ok i see  i had the suspicion most of us here in this forum we post JUST because we carry a sig or a personal agenda i am smart enough to find my way out without displease anyone with pure intentions to say JUST what he/she feels Thread will be locked BUT not for ever welcome to PM me a good reason to unlock as you can see i am taking very seriously what you write here - Thank you all and Happy 2021.again |
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i used already enough red ink in my first reply , read it if you missed BUT those three words need expanding urgently : JUST provably fair here it comes , my first ORIGINAL TEXT in this thread , enjoy ! JUST provably fair for Dummies and ... Experts ! lets go back five-ten years a bright idea came into the light after the shocking innovation of Bitcoin people always complaining about fairness of online casinos and games lets give them a proof they worry for nothing provably fair scheme is born - hallelujah ! in simple words lets say i am the House hosting the game 'guess a card out of a full deck of 52' me the House i am honest to death and i want to prove you that, before you risk your hard earned moneyZ so i pick a card from my real deck after shuffling 233 times - i am poor to invest for LIVE cameras, damn! my second best choice is this new thingy called provably-fair so here my clean implementation on that : i am picking a card , lets say 'Ace of Spades' , then i browse any 'online SHA-256 calculator' found this one : sha256into the input (source) text field i write qw2ueFigaj56df today 03jan2021 time 07:20:14.46546 hand picked Ace of Spades as next result *2aZ3^U55TU%s@ *there are garbage characters in front and at the end. those must be random to keep your HOUSE safe against attackers , if you sha256 only 'Ace of Spades' anyone can find your secret instantly *in order to avoid including the hidden Return character better triple click to highlight the secret here is the result i got / try it but wear a Covid mask perhaps j/k c3619a92299a76dbe90eb8f5e7858705d1f4b354ffee04adf4feb8bd6b33895b the magic goes further : i am poor as i said so i have not a site to host my brilliant little game... NO PROBLEM ! so i invite my friend into a chat room, lets call myself as 'HouseOwner' and my friend as 'Costumer0001' HouseOwner says : are we ready to play ?
Costumer0001 says : YAYYyyyyyy - i am more than ready and loaded ! shoot me !
HouseOwner says : next card i picked for you to bet hides under the following text :
HouseOwner says : c3619a92299a76dbe90eb8f5e7858705d1f4b354ffee04adf4feb8bd6b33895b
HouseOwner says : place your bets gentlemen !
Costumer0001 says : i bet 10 Marsian Dollars on Spades / pays 3.96 times /
HouseOwner says : here is my hidden secret :
HouseOwner says : qw2ueFigaj56df today 03jan2021 time 07:20:14.46546 hand picked Ace of Spades as next result *2aZ3^U55TU%s@
HouseOwner says : you WON 39.6 M$ -- your balance increased by 39.6-10=29.6 M$ - calculating next round... zzz zzz
.. a little later
ChatBot says : HouseOwner left the building ,OOPS !
Costumer0001 says : my bad , next time i will play this other game out of damn internet scams
RandomChat says : you mean that provably fair using carrier pigeons instead of chat rooms?
Costumer0001 says : internet is bad, yeah i think pigeons is more fair than this sit here
Fair game you say ! - to be continued i hope i teased you enough to stay tuned Feed me with comments and i promise to respond as fast i can. happy 2021 again |
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There's a game coming up it's not something new but there is this prediction game where you predict the outcome of one prediction or even create one for people to bet you can sell your prediction, the only downside is there's a lot of long term prediction that your funds will be lock for a long period of time, I still prefer my old 'provably fair' games dice, slot and mines I just do a variation so not to get bored, every day I'm excited to play them, every day present a new excitement to play these games.
nice contribution ! you are a Hero indeed since you saved our thread here for now
Thanks for the thread. I am actually waiting for a topic where I can share a game that I want to be played publicly on a gambling website. Well, during my early years in gambling though, I've created a thread here and ask if there is an existing gambling site that has In-Between or Acey Deucey, also known as Yablon. Surprisingly, based on the replies given, there is no website that offers such game. The game is pretty popular in our country though  ...This is the thread that I have created last year: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5241940.msg54259231#msg54259231it sounds interesting yeah, if this thread find some audience i may start 'ideas for new games' thread to fit your desire better
But no matter what strategies you use, that will still depend on luck. The lottery has been played in many countries, and people like to play lotteries game. So that can be a good choice to start a gambling business. Eh, I am thinking about when people shop in the local store, and they get a ticket to win some prizes, but the ticket will be drawn. I think that is gambling, right? Because we buy the product to get as many tickets as we can. The bigger amount of money that we spent, the more ticket number that we will get. People will not realize about playing hidden gambling.
you won the Quality Post Badgeit is gambling but there are workarounds , example : if winners get discounts,goods or services non exchangeable to MONEYz since it is a real sale involved , it can be legally wrapped as any kind of discount coupons and aftersales promotions welcome to expand this huge idea here with us, pm me if you like to discuss this with me in private anytime,THANK U
normally prediction that are offered on predicting sites are too common but if we can pick ours we can choose an event localy or internationaly that is not being offered on any predicting site . as long it was a legit event and we can provide the players an update or a site for them to check the on going event .
lets only pick the events that will not start for too long or will not end for too long because that will be boring anymore and can cause trust issues .
welcome in my thread Shoreno , thanks for your in-topic contribution Thank you ALL again , laterZ |
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DISCLAIMER : The author is a supporter of clean implementations of what we call 'Provably Fair'
if you want to discuss about 'Provably fair' there are many great threads already in this forum 
at first i can say i have no interest to create or invest on any gambling related bussines
the reason i post this is because i need better games to waste my leisure time
^ Provably fair in poker games. It is more fun to play that game. I don't think gambling game is a waste of time and I don't also gamble if I am not at a convenient time. Gambling for me is a form of entertainment and it is separated from my leisure time, of course, gamble in my free time will always have a good mood while I am gambling. What's Public Domain you offer?
if you stay in this thread long enough it is possible to read some original ideas i have
in advance i want to make them usable for any creative mind willing to base his/her work on
thats why i mention Public Domain https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_domainas about your reply , provably fair in poker is a really complicated matter , the main problem you need to solve efficiently is what is called 'mental poker' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mental_pokerwiki page talks around the condition : without the need for a trusted third party.history can tell us what happens when house can shuffle decks at will and how easy are player collisions however it is a solvable problem , but huge task overall. provably fair may help but it is only part of solutiion
Everything is upon trust, every game will be termed as provably fair but one in ten try to verify it. Maybe we can create new games, but how fair this gonna be fair is unknown.
For you to waste your leisure time every gambling website have got lots and lots of games. There are sites where you can play without spending.
Provably fair is good foundation of trustless games , but there are many bricks needed to build a game actually you touched the reason i started this thread a little , i mention next generation in title you know even minor changes on existing games can upgrade fun,convenience and overall sense of fairness removing a rotten brick can make miracles , so please discuss with us on that matter ,in your leisure time ofc
why not share your own Idea instead? It would be good to share your idea to start the discussion instead of waiting for others to give one. and to be honest(at least for me) it is hard to think of an idea for an original gambling game. so the idea that you have would be a great starter for this discussion.
the reason i was not shared my idea S yet is simple : if you read older posts i made here, you will see i spent lot of time talking to myself in some of my threads, so i learnt my lesson, welcome relax and enjoy !
But i'm more engaging in Sports betting nowadays and Only visit these Games when i have no good pick in Sports.
So i have nothing to share and Maybe will Look back here for the shared ideas.
welcome and stay tuned
As a casual gambler and fan of dice, there’s not much to ask on that facet of gambling for me. I only prove that my games are fair by checking the seed every 10 games or so. Perhaps if gambling platforms could automate that process without being too cheeky about it, ie altering something on the front end while returning differently on the back end, that would be great. Other than that, everything is good—at least for me.
so you have ideas , thanks for the reply, expand and share if you feel like
He would be sharing up his idea if he wont see any ideas that had been posted here shared but if we do really think that sensibly is that no one would
really share up their ideas for the tendency or possible for that good idea to be stolen.When it comes to gambling games then we do see some several
games that are quite unique and not really that common and they do really get some popularity and success to this market.
When it comes to new games then we are really looking for something that we havent able to try on this place.For someone who would able to offer that
then they might really able to get some recognition and build up popularity later on.
thanks for your support , welcome
any activity isnt a waste of time if you enjoy .
he have a free time that he want to waste and he will waste it in gambling . gambling when we dont have a free time should be avoided tho because priority or responsibility should come first before entertainment but what are those provably fair poker games ?
poker that are not online or dont have a human oponent ? but those are old and he want want new ideas to create a new provably fair game .
welcome , in green bold something i agree 100%
to be continued...HAPPY NEW YEAR 2021 and thanks a lot.
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due to CV i have plenty of time to think i changed my standard procedure about how i read posts in our beloved forum now i am reading just the OP only if it is small enough but i am reading such posts at least ten times before i decide to reply from my POV exclusively ,here is my reply (green letters within the quoted OP) First the dominant narrative was that Bitcoin brings a financial revolution
BTC already set in stone the best so far paradigm capable to support a financial revolution
and soon the whole world will abandon fiat
fiat is necessary evil ,BTC has space to grow in separate and really help human race
and use it instead.
this is still the main idea
Then, the problems with scaling started to arise
did your coffee or your pizza payment delayed that much? (a bit sarcastic i can admit)
layering efficient ways to reduce unnecessary traffic is what all capable programmers and analysts must think all day
however we are in the rush to build the next 'provably fair casino' or 'KYC facility of any kind'
the narrative shifted to store of value and digital gold.
we humans are always translate what we do not understand
most of times we are just complicating things
Now Bitcoin had its first test as those things and it failed it miserably with 50% crash.
So, how will we justify its value in the future?
x% crash against what ?
if the ultimate goal/dream/utopia of us BTCers is 'fiat must die' ...
why we calculate equity against fiat i wonder
recalculate equity against healthy assets like pizzas and anything else is my humble suggestion
Cross-border payments? Go back to its roots - immutability and personal freedom? Or maybe Lightning Network will bring back the hopes of a widely adopted currency?
What do you think the people will be saying in the near future and what you personally believe in?
Elias Ch. *please do not merit my post here, since i am 50+ years old i love to stay SENIOR member of our forum *i do not feel the need to be Hero or Legend of any kind. |
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i will fire-up this thread with a simple example
i am role-playing a mediocre AI reading some random text
watch i_robot trying to collect some info/meaning out of it
== της είπα να προσέχει την υγεία της
i told her to take care her health
when ? past
who is acting ? i do (first person)
what he/she does ? i am speaking
against who ? to a female person
the only expandable element is the verb 'told'
actually after 'to' we have a new sentence.
we can simply replace 'to' with ':' like that :
της είπα : πρόσεξε την υγεία σου
i told her : take care your health
this sub sentence follows? the prev pattern
but inherits some and makes unclear the most
when ? it was present time when the action 'saying' was taken place
however the whole text line inherits past
who is acting ? actually within the sub sentence that is undefined
what he/she does ? she may do nothing or anything
against who ? she has the main option to act against herself
but any mechanical understanding is lost
* disclaimer : it is not a serious thread , [FOR FUN]
* relax a bit before you decide attacking with scientific facts
* consider your participation replying my OP as role playing please !
Elias Ch.
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When asked what is giving Bitcoin (or any other cryptocurrency) its value...
...Anyone can draw their own conclusions.
RQ alias Cryptorobert
in order to justify about good and evil you need to dig deep. dear Cryptorobert , at first thank you for this great Essay. i am reading rarely myself , i am lost in my mental adventures all my life (50+). here in this forum sometimes i take the risk to read a couple of threads. most of times if i feel the need to reply i am posting off-topic no matter how hard i try. i may post objections about threads title structure, or make suggestions for alter titles... sometimes i will make the usual mistake here to turn against someones reply due to respect vs your OP i will try harder this time : every thought,idea,technology,logic model,scheme in our modern society has layers. when we talk about something with layers ,discussions can messed up mostly because there is not obvious on which layer each one of us thinking within. here is my multipart conclusion and comments :
1. The whole OP lies on layer-0 , there are millions BTC texts incapable to stay there.
2. Skin of the game is the value source not only for BTC but ... for whole humanity since Adam and Eve.
3. BTC for common people is perhaps a lost cause, not enough skin for them it seems.
4. Petition to capable thinkers i can address here : give us ideas to regain some skin
5. Do not curse Capitalism , we are what we do , and we finally are Money hunters.
It is matter of survival not something 'evil' anymore.
6. Treating your crypto assets as MONEY is reasonable and justified.
However , try to think them coins as mental pets sometimes.
It may give you human inspiration , BTC as idea is better than many books.
...6331 Thank you OP and sorry if i missed again to stay on-topic 
Greetings from Greece Elias Ch. ** |
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this is a good conclusion thanks to logfiles
Elias Ch.
thank you all and sorry if i waste your time.
Locked.
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i am applying elicitation using a naive question.
this is the reason this thread belongs to META and above post is just off-topic as a whole.
jumping over that post...First of all, this is a wrong section for you to place your topic, please forward it to Beginners & HelpTrust is part of the forum policy, so it should stay here in meta, which is the appropriate board and not in beginners and help section. so is the capability to delete a positive trust a 'gift' with refund options?
is that good as forum procedure ?
People do change overnight you know, so if a user who is trusted today, turns out to be a scammer tomorrow, shouldn't it be possible for those who trusted him to distrust him(delete their positive feedback). it seems this thread may die soon , it is fine , i am not a post maniac after all. so running very fast this poor thread i will add :
i received a useless green trust 3-4 years before from a respectable owner of a respectable site i was customer/friend etc.
LOST that trust because i left peacefully recently.
can you see the leak on the roof now ? i am almost ready to lock this thread. thank you all ! |
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First of all, this is a wrong section for you to place your topic, please forward it to Beginners & HelpTrust is part of the forum policy, so it should stay here in meta, which is the appropriate board and not in beginners and help section. so is the capability to delete a positive trust a 'gift' with refund options?
is that good as forum procedure ?
People do change overnight you know, so if a user who is trusted today, turns out to be a scammer tomorrow, shouldn't it be possible for those who trusted him to distrust him(delete their positive feedback). it seems this thread may die soon , it is fine , i am not a post maniac after all. so running very fast this poor thread i will add : i received a useless green trust 3-4 years before from a respectable owner of a respectable site i was customer/friend etc. LOST that trust because i left peacefully recently. can you see the leak on the roof now ? |
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looking into my profile , clicking trust today i discover a line of sent trust disappeared !  Sounds like you got an positive Feedback or an Neutral from someone and the User has deleted it ! If a User want to change his opinion about the given Feedback he can delete his Feedback anytime he want. Or did you mean a Feedback that you have given to another User has disappeared ? thank you for your fast and accurate response ! in red is my case , and you cover my answer in full. however this thread may have a bit life , forums are for discussion arent they ? so is the capability to delete a positive trust a 'gift' with refund options? is that good as forum policy/procedure ? |
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looking into my profile , clicking trust today i discover a line of sent trust disappeared ! i thought those trust comments was immutable but meh. QUESTION : is trust system in our beloved forum just a gift/curse with refund options ? in other words is trust a temporary 'i love you'/'i hate you' label ? i have no complains , i am just confused , please [HELP} me ! |
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BTC jokes you say ? 1. Goo.. 2FA for almost all well established (decentralized-wannabees) crypto-related services / imagine the picture : all BTC users hanging by their balls in the name of extra security / 2. incomplete application of 'provably fair' schemes i thought that was to benefit/secure users and not crypto business owners ONLY3. posts within this thread running quotes so long that i broke my mouse wheel 4. i need no merit , actually i am deleting old posts to keep my account stable as fiat does 5. crypto related mega joke OP of mine . i revived recently because it is funny and useful https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2028592.msg20206765#msg20206765OP or Mods may Pm me to delete link above , claiming i am trying to Hijack this interesting threadAnd i am sorry but my sense of humor is a little Dark. Elias Ch. **Bonus track : BTC has 0% volatility as long you are not thinking vs fiat but vs goods/services 
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...
So what's your take on this? What's in the game for those of us who are not looking for anything other than personal enjoyment and amusement? Be specific!
if i got OP right , i can talk just for myself so i admit at first : contrary to my standard practice i read not other replies here at all i have many "normal?' hobbies but gambling is one of my favorites however there are two distinct branches way too different from my POV , i will reply to OP twice :
1. Real life gambling
Meeting interesting people , even gambling maniacs are in a wicked way so interesting to watch , better than Netflix !
Making lowest bets possible is my way , i buy satisfaction winning against variance beast , and bragging a bit around !
I am always too relaxed as a person , i love to listen to my heart beat , proof i am alive kind of
2. Online gambling
Chat is sub-optimal way to interact with other humans or bots? but still is fun activity for me
My hyper active mind can run freely creating useless patterns and making nonsense conclusions
it is however a mind training opportunity , after few decades i feel better and with less fallacies
I kept it short since i sensed you got my 2 satoshi Elias Ch. |
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Thank you both !
I will lock this thread now.
Elias Ch.
Have a good day and health my wish for all of us.
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blah.blah Have you checked whether this ponzi cloud mining is still working? If he counted for you 2 satoshi every 3 seconds, then during these three years you should already collect 7BTC for option V1.5 and instant withdrawals Damn! i lost my sites credentials !! Now what?  Quote of the day badge awarded to User:codegnome !! you owe me 5.1 BTC as cartage my friend. This is my trap ! (*evil laugh*) Good day and health to all and myself. Elias Ch, Forum Comedian and more. * cartage concerning the FREE badge << |
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a huge ligature ! how nice !
good day and health to all BitcoinTalk users.
Elias Ch.
disclaimer : this is not spam , i made a mistake : mentally locked the thread. i am trying to correct it.
thread has still great potential . thanks OP !
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I feel for you man, best of luck with everything.
the turning point! i wish you all , just ... healthElias Ch. |
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