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21  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: WHAT HAPPENS IF BTC TOUCHES 100K ? on: January 16, 2020, 05:13:55 AM
Have you see the movement price when bitcoin had touched its all time high at 2017 ago?  What was happening with altcoin price, it's pretty much the same in every cycle my friend. Altcoin prices were following the bitcoin price and their price was also touched all time high. I'm still waiting for the bitcoin price to pump rapidly to the new all time highs or maybe even 100 thousand as you mentioned. Then I will be waiting for an altcoin pump as well

Well since you based it on what happened last 2017, have you also noticed the correction it took after reaching almost 20k? More than a year of bear market. Imagine the recoil of a run that would get us to 100k. The heartaches it will cause and the losses it will inflict especially on those people who are all too eager to jump on fomo.
Well if bitcoin reached the massive price of 100k for each coin then there is no doubt that we will be facing a paradigm shift in bitcoin so even if it crashed I do not think it will be as bad as it was during 2017.

The crash of 2017 was so damaging precisely because of that, people believed this was what they have been expecting and this will drive world wide adoption and when that did not happened the price crashed incredibly hard because of it.
22  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Are ICOs really DEAD or simply cleared a path for better projects? on: January 16, 2020, 04:43:37 AM

Icos have been replaced already by ieos, and while ieos had a certain period in which they were very popular we are experimenting once again with ieos what happened with icos.

People are losing confidence in ieos because they are not performing as expected, and while this may surprise some investors it doesn't really surprise me because the only thing that has changed is the way the developers received the money from investors but the projects behind that process have not changed at all.

IEO's still not a guarantee that they are legit replacement of ICOs so we should still extra careful of IEOs as most scammers are also doing this in those exchanges that list IEO at low listing fee, so they are taking granted for it, also does not guarantee that if they are legit we will have more income because it still depends on their project.
at least we can see the seriousness of the project that will sell IEO. logically, there are no good projects that are willing to have their coins traded on bad exchanges. although with expensive fees if they are serious about looking for investors I think it is important for developers to consider the best exchange. at least it reduces the risk of a scammer.
There are many ieos taking place in bad exchanges and many people are participating in them so that is not really a protection and even if an ico takes place in a good exchange that still does not guarantee anything.

At best those ieos will be slightly better than icos but that is all, even if those coins are not scams you are risking your money in something which has a huge failure rate and in which most investors have lost any interest as they have lost too much money to similar projects.
23  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Is BCH, BSV more profitable than Ethereum? on: January 16, 2020, 04:20:08 AM
I don't know what happened with the Ethereum, why this coin's price is not growing that much? Without Bitcoin pumping, Ethereum can't grow a bit. Where BCH or even BSV price keeps pumping like the bull run! Now, 1 BSV coin's price is more than double of 1 Ethereum. I am a holder of Etherem, but day by day I am being frustrated by holding it, it's price is far lower than 200 USD! Unbelievable. What do you think guys? Should I convert my ETH into BSV or BCH for more profit?
Do not do it, it is easy to think that just because ethereum has not grown as much as those coins there must be something wrong with it, but it is the opposite the growth you saw in those coins is impossible to maintain.

The price of those coins is already going down especially in the case of BSV which was the coin that grew the most during the past days and after such a huge unjustified pump we will see the dump, you must remember that you are in this market for the long term and I think ethereum is a way better coin than BSV and BCH.
24  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: IEO vs ICO my opinion, tell me yours on: January 16, 2020, 03:56:41 AM
ICO is never coming back no matter how much you hoped for it to, any new project that tries to use ICO to raise fund will be generally disappointed because they won't get near softcap at all, for IEO it's been said hundreds of time already to stay with Top exchanges
I think that during the next months or years we are going to begin to see a lack of interest in investing in ieos as well because even if you decide to invest in the ieos that are taking place in exchanges with very good reputations that doesn't really mean that you're going to get profits with those projects.

And profits are what every single investor in this market wants to get and since it is impossible to give them a guarantee that they are going to get those profits and with the high failure rate of ieos then the interest to invest in those projects is going to decrease significantly.
Indeed, there is no guarantee that all investments will get a profit, including IEO on exchangers with large volumes. And I think you are right that one day IEO will die just like the ICO that investors have begun to abandon.
Scammers are really smart I will not be surprised if they are already thinking about a new way to try to convince investors to give them their money, I really though that after the fiasco that the market of icos became people will never trust in any of those projects ever again.

But the popularity of ieos during the previous year seems to defy that theory, and if people want to lose their money to scammers there is nothing we can do except to not follow on their footsteps.
25  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: HODL HODL portfolio on: January 15, 2020, 05:29:22 AM
I hold only several yet lucrative coins such as bitcoin, ethereum, bnb and some newly listed yet rising coins in my portfolio. I exchange mostly instead of keeping them for a long time. Many altcoins have a great potential to go up massively in the future, but instead I prefer to trade them to make short term gains. At this time, Bitcoin is going to go up suggesting that bull market is almost happening and those who have been keeping their Bitcoin since last year will be given the opportunity to take benefit at any moment.

Which is as it should be people concentrate too much on useless coins just because they want to obtain profits and in a way I get it but at the same time while the profits you can get are great the people that get those profits are a minority.

Just look at Bitcoin SV, right now is the best performing coin and many are investing in it when its price is so high and most likely that coin will go down during the next days and weeks leaving a handful of rich investors and the rest will lose their money.
26  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: If Bitcoin is a get rich quick scheme, then fiat is a get poor slow scheme on: January 15, 2020, 05:04:24 AM
I wonder why the subject is directly saying using fiats is an indication of a negative future, but in fact, the systems we've developed in fiats is the foundation why we have the best currencies of today which is the cryptocurrency. Being rich will not be determine on what currency we have, nor the economy we belonging into, it will be based on how aware we are to our condition, and how we keep on working hard to escape poverty. As a bonus, if we try to have our knowledge deeper, it will help us to grow faster and eventually become rich.
Fiat currencies are not the foundation of cryptocurrencies, there is a reason why bitcoin is often thought to be some form digital gold, bitcoin has almost all the characteristics of gold but with the advantage that it is very easy to store compared to gold.

But if at some point in time governments begin to develop their own cryptocurrencies you are going to see the difference, they are going to create a centralized cryptocurrency that is going to be nowhere near what bitcoin is about and it will not offer the freedom that bitcoin offers.
27  Economy / Economics / Re: Countries testing digital assets in 2020 on: January 15, 2020, 04:22:20 AM
Sad, all these currencies are just going to be centralized currency. Still no financial freedom and now the Government of those countries can keep a close eye on peoples finance. They can now easily regulate their currency without facing any problem.Sadly, no more financial privacy for people. Let us just see what happens this year. If they can actually implement this in their country, at least people will start knowing more about bitcoin and then the advantages of using bitcoin over the regulated coin. Highly likely, they will stop using their government issued crypto currency and will move to bitcoin.
That is a calculated risk they are taking, they cannot let decentralized cryptocurrencies have a monopoly of this new form of money, but at the same time if they create their own centralized cryptocurrencies people may decide to adopt bitcoin.

There is nothing we can do except to trust that sooner or later people are going to realize that bitcoin is many times better than those centralized cryptocurrencies, and one great way to do that is for bitcoin to keep increasing in price and bring more attention to itself that way.
28  Economy / Speculation / Re: The Trend for 2020. on: January 15, 2020, 03:52:32 AM
I honestly think there will be a lot of sideways action.  There is still an insane amount of people holding $10k plus priced bitcoin from 2017.  There will be some heavy profit taking if we reach the tens this year.  We didnt have that factor in 2017 it was a clear road up.  I'd say we hover around current pricing taking some sharp spikes and dips along the way but otherwise staying even.

So in your opinion, We won't be seeing $20K BTC this year? That's strange. Every 6-7 of 10 people I talked to feels Bitcoin would hit a new ATH this year – somewhere around 30K or more. We did hit 14K at some point in 2019 and I'm sure some of those $10K hodlers sold their stash. Based on the responses in this thread, I think there would be good market movements in 2020 compared to 2019. Don't forget the having event. The price has to increase to compensate for the 50% drop in block rewards.
What is happening at the moment is that bitcoin is incredibly difficult to predict, if the year keeps going in the current direction with similar movements to what we saw today then there is no doubt that we are going to see a new ATH during this year.

But the price of bitcoin is not so easy to predict, it could crash tomorrow for what we know, so as much as I will like to know what it is going to happen I'm just like every other investor in this market, I do not know what bitcoin will do the only thing that I know is that I will be here to take advantage of it.
29  Economy / Speculation / Re: December’s Significance for Bitcoin: All-Time Highs and Bearish Bottoms on: January 14, 2020, 04:25:04 AM
Why would people lose hope if btc doesn't pump after halving? I mean it's a bit foolish to get into bitcoin expecting returns on a certain point, right? Since nothing's really certain about anything in crypto, if you're now expecting a price surge after a certain event, you're already setting yourself up for disappointment. The coming halving may or may not improve the price significantly like before. But i didn't buy and held btc just for that.
Without a doubt that is a foolish thing to do but it is not like investors always take the right decisions, there were many instances in the past in which investors put their money into an asset just because they wanted to earn money really quickly.

And the perfect example of that was the bubble of 2017 when many people that have never heard of cryptocurrencies decided that was a good moment to enter the market just when it was reaching a new all time high almost every day.
30  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin becoming a safehaven currency in Argentina on: January 14, 2020, 04:01:19 AM
Developing countries have the opportunity to spread for bitcoin. But it can be a revolution for countries with a poor economy. People can keep the money as bitcoins so they don't lose value. In this case, the official currency collapses. Bitcoin price movements can make the economy much worse.
If at any point in time bitcoin really becomes widely adopted by the population of a country and they prefer to use it over their currency then bitcoin is not going to be the reason for the collapse of that currency.

Bitcoin will be nothing but the symptom of something going horribly wrong in the economy of that country, but while bitcoin has been adopted in some countries with economic difficulties that adoption has not been so widespread so we have no idea if this is actually going to happen at some point in time.
31  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Investors are getting smarter but why not developers???? on: January 14, 2020, 03:34:55 AM
Yeah investors are getting smarter day by day. It is obvious that many of these project are just there to scam innocent investors by luring them in investing in fake project. Developers also are just in for the money and not thinking about the effect to investors
I think there is another reason why investors seems to have gotten smarter, investors that are not smart are not going to survive for too long in the market, they are going to lose their money and most likely after that happens they will never invest in the market again.

During that time scammers got a lot of money but now the investors that remain are smarter, they have a lot more knowledge about the markets and about the history of cryptocurrencies and they are not going to be so easily deceived as the average investor of the past.
32  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Teach me how to fish on: January 14, 2020, 03:11:30 AM
Trading is profitable at every market condition as long as the volatility on crypto prices exists but if you are not making profits means you didn't learn it well before starting.Guides are not much important all you need is expereince which can be obtained by doing virtual trading on simulators and then get some real money to do that.
That is only true if you make sure that you have several strategies to profit from different market conditions, it is completely different to try to profit from a market that is trending than it is to try to profit from a market that is ranging, unless you know the difference your profits are not going to be as good as they could be.

And this is what makes trading a very complex issue since you need to keep adjusting your strategy over and over again depending on the market conditions in which you find yourself to be in.
33  Economy / Economics / Re: What will happen to Bitcoin if there is a global economic crash? on: January 14, 2020, 02:45:21 AM
Since Bitcoin isn't incorporated into world economy and financial system global economic crisis or crash wouldn't influence it directly. Also, Bitcoin market and fiats markets are functioning differently and there is no direct connection between them. However, people might turn to Bitcoin as an alternative and as a consequence that might drive the price go up but that is only possibility that doesn't need to happen.
While bitcoin cannot be influenced directly it can be influenced indirectly, after all when you think of the value of bitcoin you think of it in dollars, and if there is an economic crises that originates in the United States then most likely the dollar is going to be affected.

And at first sight it may seem as if it is good for bitcoin but the truth is that if that were to happen many people are going to begin to sell their coins to recover the losses that they have in the stock market and that could reduce the price of bitcoin.
34  Economy / Economics / Re: Big risk ,big results. on: January 12, 2020, 04:14:28 AM
More amount — more profit or loss. A large amount should be managed by an experienced trader who has a successful trading history and firmly adheres to the trading plan. Otherwise, it's a big risk to trust huge amounts of money to beginners.
Yes, only experienced traders can gain money from investing large amount but those who are new and who have no experience or knowledge they should trader with small amount for long term because for people with no knowledge about trading is like small amount big risk and big amount the biggest risk so try to remove that risk with your knowledge.

That's why you don't need to be very aggressive in trading as that is very risky, as much as possible, let's just chill a bit when we are just new, no need to be in a hurry, no need to wait for a big loss before we will educate ourselves, let's learned from the mistakes of other people, no need to invest in big then crying afterwards.
That is the right attitude but very few people have it, most people trade the markets as if every single trade is going to be the most important of their careers as traders but the market does not really work like that.

Most of the time you're going to make a trade and not much is going to happen, you're going to lose some, you are going to earn some, but you need to be able to maintain most of your capital during those trades because most of your gains will come from a few trades but you need to be in the market to take advantage of them and that is what those people do not get. You cannot force the market to move exactly when you want you are the one that needs to adapt and wait for the big trade.
35  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: xrp to 28$ on: January 12, 2020, 03:51:25 AM
I am pessimistic if the price of XRP can reach $28, because it requires 8x from ATH which
has happened in 2017 ago and that I think is unlikely to happen in the near future. I think the most logical is to reach $ 10 next year.
Sometimes I wonder if people actually understand the magnitude of the growth that they are predicting, ripple is barely above 20 cents and you are predicting that during the next year it is going to reach 10 dollars, that is a growth of 50 times its current value.

Why do you think that ripple is going to be 50 times more valuable during the next year? What kind of adoption do you think that is going to go through? What kind of development are you expecting out of that coin? If anything people should feel really lucky if ripple reaches a price of half a dollar during the next year.
36  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: What is for you scam project and what is for you good project? on: January 12, 2020, 03:30:52 AM
Currently there are saying that; good projects have gone into extinction but the beautiful thing is that; there are good proportion of projects out there. A project without public team members is technically a scam project, so, avoid such. A project with a workable product will likely make a good project for its investors.
I disagree, there are very few good projects out there and it is not really difficult to understand why, Satoshi created the blockchain in order to solve a very specific problem and so far the best application of the blockchain is for the creation of a currency.

Since then many developers have tried to apply the blockchain to many other industries and I don't really feel like any of those projects have had any kind of success because they're trying to use a tool that is not really that good for what they want to do with it.
37  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: ETH Value??? on: January 12, 2020, 02:54:20 AM
I think the price of ETH go low because of lots of people/ICO project stop using ETH. During the downtrend, lots of people dont even want to touch their account so there less demand on ETH chain. For others project that using ETH, Binance chain start to grow fast and lots of project start to leave ETH chain to move to Binance chain, this may help those project to get listed on Binance DEX. For those reason, i think ETH price is in the right value for it, not too much undervalue.
From time to time I see posts in the forum about people that are confused about the very low price of ethereum but it is not as surprising as it may seem at first sight, the price of ethereum is going down because there is no demand for it.

Right now people want to hold bitcoin because they believe it is going to go up during the next years and not only they are investing fiat to buy it they are also exchanging their altcoins to get bitcoin and this is affecting the price of ethereum and if that was not enough people are not really interested in icos anymore which was one of the greatest sources for the demand for ethereum.
38  Economy / Speculation / Re: When is the perfect time to sell BTC? on: January 12, 2020, 02:32:13 AM
I am holding BTC from long time ago. And this time BTC going up can I sell now with this price? Or I can wait for more days?
To be honest, it depends to you on what would be the right time to sell your bitcoins because there are some people who sell their bitcoins if we are facing a bear market to avoid huge losses and some who sell their bitcoin if we are facing a bull market to earn good profit. But for me the right time to sell your bitcoins if it started to move up to it's all time high, then i will buy bitcoin again if it's price started to go down again.
Knowing when to sell your coins is probably one of the most important skills that any trader needs to have, and it is one that is incredibly difficult to acquire.

Most people concentrate themselves on the moment they enter the market but there are some traders that have made experiments and one interesting thing that they found out is that it doesn't really matter that much when you enter any market but when you get out and that is a personal decision that every single trader needs to take because the circumstances of everyone are different.
39  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Are the scam projects killing entire crypto space? on: January 11, 2020, 03:39:08 AM
Not everyone has left the market but the majority of those that came to this market at the end of 2017 thinking they were going to get rich quickly and that did not cared about this market have without a doubt left the market already and most likely they are never going to comeback.

But there are still many people like us that are still invested in bitcoin and that are never going to leave the market but in order to protect our funds we have left the market of icos forever.

Perhaps the bearish phase during 2018-19 helped the market to get rid of non-serious investors and those who wanted to become a millionaire in two days. Even here in Bitcointalk, I am seeing fewer spammy posts (a part of the credit should be given to the merit system though). Those who were serious about cryptocurrency invested their money in genuine coins such as Bitcoin and Ethereum. Those who were not serious, invested in the numerous shitcoins and lost all of their money when the market went down.
That is what all markets do, many people came to this market thinking about becoming rich really quickly because they saw all the profits that people that were invested in this market were having and they wanted the same for themselves.

But they did not really cared about bitcoin or the market of cryptocurrencies in general, they only wanted to get money and that is not really a healthy attitude when it comes to this market because as we know those that have gotten the most profits are those that really believe that bitcoin and the blockchain will change the world.
40  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Are ICOs really DEAD or simply cleared a path for better projects? on: January 11, 2020, 03:17:22 AM
Perhaps we can say the ICOs is dead, but we won't know if the ICOs will be able to rise again in the future. But indeed, the ICOs has suffered to meet the investor right now, and perhaps they are still trying to survive at the moment. But perhaps the situation will be better in the future for the ICOs, so the ICOs will be able to return in the future and give the investor the profit.
I don't think the ICO will come back again. This direction has almost outlived its usefulness. I believe that the ICO will change, or it will be replaced by another way of raising funds.
Icos have been replaced already by ieos, and while ieos had a certain period in which they were very popular we are experimenting once again with ieos what happened with icos.

People are losing confidence in ieos because they are not performing as expected, and while this may surprise some investors it doesn't really surprise me because the only thing that has changed is the way the developers received the money from investors but the projects behind that process have not changed at all.
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