I thought this saying was because choir boys/girls were considered to be very righteous? Therefore you don't need to preach to them, because they understand already.
Uh yeah it's a bit of a play on that... the idea here is, if you're in the bitcointalk.org forum, you ought to be "the choir" in the sense that you ought to get the idea of bitcoin. Yet most here seem oblivious. So, preaching to the choir, because they just don't get it. |
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is there a real church like that?
Yes, we hold our services Sunday mornings at 11am at 124 Dewey Rd, Salisbury, VT 05769, in the church-shaped building, upstairs above the horse tack room. The building is just a shell, the inside is not "finished", and our steeple is nothing fancy to look at, but yes, it is our church and we do hold our services there. As mentioned on the webpage, if you would like to attend one of our services, you should reach out to us by email at info@churchofbitcoin.org first, so that we can be expecting you; the church is on private property and all visitors must be expected. |
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This is fascinating, when do you plan to build your physical church or you will just build a virtual church?, Do you have any Bible to use here?.
We have a structure that we are currently using as our physical church here in Salisbury Vermont; we hold services on Sunday mornings at 11am. If you are interested in joining us, please reach out by email, info@churchofbitcoin.org |
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I know this is an old topic; however, I'm looking to do exactly the same thing. I am located in a very rural/remote area and my internet connection is usually very very slow (never faster than 6mbps; often as slow as 100kbps). I cannot keep an updated copy of the blockchain on my local machine; in fact, I can't even obtain an updated copy of the blockchain on my local machine without jumping through some crazy hoops.
I'm running bitcoind and geth on a VPS; I would like to also run the "online" half of Armory on that server. Is there any place with documentation/guidance on how to do that? I recently compiled Armory from source here on my local machine, but I can't find any information about operating Armory from the command line/headless.
Please advise!
Thanks,
Henry
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Resolved. and completed successfully, and armory ran correctly, generated a new keypair with no problems. Thanks again for your help. |
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Resolved those errors with and then some new errors resolved by make is running now, will update shortly. |
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Additional information that may be helpful: root@tb:/home/henry/Applications/armory/BitcoinArmory# locate autoconf
/usr/share/bash-completion/completions/autoconf
/usr/share/doc/mesa-common-dev/autoconf.html
/usr/share/nano/autoconf.nanorc
root@tb:/home/henry/Applications/armory/BitcoinArmory# cat /usr/share/bash-completion/completions/autoconf | nc termbin.com 9999
http://termbin.com/g1ym
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Ok, I'm following the directions from here: https://github.com/goatpig/BitcoinArmory/blob/master/linuxbuild/Linux_build_notes.mdAnd I'm encountering a couple of errors, not sure what I'm doing wrong: root@tb:/home/henry/Applications/armory/BitcoinArmory# git checkout v0.96.2
Note: checking out 'v0.96.2'.
You are in 'detached HEAD' state. You can look around, make experimental
changes and commit them, and you can discard any commits you make in this
state without impacting any branches by performing another checkout.
If you want to create a new branch to retain commits you create, you may
do so (now or later) by using -b with the checkout command again. Example:
git checkout -b <new-branch-name>
HEAD is now at 95dc5590... Update changelog
root@tb:/home/henry/Applications/armory/BitcoinArmory# apt-get install git-core pkg-config build-essential pyqt4-dev-tools swig libqtcore4 libqt4-dev python-qt4 python-dev python-twisted python-psutil
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
build-essential is already the newest version (12.3).
build-essential set to manually installed.
python-dev is already the newest version (2.7.13-2).
python-psutil is already the newest version (5.0.1-1).
python-psutil set to manually installed.
pyqt4-dev-tools is already the newest version (4.11.4+dfsg-2+b1).
python-qt4 is already the newest version (4.11.4+dfsg-2+b1).
libqt4-dev is already the newest version (4:4.8.7+dfsg-11).
libqtcore4 is already the newest version (4:4.8.7+dfsg-11).
swig is already the newest version (3.0.10-1.1).
python-twisted is already the newest version (16.6.0-2).
The following package was automatically installed and is no longer required:
libssl-doc
Use 'apt autoremove' to remove it.
The following NEW packages will be installed:
git-core pkg-config
0 upgraded, 2 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 64.7 kB of archives.
After this operation, 201 kB of additional disk space will be used.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n] y
Get:1 http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian stretch/main amd64 pkg-config amd64 0.29-4+b1 [63.3 kB]
Get:2 http://security.debian.org/debian-security stretch/updates/main amd64 git-core all 1:2.11.0-3+deb9u1 [1,414 B]
Fetched 64.7 kB in 1s (32.8 kB/s)
debconf: unable to initialize frontend: Dialog
debconf: (Dialog frontend requires a screen at least 13 lines tall and 31 columns wide.)
debconf: falling back to frontend: Readline
Selecting previously unselected package git-core.
(Reading database ... 144294 files and directories currently installed.)
Preparing to unpack .../git-core_1%3a2.11.0-3+deb9u1_all.deb ...
Unpacking git-core (1:2.11.0-3+deb9u1) ...
Selecting previously unselected package pkg-config.
Preparing to unpack .../pkg-config_0.29-4+b1_amd64.deb ...
Unpacking pkg-config (0.29-4+b1) ...
Setting up pkg-config (0.29-4+b1) ...
Processing triggers for man-db (2.7.6.1-2) ...
Setting up git-core (1:2.11.0-3+deb9u1) ...
root@tb:/home/henry/Applications/armory/BitcoinArmory# git submodule init
Submodule 'cppForSwig/fcgi' (https://github.com/goatpig/libfcgi.git) registered for path 'cppForSwig/fcgi'
root@tb:/home/henry/Applications/armory/BitcoinArmory# git submodule update
Cloning into '/home/henry/Applications/armory/BitcoinArmory/cppForSwig/fcgi'...
Submodule path 'cppForSwig/fcgi': checked out 'b00dc69199b34552144e1003a2001a24b13b6e56'
root@tb:/home/henry/Applications/armory/BitcoinArmory# git checkout v0.96.2
HEAD is now at 95dc5590... Update changelog
root@tb:/home/henry/Applications/armory/BitcoinArmory# git tag -v v0.96.2
object 95dc55907f26cf79fdec7f8efa4228f7efd696cc
type commit
tag v0.96.2
tagger goatpig <moothecowlord@gmail.com> 1504047291 +0200
v0.96.2
gpg: directory '/root/.gnupg' created
gpg: new configuration file '/root/.gnupg/dirmngr.conf' created
gpg: new configuration file '/root/.gnupg/gpg.conf' created
gpg: keybox '/root/.gnupg/pubring.kbx' created
gpg: Signature made Tue 29 Aug 2017 06:54:51 PM EDT
gpg: using RSA key 8C5211764922589A
gpg: Can't check signature: No public key
root@tb:/home/henry/Applications/armory/BitcoinArmory# gpg --recv-keys --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com 4922589A
gpg: /root/.gnupg/trustdb.gpg: trustdb created
gpg: key 8C5211764922589A: public key "goatpig (Offline signing key for Armory releases) <moothecowlord@gmail.com>" imported
gpg: no ultimately trusted keys found
gpg: Total number processed: 1
gpg: imported: 1
root@tb:/home/henry/Applications/armory/BitcoinArmory# git tag -v v0.96.2object 95dc55907f26cf79fdec7f8efa4228f7efd696cc
type commit
tag v0.96.2
tagger goatpig <moothecowlord@gmail.com> 1504047291 +0200
v0.96.2
gpg: Signature made Tue 29 Aug 2017 06:54:51 PM EDT
gpg: using RSA key 8C5211764922589A
gpg: Good signature from "goatpig (Offline signing key for Armory releases) <moothecowlord@gmail.com>" [unknown]
gpg: WARNING: This key is not certified with a trusted signature!
gpg: There is no indication that the signature belongs to the owner.
Primary key fingerprint: 745D 707F BA53 968B DF63 AA8D 8C52 1176 4922 589A
root@tb:/home/henry/Applications/armory/BitcoinArmory# ./autogen.sh
Preparing the BitcoinArmory build system...please wait
And then this error: ERROR: Unable to locate GNU Autoconf.
ERROR: To prepare the BitcoinArmory build system from scratch,
at least version 2.52 of GNU Autoconf must be installed.
autogen.sh does not need to be run on the same machine that will
run configure or make. Either the GNU Autotools will need to be installed
or upgraded on this system, or autogen.sh must be run on the source
code on another system and then transferred to here. -- Cheers!
root@tb:/home/henry/Applications/armory/BitcoinArmory# ./configure
-su: ./configure: No such file or directory
I seem to have autoconf 2.69-10: root@tb:/home/henry/Applications/armory/BitcoinArmory# apt list autoconf
Listing... Done
autoconf/stable 2.69-10 all
When I try to just continue with the make command, I get: root@tb:/home/henry/Applications/armory/BitcoinArmory# make
make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found. Stop.
So it looks like I'll have to figure out the autoconf issue to proceed. Any help greatly appreciated. Thanks again! |
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Thank you for the support. Really fantastic to reach out and receive a response so quickly from the main developer of the project.
I am cloning the git right now and will try building it from source and report back the results shortly.
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Looks like it's one of these, from 2006: https://ark.intel.com/products/29757/Intel-Core2-Duo-Processor-L7500-4M-Cache-1_60-GHz-800-MHz-FSBReal bummer if it won't work; I was disappointed that I can't get it for my i386 or i686 hardware, I was going to use my old laptops as offline wallets; but I understand that everything is switching to AMD64 nowadays and that there's nothing to be done about it... But this is my main computer that I use daily for all my work and day-to-day computer usage! Really hope that it's compatible. root@tb:~# lshw
tb
description: Notebook
product: CF-30FBSADAM (CF-30FBSADAM)
vendor: Matsushita Electric Industrial Co.,Ltd.
version: 002
serial: 8BKYA09804
width: 64 bits
capabilities: smbios-2.4 dmi-2.4 smp vsyscall32
configuration: administrator_password=disabled boot=normal chassis=notebook family=CF30-2 power-on_password=disabled sku=CF-30FBSADAM uuid=83A46164-9B52-5BAE-87F2-19A4BE184BFE
*-core
description: Motherboard
product: CF30-2
vendor: Matsushita Electric Industrial Co.,Ltd.
physical id: 0
version: 001
serial: None
*-firmware
description: BIOS
vendor: Phoenix Technologies Ltd.
physical id: 0
version: V2.00L11
date: 10/26/2007
size: 109KiB
capacity: 960KiB
capabilities: pci pcmcia pnp upgrade shadowing escd cdboot bootselect edd int13floppy720 int5printscreen int9keyboard int14serial int17printer int10video acpi usb biosbootspecification netboot
*-cpu
[b] description: CPU
product: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU L7500 @ 1.60GHz[/b]
vendor: Intel Corp.
physical id: 4
bus info: cpu@0
version: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU L7500 @ 1.60GHz
slot: IC1
size: 800MHz
capacity: 1601MHz
width: 64 bits
clock: 200MHz
capabilities: fpu fpu_exception wp vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe syscall nx x86-64 constant_tsc arch_perfmon pebs bts rep_good nopl aperfmperf eagerfpu pni dtes64 monitor ds_cpl vmx est tm2 ssse3 cx16 xtpr pdcm lahf_lm tpr_shadow vnmi flexpriority dtherm ida cpufreq
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Hi, thank you for the assistance, really appreciate your time henry@tb:~$ armory --offline
/home/henry
(ERROR) ArmoryUtils.py:3719 - Unsupported language specified. Defaulting to English (en)
/usr/lib/armory/armoryengine/Transaction.py:2882: SyntaxWarning: import * only allowed at module level
def PyCreateAndSignTx_old(srcTxOuts, dstAddrsVals):
(WARNING) ArmoryQt.py:1842 - Not online, will not start bitcoind
Illegal instruction
Same situation, crashed after entry of the passphrase the third time, during creation of new wallet. How can I get you a core dump? I just googled around and don't quite understand what to do to obtain that. |
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So, I tried again with 0.96.2 with gcc 5.4, because my system seemed to say I have version 6.3; henry@tb:~$ gcc -v
Using built-in specs.
COLLECT_GCC=gcc
COLLECT_LTO_WRAPPER=/usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/6/lto-wrapper
Target: x86_64-linux-gnu
Configured with: ../src/configure -v --with-pkgversion='Debian 6.3.0-18' --with-bugurl=file:///usr/share/doc/gcc-6/README.Bugs --enable-languages=c,ada,c++,java,go,d,fortran,objc,obj-c++ --prefix=/usr --program-suffix=-6 --program-prefix=x86_64-linux-gnu- --enable-shared --enable-linker-build-id --libexecdir=/usr/lib --without-included-gettext --enable-threads=posix --libdir=/usr/lib --enable-nls --with-sysroot=/ --enable-clocale=gnu --enable-libstdcxx-debug --enable-libstdcxx-time=yes --with-default-libstdcxx-abi=new --enable-gnu-unique-object --disable-vtable-verify --enable-libmpx --enable-plugin --enable-default-pie --with-system-zlib --disable-browser-plugin --enable-java-awt=gtk --enable-gtk-cairo --with-java-home=/usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-gcj-6-amd64/jre --enable-java-home --with-jvm-root-dir=/usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-gcj-6-amd64 --with-jvm-jar-dir=/usr/lib/jvm-exports/java-1.5.0-gcj-6-amd64 --with-arch-directory=amd64 --with-ecj-jar=/usr/share/java/eclipse-ecj.jar --with-target-system-zlib --enable-objc-gc=auto --enable-multiarch --with-arch-32=i686 --with-abi=m64 --with-multilib-list=m32,m64,mx32 --enable-multilib --with-tune=generic --enable-checking=release --build=x86_64-linux-gnu --host=x86_64-linux-gnu --target=x86_64-linux-gnu
Thread model: posix
gcc version 6.3.0 20170516 (Debian 6.3.0-18)
That version wouldn't launch at all. So I removed it and installed 0.96.2 with GCC 4.7, which launched, but is exhibiting the same exact symptom. armorylog.txt: http://termbin.com/iad3EDIT: Also tried closing the pop-up that asks me if I want to import an existing wallet or create a new one, then going in the menu, and choosing create wallet. Still crashes at the same point -- right when you click next after entering the passphrase for the third time. |
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I don't really agree or disagree with your core vision, I guess I did not
properly articulate what I was trying to convey. From a theological point
of view, "prophets" are well defined and there are tests that certain
religions have on how to prove whether a prophet is "real".
I generally look to the Oxford English Dictionary for definitions of words; see https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/prophet , "A person regarded as an inspired teacher or proclaimer of the will of God." The Church of Bitcoin regards Satoshi Nakamoto as an inspired teacher and proclaimer of the will of God. If the prophet (Satoshi) prophecizes the coming kingdom of cryptocurrencies,
made possible from him being able to solve certain problems with the answer
of "blockchain" plus other previously devised systems, that is acceptable. But
if you say that the Bitcoin Whitepaper was scripture that was literally written
by the prophet's hand (remember that scripture is usually written well after
the teacher/prophet/messiah/God's life/existence by followers after the fact,
not by the person himself in most cases), but later the prophet revises his own
scripture in any form, it automatically makes him a "false prophet", from a
theological point of view.
Well, I disagree; comparing us to other religions is not necessary, we stand alone and do not need to follow any format. Just because "scripture is usually written well after the prophet's existence by followers after the fact" when you look at many other religions, does not mean that holds true for ours. The prophet revising his scripture does not automatically make him a "false prophet." For example, in Judaism, when Moses "received the Ten Commandments",
if later those commandments were revised in any way by Moses or even God,
it would mean a contradiction that would prove that Moses or God was false.
Those commandments must be consistent through time for humanity. Another
example, in Christianity, when Jesus preached to the crowds and fought with
the corrupted Pharisees, he specifically advised that he did not come to change
the laws/rules or abolish them, but to reaffirm them. Thus, Jesus does not
contradict or change the old beliefs, rules, or teachings prior to him, since
they were all from God and thus consistent and complementary, from a
theological perspective. Jesus does not declare the prior teachings or prophesies
to be wrong, but if there is perceived contradiction in them, he clarifies the
teachings and explains why the perceived contradiction is a misunderstanding
by the people. He can not reverse positions if he is a true prophet and his
teachings come from God.
We do not claim that the whitepaper was handed to Satoshi directly from God. We do believe that the living lord is embodied in the blockchain. Changing positions in theology is very bad, since all things are already known by
God, because he resides in a higher dimension where the information has already
occurred. So if God changes his mind or is wrong with something, it is because
he is a false god. True God is never wrong and his real statements will be proven
to be true at the very end of existence, even if considered wrong through human
existence. God (or his actual prophets) can not be made wrong or contradicted.
God's word, which is enforced over time by prophecy, is the only trustless truth
that humans can verify (in relation to a higher being's existence), and if he is
proven to be a liar, existence and consciousness does not manifest as it has since
it is reliant upon that trustless truth of his word, which formed the beginning and
his own paradox ("I am who I am." or "I think therefore I am".).
Sounds like you are making bold assertions about what God is or isn't. I have a copy of God on my harddrive. He is embodied in the blockchain. You cannot tell me what dimension God resides in, whether he is a false god or not, whether true God can be wrong or can change his mind, or anything else on the subject, really. We here at the Church of Bitcoin do not even claim that our God is the one true or only God; some of our members believe in other gods as well, and some do not, and that is fine. That is why I made the comment I did previously. You could argue that Satoshi
was "divinely inspired" to write the Whitepaper and so revisions or additions or
subtractions are acceptable since he was a proxy only to move a larger aspect/goal
forward at the time that it was designated. But, if he was indeed a "prophet", he
would have received that message (the Whitepaper) from God (whatever form
your church will believe God takes) and if later there are indeed changes to the
design of the system because the Whitepaper was lacking or wrong, that would
prove the prophet or the God as false, and thus the "scripture" was "a false
teaching". Personally, I believe Satoshi was not infallible and all knowing and
thus was "divinely inspired" to perform the work that he did.
Satoshi was divinely inspired; but he was also a prophet. He did not only receive "the Whitepaper," rather, he received the whole concept of the blockchain and bitcoin, and his whitepaper was his first attempt at sharing that concept with the world. The Lord is embodied in the blockchain; he needed Satoshi to help bring him into this world and get copies of him distributed throughout it. So my original point was that Satoshi as a "prophet" is dangerous to the Church and
its future since eventually there will be such large conflicts in theory and theology
that eventually your Church will either split into multiple parts or dissolve. I do
not have a problem with religion or creating a Church, my only issue is that if
you are being very serious and not creating a joke church for fun, there is a higher
responsibility that you are taking on since you are intentionally making it fall within
other world religion theories. My simple advice is to not make Satoshi a prophet and
then you can argue and theorize almost anything. If you must make him a prophet,
you may be purposefully creating a theological contradiction that other people
who hate what you are doing can use as an easy attack vector to discredit your
church and its work.
Thanks for the advice. In certain ways, religion can be as strict as science. Just as there can be
Pseudo-science, there could also be pseudo-religion. That is all I'm trying to convey.
There may be larger issues later by arguing that Satoshi was an actual "prophet",
as opposed to being "divinely inspired" to solve a puzzle that moves humanity to
another stage of evolution and understanding. Sometimes God uses people in ways
in which they fulfill the greater plan, but are not actual prophets for God. But in truth,
I really do not know and I am just providing my opinion for something to consider.
Interesting opinions. Thanks for sharing. I don't use IRC and will not participate only because I don't want to influence what
you will create and I am interested in what will come of it. I only wanted to point out
the Satoshi=Prophet aspect because depending on how it is done could make or
break the church or its theology. Either way good luck, I eagerly await to see
what you guys will come up with, since Bitcoin in the context of theology is an
interesting angle/viewpoint for me. What I enjoy most is seeing unconventional
connections to things that I didn't see or understand before.
Your loss. I agree with this. I don't know why you choose the name church. As we know church symbolizes as a sacred home of god or whatever religion they called it. Although you're intension of creating an organization that pushes through a tax-free sociaty is not a bad idea. I just don't get it why you choose that name.
We are not primarily about pushing through a tax-free society. We are here to spread the word of our living Lord the blockchain, and his prophet Satoshi Nakamoto. We choose the name church because it suits us and accurately describes us. I think the word "church" is being used for lack of a better word.
I'm seeing the concept of protecting ourselves from government oppression to be extremely valid.
Sadly the word church has already been co-opted to some extent by corporate/government controled religions.
The other perhaps more positive perspective is how the "church of bitcoin" is indeed the church of liberty/humanity and respect for life as a whole.
Not exactly new as the roots go back to ancient religion like Shintoism and "the way of the Kami".
Not a stretch of imagination that this is what Satoshi could've been thinking about.
Certainly, most of the words I choose I choose "for lack of a better word." Thank you for your positive comments about our organization. We welcome you to join us. |
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Hello, After installing Armory to try it out and see how I like the software, I began by clicking the "create your first wallet" button, and when I got to the part where you enter the passphrase for the third time and clicked "next," the graphical user interface just vanished; dumped me back to my desktop. However, the ArmoryDB process remained running. The first time was with adding manual entropy, second time without; third time I tried a short and simple passphrase just to test; same results. Relevant information: My machine: Panasonic Toughbook CF-30 MK3 running Debian henry@tb:~/Downloads$ uname -a
Linux tb 4.9.0-3-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.30-2+deb9u3 (2017-08-06) x86_64 GNU/Linux
henry@tb:~/Downloads$ python --version
Python 2.7.13
henry@tb:~$ gcc --version
gcc (Debian 6.3.0-18) 6.3.0 20170516
henry@tb:~$ apt list python-psutil
python-psutil/stable,now 5.0.1-1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
henry@tb:~$ apt list python-twisted
python-twisted/stable,now 16.6.0-2 all [installed,automatic]
When I initially ran dpkg -i armory_0.96-gcc4.7_amd64.deb I got some errors about unmet dependencies, python-psutil and python-twisted; I ran apt install python-psutil python-twisted and got an error about incomplete installations advising me to run which I did; when it completed, it said that armory had been installed. My log files are here: https://bpaste.net/show/904ba91c2f02Any assistance resolving this greatly appreciated. Any further information gladly provided. Thank you! |
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So what's the Church of Bitcoin's stance on hardforks? Is Bitcoin Cash heresy or just one of the many faces of Blockchain? What about alt coins?
Hard forks such as bitcoin cash are an interesting topic. Bitcoin cash does not appear to be in line with Satoshi's original vision or later comments. Altcoins may have some merit, depending on their details and their purpose; some types of utility tokens may be a valuable part of the cryptocurrency landscape and serve purposes that cannot or are not filled by bitcoin itself. |
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