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21  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: MtGox blames Bitcoin protocol problem for BTC withdrawal issue on: February 10, 2014, 11:39:47 AM
Does all that mean, the dream of 100% uncompromisable P2P transfer is over? Does it mean an additional check by a quasi central authority is needed to augment security? I would appreciate an answer in layman terms.

No. Everything is just the same

Let say bitcoin transaction is like a banknote. You can write something on a banknote but the note itself is still valid. When gox sending a banknote to its customer, they take a picture of the note, and use the picture of the note as an evidence of delivery. Some customer, however, write something on the note when they get it from gox, and claim they have not received the note. Since the note looks different from the photo, gox can't recognize it and wrongly believes that the note is not delivered, and send another note to the customer (so the customer gets double paid by exploiting the gox's bug). Since gox believe the original said note is not spent, they try to send it to a different customer. Of course this won't work and led to all those bitcoin withdraw problem we have seen.

So gox now proposes to use a different method to track the banknote. Instead of taking a photo, they propose to use the unique serial number on every note for tracking propose.

Bitcoin is still the bitcoin we know yesterday
Fine, thx to you and underhood. So basically the only problem is with senders who believe in complaints of receivers upon a forgeable fact. Whereas if they take public available information into consideration, the sender arrive at a fully deterministic conclusion about whether the BTC arrived or not and therefore if the receiver's complaint is valid. Well, no big deal at all I would say.
22  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: MtGox blames Bitcoin protocol problem for BTC withdrawal issue on: February 10, 2014, 11:08:58 AM
Does all that mean, the dream of 100% uncompromisable P2P transfer is over? Does it mean an additional check by a quasi central authority is needed to augment security? I would appreciate an answer in layman terms.
23  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Monday is upon Tokyo, What will GOX say? on: February 10, 2014, 10:10:22 AM
based on the way they've named their prior news releases, whenever they DO post their next announcement, it should be here as long as they post it today: 

https://www.mtgox.com/press_release_20140210.html
Actually there already _is_ a statement on that URL, though it does not show (yet?) on the news site. Apparently everyone fell victim to a BTC inherent problem of spoofing transactions. Then the state: "We have discussed this solution with the Bitcoin core developers and will allow Bitcoin withdrawals again once it has been approved and standardized."
So can a Bitcoin core developer confirm that? Obviously there are no reasons to trust gox.
24  Economy / Exchanges / Re: MtGox withdrawal delays [Gathering] on: February 08, 2014, 05:31:01 PM
I have a 5 figure amount SEPA withdrawal pending since 17 January and will let you all know when I receive that money.
They are probably processing SEPA withdrawal of the first weeks of January now so I am expecting to have to wait 3 more weeks.
I'm in the same boat with a transaction confirmed on the 20th, similar amount. If they'd stick to their claim, processing is due on the Tuesday. If not, scam spilled over to SEPA. Where do EUR funds reside? Poland afair?
MtGox are very open about their SEPA delays and the reason for the delays.  Last time I heard they were processing SEPA withdrawals from January 1st.  If people have been as busy withdrawing via SEPA as via domestic JPY during the new year holidays, it will take about four days to process each day of SEPA withdrawals due to the daily limit (which has been confirmed by their bank).  We may not be further than to the 3rd at the end of next week.  I am hoping for better progress than that, of course.  I have one confirmed since January 4th myself.
I'm not trying to erode your confidence, hence your reasoning. But being _clear_ on the status of SEPA withdrawals sounds different to me than the answer to my inquiry of status and backlog I've received today:
Unfortunately we do not having this information at this moment and we would be able to provide a clear picture soon. Once again we apologize for the delay.
25  Economy / Exchanges / Re: MtGox withdrawal delays [Gathering] on: February 07, 2014, 08:06:25 PM
I have a 5 figure amount SEPA withdrawal pending since 17 January and will let you all know when I receive that money.
They are probably processing SEPA withdrawal of the first weeks of January now so I am expecting to have to wait 3 more weeks.
I'm in the same boat with a transaction confirmed on the 20th, similar amount. If they'd stick to their claim, processing is due on the Tuesday. If not, scam spilled over to SEPA. Where do EUR funds reside? Poland afair?
26  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Is MtGox prepping another vector of customer attack? [AML] on: January 25, 2014, 02:54:24 PM
Ok, there seems to be light at the end of the tunnel and I want to give an account of the matters so far for others still in despair.

On the 6th of Jan I noticed that my account was finally verified, which makes it an endeavor of just short of 2 months. I then tried to file for EUR SEPA withdrawal of all my fundings which are in excess of a few grand. Mind you, it didn't work since there is a 1000EUR limit but it's not stated clearly in the error message "Invalid amount, limit reached or not enough EUR in your account". Also, this is lower, reasons unknown, than the $ limit of 10,000 afair. Only after revealing this fact with the support, I subsequently changed the limit to 10,000EUR to withdraw in one swoop. Speaking of support, replies seem to have gotten swifter in the new year. Also, it was the first time where I was asked to fill out an online feedback form to this support ticket.
I was able to initiate the withdrawal on the 20th of Jan. The next day, its status changed from 'pending' (or something a long those lines) to 'confirmed'. Today I received a message stating confirmation and some further information that "Situation as of 25th January 2014: We are currently processing withdrawals requested 3 weeks ago. "

The whole rundown so far:
15th Nov: Filing for authentication
29th Nov: Reply of temporary denying authentication and requesting another document
29th Nov: Uploading another document and urging them to keep their deadline
11th Dec: Reply that they forward the issue to the "concern department for better and quick assistance"
19th Dec: Me sending a message to urge them
06th Jan: Verification of Account, but hindered by 1,000 EUR limit and urging them to remedy this situation
19th Jan: Request from Gox to sign for an increase of limit if so desired, filed by me
20th Jan: Withdrawal limit lifted, Withdrawal initiated by me
25th Jan: Notification that they are processing this one against a 3 week backlog

I hope this is of help to someone as a blueprint of how things work out and that I can collect funds within 3-4 weeks.
27  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Is MtGox prepping another vector of customer attack? [AML] on: December 30, 2013, 05:22:32 PM
Thanks for your input!
I have to admit, I was not too educated prior to making my trades. Now I'm stuck with them. Even if I buy back into bitcoins I wouldn't be able to transfer them to another exchange. Considering your rapid verification I'm baffled what on earth should take them that long. Since when they put their chat offline btw? The bucks they apparently made should seriously be spent on support and service.
28  Economy / Service Discussion / Is MtGox prepping another vector of customer attack? [AML] on: December 30, 2013, 01:24:29 PM
Apart from the by now well known difficulties for withdrawing, I think they came up with another vector of undermining customer rights. Since I traded in for EUR in November, I requested account verification in parallel to this. The first reply took them 14 days stating the document is not viable, while it was an authority's edict with stamp, address, recently issued and everything! The same day I gave in, and sent them the needed albeit weaker document of a telephone bill plus a complaint that they are overdue with their service anyway. Formally it should take them 10 days to verify, not more. The last thing I got was a response that they'll forward the issue to the "concern department for better and quick assistance". What a hoax, I got nothing after that. I bumped my request upon their response, but nothing happened so far.

Here's the rundown:
15th Nov: Filing for authentication
29th Nov: Reply of temporary denying authentication and requesting another document
29th Nov: Uploading another document and urging them to keep their deadline
11th Dec: Reply that they forward the issue to the "concern department for better and quick assistance"
19th Dec: Me sending a message to urge them
... nothing more

This brings the whole procedure to a total of 45 days which should have been done within 5 days!
I'm on the brink to really get mad since no one is replying, they violate generous deadlines proclaimed by themselves. I don't want to see them go bottom-up before I can even start my withdrawal procedure... Did anyone experience similar issues and what is the recommendation to do now?
29  Local / Deutsch (German) / Re: Looking to sell BTC for EUR cash in Wien, June 16 or 17th on: June 28, 2012, 08:53:27 AM
next week there is a meetup in vienna:
3.7. 18:30 Metalab, Rathausstraße 6

https://plus.google.com/events/cge1clbvmsa58kqgf73h3jmmvs0/107839384289577985803


Thank you all very much. There is a slight chance I can make it next Tuesday. Meanwhile I'm stocking up on BCN Smiley
30  Local / Deutsch (German) / Re: Looking to sell BTC for EUR cash in Wien, June 16 or 17th on: June 26, 2012, 11:29:53 AM
Hi!
There's actually a very lively Bitcoin community here in Vienna and I'm sure someone of our group will be happy to meet you and do the exchange. I'll send you details via PM.


Hello wareen!

I'm getting more and more enthusiastic about bitcoin the more I read and take my private as well as global circumstances into consideration. Could you please also point me out, on where to get first hand information on and a link to local Bitcoin Community in Wien?
I'm studying business in Wien and really want to get a hang on it. Thank you in advance!
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