I have to admit jumping back to this thread after spending so much time in the discord is very interesting, since most of these topics have been covered many times there as well as more granular insight into all the projects going on.
As to legitimacy of my self/company, I’ve done about all I think I can do there at this point. Regarding the Acorn, the legitimacy of that specific project is set to come soon, but I will remind you we aren’t taking anyone’s money right now either.
If I wanted to scam people I probably would be more anxious to start taking money instead of missing a few of my ambitious deadlines while striving to make sure everything was done the right way.
Production planning has been a major endevour. Interest is higher than we initially thought, and securing all those individual components up front so we can be confident on timelines is a tremendous effort. Little things happen - a oscillator chip you were promised in volume for July delivery gets updated as backordered till October and you have to find an Alt, etc. We have solved most of those problems now.
Website going up next week, pre-orders a few days after to avoid the “no time to read” problem. Our goal is to meet demand within Q3.
I don’t think I’ve dodged any questions, but people sure do like to make up their own answers. That’s why I’ve been careful to not release a bunch of partial information that gets misconstrued. Let me hit the big ones though.
1. Lift is algorithm specific (some coins have a 512bit state and some have a 256bit state). Each Acorn can provide a MAX of around 30MH of lift to algorithms with a 512bit state, and 60MH for algorithms with a 256 bit state. That is irrespective of the number of GPUs. Power consumption of Acorn at peak is 15W. The limit is PCIe bandwidth, which for this generation of Acorn is PCIe 2.0 x4 = 20Gbps nominal, which yields an effective rate of 16Gbps after accounting for overhead. That math will then get you to the 33MH @ 512bit state, less 10% for safety and underpromising.
2. The number of GPUs to Acorn is extremely GPU and algorithm dependent. X16R is good with 1:1, or even 1:2 on high end cards if your GPU is in x8. ETH is typically more GPUs per Acorn.
3. The important thing is your PCIe bandwidth has to add up. You can’t use an Acorn in an M.2 slot @ 20Gbps to effectively accelerate one GPU in a PCIe 1.0 riser at x1 (2.5Gbps).
Thanks for the clear answers. I, for one, have no doubt about your project or you or Tom. That said, I think a short video on YouTube would really be welcomed and save both you and Tom a lot of time in the long run. Discord is a massive time suck. Yes, I have hung out there for some weeks and have seen your answers repeated over and over. But not everyone can access Discord at work and it is a gigantic time suck. You guys have pulled this together out of nowhere. You are the two most interesting people pushing this project and I would like to see you and Tom talk about it on YouTube without the distractions of "live streaming" or what have you. Thank you. |
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It looks familiar to dwarf also: Name: GPUHoarder Posts: 206 Activity: 84 Merit: 23 Position: Member Date Registered: March 01, 2018, 05:55:00 PM Last Active: June 30, 2018, 05:16:23 PM No it doesn't. As someone else said: real face, real YouTube interview with his face, real office address, real project. Dwarfminer sucked but there were warning signs. |
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Thanks everybody!! Very helpful. It's hard because I want to put my coins to use but I am trying to be patient and make the right decisions going forward. I have looked at the new ASIC stuff and especially the Z9 Antminer Equihash but I forgot to mention that I have a Masternode of WaltonChain coins and that can't be used. I feel like i'm in foreign waters but after reading there's a war going on between the GPU and ASIC Bitmain stuff. I read on reddit that WTC would be eventually rolling out their own ASIC miners in the future but after talking to some other WTC miners it seems it's still quite some time away before that happens. Needless to say this is all a bit over whelming but I am up for the task with a lot of help in the process. I appreciate you all that have replied and continue to help. Here is a similar rig I found online that is for WTC specifically. Seems as though GPU stuff investing is not worth it right now and prices are not good so this is all important to know going forward. Trading is easy compared to this. This is a long term investment to me so YES long term ROI is important. Digital Gold WTC Rig: https://www.digie.io/walton-train-6xThoughts? Uhm, it's even more expensive than your first potential purchase. PM me, I may be able to offer you some help for free. ASUS Prime Z370-A is very good board and has 7 PCIe slots out of the gate. Costs around $150. Intel i7-8700 under $300 and MicroCenter was offering a bundle discount if you purchased a motherboard and a CPU together. I like Ryzen's but I haven't found a good 7 / 8 PCIe motherboard for AMD4 yet. The Z370-A is a solid board. Best 1080 Ti's - EVGA and it just so happens they are having an attractive fourth of July sale: https://www.evga.com/products/featured-bundles.aspxThat rig you mention above -- it's not specifically for WTC, just not how this works. It says on that page that it has 6 1080 Ti's but it doesn't list the make or manufacturer. Spending moar money doesn't necessarily get you a better rig. |
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vaporware imo, in two months hes mined 20 to 30k of coins , and he can
switch to mine anything else without needed 4% fee bitstreams. by the time fpgas pick up steam
we will be on to Vega 20s and 11x cards
fpgas are pure smoke ans mirrors hype just like asics , they claim to change the game and help
boost your profitability but there’s always a catch , and buyers always get fucked
the question no one ever seems to ask is why the fuck are they selling these magic fpgas if they are so good
what ? becuase they care about decentralized mining? gtfo
No, I don't think it is going to turn out to be vaporware. As for why are they selling them if they are so great? Senseless addressed that question: He wanted to start his own private farm with 3,000 units but could not find the funding. No, I agree, this is not about decentralization. But that does not mean this FPGA thing is going to be smoke and mirrors. You can quote this: by Thanksgiving there will be actual YouTube videos of FPGA units wailing away at certain algorithms. And yes, I did order 2 BCU1525 units. If I can shrink my foot print, draw less power, and have some hope of reprogramming/repurposing, then I am all for it. |
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What do you mean by GPU sell off? What part of my rig specs would be affected by this or how would it be beneficial to wait and get something else in a few months?
Back in January and February of this year, it was easy to resell *used* 1080 Ti cards for $900 on eBay. Rate has dropped closer to $700. The reason is that so many ASIC miners have been released, they have destroyed the profitability of mining particular coins on a 1080 Ti. Bitmain's Z9 mini being the latest example. If you were using a 6 1080 Ti rig to mine Equihash at Nicehash in order to earn a few bucks a day, that opportunity is now lost because a Z9 will mine Zcash at the rate of 3 or 4 entire 1080 Ti rigs and use only 350 watts, whereas a single 1080 Ti is probably going to draw 150+ watts even with some tuning. $6,000 for a 1080 Ti mining rig is not a good investment of your cash at the moment. If you simply want to host a MasterNode, there are several cheap services that will do that for you: MyNodeRocks being one, Node-VPS being another, just search for sites that host MasterNodes. They charge $5 a month give or take for hosting your MasterNode. |
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You doom and gloom guys are hilarious. They wont recoup the investment? You must not math very well.
Try googling what happens to crypto mining profitability once too much hashing Power enters the network. Or you could just look at the S9, L3+, A3, D3. Or you could just keep typing ignorant comments that just prove that you know very little about the real world of mining. Your choice. This time will be different. |
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I ve been running the older versions very stable on both my rigs.
mining Haven and RYO, now my rigs are getting stuck after some hours.
someone had this problem and have a solution?
thnx
Have you changed clock/voltage settings lately? My mining window would freeze periodically, sometimes within a couple hours, sometimes a couple of days. I originally blamed Windows, but after some trial and error, discovered I’d reduced GPU voltage a little too much and after giving my cards more juice, rig has been running solid for over a week now. I agree -- check your Mem voltage to make sure it wasn't reset lower and you didn't notice. |
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I am quite sure that most that read these forums have no idea about clif high. As an avid reader of his works for about a decade, I will include some content from his most recent ALTA_2018_JulyCrypto.pdf so that the average reader can garner some context: data sets...are suggesting that a 'failure' within their 'governance model' will produce both 'discord' and (internal) contention' at levels that will 'threaten dissolution' of the 'effort.'
...at least one incident of 'manipulation' will be 'emerging (around) Cloak'...
Perhaps the management would like to address, specifically what, if any, failure of their governance model might occur. Could such, if any, be based upon manipulation? Cliff "High" and his spider bots that comb the Internet? Good grief. You have to be "high" to listen to his radio sessions. EDIT: From Cliff's July ALTA report -- "You admit to being mentally deficient if you invest real world assets based on this advice..." I couldn't have said it better. That Cliff, he is a shifty one with a wicked sense of humor! |
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I was hoping this was real and we'd have a lot of innovative fpga based products coming to market.
Are you thinking that product specifications of 7 kH / s 10 W are possible?  They hadn't yet posted specs when I merit'd them. It's not impossible, but the numbers are a little too good. Could have been a case of overly optimistic performance/power estimates. There is a scenario where this doesn't turn out to be a complete and utter scam. They had some type of board. The problem with the YouTube video was that it stopped/started every so many seconds, which led me to think that this board was not functioning as fast as claimed for any prolonged period of time. Maybe it ran for 90 seconds and then crashed, over and over, and they didn't have the know how to solve the problem. Maybe they followed the Vorrick funding method where you collect [other people's] money up front, figure out how to build your ASIC afterwards, and then deliver something... eventually. It's possible they took the money, they hired or will hire someone who knows what they are doing, they will eventually pay the PCB manufacturer, they will take delivery of the boards, test the hell out of all of them for, oh, three weeks or so and then deliver out of the blue when no one expects it. Blame the delay on the "Chinese LunarShot Monkey-Dog festival," or some such tripe. I give that outcome <10% probability, but maybe. |
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Yes, but let's dust off the MagikSmoke 8 ball and look at the next few months:
Z9 will destroy Equihash in short order. Probably will be a replay of the L3+. There goes your 1080 Ti cash cow.
Well that took all of three weeks... 350 watts for about 5 1080 Ti rigs. Ugh. |
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-snip- I'd say those are two weak arguments because they are purely speculation without evidence. On the other hand, i have two counter-arguments that are all for bitcoin rising in value again. 1. Bitcoin is ever-improving. Scalability is being addressed, mass adoption rates are growing, and people are becoming more aware of avoiding scams. 2. Cryptocurrencies add value to services. They cut out the middleman and offer a solution for the efficient transfer of value. Have you considered that maybe that is why "everyone" (your words) is expecting BTC to break records and get to new crazy highs?  No, those arguments are not just "speculation," at least not the first one about manipulation to get to the 20K level. Just Google the Tether/Bitfinex story and go the paper put out by the professor in Texas. Not his first paper about financial markets and manipulation, and qualified peers take his work seriously. I don't think Bitcoin hits 20K this year. I don't think it will hit "crazy new highs" this year either. And if I am right about that, it puts a damper on most every other alt-coin as well. John M. Griffin University of Texas at Austin - Department of Finance Amin Shams University of Texas at Austin - Department of Finance Date Written: June 13, 2018 Abstract This paper investigates whether Tether, a digital currency pegged to U.S. dollars, influences Bitcoin and other cryptocurrency prices during the recent boom. Using algorithms to analyze the blockchain data, we find that purchases with Tether are timed following market downturns and result in sizable increases in Bitcoin prices. Less than 1% of hours with such heavy Tether transactions are associated with 50% of the meteoric rise in Bitcoin and 64% of other top cryptocurrencies. The flow clusters below round prices, induces asymmetric auto-correlations in Bitcoin, and suggests incomplete Tether backing before month-ends. These patterns cannot be explained by investor demand proxies but are most consistent with the supply-based hypothesis where Tether is used to provide price support and manipulate cryptocurrency prices. Found a direct link to the article you mentioned: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3195066Didn't realize there were actually academic articles analyzing bitcoin trading. That being said, I don't know how to feel about this. It seems like a giant FUD attempt that doesn't take into consideration the potential of crypto currencies to really change the world. FUD? Really? And Griffin's work about VIX manipulation, is that FUD, too? It is a serious academic paper and it points pretty convincingly to market manipulation that others were commenting upon in real time back last November. I forget the guy who was Tweeting about how $200 million in Tether were appearing out of nowhere each and every day. I took note of his tweets but did not think it through to what it might mean for the market as a whole. Does the paper take into account the potential of crypto currencies? No, it does not. But that isn't the point of this academic paper either. The author did not set out to answer the question you pose. He just investigated whether Tethers were used to manipulate market prices. I don't like it either. It doesn't make me feel good. But I can't find any angle to dismiss it out of hand, and I've asked people who work in this academic field about it. So regardless of "feelings" I think it is non-speculative information that should be taken into account. Or not. Suit yourself. |
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<snip> I'd say those are two weak arguments because they are purely speculation without evidence. On the other hand, i have two counter-arguments that are all for bitcoin rising in value again. 1. Bitcoin is ever-improving. Scalability is being addressed, mass adoption rates are growing, and people are becoming more aware of avoiding scams. 2. Cryptocurrencies add value to services. They cut out the middleman and offer a solution for the efficient transfer of value. Have you considered that maybe that is why "everyone" (your words) is expecting BTC to break records and get to new crazy highs? No, those arguments are not just "speculation," at least not the first one about manipulation to get to the 20K level. Just Google the Tether/Bitfinex story and go the paper put out by the professor in Texas. Not his first paper about financial markets and manipulation, and qualified peers take his work seriously. I don't think Bitcoin hits 20K this year. I don't think it will hit "crazy new highs" this year either. And if I am right about that, it puts a damper on most every other alt-coin as well. John M. Griffin University of Texas at Austin - Department of Finance Amin Shams University of Texas at Austin - Department of Finance Date Written: June 13, 2018 Abstract This paper investigates whether Tether, a digital currency pegged to U.S. dollars, influences Bitcoin and other cryptocurrency prices during the recent boom. Using algorithms to analyze the blockchain data, we find that purchases with Tether are timed following market downturns and result in sizable increases in Bitcoin prices. Less than 1% of hours with such heavy Tether transactions are associated with 50% of the meteoric rise in Bitcoin and 64% of other top cryptocurrencies. The flow clusters below round prices, induces asymmetric auto-correlations in Bitcoin, and suggests incomplete Tether backing before month-ends. These patterns cannot be explained by investor demand proxies but are most consistent with the supply-based hypothesis where Tether is used to provide price support and manipulate cryptocurrency prices. |
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I don't feel so bad that I just today got around to trying out the ethlargement pill on two very different 1080s and all I can see is, "holy frijoles!" On a 2+ year old EVGA Founders Edition, Ethash went from a pathetic 21 MH/s to 30.5 MH/s and power consumption dropped about 40W. Next I tried it on a much newer Asus RoG Strix 1080 mining CryptoNight (not ideal, I know) and hashrate went from about 540 H/s to about 630 H/s.
However, trying to increase the memory clock rate by +100 caused the FE card to crash so hard I had to hit the reset button. So, be very, very careful with the overclocks while on the pill.
Well, if you don't mess with mem. clock rate too much, and instead bump up the TDP slightly to the 70+ range, on 1080 Ti's pretty easy to get over 50 MH/s on Eth with minimal fuss. Haven't had any bad crashes using it yet, but I stopped adjusting settings once I got to 53-55 MH/s on Eth. And yes, I actually donated -- sounds like very few did. |
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In theory the panels will last 20 years.
I may need 1 extra inverter I may need I extra s9i.
It is a risk as to durability of gear. The s9i and the invertor may need replacement.
To me FPGA's = loser in the long run. Short term they can be good.
I know a lot about chasing mining gear since I have mined nonstop since 2012.
You can not make constant profit with mining gear unless you have a power angle = fact. In fact it is the basis of Pow coins turn power into coins.
What I like about solar is that it is durable. It is not so difficult to set up and maintain. True, it is expensive -- however, if used in conjunction with your residence you can take advantage of federal and state tax credits (I was amazed that these got renewed, but I think that is a good thing) -- about 30% off your purchase price. And it gets you focused on saving power all around your house (LED lights, for example). If you find solar interesting but have not yet dipped your toe in the water, go to YouTube and look up Missouri Wind and Solar. Very basic stuff, but explained in a straightforward manner with an eye towards saving money on cooling, heating, and electric bills. I hadn't looked at these videos in a few years and I went on last night and was pleasantly surprised to see a lot more solar videos with useful information from a number of people. If mining all goes to sh*t, you'll still be able to get your money's worth from your solar panels. Anyone that owns a home and plans on staying put for a while really should look into it. It does not have to be a $50,000 or nothing proposition. If mining has generally got you bummed out, look into solar -- it will put a smile back on your face once you get it set up. |
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@phil
Who does the panel cleaning maintenance ? its an often overlooked part of having solar.
the array that buysolar owns and I mine on with him is mostly on the ground 400 of the 500 panels are ground based. and the array is grid tied. So the grid transformer takes in x and the array does 1.5x so a grimy panel does not mean much. We can also wipe down 400 of the 500 with ease. Now this project uses 7 or 8 panels with a ground mount so if you have the gear in a spot that gets grimy it is easy to wipe down to clean. The idea behind this it to make a 1000-1500watt power source for a miner off grid that will run 5 full hours a day. POP (pay one price) up front for decades of power. right now companies are giving away gear or close to it. s9i's are under 700 with shipping and $100 dollar coupon. I have 12 L3+ and 2 s9I coming We want to set up an L3+ test doghouse and a s9i test doghouse and see how it goes. We are in a power price is king stage of the game. If you had cheap power you would not give a shit that a piece of gear does not earn a lot. Power is cheap enough that it profits. In december 2017 we were in a gear is hard to get part of the game power cost did not mean much of anything. and l3+ was 5% on power cost and 95% in your pocket if you had 8 cent power it now earns 2.20 a day and costs 1.34 to run at 8 cent that is 60% for power and 40% in your pocket but if you have 8 cent power it makes 86 cents a day if you have 4 cent power it makes 2.20 - .67 = 1.53 a day but all the 20 cent miners power is 3.36 so it loses a buck a day all the 15 cent miners power is 2.52 so it loses 32 cents a day all the 13 cent miners power is 2.18 so it turns a 2 cent profit. 100% on point, I'm currently at 8 cents too. I asked about the cleaning because where I live (desert), module soiling takes off close to 10% off the output. I'm considering financing a grid tied 100KW solar farm as the local electricity company has a program to buy the excess power. The problem is that they pay you for the extra power in kilowatt credits, not cash. You might wanna check if your local electricity utility has a buy program. Well you also have to factor in the cost of the solar setup. It's "free power" after you get the panels, connectors, and mounts. Ground mounted panels are pretty easy to clean, especially after it rains and while they are still wet. The good news is that solar has a long useful lifespan. Worldwide, a number of utilities decided to screw over early solar adopters. At first the tariff rates to sell back to the utility were way too damn high (Spain), and the eventual response was equally vicious (Spanish solar tax). I bet there are a good number of people where if they originally installed some excess amount of solar beyond what they typically use, they would be better off running a miner or two than reselling that power (or stockpiling discounted credits) with the local Power Company. And please Mr. Elon Musk (or someone else) how about some breakthroughs with battery storage? Stop doing the Ambien two-step and focus! If anyone is just getting interested in solar, I found "missouri wind and solar" videos on YouTube pretty helpful and interesting some years back. Very low key, no crazy thumping music or flashing graphics that induce seizures. |
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My hair cutting promise still counts.
They say: we can't show our product because people will copy it.
Thats nearly impossible because you need the exact same electronics and code for the chip.
They say: we would like to set it on ebay/aliexpress but blabla bla can't.
It's another bullshit because everyone can do it on ebay and if your product is legitimate you can set it on Ali.
And the matter of fact that their locations is everywhere in the world:
China, US, Spain, Iceland (banking) and so on.
Sample's to verified users? No we don't do that because we don't.
People who sent their money are dumb and lost all of it.
So many pesky questions. So much doubt. All I want to know is: will it mine Dobbscoin? Edit: as like this http://www.dobbscoin.info/ |
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Read through this thread and i think it's great what you guys are trying to achieve, however you have to realize some/most of us will remain skeptical until we at least see these units in action, with actual real world numbers posted for everyone to see, hopefully those results/proof will come sooner than later.
The exact same FPGA cards are available in AWS, so it would be trivial to verify it all for one's self, but the end-to-end software stack to do so has not yet been made available. And expecting people to buy rather expensive hardware without making available the software stack required for public peer review is... bold. This is what i meant, the hardware is there and capable but at what numbers/hashrates, for that we need the software, hopefully it will soon be out for everyone to see cause as it stands, without the software to mine, these will just be expensive paperweights until the software is released, i do know there's other uses for the specific fpga in this thread but the paperweight comment is for this specific use, as in mining. Okay. So remain skeptical and wait for everyone to report back. Is that so hard to do? |
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I think it's due to the federal investigation(s) into price manipulation that is being discussed right now. Personally I welcome some regulation and oversight if it helps to keep the crooks a little more honest. :p
I agree (welcoming the investigation into outright manipulation by a small -ish group). Not sure if you caught the screenshots that may have started all this, but they were pretty blatant. |
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[...] Basically it has been tried already in the days when Bitcoin could still be mined by the GPU cards. Some guy did that in Germany or in Finland. It was linked on this forum, but either I can't find it or it is gone. He couldn't keep his setup working even a single full year.
The main technical point is that protection from the elements in a non-trivial undertaking. It is not only about keeping it cool, it is also about keeping it warm and dry when not operating or operating with constrained power.
The moisture condensation and icing will void any warranty for the electronics, unless you buy marine-rated equipment.
Additionally, the warranty on panels in the USA will probably be unenforceable. I've been told that those companies reselling and installing the solar equipment are intentionally created to go bankrupt, they may as well offer 100 years of warranty. That is apparently some political stuff more difficult to explain, which I don't fully understand. I didn't see the actual panels discussed in this thread, but I've seen some other sold and installed in the USA and they weren't designed to last.
I'm sorry for raining on your parade.
You may be right about shell LLC's designed to block all warranty claims, but it is possible to shield electronics from wind, wet, and snow. I'm not saying it is street legal, but I have used your typical eBay inverters (sellers like: ChargerAngel) to backfeed power into my residence. The inverters are housed in marine battery boxes, with the top vents sealed with silicone. It's cheap, and the inverters have made it through snow, rain, Nor' Easters, and hurricane Sandy. Solar is pretty damn set it up right and forget it. Completely different than setting up miners. If you can find a good spot to lean solar panels up against your dwelling, you can do this. You don't need to roof mount, you don't need fancy frames. Use the space underneath the panels to house inverters and whatever other electronics you are working with. Keep everything off the ground by a foot or two or three. I haven't put a miner outside, but so long as it is elevated off the ground, and there is a decent plastic housing that is waterproof, I see no reason why this can't be done. Also: spray silicone can help so long as you let it dry completely. As in apply it, go away for a week or more before applying power to what you sprayed. Yes, I have done this. All my Vega cards were stripped down, sprayed with silicone, Raijen Morpheus heat fins & 120mm fans applied afterwards. Very quiet, cooler than the reference blower, and running just fine. Try the silicone spraying on something very cheap. Let it dry thoroughly. Test it. |
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I'm looking at converting a few rigs from USB/nvOC to SSD/Windows.
What's the cheapest way of achieving this? $40 120GB SSD? will it run on 60-64GB SSD?
Do I need a particular version of Windows to get 7-8 GPU (nvidia) working? or just Windows 10 patched up to date?
Get 120GB or even 256GB. Windows 10 will mostly make your life easier but when you have everything set up, turn off the updates. Somewhere in this thread, within the past month or so, there were some links to som e good utilities to help stop with the Windows updates. Windows 10 Fall Creators Update worked well across a number of rigs, Nvidia/AMD cards, I think that is 1703 but would have to check. With Windows, a 60GB SSD probably isn't going to cut it for very long. |
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