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21  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ARK - Blockchains Interoperability with SmartBridge 🔹 ARK on BiTTREX 🔹 on: May 09, 2017, 08:33:09 AM
It looks like there is another lag disaster happen at poloniex, and it brings enough impact to all the coins that listed on poloniex  Grin

Lucky we have not been listing there yet  Grin
I'm sure the volume will flow to bittrex soon,
And maybe that is the time for ARK and other potential coins on bittrex will rising  Grin
22  Local / Altcoins (Bahasa Indonesia) / Re: 🔹🅰RK🔹 [ANN]Interoperabilitas Blockchain dengan SmartBridge 🔹ARK di BiTTREX🔹 on: May 09, 2017, 01:09:57 AM
Roadmap barunya unyu2 om. Lebih gampang untuk mengintip progres perkembangan mereka. Ane kira tadinya digarap satu per satu, gak taunya borongan.

iya om..progress nya positif, cuma sayange tu pausnya kyke agak gak kompak  Grin Cheesy tiap ada berita positif bukannya nge pump malah ngedump  Cheesy
dari kmrn ga dikasi lewat sdikitpun buat naik..tiap naik dikit ditimpuk...naik dikit timpuk  Cheesy Grin
skrg malah diganjeli 25 BTC di 15K ..hadeh.. Cheesy kyke emng suka main kasar pausnya...
mudah2an aja berpindah tangan 25 BTC nya biar diambil alih paus lain yg lbh baik hati...
klo kejebol tembok 25 BTC nya mudah2an aja berangkat lagi kapalnya buat ngetest 20K
23  Local / Altcoins (Bahasa Indonesia) / Re: 🔹🅰RK🔹 [ANN]Interoperabilitas Blockchain dengan SmartBridge 🔹ARK di BiTTREX🔹 on: May 08, 2017, 04:47:10 PM
sy bantuin update berita om  Grin Cheesy




You asked for it, we provided - more interactive and informative roadmap now available on :

https://ark.io/roadmap




Tomorrow 9th May, 9am PST, we are hosting 'Ask Me Anything' with the creator of JavaScript programming language & co-founder of Mozilla / Firefox, Brendan Eich (https://twitter.com/brendaneich) in our ARK Slack for  their upcoming https://basicattentiontoken.org/ project .


Join our Slack if you haven't yet: https://ark.io/slack

Also retweet to help spread the word:  https://twitter.com/ArkEcosystem/status/861611978908999681  

24  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: Ada gak di antara agan sekalian yang berminat untuk membuat sebuah project on: May 08, 2017, 05:51:08 AM
boleh tuh om kyknya dicoba...kalo bisa dikasi nama yg agak ke-indonesia2an om
contoh = kimcil coin  Grin Cheesy atau CABE << ni rada keren kyknya.. dibaca keibhh  Cheesy harapannya koinnya jg bs sering meroket kyk harga cabe

klo gak ya dikasi nama UPIL  jg kyknya lumayan bagus  Cheesy
filosofi,cita2 n harapannya di masa depan = mudah2an aja koin ini nantinya bisa dekat dihati semua org seperti halnya upil di dunia nyata Cheesy
semua orang punya UPIL, bisa menyimpan dan pegang UPIL,  Cheesy
bisa buang UPIL dimana aja (buat dipake sebagai alat pembayaran maksudnya) Grin
lebih seru lg klo UPIL nya bisa ditambang  Cheesy nambang UPIL = NGUPIL  Cheesy

gimana kira2??


25  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ARK - Blockchains Interoperability with SmartBridge 🔹 ARK on BiTTREX 🔹 on: May 07, 2017, 11:46:13 PM
By looking at all the good work of the team and the positive direction, I wondered why somebody keep tryng to pressed the price down, which I saw in the long run is just a possibility to climb, so during the low price I only see it as an opportunity to get more ARK at cheap price, And I will always wait with confidence

Bittrex volumes also look good today, I'm sure one day large volumes will flow there if bittrex v2 is already running. And bittrex became a new playground for all whales

Who takes this chance I am sure he will win in the end  Grin




26  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ARK - Blockchains Interoperability with SmartBridge 🔹 ARK on BiTTREX 🔹 on: May 06, 2017, 11:37:34 AM
420 but most  like it 4:20 right ?Smiley there's a trick somewhere Smiley)

So maybe is this a clue about something? Grin

I will be prepared for whatever it is Grin
27  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ARK - Blockchains Interoperability with SmartBridge 🔹 ARK on BiTTREX 🔹 on: May 05, 2017, 05:20:58 PM
Sorry for noob question, If i want new address, have to create new account, with new password, yes? I would like to vote for 2 delegates and to split, so I support both.

yes, just create another new wallet address and keep the passphrase Smiley
28  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ARK - Blockchains Interoperability with SmartBridge 🔹 ARK on BiTTREX 🔹 on: May 05, 2017, 09:01:32 AM
the bull is coming  Cheesy
go..go..go..
run..run..run

29  Local / Altcoins (Bahasa Indonesia) / Re: 🔹🅰RK🔹 [ANN]Interoperabilitas Blockchain dengan SmartBridge 🔹ARK di BiTTREX🔹 on: May 05, 2017, 05:22:23 AM
ada yg nge pump ARK pake DOGE di cryptopia   Cheesy







30  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ARK - Blockchains Interoperability with SmartBridge 🔹 ARK on BiTTREX 🔹 on: May 05, 2017, 05:02:23 AM



Yay!!!!!!  Grin

Just a random dude wanna make fun of us  Cheesy

ROFL, for some moment i thought it was real LOL


someday maybe it can be real
It's like seeing the future with a time machine  Grin Cheesy Cheesy
31  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ARK - Blockchains Interoperability with SmartBridge 🔹 ARK on BiTTREX 🔹 on: May 05, 2017, 01:56:38 AM


Yeah, Bittrex is pretty good for now as the volume is fairly consistent and the price held well even as BTC rose quite a bit in the last few days. I noticed Ark is back on the first page on Bittrex - maybe it's time for its next leg up?

Poloniex just delisted many coins, so it is possible for Ark to be added next.

I hope also, in my opinion, if we can break that 17500 satoshi, it may be a good sign for the next leg up, Grin

But let the market decide
32  Local / Altcoins (Bahasa Indonesia) / Re: ASK- Apa ada tempat pertukaran USDT ke IDR ? on: May 05, 2017, 12:08:30 AM
ada gan setau ane USDT polo tapi
tapi cuma di exchanger perseorangan, dulu pernah liat ayoungchanger yg nrima USDT
tp ga tau kalo sekarang Smiley

iya betul om... di ayoungchanger atau mungkin jg di ahaschanger

dan berhubung di exchanger perseorangan tentu rate jualnya sdh disesuaikan dg kebijakan masing2 exchanger td,
mengingat nimbun USDT jg sbnrnya trmasuk spekulasi, Grin mengingat yg ditimbun mereka bkn asset yg liquid sebagamana real fiat currency USD
33  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ARK - Blockchains Interoperability with SmartBridge 🔹 ARK on BiTTREX 🔹 on: May 04, 2017, 10:42:44 PM

Exactly! If you buy Bitcoins, you will earn from it's price growth. But if you buy ARK, you will earn from both currencies price growth Wink

Yes that's right, it's great for hedging,
Because there is still plenty of room to grow along with the progress of existing development

Other than that it seems also still available empty spot market in polo after they remove 17 altcoin from there, and maybe one day they are willing to take ARK  

So there are still many potential things that can be achieved later on
Lately I prefer bittrex over poloniex. I don't think Ark needs polo. polo needs Ark.  Wink

Maybe you're right, for the services, bittrex is still better than polo
Which became the charm of polo to this day maybe only its trading volumes

Hopefully one day that volume can flowing into bittrex,
and it may happen in the near future if the news about bittrex will upgrade and update their website layout is true

And the addition of the trollbox in bittrex may be one of a good choice of the solutions  Wink Grin
34  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ARK - Blockchains Interoperability with SmartBridge 🔹 ARK on BiTTREX 🔹 on: May 04, 2017, 12:55:11 PM

Exactly! If you buy Bitcoins, you will earn from it's price growth. But if you buy ARK, you will earn from both currencies price growth Wink

Yes that's right, it's great for hedging,
Because there is still plenty of room to grow along with the progress of existing development

Other than that it seems also still available empty spot market in polo after they remove 17 altcoin from there, and maybe one day they are willing to take ARK 

So there are still many potential things that can be achieved later on
35  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ARK - Blockchains Interoperability with SmartBridge 🔹 ARK on BiTTREX 🔹 on: May 03, 2017, 11:08:38 PM
any price predictions 1 month, 3 months and 1 year from now?

$50 1 year from now. BUY NOW while it's cheap  Wink
ARK $0.5 > $0.7 soon

*this pic taken at 16 april 2017

so i think Rank #20 at coinmarketcap may be a reasonable target, because a few days ago we were very close from there,  Grin

maybe this will happen in the near future, and from there maybe we can shake the crypto world Grin Wink

go...go ARK..!!
36  Local / Altcoins (Bahasa Indonesia) / Re: 🔹🅰RK🔹 [ANN]Interoperabilitas Blockchain dengan SmartBridge 🔹ARK di BiTTREX🔹 on: May 03, 2017, 04:51:15 AM
ngebaca postingan om candramm sama om dirgantara sepertinya beliau berdua ini trader" handal, sepertinya harus dipelajari prediksi"nya, beberapa hari kmrn ane fokus ke ANS sama SHIFT om, berhubung ane jarang sempet trade harian, koin" itu cukup aman untuk ane hold, ARK masih nunggu harga pas untuk masuk lagi, masih ragu mw restok karena BTC tiba" ngebut
Wakakakkakk...percuma ente muji2 om chan, darcrusnya sudah habis dijual, gak ada jatah gorengan lagi. Ane juga blm nyentuh ark, masih nunggu volume mencapai titik jenuh baru beli lagi. Hari ini lagi restok GUP, wings, edg sm nav. Pengen nimbun Ans tp apa daya modalnya sudah mepet.

terlanjur sakit hati ane sama nav, nyetok dari 3k tapi kejualnya ga diatas hiks, lumayan kmrn ANS naiknya om, entah kenapa ini koin misterius menurut ane, ya semoga aja bisa menggila harganya, tetep terus pingpong sambil ditabung
ARK kira" diharga berapaan ni om yang lumayan aman untuk mulai restok? biar bisa cari" tambahan dari pool sambil nunggu naik  Grin

Wakakakkk...napa om? Nunggu naiknya kelamaan? Soal ginian harusnya ente berguru sama om chan. Beliau itu kuat lho ngangkremin koin sampe 7 purnama penuh.
ANS ane kurang begitu paham, mungkin nanti ane lirik setelah selesai ngurusin anak2nya ETH. Klo ARK menurut ane sih 10k itu sudah floor, level aman 10-12k untuk target jangka panjang. Dan ane saat ini masih bertahan untuk nunggu di 10-11k, itu klo menurut ane lho. Tapi coba kita nanti dengar masukan juragan eh mantan juragan darcrus klo dia sudah online. Juragan yang satu itu agak unik, baru nongol klo sudah dibakarin menyan.

hayah...klo saya lbh pasnya trader cap kadal om, bukan trader handal  Cheesy

btw, itu SHIFT nya lompatnya jg gila2an om...udah panen raya kyke klo smpet nyetok lama

wkwk..pokoe sy ga mau kalah ma bang toyib, dia aja 3x lebaran 3x puasa betah gak pulang2 om Cheesy Grin
rekor ngangkremi terlama klo sy di LTC om, ada itu 1,5th an lbh ga dijual2 baru kejual kmrn Cheesy smpe nyaris jamuran saking lamanya ditimbun


kyke klo di ARK tinggal tunggu candle chart dailynya ijo pa merah hari ini...klo merah mngkin bisa pasang jaring di harga itu kyk kmrn om, sp tau bablas turun klo 10k ketembus Cheesy Grin
tapi klo candlenya ijo n berhasil nembus lbh dr 17500 kyke bs jd selanjutnya bs bablas naik lagi om Cheesy mudah2an meleset tebakannya, sy aja ngasal prediksinya...wkwkwk Cheesy

btw, katanya bittrex mau update/perbarui desain websitenya ya om? bner gak ya gosipnya?



37  Local / Altcoins (Bahasa Indonesia) / Re: Trading ALT = Judi ? on: May 02, 2017, 07:34:49 AM

Beda loh gan, kalau seumpaan dalam bahasa dagang - beli.
dimana kalau dagang biasanya bisa bentuk yang bisa di olah / beguna.
Coba bandingkan dengan agan membeli "ALT-koin" emang agan olah dimana? Mentok juga nunggu harga naik, jarang untuk digunakan lagi.


~
 
Berpatokanlah kepada altkoin sebagai sarana judi dimana didalam hanyalah ada aktifitas jual beli antara btc-altkoin dan mencari keuntungan bagi trader didalam (Yang jelas ada yang menang dan kalah didalam) dan komunitasnya, bukan membahas "bitcoin".

Btw, terimakasih sudah berbagi pengalamannya.

coba deh gan searching dulu di google  Smiley
saya pernah baca dulu kalo trading itu diperbolehkan oleh MUI
jdi gx mungkinlah trading sama dengan judi

Memang tidak salah kok untuk "trading". Tapi semua tergantung apa yang di "tradingkan". Paham kan?


jujur saya justru malah makin bingung dengan pemahaman definisi judi yg ingin agan jelaskan dan justru disematkan ke altcoin tapi dianggap gak berlaku buat bitcoin, padahal setau saya keduanya ya sama aja....

klo boleh tau utk definisi menang dan kalahnya di alts itu maksudnya gmn ya?
setau sy ketika trading/berdagang mau itu dagang konvensional, mau itu dagang altcoin maupun bitcoin semuanya sama aja pilihannya cm ada untung/profit dan rugi/loss... ga ada istilah menang dan kalah  Grin

makin dijelaskan malah sy jd makin bingung...kok jd makin ga ketemu titik berat judinya dimana... Grin klo dianggap alt cm bs dituker bitcoin..
bukankah skrg jg udah ada pair alts vs fiat currency jg di altcoin... contohnya LTC/CNY, LTC/EUR, LTC/USD, ETH/USD, ETH/AUD, ETH,EUR dll
dan semuanya sama aja kondisinya dg bitcoin  Grin

bisa keliling ke exchanger2 luar klo mau liat list pairnya satu persatu = https://exchangewar.info/

dimarket forex pun jg sama yg diperjualbelikan jg sebenernya cm kontrak jual beli..bukan mata uang aslinya...
makanya tiap order transaksi diitung menggunakan satuan lot
terus yg ditradingkan dsana itu jg apa cb? cuma angka digital bergerak2 dilayar khan yg dikejar penjual dan pembeli? Grin Cheesy









38  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ARK - Blockchains Interoperability with SmartBridge 🔹 ARK on BiTTREX 🔹 on: May 02, 2017, 03:41:03 AM
Does ARK have a chance to go to the POLO exchange? Now only in bittrex transactions?

i don't see it, polo need volume but currently ARK don't have it.

lol how much volume at bittrex do you need?  This month bittrex has seen some of the highest volume in a long time.  It just started having over 2k btc volume on some coins and we've had a 1k btc volume day in the short timeframe we've been out.  

Bittrex is about to release a new site and I think it will be amazing from the screenshots i've seen.  expect big things from bittrex this year.  Polo has some big competition.  

i think ark would probably need to be constant #1 or #2 on bittrex in order for this crap polo to pick it up.
this is very very good to know that bittrex have a new layout, this is what bittrex really needed in order for it to be number 1 again. one more thing is that bittrex need to make it harder for crap coins to get add and perhaps clean all the crap coins they now have.

good to know bittrex come with new layout, i hope it do have troll box.
all and all bittrex is a solid exchange. it have less problem than crap polo from my experience.

It sounds good, it seems to be an exciting competition  Grin
looks like the total volume on bittrex is also getting better day by day


Yeah, you are right, maybe bittrex need a trollbox feature,   Grin
So their website doesn't look too quiet  Cheesy
39  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ARK - Blockchains Interoperability with SmartBridge 🔹 ARK on BiTTREX 🔹 on: May 01, 2017, 11:44:37 PM
dude, through the encoded listeners which are nodes that listen for smartbridge code and relay processes to other blockchains.
Thats better.
So If I want to bridge between eth and btc, I send eth to the 'ark encoded listener' which then converts it into btc and sends
it to the btc block chain - without the need for any code injection in eth or btc wallet code.
Is this correct?

yeah basically that is one of two methods.  Encoded listener AND direct communication with the later being much further away than encoded listeners.

That's all you get from me.  You're lucky i'm in a good mood today.



It sounded like a good technology on paper and  I wanted to investigate a bit further before I put my money in.
I still dont get how you actually implement it, but I give up now.
As someone else mentioned above, usually you get good technical  explanations for your questions in the coin threads here.
But this was a totally different experience Sad No coin or technology is bigger than the community which adopts it.
Your attitude towards new on boarding members really sucks and it seems like you have to be in a good mood for a civilised conversation here.
Good luck with your coin.

-peace-



Relax bro, just be patient and give them time to finish what they do
maybe you should ask later if the smartbridge has been implemented,
So you will not be confused with the shadows in your mind when the thing you ask is already real in front of you.

If you demand a detailed explanation now, it's the same as you ask edison the detail about what is the lamp before the lamp is created, while the picture in your mind is still blurry about a lamp before edison creates it, and you will increasingly ask nonstop due to your own confusion. And edison will waste time debating and answering each of your questions, and it will probably make edison frustrating to create a lamp  Grin

So let edison create that lamp first, then you ask what makes you curious. Wink

I like cannabanana because he is a man who always talks as it is without seasoning sweeteners. He is also our protector, from trolls attacks  Grin Cheesy


so lets spread love and do not hate us
40  Local / Altcoins (Bahasa Indonesia) / Re: Trading ALT = Judi ? on: May 01, 2017, 02:30:41 AM

Beda loh gan, kalau seumpaan dalam bahasa dagang - beli.
dimana kalau dagang biasanya bisa bentuk yang bisa di olah / beguna.
Coba bandingkan dengan agan membeli "ALT-koin" emang agan olah dimana? Mentok juga nunggu harga naik, jarang untuk digunakan lagi.



anda pasti hanya berpatokan dg melihat kondisi bitcoin sekarang  Grin  

cb tengok 5 tahun sebelumnya sperti apa kondisinya ketika bitcoin blm dikenal luas, sblm bitcoin berkembang luas komunitas penggunanya.

5 tahun yg lalu setahu saya bitcoin jg sama aja kondisinya sebagaimana gambaran ttg Altcoin yg agan pahami dan jelaskan diatas, dlu bitcoin jg sama sperti itu...blm ada nilainya...blm dihargai sama sekali...mau dipake buat apa jg msh bingung buat apa gunanya...blm ada manfaat pastinya Grin

yg berani nyimpen bitcoin dlu ya sama aja sekedar spekulasi, krn ga bakal tau kedepannya bakal sperti apa, ga bakal menyangka klo bisa berkembang sperti skrg. apalagi bisa jd semahal skrg harganya.

dlu org jg byk yg sinis dan menganggap bitcoin itu tdk ada harganya...
di indonesia aja jg susah dlu ngejualnya.... awalnya blm ada satupun exchanger yg mau terima... Grin
klo mau dijadiin rupiah harus diputer2 dlu di exchanger2 luar, bisa dituker dlu jd webmoney lewat wallet WMX, ke liberty reserve dijual di MTgox, ditukar paypal di nanaimogold dll baru bisa ditukar jd rupiah di exchanger2 lokal di indonesia (exchanger2 forex dan online payment processor lokal)

seinget sy bitcoin mulai dikenal di indonesia waktu harganya msh 10-13$ per BTC, waktu harganya segitu jg dlu org2 ga ada yg tertarik buat mengumpulkan bitcoin, krn ga tau kegunaannya buat apa....bisa dijual pa gak jg ga tau....
waktu ada promo gratisan 0.10 BTC aja ga ada yg melirik sama sekali,   Grin Cheesy gak percaya??
silahkan cek = https://www.kaskus.co.id/post/000000000000000740536625#post000000000000000740536625

itu sewaktu ada promo gratis 0.10 BTC ketika coinbase baru aja lahir websitenya,  
jadi dlu cukup verifikasi sms lewat no.hp aktif udah bisa dapet 0.10 BTC gratis dr coinbase Cheesy Grin

cb dihiitung klo di rate harga skrg dapetnya brp rupiah  Cheesy
dlu cukup terima sms udah bisa dpt 0.10 BTC gratis, waktu rate BTC msh 10-13$ an
waktu itu infonya ya ga dianggep sama sekali..krn dianggep kecil dptnya cm sekitar 1,3$ an waktu itu. infonya aja dianggep info sampah krn berbau cari refferal  Cheesy yg komen akhirnya cuma tukang spam kejar postingan  Cheesy
sy smpet bikin trit jg soal promo tadi yg udah dilengkapi tutorial trading di mtgox dll dan petunjuk2 lain agar bitcoinnya bisa dituker jd rupiah,  udah susah2 bikin eh, yg ada malah tritnya dipasangi gambar "Long Cat" n ga dihargai sm sekali Cheesy

ya udah krn kesel ya ga sy sundul2 lg tritnya, akhirnya cuma saya pake cari reff sndiri n klak klik sndiri...untungnya terlihat lengkap tritnya ada tutorialnya jd coinbase ga curiga  Cheesy klo mau tau kisah lengkapnya disini = https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1626535.msg18272709#msg18272709

jadi dlu klo yg saya alami utk bisa dpt 0.10 BTC itu cukup beli kartu perdana yg nyaris mati/ masuk masa tenggang yg masih bisa dipake terima SMS  Cheesy Grin dan kartu hp perdana nyaris matinya td bisa dibeli seharga Rp.500 sebiji di counter2 hp terdekat  Grin Cheesy

jd 0.10 BTC dlu klo buat saya ya = 500 rupiah, krn bisa didapetin seharga itu  Grin Cheesy buat dpt 1 BTC ya cukup beli 5-10 kartu mati  Cheesy
cukup 5 kartu klo kita invite refferal sendiri,  Cheesy Grin bisa dpt byk pun dlu msh susah ngejualnya

mana ada dlu exchanger indonesia yg mau terima BTC, berani beli kartu mati 500 rupiahan buat nimbun tadi aja sbnernya udah termasuk spekulasi, untung2an, krn ga ada yg bisa nebak n nyangka klo BTC bisa dijual...bisa makin mahal harganya...apalagi klo liat harganya yg sekarang  Cheesy bisa anda anggap berjudi juga

seinget sy pelopor+perintis exchanger bitcoin di indonesia dlu awalnya justru artabit, sblm vip bitcoin indonesia lahir/didirikan.

jadi jgn berpikiran sempit BTC tiba2 aja langsung bermanfaat, lsg jadi koin yg mahal dan berguna krn dlu kondisinya jg sama aja,
sama persis sperti anggapan anda ttg altcoin skrg  Wink klo anda sempat mengalami masa2 itu sy yakin anda tidak berpkir seperti diatas, Wink krn semua butuh proses

dlu nyoba memperkenalkan seputar bitcoin+sekedar ngajak diskusi seputar bitcoin di forum forex+perdagangan derivatif aja yg ada malah di bully,  Grin
https://www.kaskus.co.id/show_post/54152c6560e24b7d088b456f/33/-
https://www.kaskus.co.id/thread/54073a32d675d4bb218b4569/ada-yg-pernah-coba-beli-bitcoin-di-indomaret/2


bahkan utk pengelola usaha judi / bandar judi pun sebenarnya dia tdk bisa kita anggap sbg penjudi, krn posisi dia sbnernya murni pebisnis bukan penjudi, mkanya smpe ada perumpamaan bandar ga bisa kalah, krn emng bandar selalu bisa mengelola posisinya agar tdk rugi, ketika judi bs dikelola sbg bisnis maka bs bergeser nilainya. pemilik casino itu umumnya pebisnis, yg jdi penjudi ya pemainnya. bandar tadi murni pebisnis, mkanya kbanyakan pemilik casino kaya2, berani bayar pajak mahal. bahkan klo cm dipandang sempit sebatas melihat dr manfaat bukankah byk contohnya klo dari pajak usaha judi yg umumnya tinggi tadi bisa dimanfaatkan utk pembangunan jg. las vegas sblm jd seperti skrg ya cm padang tandus.  Grin

jakarta sendiri jg setau saya dlu dibangun dari pajak judi ketika kepemimpinan gubernur Ali Sadikin silahkan cek sejarahnya  Grin




 
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