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Show me a chat where we said we don't have USDT and I will send you your account balance within 24 hours
A screenshot should still work as evidence that you guys didnt have USDT But it seems like this webpage cant accept a loss This guy knows my account is disabled so I cant log on to check my account so he wanted an easy win bet but he dindt know that I had a screenshot to show as evidence ![Sad](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/sad.gif) And even if I had a chatlog he would still reply something like this: why you would take a screenshot of your deposit options on 11 Mar.
How is this guy supposed to be easy to deal with
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Why wasnt it appearing on my deposit options tho Perhaps you are lying again. Or maybe it's just one of life's mysteries. Like why you would take a screenshot of your deposit options on 11 Mar. I did so I can google their charts to see what stable coin was in that list, and the only one was BUSD thats why I ask on the next day about BUSD .... Can you please tell me why I didnt have USDT on that list? Or are you gonna avoid that question again ![Huh](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/huh.gif)
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How come it doenst appear on my screenshot that I took on 11 Mar at 4pm GMT -5
Can you please stop lying and give me my balance as promised
There are multiple transactions on the blockchain to our hot wallet on that day. Is the blockchain lying too? Also, are we going from 1 week you didnt even know that you had USDT disabled for atleast a week
To an exact moment How come it doenst appear on my screenshot that I took on 11 Mar at 4pm GMT -5
Also, no one ever told you we don't have USDT because we have always had it. That was the deal. I said if you can show us that we said we didn't have USDT, then you will get the balance back. Obviously I said that knowing you were lying, so there would be no chance of you receiving it. You are one of the worst pathological liars I have ever come across. You just continue to change your story every time you get caught. Seek help. You have much bigger issues than 14 LTC. Betcoin has had USDT for years.
Why wasnt it appearing on my deposit options tho ![Huh](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/huh.gif) Why would I ask for BUSD in your chat if i dindt want to use a stable coin ![Huh](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/huh.gif) The screenshot is from 11 Mar and Im tired of looking at my balance going up/down withouth me placing bets thats why I ask for BUSD on 12 Mar tbh
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How come it doenst appear on my screenshot that I took on 11 Mar at 4pm GMT -5 Can you please stop lying and give me my balance as promised
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I do see you asking about BUSD
BUSD disabled confirmed by his chat https://ibb.co/Pm9Lcrs , USDT disabled confirmed by the list of currencies availables at the moment of the screenshot I hope people can notice that you guys are a scam webpage with the worst possible customer service you didnt even know that you had USDT disabled for atleast a week
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heres a screenshot : https://ibb.co/Pm9Lcrs , I took it because I found it weird that you guys didnt have usdt from that list what looked the most stable one for me was litecoin so I used litecoin and on ur chatlog it should appear about me asking about the BUSD because I see it there but the chat told me it was disabled I do see you asking about BUSD. That is not relevant at all to what we are talking about (USDT). Betcoin has had USDT for years. This is quite a hole you are digging for yourself. I just sent u a screen shot ( https://ibb.co/Pm9Lcrs ) that theres no USDT in the list of deposit options ![Huh](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/huh.gif) ![Huh](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/huh.gif) ? Can you now let me have my balance within 24 hours or did you scam again
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how is that a lie you guys disabled the usdt/busd deposit I even had a chat with your support asking for a stable crypto , they told me they dindt have one so I used LTC
Show me a chat where we said we don't have USDT and I will send you your account balance within 24 hours heres a screenshot : https://ibb.co/Pm9Lcrs , I took it because I found it weird that you guys didnt have usdt from that list what looked the most stable one for me was litecoin so I used litecoin and on ur chatlog it should appear about me asking about the BUSD because I see it there but the chat told me it was disabled Can I get my 19 LTC asap now? Or is this another scam?
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On April 2nd I hit 14 ltc on my account (1.4k$ ~)
Theres no point for me to use an unstable crypto when I can choose USDT to play with
More lies. What an embarrassment how is that a lie you guys disabled the usdt/busd deposit I even had a chat with your support asking for a stable crypto , they told me they dindt have one so I used LTC can you read the chatlogs all my deposits /withdraw from betcoin where with litecoin but I can proove that all my stake deposits/withdraws where with USDT so you guys are linking different people due to binance ![Huh](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/huh.gif) I just noticed the chico poker network is betonline/sportsbetting.ag which I admited before that I used them and yes I used LTC with them with big transations (they dont limit, insta payout and they have a friendly customer service unlike betcoin) but I can guarantee that I never used LTC on stake and the I have no clue about the other webpages
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Do you realize that I used binance and they dont have a different wallet for each costumer?
Do you realize that we said address, not wallet. I just want everyone to see that even though this guy has been caught lying multiple times in this thread, he is still going to waste ours and an mediator's time and money by taking this to arbitration. An arbitration which he has 0 chance of winning. So when people ask why our improvements are coming along slowly or why we are doing more KYC on people, it is because people like this ruin the fun for everyone. Why would we put ourselves through this over a nominal amount of money (which we are giving away anyhow) if there was any chance we would lose? We've already spent too much time on this cheater. We will gladly show proof to an arbitrator or our licensor when needed. @murkyz, choose a good one, because once you lose the first one, we are done. Whats interesitng on the graph is that idk the rest of sportsbook but i can guarantee that I never used LTC on stake because they allow USDT. Theres no point for me to use an unstable crypto when I can choose USDT to play with Uhh okay tbh im new to crypto so im a bit lost here, can some1 confirm that addresses on exchanges are pooled together ![Huh](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/huh.gif) I never knew the other sportsbook mentioned on that list so im confused here plus when I look for the litecoin address that I used multiple transaction appears that dont matches with my binance app history
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Uhh I guess I did something wrong, I just got an email from CEG telling me that betcoin isnt licensed by them
What arbitrator can I use?
And how to contact their licensor im super lost on this topic
Oh wow, what a lucky coincidence, is it not? Do you mind to show us the email sent by CEG saying that? It's quite an interesting mistake, given you said that you reached their licensor because that info is available on their page, so you should see GC, mostly on their footer, the seal of validation one, as shown below, ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftalkimg.com%2Fimages%2F2024%2F04%2F07%2FVKt5l.jpeg&t=663&c=v8wBwkcoczXMfg) I wonder what make you lost so far on CEG's complaint site, they have a very different logo. ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftalkimg.com%2Fimages%2F2024%2F04%2F07%2FVKTIT.png&t=663&c=0OF7lpQPVY9jWQ) https://ibb.co/T4rGxSQthat gaming curacao link has a broken button on "contact us" so I ended up googling (?) . The email says its confidental but I guess i can show u a part on a private message Anyways which arbitrator can I use
the only other crypto sportbook that I used was stake
What an interesting lie, because I just looked up your crypto address and got this ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.ibb.co%2FrbNwcRX%2Fmurkyz.png&t=663&c=oiysXzhHc99Yxw) Do you realize that I used binance and they dont have a different wallet for each costumer? You should put on your ToS that exchange wallets are forbidden [moderator's note: consecutive posts merged]
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If i were a multiuser I wouldnt even deposit again after withdrawing the first time I can videocall/sharescreen my monitor or anything to tell them that this is my only account and im the real owner
What dumb reasoning is this to remove the suspicion of having a multiple account? Making another deposit again means you are successful on what you are doing and you want to try more to get more profit while the casino still doesn’t caught you. This is my first time to see a scam accusation against Betcoin after their previous long time scam accusation that got resolved after few years of debate. There’s a lot of multiple account scam accusations lately here in the forum. It seems like these users is using some betting method to take advantage to the casino. ![Huh](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/huh.gif) The only reason that I tried betcoin is because im limited on other sportsbook ![Huh](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/huh.gif) if I were multi accounting on other sportsbook why would I need to use another website im lost
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Uhh I guess I did something wrong, I just got an email from CEG telling me that betcoin isnt licensed by them
While you are there, read the part about multi-accounting and syndicate play. I notice you conveniently didn't name any Bitcoin books from this forum when you listed where you had played. I wonder why. Don't want people to be able to connect your previous dispute? Don't want to call attention to yourself among the other Bitcoin books who read this page? Not to worry, everyone is well aware of your team and what you are doing. Have fun finding a new career. I thought betonline and sportsbetting.ag counted as crypto books because I only use them with crypto and had no problems , good limits / great support / and they dont reject people that have an edge on their sportsboook the only other crypto sportbook that I used was stake but I got limited after 2 weeks and I had no problems withdrawing thats all after those 3 I tried betcoin and this happened ( the rest of crypto sportsbook that I saw dont offer nba props which is the market that i have my biggest edge and wiht highest limits ) I dont work with a team , why do you like to make up stuff? You can just say that you dont like players that are constant to beat the books and you only love recreational players that have no clue on what they are doing
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Tbh I had no clue what I was doing, and it looked easier to contact their licensor than an arbitrator. I was looking for help in this thread and the only answer I got was to contact a licensor or mediator, I have no Idea which mediator I could contact and since the licensor is on their webpage I contacted them.
And np I will update with the results Should you ask, you will be provided. But yeah, it happened anyway, so there's no point in discussing it any further. Uhh I guess I did something wrong, I just got an email from CEG telling me that betcoin isnt licensed by them What arbitrator can I use? And how to contact their licensor im super lost on this topic
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It seems weird for me tbh, I had disputes with other sportsbooks before and they were all friendly when I got limited and I had no problem withdrawing my money this is the first time I get an aggresive answer like this in my years of betting
This is the worst support I have ever seen, even the scam russian pages are more friendly than this Which casinos are these? And I assume you reached them through live support? Because this should be the first correspondence you have with a casino representative on the forum? Betcoin's representative whose been in touch with you, Emma, is actually polite, if we may infer from a snippet shown on your screenshot. All things considered, yes, David is still easily reachable. There are other casino representative on this forum who will blatantly ignore a scam accusation. One even specifically asked me to stop reaching them to ask them to resolve a case...which rather piled up [of which I obliged]. I used this because they ignore emails now, in the beginning they used to reply fast This is the first time I use a forum for this, all sportsbook let me withdrew normally after I got limited just after some emails, some took a few months tho like betsson Some of these sportsbooks: b365, betcris, vbet (same sportbook provider as betcoin), betsson , betsafe, 1xbet, goldenbet, unibet, betwarrior , sports888 Just a small list tbh Im always trying to find new sportsbook that are fine with winning players and so far the only crypto ones that dont limit are: betonline and sportsbetting And for fiat currency I use brokers Anyways if theres more ppl looking for legit sportsbook , imo betcoin is the worst one to deal with, only recreational players are welcome in their sportsbooks imo
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Oo...kay, you certainly know how to escalate things. I was thinking about a mediation by an arbitrator, like AG, before going that far, but as you've raised it to their licensor, betcoin --like other casinos-- will usually focus their resources on that resolution method and refrained from commenting further on any other media, given the decision made by the licensors are final.
As such, they'll usually --and justifiedly-- will not address anything further on this thread.
I hope you can update us with their final decision once it's made, though I am somewhat sure Betcoin.AG will update us if you don't, or --at the very least-- PM me with the result so I can update it on my list and the forum members will eventually learn about it.
I'd like to inform you that resolution time on a licensor is considerably longer than an arbitrator, like weeks. So if you don't get a reply within days, it's completely normal.
Tbh I had no clue what I was doing, and it looked easier to contact their licensor than an arbitrator. I was looking for help in this thread and the only answer I got was to contact a licensor or mediator, I have no Idea which mediator I could contact and since the licensor is on their webpage I contacted them. And np I will update with the results Umm... just to clarify, betcoin actually have one of the cleanest reputation when it comes to dispute. On this forum only, not one even left unattended, and they managed to mark every cases against them as "resolved", which rather impressive. Personally, if I ever want to scam a casino, I will not go with betcoin. They're... scary. [...] Is Davis the representative? His first answer was super aggresive so I find it hard to believe hes easy to deal with o,O Nope, no idea who Davis is. But, David? Yeah, he's the representative. And despite his outburst that he showed here, I have to agree with yahoo62278, he's actually easy to deal with. My communication with him on every cases I attended were satisfactory, he gave facts. Plain and simple, yet still friendly. Well, statistically speaking, I think almost every casino representative here are very well mannered. I guess he [and them] just have a short fuse for people who they're sure abusing their platform, or perhaps some severe allergies. It seems weird for me tbh, I had disputes with other sportsbooks before and they were all friendly when I got limited and I had no problem withdrawing my money this is the first time I get an aggresive answer like this in my years of betting This is the worst support I have ever seen, even the scam russian pages are more friendly than this
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Can the representative explain to me how can someone cheat placing 4 nba player prop bets?
Why would I multi account on a shady page that love to hold peoples money when they beat them on sportsbook?
They have already stated they will not comment further on this matter. I personally have never faced an issue on betcoin. All the support people have answered any question I may have and David has been easy to deal with. I have never tried circumventing limits and made multiple accounts though. Likely the case with you, you got limited or something and thought you would make a new account and be good to go. Nope I never got limited on betcoin I know the rules of bookies and they dont like multiusers so I prefer to try new ones instead of multiaccounting thats why I tried betcoin Is Davis the representative? His first answer was super aggresive so I find it hard to believe hes easy to deal with o,O
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It doesn't interest me because I find it quite logical and explainable. They got suspicious with your account between the first withdrawal and the second. Hence, the KYC was only requested by the second withdrawal. Even if it's not the second withdrawal, it's something inevitable. Suppose that they ask for KYC during your 11th withdrawal, the question then will be "why do they ask me on my 11th and not the first ten?" Or if they asked for it right from your first one, the question will be, "they asked KYC for 700 USD withdrawal?"
There is no end to this, don't you agree?
It looks more like they used it as a bait for me to deposit again and they freeroll'd me like how they did. Tbh I think they only let me withdrew because my account was a losing account until the second withdraw, this is a common tactic used by scam websites like 1xbet IMO betcoin selective scam sportsbook winners , they dont care about winners in casino because they know they will get their money back due to the nature of their negative roi games
Betcoin.AG, I will have to agree with this one, to avoid the suspicion of selective scamming, can you please be a bit more precise and add 1,900 to the pool instead of 1,400? While for OP, I believe betcoin's representative has offered you a solution to get things more binding? Aren't you going to consider to pursue this path? I dont think it matters Its just a small % of a prizepool, they are just basically giving cashback to casino players that dont understand how casino games works Uhh and yeah I contacted their licensor How come they dont want to compare their kyc to my binance kycs? Binance made me send a lot of documents and they verify that theres no multiusers and IMO they are a more serious platform than betcoin You do know that they different entities right? How do you propose they compare the KYC in Binance and in Betcoin? I'm pretty sure those type of documents are not just out in the open to be shared. It's between the user and the entity. No one should be comparing with another entity. OR Possibly your documents were used on Betcoin already. That just explains why you were tagged as multi-user. They can check my personal info and see thats verified just with my p2p profile
Can the representative explain to me how can someone cheat placing 4 nba player prop bets? Why would I multi account on a shady page that love to hold peoples money when they beat them on sportsbook?
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[I am quoting the post in whole to give audience a better understanding of what I mean] This... these are interesting. Let me start with the thread you read as a guide, I initially suspected that you read that one, but I wanted to be sure. An interesting point worth to mention is that the guide actually only instructed you to copy and paste the link generated by imgbb, the OP failed to mention that he added extra code on his guide, namely, ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftalkimg.com%2Fimages%2F2024%2F04%2F05%2FV5Qk1.jpeg&t=663&c=SCPrDWiRv6PvzA) As you can see, on step three he wrote that all you need is copy, go to your page and paste, and on step four he actually added "center" code, but he didn't write that on his instruction. Yet, you're so clearly managed to copy that exact instruction, as shown by the full code of your original image, [center][url=https://ibb.co/dBZzc1L][img]https://i.ibb.co/4Wk5f9Y/image.png[/img][/url][/center]
One may assume and argue that you're simply a careful reader, that you look closely to the image provided and realized the missing code. Yet at the same time, if we follow the assumption that you're a careful reader, how could you missed four posts below the one you linked [the one that explains newbie needs to pay], that suggest images to be uploaded through a website that's built by our community member? This is rather contradictive with the trait of a careful reader. But let's keep that for a moment and go on with the next point. As posted in full above, you fluently utilize horizontal line and snipping quotes, breaking my post into points to address the points I raised. You learned those format... from my post? Quite a brilliant newbie who is very clueless about the forum's feature that he needs to [thoroughly] read a guide about posting image, isn't it? Now, if we consider that all of those knowledge are from your other, much older account... well, multi-acc itself is not prohibited by the forum, many users utilize alt-account from time to time when they want to make controversial posts but concerned that it'll backfired and ruined their reputation. But, for someone who's being accused by a casino for multi-acc, if he's not the wrong party here, that he does not abuse the casino's rule, I think --and most logic dictate-- he'll very much prefer to complaint with his older account, which arguably hold better credibility than a newly created account. Unless... he can't post with his older account for some reason? Say, like, he already have a bad reputation with that older account? Food for thought. Im a software engineer so I have no problem learning how to quote and doing horizontal lines just by doing quotes due to those being basic html formats... I added the img/center tags to try to see how it looks when I clic on preview and I gave up after I saw that post that I linked Theres no reason for me to make a new account to post this stuff, I should be the only peruvian on this forum with crypto/sportsbetting / html knowledge because people in my country are clueless about tech stuff plus it should be easy to verify my ip and see how many peruvians are on this forum with my knowledge o,O Why isnt it interesting to you that they paied me 700$ and after 16 hours I requested a 1900$ withdrawal and they didn't pay? How come they dont want to compare their kyc to my binance kycs? Binance made me send a lot of documents and they verify that theres no multiusers and IMO they are a more serious platform than betcoin IMO betcoin selective scam sportsbook winners , they dont care about winners in casino because they know they will get their money back due to the nature of their negative roi games
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They are giving 1400$ back with leaderboards meaning people are forced to play a lot to get them, all casinos games have a negative return on investment so I dont think this affects them at all.
There was already a $25,000 prize pool, which people are highly interested in. The extra $1400 is just the icing on the cake. It will be distributed by random drawing among the players who who already receiving leaderboard prizes and we will post the payouts on our thread for transparency. Yea adding 5% to the prizepool doenst affect a casino at all, most of casino online games have a roi of -8% so its like whatever for them I think the representative just wanted to mock me
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Thanks
And yea when i was reading the guide on how to upload images it said that newbies had to pay o,O
I forgot to add all my deposits/withdrawals went trhough my personal binance account which kyc is way better than betcoins
Hmm... quite interesting answer. Which guide is it that you read? If you don't mind me ask further. This thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5297889.msg55775634#msg55775634Cant the admin on this forum check which threads I checked before I made my thread? I find it amusing that the betcoing representative think im not new because I read a post before doing my thread, cant the admin come and check this ? [...] I hope people can notice that your answer makes no sense at all, this is the worst answer I got from any sportsbook since I started placing bets like 8 years ago Umm... why would they selectively scammed you if the same amount that's being denied from you were generously given back to their gamblers? In a sense, they're making a point. They can't provide their findings here due to security and privacy concern. Thus, they take a long way around this by making a statement, as above. They are holding 19LTC from me which was around 1900$ when I tried to withdraw, its not 1400$. The picture of 1400$ is When I made my first withdraw: On April 2nd I hit 1400$ which is the picture After that I withdrew 700$ (my balance was 700$ now ) I place 3 bets with 700$ , I ran out of money so I deposited 500$ more and make 1 more bet At the end of the day I win 3/4 bets and my account hits 1900$~ I wanted to exchange it so I withdrew all before depositing again and my account gets disabled
They are giving 1400$ back with leaderboards meaning people are forced to play a lot to get them, all casinos games have a negative return on investment so I dont think this affects them at all.
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