Instead, you want to act like a smart-ass sharing Michael Jackson videos
And? Is this quote of me your way of saying your done with this conversation? You make a statement as "FACT" that no algorithm can be truly ASIC/FPGA resistant. I showed you there is proof to make an algorithm [Not resistant] to ASIC's and FPGA's BUT put them on an even keel with GPU's. You even linked a video titled, "Can't Win" after making a statement that's NOT FACT. What's the purpose behind such a video? If it was to say, "There's no hope." I've provided support there is hope. In fact, there's a solution. Probably several solutions. If you linked the video for the purpose of rubbing in what you THOUGHT was a winning argument, then you're just as guilty of not "communicating" but simply shilling [With sarcasm; whether ignorantly or knowingly] for BITMAIN. You say you have GPU's. If so, one would think you would STAND against BITMAIN's efforts to have CENTRALIZED control of yet ANOTHER PoW algorithm. Which, in turn, would give them another coin(s) to have a Composite position on coin(s) that do not fork away from ASIC's. Translation: They will have control of mining AND speculation (trading) of another coin(s), such as ZEC and KOMODO. I really wish miners would take the time to do research and UNDERSTAND the opportunity DECENTRALIZED crypto currencies with DECENTRALIZED mining has given us to potentially change the world in a POSITIVE way to give WE THE PEOPLE our freedoms back. That freedom is threatened when we have the number one manufacturer of ASIC's actively working to gain majority control of mining all major Proof of Work algorithms. Yes, there's also an issue with centralized pools but that's another subject for another thread. I was in the dark for the first couple of years in my mining endeavors. I had to learn the truth the hard way. I'm sharing what I've learned with those who are relatively new to mining or thinking about getting involved with mining. Protecting "decentralization" IN ALL FORMS is what's important. NOT PROFIT based on greed. Remember, I used to be one who was blinded by his own greed for profit with no thought of the importance to keep a currency decentralized [In all forms] for the betterment of humanity. Could you please quote me where Im linking all these videos? Michael Jackson videos? "Cant win" video?? What are you talking about? As Ive said earlier, IMO GPUs should be used for fog computing purposes, while asics are more efficient for stupid bruteforce number guessing (mining).
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Instead, you want to act like a smart-ass sharing Michael Jackson videos
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Making up stuff again are we?
"Bitmain's Pre-Mining Policy is a Gold Mine" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNg5yxlvvngAfter watching that video, you'll see what I mean by BITMAIN mining [so-called "testing"] Z9 mini's before shipping them off to those who purchased for August/September delivery. However, I'm smart enough to do the math to KNOW BETTER. The hash rate required for that kind of revenue would have to be exponential. The only answer for that amount of hash rate is a Z9 ( not mini) mining at 30k to 40k sol's each. They are selling crumbs (Z9 mini) to useful idiots blinded by their own greed and believing the BITMAIN ILLUSION. I can show even more research I've done but why should I? You're not interested... You apparently don't want to communicate. Still no mention of PROG PoW? Ignoring it? You have Z9 or Z9 mini? If so, concerned about your investment getting bricked? Don't want to SEE potential writing on the wall for Z9 or Z9 mini? I was referring to the michael jackson stuff. I havent had the time to read up on PROG PoW yet. I have ordered Z9 mini's, and Im deep in GPUs, stop judging.
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Yeah my opinion doesnt matter because it differs from yours, got it.
And that's your comeback? Really? I sure didn't say your opinion didn't matter. Apparently, you must think so. I'm simply saying, "YOU'RE WRONG." We clearly cant communicate with eachother, I'm out ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) Bye! Truth is, you don't want to communicate. You only want to "shill." I show you PROG PoW and you don't even make a comment about it. Instead, you want to act like a smart-ass sharing Michael Jackson videos instead of solutions to Centralized Mining like PROG PoW. Making up stuff again are we?
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Yeah my opinion doesnt matter because it differs from yours, got it.
And that's your comeback? Really? I sure didn't say your opinion didn't matter. Apparently, you must think so. I'm simply saying, "YOU'RE WRONG." We clearly cant communicate with eachother, I'm out ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
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I scrolled up, and if the translation is correct, I can't see anyone admitting they currently have Z9. What I see is someone explaining that the full size version will have more chips, and thus higher hashrate. Why are you spreading lies like this?
Miners are priced based on current ROI time, a full version would cost more than the mini. I don't think anyone expected the Z9 mini to be the only equihash miner from Bitmain.
You're as naive as you sound. Did ANYTHING in that post imply "will" [As in "future" tense]? Hell no... You're argument is just a speculative as mine. However, I've been in this game long enough to KNOW how Bitmain works. If you wish to remain a "useful idiot" of Bitmain's, be my guest. Difference is: You're passing along your speculative argument as facts. Cause they are... Just as Monero's hash rate went from over 1 billion down to 150 million after their fork; you will see the same thing with ZEC hash rate if and/or when they decide to fork. I pay attention to a LOT of things in the network (mining addresses, hash rates, etc...) and can read between the lines. You're simply supporting the illusion that once deceived me. OR You're simply another BITMAIN proxy on here shilling and performing damage control. Yeah my opinion doesnt matter because it differs from yours, got it.
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I scrolled up, and if the translation is correct, I can't see anyone admitting they currently have Z9. What I see is someone explaining that the full size version will have more chips, and thus higher hashrate. Why are you spreading lies like this?
Miners are priced based on current ROI time, a full version would cost more than the mini. I don't think anyone expected the Z9 mini to be the only equihash miner from Bitmain.
You're as naive as you sound. Did ANYTHING in that post imply "will" [As in "future" tense]? Hell no... You're argument is just a speculative as mine. However, I've been in this game long enough to KNOW how Bitmain works. If you wish to remain a "useful idiot" of Bitmain's, be my guest. Difference is: You're passing along your speculative argument as facts.
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Haters gonna hate.
I don't "hate" any of you or Bitmain. "Hate" is a harsh word. If this is your way of trying to make yourself feel better about Bitmain having a Z9 that's NOT "mini," then be my guest and pat yourself on the back. What is the delivery date and cost of the Z9JUMBO? Since you are like my wife and know everything You don't get it, do you... OR you DO get it and know full well what I'm talking about and simply attempting "damage control" for BITMAIN. BITMAIN slips up and admits they have it BUT YOU WILL NEVER SEE IT. Turns out you are one of many Bitmain "Useful Idiots." OR you are a hired sponsor/employee for Bitmain. Which is it? For those just arriving: Scroll up to my previous posts (#845 and #846) to see screen shots posted of Bitmain Co-Owner admitting to having a Z9 (not mini) that's 3 to 4 times higher hash rate [Depending on whether or not it's over clocked, I'm sure].I scrolled up, and if the translation is correct, I can't see anyone admitting they currently have Z9. What I see is someone explaining that the full size version will have more chips, and thus higher hashrate. Why are you spreading lies like this? Miners are priced based on current ROI time, a full version would cost more than the mini. I don't think anyone expected the Z9 mini to be the only equihash miner from Bitmain.
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I'll admit I have ordered a couple of units and paid in BTC, I'm praying this works out! I've been on this forum for 5 years and havent been scammed yet, but this might be my first.
I see all the red flags as well, but I've chosen to gamble on this purchase.
I'll admit it, I'm scared af!
Edit:
I know there is atleast more than 1 person involved, based on writing-style. But they all sign with /July. Not sure what to think about that tbh!
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So, who's ordering?
I'm going to take a leap of faith here as well.
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interesting project... if it's real.
This would be nice to put in my cellar (cool) but then it needs wifi.
I wonder why you can buy shipping for €80 extra?
China chips almost for free to europe so why adding the extra €80 if you only need 1 device?
"Free" shipping uses international standard delivery, do you want to receive your miner 1 month later than the rest? ![Tongue](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)
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I'm in for 1 unit, shipping to Norway ok?
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Here I found something interesting randomly:
"Dr. Randy Huang, FPGA Architect, Intel Programmable Solutions Group, and one of the co-authors, states, “Deep learning is the most exciting field in AI because we have seen the greatest advancement and the most applications driven by deep learning. While AI and DNN research favors using GPUs, we found that there is a perfect fit between the application domain and Intel’s next generation FPGA architecture. We looked at upcoming FPGA technology advances, the rapid pace of innovation in DNN algorithms, and considered whether future high-performance FPGAs will outperform GPUs for next-generation DNNs. Our research found that FPGA performs very well in DNN research and can be applicable in research areas such as AI, big data or machine learning which requires analyzing large amounts of data. The tested Intel Stratix 10 FPGA outperforms the GPU when using pruned or compact data types versus full 32 bit floating point data (FP32). In addition to performance, FPGAs are powerful because they are adaptable and make it easy to implement changes by reusing an existing chip which lets a team go from an idea to prototype in six months—versus 18 months to build an ASIC.”"
That was from last year. In fact, more than a year ago. Bitmain is going after AI. AI is deeplearning. Self driving cars. Recognition software. Billions of dollars.
Bitmain is going to eat NVIDIAs lunch. I would invest in Bitmain if I still was in finance.
Antminer B3 is the first fpga with the ai stuff I think, CCTV facial recognition inc! ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif)
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It was a good call to sell them, I kept mine to the bitter end! haha ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) I think the main reason I dont mind asic's is because I want to use my GPU's in FOG-computing projects like sonm.io. Its a better use of the resources imo! I will reinstall my gpu rigs soon to be ready for testnet release in june! (The only service available in test will still be mining IaaS, as a test deal/task (profit switching) ). You make a lot of good points, but keep the caps and red text on the downlow please ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif) I may have edited some other points while you were creating your post. Yeah, I saw the writing on the wall in mid January, 2016 and sold. I did keep 7 of them just in case Bitcoin were to moon; and it did to $20,000K. Now, I gave those 7 x S7's to my dad. I also gave him eight 6 card R9 380 rigs (they're old) while helping him build a mining closet. Which see: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2865914.0EDIT: By the way, CAPS were only for emphasis, Bro. Not yelling at you by any means, Sir. Much respect... I've already seen the thread, keep posting pics, Im thinking of rebuilding half the garage for mining! ^^
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Look dmwardjr, I've learned a lot from you in the early days, you actually inspired me to build my own mining room back in the day, but I gotta say you seem a little off the railz regarding this issue!
Hi cryptotore, I "respectfully" request to please refrain from "off the rails," Sir. I'll try to discuss with you:
No problem... In my mind ASIC's is good because its the most efficient tech available to date. This means that a network consisting of asics are less vulnerable to takeover from governments/companies. Simply because they cant produce more efficient hardware in secret, and take over the network.
Ohhhh ya thats right, you cant make your money back off them ASIC coins anymore because of the difficulty have ramped up so much. So you want to come and ruin Zcash’s difficulty with ASICs to make a quick buck and act like its the future of mining. I'm HERE to tell you, that QUICK buck is an ILLUSION.I gotta admit this is true, even tho I got 50% asic and 50% gpus at this point! Fun fact, this happend today during transport: ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FXmevRsdm.jpg&t=665&c=DRiObCqbfZR5uQ) As you KNOW, I've been in the space for a while and have had a LOT of experience with BITMAIN. My LAST round of ASIC's I bought from them was 42 x Bitmain S7's in late 2015. All of which I sold in February 2016 and never looked back. I USED to be the one to DEFEND them when they were attacked by others and I believe you KNOW this. THEN I TOOK THE RED PILL AND WOKE UP in February, 2016!!! I did a LOT of research and weighing pros and cons of GPU versus ASIC. ASIC would be fine "IF" {and it's a big if} the manufacturing of ASIC's were not CENTRALIZED, if governments did not pose a risk of banning ASIC's when they are shipped into their country, [GPU's are not so easily banned; as they have multiple purposes], and manufacturers pulling shenanigans in regards to better hardware while selling the scraps to unwary greedy driven miners trying to make a buck while being oblivious to the true "end" of what Bitmain works towards. Which is lining their own pockets at the expense of unwary individuals who are being seriously taken advantage of.
It was a good call to sell them, I kept mine to the bitter end! haha ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) I think the main reason I dont mind asic's is because I want to use my GPU's in FOG-computing projects like sonm.io. Its a better use of the resources imo! I will reinstall my gpu rigs soon to be ready for testnet release in june! (The only service available in test will still be mining IaaS, as a test deal/task (profit switching) ). You make a lot of good points, but keep the caps and red text on the downlow please ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Look dmwardjr, I've learned a lot from you in the early days, you actually inspired me to build my own mining room back in the day, but I gotta say you seem a little off the railz regarding this issue!
I'll try to discuss with you:
In my mind ASIC's is good because its the most efficient tech available to date. This means that a network consisting of asics are less vulnerable to takeover from governments/companies. Simply because they cant produce more efficient hardware in secret, and take over the network.
Bitmain (and others) could have chosen not to sell these machines, and basically taken over the network in secret if they wanted to.
Your view on this?
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*Fetches popcorn and orders some more Z9's* ![Cool](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cool.gif)
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Ty for link! Im familiar with shodan, so I figured it had to be something like that! My mining locations are usually behind a fortigate or ubiquiti usg, so I've never really bothered with changing the logins! ^^ This happend when I got a new uplink, and my gf bypassed the USG when switching ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) I think its strange that factory reset wont change the pw back to the original one, but they have probably changed the default config as well I guess! The only fix is to buy a new controller then? I will probably just scrap them and use the fan's as reserve parts if there arent any easy fixes! ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
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Hi, Long story short: I exposed an L3+ and D3 to the internet (got public IPs, instead of being behind FW). I had not changed default ssh or web gui login, and Im pretty sure someone found the miners while crawling the web and somehow locked me out from accessing it, or bricked it. If I try to access web gui I get "ERR_CONNECTION_REFUSED" Default SSH login is also changed, cant access with root/miner. It seems to be mining when powered on, so somebody is probably getting free shares! ![Tongue](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/tongue.gif) I've tried reset to factory settings without luck. Anyway to fix this, or do I need to buy new controller boards? Cheers, Tore
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