand what this means, and now it's releasing v3, so i whould like to know what is that. I'm not FUDster, i just think CLOAK have really great potential and i'm in, if this is not dead yet, its because there are really great devs and community! POSA: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=637704.msg8257810#msg8257810Cloakcoin In simple terms: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UyJS5uJTnsAlso theres alot of good info about it in the OP Thanks dude, really helped me to understand. Now i know why cloak it's so great and will reach he's expected value in market! No problem. The only reason the price is so low is because alot of people doubt the DEVs since we have less fan boys spamming the thread with how godly they are, but once they deliver tomorrow, i expect you'll see a good rise. I think I have to agree. Were seeing a minor fall in the price, which I must admit is un-expected. Non the less, I bought more, rational investor. Ill take from the weak hands every time. I think people are doubting whether or not the ETA will be met, since there hasnt really been any official update as to its state. But so far, I have zero reason to not expect the update tomorrow. Less then 24 hours and Im extremely excited for the new value of cloak. Weak hands panic with any price drop, excellent. |
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Greetings community, with great pleasure and an exceeding feeling of joy, i'd like to announce to you all that I have completed the anonymous client build. Everyone who would like to test the anonymous transactions I have set aside 1,000 HAL for this purpose. When the client is released tomorrow I will be both here and on the exchanges to test it all with you.
Thank you kindly,
HalcyonDev
The explosion coming soon Can we get a link to the update? |
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I am really excited for the future of Viacoin. Bitcoin is obviously strong because it was the first cryptocurrency, but Viacoin offers so much more than bitcoin and could possibly replace it over time. If you think about it, bitcoin may need to be replaced at some point - it is like an old computer that may eventually be phased out (Comment if you agree or disagree). Out of all the alternatives out there at this point in time, I say that Viacoin is a very strong contender  Investors beware of this coin. It may be a second chance to adopt a coin that will go up in value beyond our dreams (like bitcoin did). I would like to hear some responses back on whether you agree or disagree with me.
BTCKYLE BTCLets not get stupid. Let's not get stupid about what? I can't generate conversation among the community? I simply wanted to hear meaningful response to gauge how others felt about the future of this coin I see. At this point there are no competitors to bitcoin. Im not saying there wont be in the future, but if there are, that future is far far away. I think we should focus on getting the wider public to accept BTC before we push more crypto on them. Trying to kill each other off might only leave us all dead. Essentially what you are saying is "please stop innovating". I don't agree. Absolutely not. Keep innovating! But you are borderline delusional if you think that your coin, or any other is within 10 years striking distance on bitcoin. Absolute fool if you think that. Bitcoin is the crypto that will probably remain as some type of store of value, as gold is now. We will probably use a collection of different cryptos in our everyday life like we use tons of different sites. But do not fool yourself, bitcoin is a dragon while the entire alt coin market and btc 2.0 are less then an ant in comparison. I think bitcoin has 99% of the crypto market cap. And to be frank, its the best shot we have to get crypto main stream, by far. |
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I Love it when I have to switch to a 4 hr Chart to set my High Alarm Less then 48 hours till eta. Fasten your seat belts people. Ignition engaged. 3...2....1..... But really, cloak is soooo incredibly under valued. It was 20-35k just a few days ago!!! I think we can expect 100-200 or beyond, why, because thats where the coin was just 1 month ago; without all the added value of the ETA features! Im happy to see a steady rise though, no PUMP and DUMP like other scam shit coins out there. Cloak should be able to maintain a new trading price far above the 30k we have seen in the last 2-3 weeks. We can make an argument that cloaks new upgrade will make it the best its been since its inception, thus deriving that it will go higher then its been since its inception. By those metrics we could witness a 300k+ price increase. Who will win in the alt coin market, hard to say, but for now, cloak is in prime form for an out break. |
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I am really excited for the future of Viacoin. Bitcoin is obviously strong because it was the first cryptocurrency, but Viacoin offers so much more than bitcoin and could possibly replace it over time. If you think about it, bitcoin may need to be replaced at some point - it is like an old computer that may eventually be phased out (Comment if you agree or disagree). Out of all the alternatives out there at this point in time, I say that Viacoin is a very strong contender Investors beware of this coin. It may be a second chance to adopt a coin that will go up in value beyond our dreams (like bitcoin did). I would like to hear some responses back on whether you agree or disagree with me.
BTCKYLE BTCLets not get stupid. Let's not get stupid about what? I can't generate conversation among the community? I simply wanted to hear meaningful response to gauge how others felt about the future of this coin I see. At this point there are no competitors to bitcoin. Im not saying there wont be in the future, but if there are, that future is far far away. I think we should focus on getting the wider public to accept BTC before we push more crypto on them. Trying to kill each other off might only leave us all dead. |
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