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now I do not understand anything. update is made to not accused of fraud? maybe they are working? who tested the Mass Android Browser?
The update is fake and solely a desperate attempt to hide their theft. |
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That so called update is an act of desperation. They obviously know they've been found out. They don't even have 1 person on the project. "They"?  That update is obviously written by serial lier Alex Kontegna. Not sure Kuzmin even read that. Anyone knows a reliable way to contact Kuzmin? He is going to attend http://fintechrussia.ru, but that will be in the end of March. Probably we need to organise one more crowdfunding, to collect money to publish the truth in Cointelegraph and other media. Maybe that would be enough incentive for Mass organisers to finally get in contact with their invertor's community? I have no doubt Kuzmin is involved. Maybe the media would accept Mass coins as payment. |
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That so called update is an act of desperation. They obviously know they've been found out. They don't even have 1 person on the project. |
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Check out the latest update from Alexander Kuzmin,it seems development is still on going and in progress but I still wonder why he is not posting here where some of it's investors are here and this is where investors and users get their update,i don't know if he just wants to come out clean here ..
This update Is shit. Do you believe it would've happened if there hasn't been all this scam protests? It actually doesn't say anything of any value. I want an update that details the entire project team and new roadmap. I also want a platform to communicate with Kuzmin. |
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I think pianist could've come clean earlier, however the damage was already done.
The blame in my opinion lies with Kuzmin and Ospeckchov. They are undisputed tightly connected and long term partners.
@knowledger / Alex Ospeckchov, you lost all respect when you failed to tell us about where the ico funds went. That fact you tell us mass is an advanced project (yet it has 0 team members) is a joke. It destroys your credibility.
You are at the centre of the these scams alongside Kuzmin and there will be consequences eventually.
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Ok, guys, I can go to this thread if you think that I can delete something important. I have chosen "moderated" thread there just to have ability to remove spam posts, nothing more. Most of you would be happy to get a job offer from Mycelium 6-7 month ago: well-known brand, interesting project. Moreover, I was told that Bitfury will provide payment solution based on Lightning Network, that's what I liked and I accepted Kuzmin's offer. Yes, my mistake was to accept an offer. I did not know Kuzmin/Oschepkov before. Moreover, it was a mistake to start new thread on BCT. But as CTO I had to tell technical details about implementation. I could not imagine that Mass could be a scam project! Charlie Shrem, Sasha Ivanov (Waves), Colu team, Bitfury... I talked with these guys about Mass, we discussed a lot of questions, why should I think something bad? Have you seen the post above from Alex Oschekpov? He says you kicked him off the project and he wasn't a project founder. |
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Know-ledger stop trying to distract us with Russian talk. Nobody has suggested a crime has taken place because of the nationality of the founders.
1) you say you know nothing of the mass strategy or ICO funds. Yet you are a long term partner of Alex Kuzmin and have attempted several schemes since mass. See point
2) Your statement that this Knowledger project has nothing to do with Mass or Swish coin is another lie. Look at the knowledger website. It clearly advetises a blockchain based ad revenue generator (sounds like mass) and a food payment solution for restaurants (sounds like swishcoin to me).
You have a clear partnership with Kuzmin and if you haven't once asked where all these ICO funds go, then you're either stupid or already aware.
And finally the big question which you failed to answer is where did the mass ico funds go?
My site simply shows the docs that are (1) written by me and (b) if clients that have bought the content don't mind. Mass bought one of the docs shown. Swish — another. I might link docs to the projects that used them or I might not depending on whether I wish to promote someone else's brands on my resources. Swish management, as a matter of fact, decided not to implement the essence of the doc, at least for now, as far as I know. I suggested them to move from being restaurant-centric. Regarding swish, I dealt with Mr. Alongi, not Kuzmin, if anyone cares. I am not a partner with Kuzmin, he is my client. Two different things. Yes, I have a doc proving that. And I know nothing indeed of his or his enterprise's state of finance. I did let Kuzmin know that people express worry here. I'm pretty sure he will assign someone to deal with it. Mass is not a "scheme", it's a reasonable project with functioning software. I don't know how many downloads are there for now but it's too early to make judgments—it might gain traction pretty fast. Coin price depends directly on how many people use the app. It doesn't really depend on how well a company or dev team does at a particular point in time. How can mass.network be a Project when there is no team behind it? Not a single dev. It is a scam. |
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where are the ico funds? I think the escrow (Kuzmin) could tell this and is also responsible for informing us. Any other action can be interpreted as an involvement in the scam. Also pianist could tell us what he did with the ico funds before he left the project
Pianist says he never had access to the funds. It was always Kuzmin who controlled the funds. this cant be true! Kuzmin was the escrow. escrow cant be the only one controlling funds. otherwise the project was set up as a scam from the beginning and pianist was involved. Maybe I have missed something but it sounds logical to me My guess is that Kuzmin divvied up some of the funds, kept the rest, and funded a little development just long enough to exit. They were already planning the next ICO before this one had finished. Theory: Essentially Mycelium was broke and started a series of ICOs to keep it floating a little longer, while grasping for something that would generate revenue: May 2016: Mycelium crowdsale : 5,131.445 BTC raised (Source: https://crowdsale.mycelium.com/#/) Dec 2016: Mass Network ICO : 332.148 BTC raised (Source: https://ico.mass.network/#/) Jan 2017: Swish ICO : 16.36 BTC (Source: https://www.smithandcrown.com/event/swish-ico-an-automated-pos-app-leveraging-the-power-of-the-blockchain/) Mycelium Token --> MassCoin --> SwishCoin --> ? Joshua Unseth called it 6 months ago: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/4z3t19/mycelium_crowd_source_question_so_whats_up_with/d6t8htr/ - > knowledger |
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This is horseshit.
If the Alex boys went their separate ways, why have they colluded on Swishcoin and Knowledger since mass.network. Clearly they have an ongoing relationship and you are trying to defend your friend Alex O. Unfortunately he is deep rooted in these scams.
You misunderstood the Mike's reply there. I think you are refering to this part: Alexey's account of the events above is in accord with what I know of the situation. I do not see any reason why he would be involved in a "scam" if this is indeed what is transpiring. He was definitely let go and I was told it was because he and the Alexander's "didnt have the same vision for the project". But I guess the "Alexander" mentioned there is Alexander Pankov, not Alexander Kuzmin. I would delete your comment, if I were you Delete what? I do not believe Alex O. is totally innocent despite what Mike says. I believe he knew of the strategy of Kuzmin and even if Only Kuzmin had control of the funds. Alex O. Was still his long term partner and fully aware. IF Mike thinks Alex O. is innocent and totally unrelated to Kuzmin then why does this knowledger project list a blockchain based ad revenue generator (sounds like mass) and a food payment solution for restaurants (sounds like swishcoin to me) as some of its projects? |
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Know-ledger stop trying to distract us with Russian talk. Nobody has suggested a crime has taken place because of the nationality of the founders.
1) you say you know nothing of the mass strategy or ICO funds. Yet you are a long term partner of Alex Kuzmin and have attempted several schemes since mass. See point
2) Your statement that this Knowledger project has nothing to do with Mass or Swish coin is another lie. Look at the knowledger website. It clearly advetises a blockchain based ad revenue generator (sounds like mass) and a food payment solution for restaurants (sounds like swishcoin to me).
You have a clear partnership with Kuzmin and if you haven't once asked where all these ICO funds go, then you're either stupid or already aware.
And finally the big question which you failed to answer is where did the mass ico funds go?
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@Know-ledger: thanks for sharing your side of story. I have few questions to you, which whould tremendously help understanding the pucture: 1. What is your name, first of all? Are you Alex Kontegna, or Alexey Oschepkov, or both? 2. Are you the one who was posting under the "massnetwork" account on Bitcointalk? If not, then who that was? Drays open your eyes, they are both involved in this. See my post below. |
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where are the ico funds? I think the escrow (Kuzmin) could tell this and is also responsible for informing us. Any other action can be interpreted as an involvement in the scam. Also pianist could tell us what he did with the ico funds before he left the project
Pianist says he never had access to the funds. It was always Kuzmin who controlled the funds. |
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I can't work out if Mike is trying to hide something or is just missing the obvious.
IF his friend Alex O was another innocent party. Then why does Alex O. keep setting up ICOs with Kuzmin?
According to Pianist, the two Alex's ran the show and did all the hiring and firing. So I just don't see how they wouldn't have had insight into the plans for this scheme.
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Hello Michael, I am not interested in further accusations against you, nor attacking your character, nor taking you down, nor holding you responsible - as that is counterproductive to finding any resolution. Unfortunately, it did appear that you were involved with copy and content creation for Mass Network and MassCoin ICO, as well as took credit for raising the funds, and I did bring attention to this and apologize for calling you a "professional scammer" and retract this statement. That fact that you came here to address the accusations, shows that you are a person of integrity. A handful of participants including yourself, are now being "hung out to dry" by Alexander Kuzmin, and Alexey Oschepkov -- who have now moved onto new scams. It has come to light that much of the communications regarding people's involvement in the Mass Network were outright lies and misinformation, which can be seen from the PR that was published at Bitcoin.com https://news.bitcoin.com/mass-network-bitcoin-advertising/Archived Link: http://archive.is/t2S1uIn this article, the Mass Network was referred to as a "Bitcoin Super Team" ... "composed of leading innovators from businesses such as Colu, Mycelium, Evernote, BitFury Capital, Deutsche Bank and IBM." It is unfortunate that you were brought into the fold of this scam, along with Bitcoin.com I believe this situation is sobering for yourself, and for everyone here. Meanwhile, those ultimately responsible are now gone with the rest of the funds. Thank you for addressing the accusations, and providing more facts, as the community works to bring accountability to Alexander Kuzmin and Alexey Oschepkov (Kontegna). I will only let the facts speak for themselves at this point, as they come to the surface. These sorts of ICO PR shenanigans cannot continue to go on at Bitcoin.com or within the Bitcoin space without accountability, and ultimately, that's all people want here -- accountability. copying from the original new thread and my post there DO NOT POST SESC LINKS Hi, Mass Investors! Here's my experience that I feel I need to contribute to the community since this doubt has arisen. 0) Neither me personally, nor my company ( www.knowledger.consulting) have any affiliation with Mass Network or any of its founders/employees. I was just a contractor to Mass writing the white & blue papers and advising on general matters. Neither me, nor my company has ever received or managed in any way any funds directly from the crowdsale discussed. 1) I was first engaged in the project in early August of 2016 when I met Alexander Pankov (nick “pianist”) in Riga, Latvia, EU, in person. I assume, I was quite an obvious guy to get invited since I combine the knowledge of blockchain tech and ad-blocking as you can see in my blog ( https://medium.com/@Knowledger). 2) Alexander Pankov has made an impression of having some deep knowledge of the subject, although I was unpleasantly amazed by him humiliating his wife more than twice publicly during an hour-long meeting. I should have probably withdrawn myself from there right away which I didn't, unfortunately. 3) Alexander Pankov initiated the crowdsale of Mass Network tokens by starting the ANN thread on Bitcointalk. I spent about 40 days communicating with Mass Network representatives while ~90% of messaging happened directly with Alexander Pankov / pianist. 4) I created the white and blue papers of the projects with Michael Malley being my proof-reader and Sam Cheng Hung being the webmaster. Those were the only contacts I had within Mass, besides Alexander Pankov (a lot) and Alexander Kuzmin, occasionally, on general topics. By that time, I assumed that Alexander Pankov has hired all the dev team members by himself. 5) Along the way, Alexander Pankov began to fill my inbox with tons of messages that were self-contradictory, controversial, and not making sense at all. I expressed doubt he could manage his way, in polite terms. 6) In mid-September 2016 I was kicked off the project by Alexander Pankov with the extremely rude wording "I don't need you in the project, being impertinent to me is your life-lesson". I can prove that to any entity and will insist that in any court should that take place. 7) Later, along the project development, Alexander Kuzmin accurately calculated my participation and let me off, fulfilling all obligations to me, after his purchase of the entire thing, with no objections from my side whatsoever. I also had relations with him in the Mycelium Card project ( https://card.mycelium.com) years before, where he also behave himself as a gentleman. I have no grounds to suspect him in any wrongdoings. He was indeed an escrow of the funds, according to his own words. I have zero knowledge on how funds received during the crowdsale were used, though. I have to mention that Alexander Kuzmin has received a number of suggestions from me that he has ignored. Specifically I have advised him to withdraw from specific partnerships that he has announced on the Mass Network website. Him not doing so does not lead me to the assumption he meant any harm to Mass Network investors, rather I suppose I have limited knowledge of the matter. Cool Alexander Pankov has "left the project" in December 2016, according to his own words. That happened RIGHT AFTER all the crowdfunding money were collected. We only have his word for that event, as a matter of fact. 9) In February 2017, Alexander Pankov (nicknamed "pianist") names me as a project "founder" while he well knows I am not and was not. That’s a blatant lie. It seems he is trying to blame me. 10) I have no grounds to suspect the project has let its investors down and stopped development. I don’t know why they have let this escalate or generate such a suspicious feeling in the community, I just felt I need to honestly express my view and what I know for sure. ______ Regards, Alex Knowledger.consulting Just as I expected. Everyone here was involved, but nobody can take responsibility. And it seems that Alexander Kuzmin is the one who has "disappeared without a trace". Thanks for speaking out your version of the facts. This is a horrible shit-stain on Mycelium. tokyopotato, Thanks for retracting your statement about me as a scammer. Now, I must comment on 1) Mr. Alexey Oschepkov and his involvement as well as 2) bitcoin.com's involvement (which was nothing other than to publish a press release). 1) I have never met Oschepkov in person but we worked together on various publications, including the whitepaper. He, as main author, and myself as copy-editor (he wrote it and i edited for grammar, clarity as I am a native ENG speaker and understand that basic concepts involved). Alexey's account of the events above is in accord with what I know of the situation. I do not see any reason why he would be involved in a "scam" if this is indeed what is transpiring. He was definitely let go and I was told it was because he and the Alexander's "didnt have the same vision for the project". And if he was a scammer, why the hell would he be in here defending himself? Wouldn't he be avoiding this entirely like some of the others implicated? I see no reason to go after the only people who are in here trying to help you all. Please consider the facts as well as the transparency with which he and I have communicated with this thread. I do not know about him but I am taking time out of my work schedule to address any questions and help in any way I can. It pains me to see (from what I know) a decent person like Mr. Oschepkov, implicated without much evidence other than having written the white paper. He's a smart guy and about as hardcore of a bitcoin/blockchainer as I have ever met. Ask yourself why a "scammer" with his name on Mass documents would then put his name on Knowledger as if no one would notice. It doesn't make any sense. 2) bitcoin.com posted the press release of Mass... Guess what? So did coindesk and others.. are they to be dragged through the mud too here? It seems very clear that Mr. Kuzmin and any others currently involved in Mass are the people who need to be contacted. This is horseshit. If the Alex boys went their separate ways, why have they colluded on Swishcoin and Knowledger since mass.network. Clearly they have an ongoing relationship and you are trying to defend your friend Alex O. Unfortunately he is deep rooted in these scams. |
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Wow the plot thickens. Rassah is a Mycelium Dev working on the wallet products who claims to know nothing about Mass.Network. That screenshot shows otherwise, it seems some folks have short memories. This indicates a deliberate and deep running collusion Mycelium managed operation to scam. |
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We need to create a scam thread on scam sections about Mass Token,It's been a long time we should not let this people get away just like this,no wonder there were no updates,their thread and roadmap are good that you will have second thought plus their mass plugin was set up,this is a well planned scam .. |
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So you did not found the project? You were just hired to write some basic software? Then they dropped you because funds were gone?
Yes, project founders are Oschepkov and Kuzmin. There were fake news: https://blog.mass.network/mycelium-ceo-acquires-mass-network/I was very angry, because it was 100% untruth. But Kuzmin told me that this announce is for PR only, so he could officially become a CEO. I decided not to quit, because everything looked ok, and devs were working. And I wanted to make a release of software. Why they dropped me in Dec? I don't know, may be because I had so many questions... But the other team members continue to work on project and worked until he stopped paying anything. Thank you for being honest and providing the information. I guess this points all the fingers at Kuzmin and his partner in crime. The swishcoin project has an almost identical setup as mass. Same website template and a half finished piece of shit available for download on Google Play. Does anyone still think they are trying to start a real business? |
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For those that arent aware: 1. mass.network ICO has completed but failed miserably to hit its target yet someone has retained all 320 BTC of investment. 2. the official site lists a team of people who are not working on the project. Some are mycelium staff unaware of mass.network. Some have never been involved with mass.network or mycelium (check social media profiles). https://mass.network/team.html3. Original developers refused to publish escrow address, and escrow was controlled by CEO of mass.network. 4. There are no lines of communications with the project. No slack, facebook, twitter, or bitcointalk activity. The only email address provided isn't even a manned account as there is no reply to any emails. 5. A prototype was released in October but nothing has happened since. There is no updated roadmap, only the original now out-of-date whitepaper plan based on ico hitting 1000BTC. 6. The ICO rewards and bounties were never honored. 7. It would seem all the ico funds have been taken and are clearly not used for any development or marketing activities. Check github -Prototype done in October, minor comments added a few weeks ago.No other development. No marketing or social media presence. What are the funds being used for? 8. Nobody from mycelium or the original mass.network team will respond to any requests for information. This looks like a scam, in which $200k of BTC has not been returned to investors and there is no clear intention to develop this project in any meaningful manner. Likely the project will be allowed to die slowly with the bulk of the ICO funds unspent. These projects are bad for crypto and are almost fraudulent in their behaviour. I ask anyone who disagrees or represents the project to challenge me on any of these statements and explain their actions. |
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@pianist are you not angry with these two fraudsters?
Why did you not come out and tell us this before?
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Please all major investors PM me also. We will find answers together. I haven't really participated on these forums in recent years so had to create a new account. I am an investor in this project. I look forward to hearing from you and we will develop a strategy together.
I can help you, you may contact me for any questions. I also can reply here. So you did not found the project? You were just hired to write some basic software? Then they dropped you because funds were gone? |
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