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21  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][MAX] MaxCoin - Alive and Kickin' on: August 29, 2017, 04:51:38 PM
People are still mining it on miningpoolhub.  Not sure that is doing much good for the coin though just dumping it on the market

It does pop to the top of profitability now and then though
22  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [CHC] ChainCoin - Cryptopia & Novaexchange - Required update 0.9.3.1 on: August 29, 2017, 04:50:24 PM
So whatever happened to the volume on this coin?  Everyone just buy it up and never trades it.

23  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ECA] Electra ⚡ | POW/POS | NIST5 | Super Rewards Bonanza on: August 29, 2017, 04:49:01 PM
Cryptopia should be cheap.

Last I heard Cryptopia was 5BTC to list it on there, but it is a decent exchange.   I would say that it seems like a good choice if the developer is looking to get exposure for the coin.

The problem ultimately will be whether it will repeat what we see on Nova which is just people dumping everything they have into the market and saturating it.

We need to get above 1 sat in order to probably be taken seriously
24  Economy / Micro Earnings / Re: ★ ClaimWithMe ★ Most Paying Faucet Of All Times ☆ 13,890sat/min ☆ Free Bitcoins! on: August 29, 2017, 04:46:59 PM
How is this thread even still around?!?

It is obviously a total scam and hasn't given a withdrawal in over a month, if it ever did.  Stay away from this thing there is no reason to invest at all.
25  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Signatum - New Algorithm - Fair Launch - No Premine - Cryptopia on: August 29, 2017, 04:45:51 PM
You guys think that we'll be seeing a nice rise going into the 2nd halving?

Seems like lately the price has been falling off a bit even though the marketplace seems to be coming along pretty nicely.

Hoping things will pick back up soon.  Coming up on PoS
26  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ⚡ [ANN] ⚡ DeepOnion TOR Integrated ⚡ No ICO 🚀 FREE Airdrops 🚀 7th of 40 Rounds on: August 29, 2017, 04:44:33 PM
Really looking forward to seeing what this coin can do.

Nice to see a non-ICO coin for a change.   Seems like everyone is just making money grabs and people are just throwing their money at it.
27  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Pools (Altcoins) / Re: Zpool.ca: Does it take 20-22% fee? on: August 06, 2017, 10:23:20 PM
Here you can see the coins that I mined in the last 60 mins or so.  I originally recorded an hour long video of it, but for some reason Shadowplay decided to fast forward a chunk of the audio, but not the video and therefore they got out of sync.  I will try and explain where all the numbers come from:

Here are the earnings on my wallet:


In the Amount column you can see exactly how many of each coin I mined for that particular block.  You can also see the mBTC payout value of those said coins.

If you look at the Wallet payout information you will see that in total it is expected to payout 0.00000549 BTC.  This matches the value of the sum of all the coins in BTC value in the following spreadsheet Cell D17.  Then looking on coinmarketcap.com I took the current BID value for Auroracoin which is traded on Bittrex and Topaz which is traded on Novaexchange.   Column F shows the current BID price of the coins on the respective exchanges.   Column G is the proceeds of that exchange.  In both cases the exchange fees for trading are less than 1%.  The Exchange proceeds in Column G is showing how much BTC each set of coins should produce.   Column H is the percentage of value the zpool is giving compared to what is generated on the Exchange.  As you can see in every case the value is 85% of the value that Zpool is paying.  This is the way that I've calculated it every time and you can too.

At this point it appears that perhaps Crackfoo has adjusted something because in my previous example it was 80% in almost every case.  So that is where all the numbers came from and how I was deriving the value of the coins compared to what Zpool was paying.  As of right now Zpool appears to be paying 85% of the current bid value of the coins.  You can see the price per coin paid out in the E column vs the F column.





Link to the spreadsheet to verify all formulas:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1pJud4B3tZD5Y587GJhpHy655KeakClbcNw8U2JI6YnY
28  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Pools (Altcoins) / Re: █▓▒░-< [ZPOOL.CA][HashTap™][FlexFee™] The miners multipool >-░▒▓█ on: August 06, 2017, 09:52:57 PM
Crackfoo did you make any adjustments to any of the fees or anything?

It seems that everything is paying out at about 85% of the exchange value now as opposed to what I was seeing before.   Seems more reasonable with what I'd expect for autoexchange although I think you mentioned it was set to 5% exchange fee in the config file.

I'm just trying to get to the bottom of the discrepancy if there is a bug that needs fixing.
29  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Pools (Altcoins) / Re: Zpool.ca: Does it take 20-22% fee? on: August 06, 2017, 03:18:34 PM
You're just assuming that $market forgets its current value when updating. That would result in a consistent
80% value but this would only ocurr if $market is a local variable. A global wouldn't lose its value between
iterations of the same function. And "out of scope" just means there are two copies of the same variable name
in a different scope. The reference in any single function will allways be in scope.

I think you've latched on to this 20% code and just assumed it is the source of the problem.

You also overcomplicated my test. You just need to follow one block on zpool from creation to credit to your balance.
All of the raw data is there, share%, coin amount, BTC value. The BTC value can be expected to fluctuate with
exchange price. The last BTC value displayed before exchange should be very close to the actual exchanged value,
Simply confirm that the expected amount was credited to your balance.

And you're ignoring that is exactly what I did.  If you look at my spreadsheet you see where I show in screenshots every market price that compares to the coins that I mined and what prices were given on the pool.  The unpaid amount was the same as what all the coins were supposed to credit to me that were all well below the lowest market price of the day.  Do the calculations and you will see the same thing.  I've already done the tests, if you don't believe the results then do them yourself and you will see exactly what I'm talking about.

As for the code that's exactly why I haven't submitted a bug report and I said as much.   I want to get the pool setup and see for myself if that object is 0, but it would explain the results that we're seeing.  I feel like I'm being very reasonable with my report and evidence and yet again all I'm met with is excuses and more doubts of the tests and evidence.  I didn't want to believe that was the case either, but it does seem to be true. 
30  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Pools (Altcoins) / Re: Zpool.ca: Does it take 20-22% fee? on: August 01, 2017, 07:20:53 PM
I don't agree with your analysis.

A zero value in AverageIncrement would most likely occur on a failed exchange query and only assuming
there are no error checks. In such cases a zero bid price is possible.

This would cause a 20% drop in the value of $market->price in the current sample.

In the next sample we would adjust based on a new bid price. If a second failure occurs $msrket->price
would become 80% of 80%, or 64%. Each successive failure would reduce the value more.

If the following samples returned a valid bid price the value of $market->price would gradually correct itself.

There is no way to maintain a consistent 20% penalty.

Did you do a test as I suggested?



Actually the value won't keep dropping.  It will just always be 80% of the current bid.  The function grabs 20% of the previous value and 80% of the current.  I'm saying that the 20% is returning 0 because the market object is falling out of scope and therefore you only get 80% of the current bid.

As for your test that isn't much of a valid test either because the conversion of coins to BTC for Yiimp won't necessarily be at the same time or the same prices as when Zpool does it.  It could be easily explained that the test cherry picked the prices that were sold at and not a valid test.

As for the loss of shares that actually doesn't happen on Zpool unless the algo never finds a block again.  Even if you only mine for 1 minute on an algorithm you will get your tiny share the next time a block is found.  You don't need to wait until a block if found to make sure your shares are recorded.  The shares are recorded in the database and paid out when the next block is found.


It would be simple for Crackfoo to determine what the problem is, but it would require him to look at the logs and see what prices it is recording for the pairs and compare them to the exchange.   That's why I need to get a Yiimp instance working so that I can see exactly what it is doing.   The code definitely looks like it could be a problem if the existing market price is not getting carried forward.

This would be a simple fix as well:
Code:
function AverageIncrement($value1, $value2)
{
        if $value == 0 then return $value2;
$percent = 80;
$value = ($value1*(100-$percent) + $value2*$percent) / 100;

return $value;
}
31  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Pools (Altcoins) / Re: Zpool.ca: Does it take 20-22% fee? on: August 01, 2017, 01:49:31 PM
You don't seem to understand how the prices and things are calculated.

I was not looking at the total payout over time and saying man that seems low.  I was looking at every reported coin that was mined in the earnings section and comparing the paid out value of those coins to the market prices of the day that the coins were exchanged and every single one was below the lowest market value by 20% or more.  How does one sell coins below the lowest market value for a day?

I've mined on Zpool for a couple of months.   You can do these same calculations yourself and see the same thing.  When you mine a coin it shows up in your earnings as X coins mined, share %, how much mBTC those coins are worth.  That price of the mBTC will fluctuate periodically as the coin moves from Immature, Exchange, and Cleared.  At any time during that period you can take the number of coins, multiply it by the current market price and you will see that the mBTC listed is 20%+ less than the market price.  Then when the coin actually is cleared you will see that is the actual mBTC value that is moved from unconfirmed to unpaid in your total amount.

I posted screenshots every single market that I gathered the prices from to prove that I wasn't just misreading the prices and making stuff up.   My system clock is in the lower right corner of all those screenshots to prove the date and time that those prices were checked.  I have nothing to gain by spending hours of my time try to prove this to people other than to try and get it fixed so that I can feel comfortable mining on zpool again.

Try it yourself and you will see exactly what I'm talking about.  Most coins only have one major exchange that they trade on so it is pretty easy to determine where the price is coming from.  That's what led me to looking at the code of Yiimp and seeing this evidence in the code.  I'm still trying to get a fully working Yiimp pool setup just to test what prices are coming from the exchange, but this appears to be the problem.


The relevant function that I believe is causing the issues is as follows:

In web\yaamp\core\backend\markets.php on line 203

Code:
function AverageIncrement($value1, $value2)
{
$percent = 80;
$value = ($value1*(100-$percent) + $value2*$percent) / 100;

return $value;
}

This function is used for pretty much every price lookup from the markets.  The purpose of this function is to create a weighted value based upon 20% of value1 and 80% of value2.  The reason for doing it is to create a trailing average for price moves.  As an example in the price look up for any of the exchanges.

web\yaamp\core\exchange\bittrex.php on line 61-63

Code:
	$price2 = ($m->Bid + $m->Ask)/2;
$market->price2 = AverageIncrement($market->price2, $price2);
$market->price = AverageIncrement($market->price, $m->Bid);


The purpose of this code is to first get the average of the Bid and Ask and put it in price2.
Next it sets the price2 value to the weighted value of the previous price2 and the current price2.  This would be a 20% weight of the old price + 80% value of the new price.
Finally it sets the price value to the weighted value of the previous price and the current bid.  This would be a 20% weight of the old bid + 80% value of the new bid.

On paper this seems reasonable because if the price fluctuates by a significant margin it will trail that value and essentially smooth the movement out.  

This is significant because if you look at the AverageIncrement function and consider that if the previous price being passed in value1 does not exist then the function returns 80% of the current price2 or Bid.  So I think what might be happening is somehow the object is falling out of scope or some other issue that is causing that value1 to get a 0 amount and therefore the values coming out are 80% of the value they should be.

As a workaround until it can be determined if the values are being passed incorrectly or falling out of scope a line to check if value1 is 0 and if it is return the value2 should work around the issue.  I'm going to likely try and setup a Yiimp instance on a test VM and see if I can get values out of it to determine for sure if this is the problem.

I'll let you know what I find.  Crackfoo if you want to perhaps add some debug logging like the following it may be quicker for you to see:

Code:
function AverageIncrement($value1, $value2)
{
$percent = 80;
$value = ($value1*(100-$percent) + $value2*$percent) / 100;

        debuglog("AverageIncrement: $value1, $value2");

return $value;
}

Or report it to Tpruvot and see if he can look at it.  I'm pretty sure this is what is causing the issues.





32  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Pools (Altcoins) / Re: Zpool.ca: Does it take 20-22% fee? on: August 01, 2017, 03:48:55 AM
and I still see 50% higher return here then nicehash.

And I look at mining here as mining btc

and  no sha 256 gear in the world  comes close to mining here.

and every complaint I see  is based on cherry picked   sell  of coins mined at an exchange..


Still I  know that even with all of the above  true.

 it only means  I am better

mining on zpool  then nicehash
mining on zpool then mining with s-9's

I have   been really busy  and have simply not set up a tester pair of rigs.

I also  never switch  as switching  software is really  not a good thing.  it causes lot of issues such as lost shares and flattening of coins prices.  

also  you are always chasing the hot coin along with every else using the software  so the switch to the hot coin is not you but everyone else  and this will kill price.

BTW  i do not switch on nicehash.  

I mine 1 coin at nicehash using 5 1080 ti's
I mine 2 coins at zpool    using 7  1080 ti's

I should earn  at a  7 to 5 ratio    
I earn at a 9 to 5 ratio  

I earn  say .18  at  zpool each month  vs .11 at nicehash

and I earn .14 each week at btc pools  directly.

It isn't cherry picked data though.   If you look earlier that was every coin I mined for a few hour period.  Every single coin was well below the lowest market price of the day.

That's the other issue, yes, zpool pays better than Nicehash, but there are several reasons for that.   Nicehash you're not mining even coins on an algorithm, you are selling your hashrate to whomever wants to buy and decide what you mine.  If no one wants to buy your hash then you get paid whatever someone will pay for it.  Meaning the price of the coin is irrelevant, it is all up to the demand of Nicehash services.  Just because zpool is the better paying pool doesn't mean that there isn't a problem with what is getting paid out.

We just need to find the actual evidence showing the actual bug, or don't mine there and sell the coins yourself.  It's really not that hard to dump them to the exchange and sell them for whatever they happened to be worth at the time.  It will still likely be more than if you mined at zpool as long as you're willing to take those steps to sell them off.  Exchange accounts are typically free so its not even really a barrier.
33  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Signatum - New Algorithm - Fair Launch - No Premine - Cryptopia on: July 31, 2017, 06:26:28 PM

It's normal...almost all miners get flagged with things now because they were included in various Ransomware attacks and have had their signatures added to databases.

Same thing with wallets getting flagged for things like IRCBOT
34  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Pools (Altcoins) / Re: Zpool.ca: Does it take 20-22% fee? on: July 31, 2017, 05:55:49 PM
The problem is that whatever "evidence" gets presented gets dismissed by people saying that there were no timestamps or didn't have exactly what they wanted to see.  It is actually really simple for anyone to actually calculate it themselves and yet like me they don't do the calculations and blindly dismiss it as an exchange price difference or something like that.

Even then it comes down to getting someone to find the bug and fix it.  Both Crackfoo and Tpruvot claim no responsibility for the exchanging feature and therefore aren't doing anything to investigate or fix the issue.  Someone will likely have to submit a pull request to the Github and then get lucky enough to actually have it committed.  Then maybe Crackfoo will incorporate it into zpool.   I'm pretty sure I found the problem, but haven't had the time to get my own instance of Yiimp setup to verify for sure that it is the function in question and why it is happening.

All the market prices are a calculation of weighted amounts of 20% of the previous value + 80% of the new value and the function is setup such that if the old amount is 0 or out of scope then it simply returns 80% of the current value.  This would explain exactly why all the values are 20% or more lower than what people are expecting.  I posted a spreadsheet of every coin I mined for a period that I was watching it and in every single case it was lower than the lowest possible market price for the day and yet people still dismissed it as me not giving all the details.

At this point you either accept this missing value from the payouts and mine on Zpool or you don't.  Crackfoo seems at this point to at least acknowledge that there might be some oddities going on, but so far hasn't publicly made any effort to resolve the problem.  There isn't a lot of incentive for him to do it given that we're talking about eliminating a significant portion of his earnings by fixing it.

I still think that people would be more than willing to pay an exchange fee if they knew what the fee was supposed to be and have it applied consistently.  I'll continue to try and get things working so I can try and prove out and fix the bug, but its going to likely take me some time.
35  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Pools (Altcoins) / Re: █▓▒░-< [ZPOOL.CA][HashTap™][FlexFee™] The miners multipool >-░▒▓█ on: July 27, 2017, 04:36:54 PM

I support this effort 100%.  If you need anything from me, let me know.

Jaerin,

Why don't you file an issue here: https://github.com/tpruvot/yiimp/issues

If that goes well, you can then submit a pull request.

Crackfoo,

Can you please look into this?  I would really like to know your thoughts.

I don't really want to report an issue until I have the full evidence to support that it actually is the issue.  Not to mention Tpruvot doesn't really support the exchange portion of Yiimp so he may not care.

I will once I can get it installed and verify the pricing is as I suspect it may be.  The code has logic that makes sense as to why the discrepancy is there, but I don't want to jump the gun.
36  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Pools (Altcoins) / Re: █▓▒░-< [ZPOOL.CA][HashTap™][FlexFee™] The miners multipool >-░▒▓█ on: July 27, 2017, 12:21:19 AM
I think I figured it out after looking at the Yiimp code.  The relevant function that I believe is causing the issues is as follows:

In web\yaamp\core\backend\markets.php on line 203

Code:
function AverageIncrement($value1, $value2)
{
$percent = 80;
$value = ($value1*(100-$percent) + $value2*$percent) / 100;

return $value;
}

This function is used for pretty much every price lookup from the markets.  The purpose of this function is to create a weighted value based upon 20% of value1 and 80% of value2.  The reason for doing it is to create a trailing average for price moves.  As an example in the price look up for any of the exchanges.

web\yaamp\core\exchange\bittrex.php on line 61-63

Code:
	$price2 = ($m->Bid + $m->Ask)/2;
$market->price2 = AverageIncrement($market->price2, $price2);
$market->price = AverageIncrement($market->price, $m->Bid);


The purpose of this code is to first get the average of the Bid and Ask and put it in price2.
Next it sets the price2 value to the weighted value of the previous price2 and the current price2.  This would be a 20% weight of the old price + 80% value of the new price.
Finally it sets the price value to the weighted value of the previous price and the current bid.  This would be a 20% weight of the old bid + 80% value of the new bid.

On paper this seems reasonable because if the price fluctuates by a significant margin it will trail that value and essentially smooth the movement out.  

This is significant because if you look at the AverageIncrement function and consider that if the previous price being passed in value1 does not exist then the function returns 80% of the current price2 or Bid.  So I think what might be happening is somehow the object is falling out of scope or some other issue that is causing that value1 to get a 0 amount and therefore the values coming out are 80% of the value they should be.

As a workaround until it can be determined if the values are being passed incorrectly or falling out of scope a line to check if value1 is 0 and if it is return the value2 should work around the issue.  I'm going to likely try and setup a Yiimp instance on a test VM and see if I can get values out of it to determine for sure if this is the problem.

I'll let you know what I find.  Crackfoo if you want to perhaps add some debug logging like the following it may be quicker for you to see:

Code:
function AverageIncrement($value1, $value2)
{
$percent = 80;
$value = ($value1*(100-$percent) + $value2*$percent) / 100;

        debuglog("AverageIncrement: $value1, $value2");

return $value;
}

Or report it to Tpruvot and see if he can look at it.  I'm pretty sure this is what is causing the issues.



37  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Pools (Altcoins) / Re: █▓▒░-< [ZPOOL.CA][HashTap™][FlexFee™] The miners multipool >-░▒▓█ on: July 26, 2017, 06:20:40 PM
Just be aware that when you get paid out in other coins other than BTC it is not the same as though you are direct mining the coin.  As the price of the coin/BTC pair changes the amount of coins you get will change because you are credited the mBTC value of the coin and then converted not paid directly what coins you mine.   This is just a fact of how the auto exchange stuff working on Yiimp pools right now.
38  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] LINDA-PoW/PoS-99% APR- MASTERNODE-MULTI-WALLET on: July 26, 2017, 06:13:35 PM
The IRCBOT detection is a common thing for wallets.

Just doing a google search on these forums brings up similar detections on:

Kekcoin: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2026344.460
Volpcoin: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2001317.40
RSGPcoin: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2003436.200
Onyx wallet: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1934989.320
Durer coin: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1992123.40
Cache coin: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1942145.560
Crave: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1964765.msg20124226#msg20124226
Kittehcoin: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1340334.100
Zoin coin: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1671060.660


This isn't even all of them and they all started report this issue in the last month after not being detected on any of them.  Pretty much every single coin that likely all use the same base wallet code is showing up with similar reports from the Anti-virus scanners.   Someone obviously put in a pattern that is matching on the base code of the wallets.  Unless you are saying that every single one of these coins has a backdoor in it.
39  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Pools (Altcoins) / Re: █▓▒░-< [ZPOOL.CA][HashTap™][FlexFee™] The miners multipool >-░▒▓█ on: July 26, 2017, 05:55:17 PM
I understand, I made no complaints about it.   It wasn't appropriate to discuss mining on other pools in this thread.  I apologize.

thnx

ya'all are free to mine where ever you want.

I understand their are oddities, the exchange mode is not supported or tested by the maintainer but it is all open source and regardless pays more than other multipool IMO. I'm not a dev. I welcome changes if there are better way to run the exchange mode: https://github.com/tpruvot/yiimp

or of course, you can run your own.

Cheers

Thank you I appreciate you saying this.  Can you post what value you have YAAMP_FEES_EXCHANGE set to in your config?  Or better yet any of the relevant fees settings in the server config?  Perhaps there is a setting that should be .2 instead of 2 and that's causing the normal 2% to be 20%.

I'm looking over the Yiimp code and trying to determine if it is in fact a bug or some config that is set incorrectly.

As I mentioned before I don't think that anyone would protest to paying some fees for autoexchange as long as they were stated up front so someone could decide if the fee is worth the trouble or not.
40  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] LINDA-PoW/PoS-99% APR- MASTERNODE-MULTI-WALLET on: July 26, 2017, 04:03:16 PM
This isn't the first wallet to show up with detection of ircbot lately.   Electra coin's wallet also has been showing that as well.  I believe the Heuristic scans are picking up something common in a lot of the wallets since they all share a lot of base code.

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