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@smart9990 ist das Projekt als Pyramide ausgelegt? Wie wurde das Geld für die Ausschüttung der Dividende erwirtschaftet?
Apologies for responding in English, I understand, but really cant write german. Think it through; can you imagine smart990 actually had a secret way to generate >3000% profits per year and just sold this magic scheme? Then another known scammer buys it, and resells it to some russian? What would you do if you had a way to generate >3000% profit per year? So of course its a ponzi. More specifically, its a clone of stock generation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stock_Generation(I cant find a german page describing it) Its the exact same concept. The bad news: contrary to normal ponzi's, this might actually be legal, at least if they return the funds the in the "spar buche" and honor the minimum guaranteed buy back clauses for the other "projects". In that case, most investors would "only" lose 75-90% of their money. Your problem , dear puppet , is not the language.....rather than du siehst den Wald vor lauter Bäumen nicht (missing the forest for the trees) -- you loud mouthed a bet for Vescudero being a ponzi and then couldn´t climb on that tree, when Zyk took you up on this. .......again there are a lot of illicit funds to be misappropriated in this now and are already stolen.You hinder the community with your speculations to find out where they are and from where to get them back. smart will be the sucker in all of this, as he is responsible for most of the coins in the Sparbücher, Ziggy will run with the money gotten from Victor, doing Offenbarungseid and this guy will do the stalling tactic, while disappearing with the data and the actual coins of mbct wallets. Why Micon knew even before smart that the impressum is russian should be more of a concern to you now! Anyway........most of the ponzis gains are not to be found in the inventors pockets but at the passthrough operators first accounts ........in bitcoin....if we where a community and would be able to clean the slates where the profits went.......technically surely no problem but practically not working as the suckers are to stupid again to see that the authorities, where they look for a helping hand, are those who betrayed them in the first place. |
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@Ziggi nach abmachung mit dem käufer, übernimmt er ALLE FONDS und ALLE SPARBÜCHER. ich warte wie gesagt noch auf antwort seinerseits wie es ausschaut Ist hier mit Käufer der Fondskäufer oder Viktor gemeint? ---- Ja die Leute die nicht in Sparbücher oder den abgesicherten Fond investiert haben werden wohl nur noch die 25% sehen. schön wärs....du stehst glaub ich total aufm Schlauch  |
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If pirateat40 is located in Texas, I could collect money from him for those owed.
What would be a fair percentage collection fee?
I guess that would depend upon how you propose collecting the debt. My mental universe has enough room to allow that BST may not have been a ponzi. At least not by design. Yes, it appears it most likely was, but I consider the matter strictly unresolved. Accordingly, while I want my coins back, I do not at this point want to get involved with any rubber hose cryptography. But I do want an explanation. From neither team pirate nor team ponzi, but from pirate himself. I am way past out of patience with his jackoff can and mouse irc games. Do you feel capable of extracting an explanation from him? including not only the nature of the business, but also total inflows and disbursements over time? How would you extract this information from a seemingly unwilling party? Problem is that only juniors and the other latecomers would have an interest in that ! There are more unwilling parties, all those early heroadapters talking here very well know where those coins are and have no interest in rolling back the transactions of pirates - scheme including all the bitcoinmaxes, mybitcointrades and Psy´s own local ponzi......he rather flirts with the "internet -detectives", promotes the next scam in his signature and moderates away any critics. |
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Never underestimate the state's ability to scare or beat its citizens into submission.
Fair enough, but you should also never underestimate the power of an idea whose time has come. Plus, the state's credibility isn't exactly riding high these days. The 2008 financial crisis made a lot of people start asking questions about our monetary system for the first time in their lives. (I'm one of those people.) And I believe that 2008 was only a small preview of coming attractions. When the REAL financial crisis hits, people will likely be even more open to alternatives like Bitcoin. The internet has also weakened the state's propaganda power immensely. Look at the progress that's been made in ending the war on drugs (especially marijuana). Anytime there's a drug war-related story with open comments, those comments run 10 to 1 in favor of reform. You can see the same thing in online articles about Bitcoin when someone tries to spread FUD. Finally, don't forget that the state simply CAN'T stop Bitcoin (or at least that's what I'm told by people much smarter than I am). At best they can temporarily weaken it or slow its growth. But if and when that happens, Bitcoin will simply adapt and come back that much stronger. Holy crap, I'm not sure when it happened, but I think at some point, Bitcoin actually turned me into an optimist. you got it !! Hapy new world |
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was looking through both of your posts to see if I could tell if you were the same person, instead I found this, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=110287Is rhinoswap the secret site that you are selling info to? on a side note, although it looks kind of odd that two new users would be trading BTC for info about some exchange service, I don't believe that you are sock puppets of each other, and if you are, you are doing a very good job. Nope, it's completely different. Don't know the other guy. Don´t feed the trolls, as I have no interest that anybody shares our buiseness secrets  Thanks for establishing our "trading - fortress", where King Arthurs groupthink temple knights can be cut off from there erections  |
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I have offered a review copy @ 1.5 to Chong Ciao. If you don't trust me, well watch. I don't sell BS or scams - you're the one missing out.
Wow Chong Ciao I've got absolutely 0 respect for you!! But am filled up with respect for you, cause the other nine copies will stay out of your reach |
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Whats the yard - stick to decide on topic - off topic?
Is the post related to the OP in any way? If not then it's off topic. I don't generally censor replies just for being off topic, a couple here and there are harmless, only if they break another rule as well (trolling, ad hom, etc). Is there a recourse to moderators , who falsify decisions to their will?
Yes, admins can see pretty much anything mods can do so it would be pretty hard to falsify anything. Is there public scrutiny provided about which moderator decided what?
No. And to reply to an older post ...so if someone does not agree with a comment and reports it as off topic then it will be deleted regardless of how on or of topic it may be. ... No, reports are just suggestions, I look at each objectively. That means deleting is never done without your consent ? Moderators just report ? Is there any thread, where the different powers of moderators, globalmoderators and administrators is explained? Thanks |
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No !
Do you refer to savings - books, when speaking of stockgeneration?
Do you talk about freezers, when you mean canalisation ?
Did you only one time in your live take responsiblity or consequences, when having given wrong advice, because of your limited ability to percieve facts??
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und dann Dominik.
kannst du dir einen Reim draus machen, warum Micon früher wusste als du bzw. bevor es es überhaupt war, dass das Impressum russisch ist....oder wars nicht so?
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Wenn Du und das glaube ich Dir sogar, nicht informiert worden bist, dann ist es der totale scam !
Wie hoch war den der Kaufpreis? Sind die bitcoins der Sparbücher mit verkauft worden ( was gar nicht geht, da Ziggy genauso wenig wie du anderer Leute Eigentum verkaufen kann)?
Oder wieviel glaubst Du, das der verbuggte Quellcode wert war?...( das ist keine Herabsetzung , ich fand die Seite süß und toll )
Mein Rat....kommt nach Beantwortung der Fragen bzw. per PM
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soweit ich das mitbekommen habe wurde der account von smart ebenfalls an den neuen inhaber nach dem verkauf übergebn (also vor dem russen).. ich denke also dass smart hier gar nicht mehr antworten kann weil er gar keinen zugriff mehr auf den account hat... ist aber reine vermutung!!
nee, hab am 11. September ( Nomen est Omen ) noch mit smart alias Dominik Baier über PM aus dem Nähkästchen geplaudert....... brauch ich keine IP Adressen, sein schriftliches deutsch, wie englisch sind unnachahmlich |
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Keywords : not accountable when profiting from proven scamsyou moderator I see....  your signature hurts my chinese eyes even more than an embedded picture... reporting to moderator even if now done by newbie is in vain I guess civility in a forum can´t be promoted, when guys with limited reading ability are handed over the power to silence the newcomers |
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Hi tradefortress,
watch out...those smart folks.....the early heroadapters to pirate....
when there is not one sucker around here, then am happily offering you
1.5 coins for your advice
D´accord ?
Thanks Ciao
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Just federal debt alone, is 16T, 1.1T is just what 7%? yeah that's what I consider tiny. Not to mention we have state and municipal debts, that has already cause a number of municipality to declare bankruptcy. This is just government debt. US companies have another 40T of corporate debt.
It's >25% of foreign-owned debt. The Fed and other US agencies own something like >20% of the total debt, which is fairly meaningless. Any money the fed makes on interest is transferred to the treasury. What do local and corporate debts have to do with this thread? the state built bridges for the homeless and fema camps for those who "occupy" and guantanamos for those who cried for "change" yes we can ! but first lets bomb Iran you elect Ron Paul or your empire is gone |
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Just federal debt alone, is 16T, 1.1T is just what 7%? yeah that's what I consider tiny. Not to mention we have state and municipal debts, that has already cause a number of municipality to declare bankruptcy. This is just government debt. US companies have another 40T of corporate debt. peanuts compared to the shaddow banking systems quadrillion ponzified derivatives....are you american? trying to start counting? |
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cause unfunded obligations of the USA $ ponzi scheme are 1 quadrillion $ as that countrys inhabitants decline to be able to count on three........reconciliation will require even more popcorn as in the second world war..... cause this time it´ll take place on the ignorants own soil |
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I think it would be in the very best interest of the community not to let obvious scams run rampant on this forum. You say freedom of speech. Well, people can run scams, but why should people that come to this (i suppose the larget bitcoin forum), be exposed for it here, and I also think that such operations should not be allowed to run ads here. If the mods and admins do not want to 'censor' such criminal enterprises, then perhaps there should be some feature that people could use that would lable users and threads that are likely to be scams, as such. To avoid being scammed in this community it seems you need to be super paranoid and having a engineers degree.  Of course, the old saying: "If it sounds too good to be true, it usually is" is still valid. I don't think known scammers and schemes that are 99.9999999% sure to be frauds should not have any place whatsoever in this forum. There will always be scammers and frauds, but I don't think we should support them or avoid taking actions because of 'freedom of speech'. obvious scams, likely scams are not proven scams am not asking to take anything down but asking for consequences to the powers of moderators and administrators when they try to or actually profited in proven scams ! |
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Whats the yard - stick to decide on topic - off topic?
Is there a recourse to moderators , who falsify decisions to their will?
Is there public scrutiny provided about which moderator decided what?
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Warning: Moderators do not remove likely scams. You must use your own brain: caveat emptor. Watch out for Ponzi schemes. Do not invest more than you can afford to lose.Thats part of the freedom of speech of course and I fully support!, but.... Moderators and administrators with their special powers are not accountable when profiting from proven scams??? not even needing to fear that those brotherhoodly gained powers are being taken away or even questioned ? Even we newbies, coming with press transported hopes and illusions can see, that this forum is an undemocratic, inbreeding chain - letter, where moderators, heromembers are colluding to skin us off. If this is a false impression, I appologize , but then tell me , how the highest authority is allowed to leave this post uncommented: I don't trust any PPT operators.Theymos (who admits knowledge of and engagement in fraud) and other forum admins (shills) also helped Pirate and PPT operators by facilitating their promotion and encouraging/stickying Patrick's bogus ratings.best posts: How about you do a big public apology first to all the people that warned you, but that you have been shouting down and insulting for over 6 months and more importantly, to the people who trusted your judgement, but that you misled by pretending you knew more than you really did?
The same goes for the rest of the pirate promo team who are now all pretending to be only victims fighting for the righteous cause.
I'd strongly advise filing complaints with whatever information you already have and adding any extra information you have as it comes in. The longer it takes before those who can access all sorts of information about Trendon Shavers which this community cannot start investigating, the more opportunity he has to muddy the trail.
I also believe that it if it was legitimate to ask Bitcoin Magazine to distance itself from Matthew, it is equally legitimate to ask the other members of GPUMax to distance themselves from Trendon and to make a public statement regarding his current role in relation to that entity and whether or not GPUMax itself had any exposure to BS&T (we know that they shared a wallet, but we have no idea to what extent the businesses may have crossed over in other ways).
I doubt very much that no-one closely associated with Trendon knew what he was doing. It's likely some were complicit in his fraud.
Will this auspicious collection of righteous souls also be going after the Pass Through operators who made a tidy little profit shilling for pirate, handling the recruitment of his victims, performing the actual transfer of his victim's funds into his scheme and now all want to so handily hide behind his skirt and claim no culpability?
Seems somehow disingenuous for anyone involved as a co-conspirator to get involved in an effort to track down the bad guy. Of course, OJ claimed he was hunting for his ex-wife's killer while still wiping the warm blood off his gloves, so I guess nothing should surprise us any more.
And drop the potentially. If this effort isn't already exploring every possible legal avenue with full disclosure and cooperation from every PPT operator to help out the investigation on behalf of the victims that you helped create, then this is clearly a scheme for a little extra taste for the poor junior boys who didn't make out like true bandits at the big people's table.
And I have been a very interested observer as you have learned how to put together your ventures. Your learning process has been very public. You just need to think about tightening up on the details now that investment mogul has turned to as-yet uncharged con-conspirator. You are standing at that crossroads where you have to decide who you are- a scummy little sycophant who is trying to bluff his way out of responsibility with empty words, or a man of honor who will do the right thing, and own his mistake, be honest about it, and work to make it better. And perhaps, a small note of humility and contrition? [/quote] [/quote] The fish stinks from the head and some slates need to be wiped clean, if bitcoin wants to get not only the smoke and mirrors image intended by this forum but rather the factual trustworthyness, inherently given by its technical properties! Lets see how far there is still a freedom of speech ingrained at this place left alone consequences to damaging groupthink  
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What makes moderators moderators then globalmods. and then administrators ?
do they need reason for their decisions ? are they scrutinable by newbies?
Thanks
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