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21  Economy / Securities / Re: Creative Mining Official IPO thread on: November 13, 2014, 06:17:18 PM
Dear Shareholders,

Creative Mining management team held initial meeting last friday regarding the future of our mining facility in Bochum. We have decided we will use our mining profit and re-investment funds to expand mining operation in to living quarters of our underground facility. This will give us about 40m2 of space and allow us to use the full advantage of free electricity grid. We have already purchased the racking system, fire suppression unit, 3x 12" server extraction units, electrical wiring and power strips. We are currently in the process of evaluating our power usage to maximize the outcome.

We are considering launching our own cloud mining service after the Initial Public Offering shares are sold. Creative Mining board meeting will be scheduled for next week.

Additionally, we have just received our 5 (five) AntMiners S3 from Mariusz and another order was placed with BitmainTech re-seller for 12 (twelve) AntMiners S4. These will be deployed once We have the 2nd server room ready. More updates will follow.

We have engaged in conversation with one of the leading marketing firms. Creative Mining will soon be launching it's own marketing campaign. Stay tuned.

Creative Mining

"The future is bright"

It sounds like you will no longer be paying dividends. Is that accurate?

What does "expand mining operation in to living quarters" mean? Are you living at the facility underground?

Creative Mining dividend payouts will continue as per contract.

It simply means We are using the profit We have made so far to expand our mining facility. Yes, the living quarters were initially created for the operators to stay overnight. The space was also used as storage room for boxes and spare equipment.

Does that mean the profit that you designate for 're-investment' or is the money coming from somewhere else?
22  Other / Politics & Society / Re: 'Proof that Monster Energy Drink is Satanic' -Christian Lady on: November 13, 2014, 06:15:52 PM
My favorite part is when she flips the can upside down to take a mock drink. "Bottoms up. And the devil is laughing."

Someone is laughing all right, but it's us, at you.
23  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Obama Prepares Amnesty Plan on: November 12, 2014, 08:11:39 PM
The last 100 years have been a steady progression in the expansion of executive power. In terms of the history of this country, the idea that the president is expected to wield as much power as he does is relatively new. It was never intended to be this way, but as the progression has been gradual, we've been acclimated to it. When things are going wrong, the public wants one person to have the power to 'fix it,' and someone to blame when it's not. Basically, we want to elect our king and expect him not to be corruptible by the power he wields, but when in the history of the world has this ever been the case?

No, we have not been acclimatized to it.  No, we don't want one person to fix it.  No, we don't want to elect our king.

The ABUSE of executive power by Obama is widely acknowledged and is completely unprecedented.

Except when Bush was treading on the Constitution by doing all the same things Obama has done. Except when Reagan was sending troops into conflict without authorization from Congress. Except when FDR created the New Deal and interfered with the Supreme Court in order to implement it. Except when Lincoln suspended habeas corpus. Except when Jackson enacted martial law or openly defied the Supreme Court.

Yeah, please tell me again how Obama's power grabs are "completely unprecedented."   Roll Eyes
24  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Obama Prepares Amnesty Plan on: November 12, 2014, 07:59:35 PM
The Nobel Prize winner will fix it....
Obama's nobel prize was actually revoked.

Wth, no it wasn't.  Huh
Yes, the nobel committee asked for it back, essentially revoking it

http://www.thefinaledition.com/article/nobel-committee-asks-obama-nicely-to-return-peace-prize.html

This was the 2nd result (below wikipedia) when searching google for 'obama nobel peace prize'

Gosh, I hate to break this to you, but that's a satire site. This passage of the article gives it away:

But, he revealed the committee members were all “legless drunk” the day they voted, as it was the start of Norway’s annual aquavit-tasting festival. The “totally toasted” members listened over and over to replays of Obama’s Cairo speech, tearing up and drinking shots to the glorious future: a black man leading America and the world into a new era of peace, hope and goodwill. “For a few hours we were all 18 year-old students again at the beautiful, occasionally sunny University of Bergen! Oh, how we cried for joy!”

But in case you need explicit proof, see this: http://www.thefinaledition.com/page/why-we-are.html

Obama was not asked for his Nobel Prize back.
25  Other / Politics & Society / 'Proof that Monster Energy Drink is Satanic' -Christian Lady on: November 12, 2014, 07:54:29 PM
Well guys, I'm not going to spoil the joy of watching this little presentation by summarizing it. Suffice it to say, you have to experience it for yourself. You won't be disappointed. What I find most enjoyable about it is how certain she is that she's cracked the code. (2 minute video)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bntfUA6TmLs
26  Other / Off-topic / Re: Fun facts on: November 12, 2014, 07:39:02 PM
AIDS and Ebola are engineered diseases to keep the population down or to make the drug companies rich.
I dont agree with the fact that its invented to keep population down because they are not helping at all population is still growing nonstop.

Dear god, please don't validate the point as worthy of discussion by trying to raising a valid criticism of the idea.
27  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Barriers to introducing people to bitcoin on: November 12, 2014, 07:34:26 PM
When bitcoins are loaned by their miners with interest to be paid in bitcoins, they will find their bottom—both ethically and monetarily.

What's wrong with loaning bitcoins? Loans have been around for as long as there was money. No reason to think the rise of bitcoin would end the demand for loans.

Quote from: Charles Eisenstein, Sacred Economics: Chapter 12, Negative-Interest Economics link=http://sacred-economics.com/sacred-economics-chapter-12-negative-interest-economics/
In a world where the things we need and use go bad, sharing comes naturally. The hoarder ends up sitting alone atop a pile of stale bread, rusty tools, and spoiled fruit, and no one wants to help him, for he has helped no one. Money today, however, is not like bread, fruit, or indeed any natural object. It is the lone exception to nature’s law of return, the law of life, death, and rebirth, which says that all things ultimately return to their source. Money does not decay over time, but in its abstraction from physicality, it remains changeless or even grows with time, exponentially, thanks to the power of interest.

Monetary gain, within the context of “loaning,” is, traditionally, realized via positive interest—which is an artificial scarcity. Artificial scarcity reserves, for itself, resources that, without its imposition, could be allocated to greater machinations.

Obviously if I'm taking a loan, I know I have to pay it back with interest, which means I will have less money later. That means I've made the decision that having the money now is more important than having more money later. Again, why is that bad?
28  Economy / Securities / Re: Creative Mining Official IPO thread on: November 12, 2014, 07:32:05 PM
Dear Shareholders,

Creative Mining management team held initial meeting last friday regarding the future of our mining facility in Bochum. We have decided we will use our mining profit and re-investment funds to expand mining operation in to living quarters of our underground facility. This will give us about 40m2 of space and allow us to use the full advantage of free electricity grid. We have already purchased the racking system, fire suppression unit, 3x 12" server extraction units, electrical wiring and power strips. We are currently in the process of evaluating our power usage to maximize the outcome.

We are considering launching our own cloud mining service after the Initial Public Offering shares are sold. Creative Mining board meeting will be scheduled for next week.

Additionally, we have just received our 5 (five) AntMiners S3 from Mariusz and another order was placed with BitmainTech re-seller for 12 (twelve) AntMiners S4. These will be deployed once We have the 2nd server room ready. More updates will follow.

We have engaged in conversation with one of the leading marketing firms. Creative Mining will soon be launching it's own marketing campaign. Stay tuned.

Creative Mining

"The future is bright"

It sounds like you will no longer be paying dividends. Is that accurate?

What does "expand mining operation in to living quarters" mean? Are you living at the facility underground?
29  Other / Politics & Society / Re: It's Illegal to Feed the Homeless in Florida... WTF? on: November 12, 2014, 07:21:41 PM
wow another reason to not live in florida.... Thats the most insane law I have heard of

Some of the bylaws cities and states create in the US are just plain weird.
The homeless people ban is one of them, but I like the beach party comparison ^^.

I don't know about laws, but stuff similar to this doesn't happen only in Florida. Wasn't it in the UK that some people started installing anti-homeless spikes on the ground outside the buildings? And something like it was going on in Chicago as well.

YES! I remember reading about that. Apparently, it's a problem in Canada too:  https://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/dailybrew/london-criticized-anti-homeless-spikes-canada-better-174042472.html


There are similar "spikes" under bridges and benches are designed so it is not possible to sleep on them in many cities across the US. These kinds of things are going to give people incentives to get "off the street"

How does this give them an incentive to get off the street? If they responded to a simple incentive, you'd think being homeless would be it. This kind of comment ignores the fact that homelessness isn't just a case of being lazy or choosing not to work. It's often a slew of circumstances beyond their control, with a high incidence of mental health disorders, that makes 'being homeless' anything but a choice. These spikes are just inhumane and the advocates are the type of people who will victim-blame someone for being homeless.
30  Other / Politics & Society / Re: It's Illegal to Feed the Homeless in Florida... WTF? on: November 12, 2014, 07:18:06 PM

It baffles me how a 'republican' state like Florida allows the passage of a law making private charity to the homeless illegal, but republicans are constantly up in arms about the government giving handouts to poor people and how the poor are just leeches on the productive members of society. If private charities want to help people, don't make it illegal.

This law is bullshit.

It baffles me how you immediately turn this into something political. The article says the people violated a city ordinance which "bans the public sharing of food." Is this a passive-aggressive way of stopping people from feeding the homeless? Maybe. But it has nothing to do with Republicans, especially considering the mayor of Ft. Lauderdale is a Democrat (not to mention one who opposes same-sex marriage... Uh Oh! http://www.browardbeat.com/fort-lauderdale-mayor-harmed-by-anti-lgbt-vote/).

Can't share food in public, what do you think this sis, a free country? if you think this ordinance is about sharing food and not criminalizing homelessness, you're a bit naive not to see the politics of it.  Roll Eyes
The law is not about sharing food in public, it is about distributing it in a way that people assume it is safe to consume. There are regulations regarding the distribution of food in order to help keep consumers safe from food borne illnesses that can be very harmful and that consumers have little other way to protect themselves against

Come on, you believe that's true? I guess any little league teams in that city should stop distributing snacks after the game because they aren't in compliance with the law, right? I mean, the law is there to keep people safe from people who distribute food that can't be trusted because it doesn't have the city's stamp of approval on it that it's safe.

That's not at all the case. If a cop saw one of the parents distributing the team snack and some guy giving a homeless man the same snack, only one of them is getting arrested for violating the law, because only one of them is the intended target of the law.
31  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Today was a good day... on: November 12, 2014, 07:14:10 PM


Obama Flashback: ‘If you don’t like my policies, go out there and win an election.’


The following clip is from October 17, 2013. The government shutdown, during which Obama’s government had locked veterans out of their own memorials and shut down self-sufficient businesses in national parks, had just ended.

President Obama reacted by challenging his opponents to win elections.

And we responded: Challenge accepted!

The 2014 midterms saw Republicans capture the Senate, take over the entire government of the state of Nevada, and sweep Democrats out of state legislatures across the country. The GOP victory is so sweeping that it may damage Democrats for years, even decades, to come — according to the leftists at Vox.

On October 17, 2013, President Obama said: “You don’t like a particular policy or a particular president? Then argue for your position. Go out there and win an election. Push to change it. But don’t break it. Don’t break what our predecessors spent over two centuries building. That’s not being faithful to what this country’s about.”

Obama’s threat to carry out a unilateral amnesty for millions of illegal aliens threatens the system that he claimed to defend just over a year ago. And he is well aware of that.

http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2014/11/06/obama-flashback-if-you-dont-like-my-policies-go-out-there-and-win-an-election/



I guess they did that. Too bad Republicans are the only other choice.
While both parties are somewhat similar as neither party wants to have any kind of radical changes to the US they are different on many issues and there are also many public officials that do not affiliate with either party

On the biggest issues, I don't see much difference. Pro-war, anti-privacy, pro-Big Government, pro-deficit spending. Also, not many lawmakers on the national level that do not affiliate with either party. If you can name 5 Congressmen (out of 535!) who aren't Democrats or Republicans, I'd consider that a lot!
32  Other / Politics & Society / Re: ‘Democracy Alliance Network’ Behind A Third Of 2014 Super Pac Spending on: November 12, 2014, 07:10:50 PM
Are we surprised both parties have extremely wealthy people spending outrageous sums of money to try and sway elections?

I'm not.

Are we surprised the democrats would be accusing the republicans of getting evil money while doing the same thing and outspending them many fold?

I am not.
The dems actually outspent the republicans overall and outspent them in many competitive races that the republicans ended up winning.

The reason why democrats cry wolf about "evil money" is because it comes from corporations and business groups when it goes to republicans, however the large sums of money that democrats receive generally come from labor groups which is not considered "evil money" in the eyes of democrats

No doubt the democrats have done a better job villifying corporate spending. Labor unions are a huge special interest, and just as corrupt as corporations. Any time you get a group with that much money or support, they become concerned with keeping their political power. Doesn't matter if it's a union, for-profit corporation, non-profit corporation, church, or whatever. All powerful groups become obsessed with keeping/increasing their power, and this leads them to do evil things in pursuit of that.
33  Other / Off-topic / Re: Fun facts on: November 12, 2014, 07:05:23 PM
AIDS and Ebola are engineered diseases to keep the population down or to make the drug companies rich.

This is supposed to be a fun thread. Take your BS to one of the conspiracy threads. Ask for Dank over there. He'll ask you for money, but just ignore that. Tell him you wear a shiny hat made of foil. He'll embrace you immediately.
34  Other / Off-topic / Re: Fun facts on: November 12, 2014, 07:03:57 PM
One person died ever 15 seconds in World War I.

It's really sad, but when you say it that way, it doesn't sound like a lot compared to the numbers you see of the dead. I've been so desensitized to how deadly those wars were and seeing the figures of millions upon millions dead, every 15 seconds just seems low.
35  Other / Politics & Society / Re: This is all down to socialism on: November 12, 2014, 06:55:43 PM
I agree with your assessment, but I think the reason you don't see strong state socialism in a strong democracy is that the state is too corrupted in such a situation. Those with power are seldom (if ever) in the same boat with the people they make the rules for, but with state socialism this disparity is even less tolerable since the the point of the system is to share the means of production much more equitably than ever happens.

I sort of agree. If you look at the Soviet Union for example, it was pretty far from what a socialist society is supposed to be. Workers had no control over means of production, or much of anything else really. It was more of a totalitarian state. But you have to remember there are several ways to achieve socialism, not just through state socialism. Libertarian socialism for example, specifically rejects the idea of using existing state structures to achieve socialism, tries to avoid large concentrations of power, and instead focuses on more direct forms of democracy.

USSR was absolutely a totalitarian state. Socialism can only work when it's voluntary. State socialism is imposed through force, and it can never work because it is stealing by nature of it being non-voluntary. If you had a voluntary society, socialism could work, but I doubt it is ever practical because human beings are hard-wired to be selfish. Voluntary socialism requires unanimity, which seems unlikely except in small groups. I can't see it working voluntarily for a complex society or entire nation. It only takes one person to disagree to make the system not unanimous, and therefore not completely voluntary.
36  Other / Politics & Society / Re: This is all down to socialism on: November 09, 2014, 05:49:47 AM
socialism is understood that considers all of the ownership of this world is shared ownership, no private rights exist in socialism, private ownership is taboo in socialism, so it will be very difficult to understand socialism to have privacy.

This understanding is very difficult to be applied to the idea of democracy, the idea of democracy is still recognizes that there is privacy on the individual person, but between democracy and socialism have in common one considers that the voice of the people is the voice of god ...  Roll Eyes

A lot of confusion there. As the previous user said, you can have personal property in socialism and you can most certainly have privacy. What you can't have is private ownership of the means of production. Workers would own and manage their work places. And production would be directed for consumption, and not for gaining profit. In this sense, socialism isn't incompatible with democracy but simply a different way to run a society, while trying to minimize inequality.

I agree with your assessment, but I think the reason you don't see strong state socialism in a strong democracy is that the state is too corrupted in such a situation. Those with power are seldom (if ever) in the same boat with the people they make the rules for, but with state socialism this disparity is even less tolerable since the the point of the system is to share the means of production much more equitably than ever happens.
37  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The French people are now rejecting the 13 inbred Terrorist European Bloodlines. on: November 09, 2014, 05:39:40 AM
The only good law is the common law. France is not a common law nation, except that if one wanted to get to the core division between civil law and natural law, he would wind up with common law. But this is a hard thing to do in a civil law nation.

So, what is common law... the common law of the people? It is law that allows freedom among the people in every form as long as a person's freedom does not:
1. harm another person;
2. damage the property of another person;
3. break a contract.
That's it.

Make the government do only one thing among the people it governs. Make it to judge the above 3 things fairly and rightly. That's it. No other laws.

The way to make it happen is to give the common people the best guns, lots of ammo, and training on how to use their guns. If this is done, here's what will happen.

The people will get rid of the only thing that wants to make trouble for them, their own government. THEY will FORM the new government that does nothing except to judge between petty arguments and disagreements between the people.

The benefit will be wealth for all, because the people will not have to pay the taxes that are used to support the wealthy who get rich by being the civil law government.

Smiley

I think you mean natural law, not common law. Common law is the semi-formal system of laws that are enacted by the judiciary through the establishment of legal precedents.
38  Other / Politics & Society / Re: ‘Democracy Alliance Network’ Behind A Third Of 2014 Super Pac Spending on: November 09, 2014, 05:33:15 AM
Are we surprised both parties have extremely wealthy people spending outrageous sums of money to try and sway elections?

I'm not.
39  Other / Off-topic / Re: Scientific proof that God exists? on: November 09, 2014, 05:15:27 AM
Sorry dude, it's one thing to preach, and another to practice, your book means as much as your daily attendance at church, which is probably non-existant making all your bible bashin shit nothing more than a mute point.. nowt mair than shit talkin fi a wannab preist, who knows nothing of getting folks to buy said trash book. Your tbh, fuckin uselss arguments for the SCIENTIFIC proof of god do nothin but make more people say, fuck church.. fuck the bible.. you are a coward who knows when to shut up.. when the rest remind you that your book is nothing but fuckin poison. As can clearly be read in your words. Sittin there thinkin your gods gift to whatever claiming others are occultists.. you cant even recognise athiests DONT believe in god, and occultists DO, so what is it fuckwit, think you can change subject anytime ya want? Thats why i STAY AWAY FROM CHURCH, FOR FEAR OF IDIOTS LIKE YOU.

"Knowledge puffeth up, but love builds up."

How high do you want to be built, Decky?

 Kiss

EDIT: How does an atheist know that he is an atheist? He doesn't, since he has no proof that God doesn't exist. But, he confirms that God exists by taking on the role of a god when he says that God doesn't exist. In other words, he is placing himself in the position of a god by making a determination that only God can make.

Atheists are ignorant hypocrites, and they don't even know it.

EDIT: If atheists were simply atheists, because nobody told them about God or atheism, they might stand a chance of being atheists. But when they make the claim, they are putting themselves up as a god by have the god-like quality of making some kind of a claim for anything, even for atheism.

Denying the existence of god does not make you a god. Your attempt to do semantic gymnastics in order to assert that an atheist not believing in god actually confirms god makes absolutely no sense. That's one of the most absurd lines of logic that has been posted in this thread.
40  Other / Off-topic / Re: Scientific proof that God exists? on: November 09, 2014, 05:12:26 AM
Using your own argument, that would mean that 'god the father' could not exist since he would first need to make the universe and then his son (to be a father). Regardless, I can equally assert that spaghetti exists only because the FSM created it in his own image, the same way christians insist they are created in god's image. No more contradiction. Bottom line is, that when it comes to god, there's no (scientific) way to (prove or) disprove it's existance, regardless of which god(s) your are talking about, which is the whole premise behind Russell's teapot. (Just for sake of argument, you cannot view the entire solar system through the Hubble telescope at once, nevermind a teapot god that may wish to remain undiscovered.)

With all due respect, this discussion only digressed somewhat to semantics since you were implying these terms mean something they do not. I am not arbitrarily saying anything and have already linked sources to the validity my assertions. If you insist you can arbitrarily give words their meanings, then I suppose I have nothing left say.

I'm hardly arbitrarily giving words meaning when I quote the definition of 'god' from a dictionary reference and then apply that definition in context.  But, then again, I'm not attempting to prove the existence of God, I'm simply arguing that the FSM is a bad analogy.  It's a bad analogy specifically because analogies only work if the characteristics of the things being compared are similar.

Am I missing the point of the analogy? I thought these things were always brought up in the same abstract vein; that is, you can't prove god exists any more than you can disprove there is a teapot/FSM/whatever-else. The analogy isn't about which mythical creature exists or what properties and powers it may or may not have, it's about the existence of mythical creatures period. From this view, I think the analogy is fine.

It's not fine because god is not a 'creature.'  Again, the problem with the analogy is that it tries to back a theist into a corner that doesn't exist by assuming that empiricism is the only means by which you can prove the existence of God when what we're really exploring is a totally abstract concept.  It simply doesn't work.  Imagine if I likened, for example, the abstract laws of mathematics to a "mythical creature" or the FSM or a space teapot.  Would you let me get away with such an analogy?

FSM or the 'Teapot' aren't creatures either. They're gods. Analogy seems find to me.

So you're telling me the FSM is not made of spaghetti, can't fly, and is not a monster, all of which would invoke conditionality and therefore render it impossible of being a monotheistic god?  And when Richard Dawkins asks us to imagine the assertion of a teapot existing in some unknown extra-planetary orbit that he's talking about an abstract teapot around some abstract orbit?

The ways in which we are asked to consider the FSM and teapot are irrelevant to the debate about the existence of God.  They aren't asserted to be some conditional form, like Jesus, that an omnipotent God would be able to assume if it chose.  The FSM and teapot would make better analogies for Jesus than God.

So yes, it's a bad analogy.  It's a dead argument before it even gets off the ground.  You're better off just arguing against the assertion of what God actually is according to whoever it is you're arguing against.

Ah, are you then referring to the existence of "god" vs. the existence of "God?" The former being a concept and the latter being a specific deity, such as the Christian or Muslim or what-have-you? I'm not sure it matters anyway, but if you're referring to the second, the analogy is a match.
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