You probably know the damnation of those who have visa cards - liqpay, the payment processor for btc-e and many other payment systems they accept, do not accept visa cards outside of CIS countries (russia and stuff).  only some mastercards work.

So despite i have good standing with many payment processors and websites for a decade or more, i cant put a dime into btc-e as i want to.

Therefore i am seeking ways to buy BTC outside those means.

So, if anyone wants to sell btcs or btc-e credits with credit card, please contact me.

"Can we trust you"

well i can show references from some places. im going to move sizeable money, so i'd rather establish an ongoing relationship with a reliable supplier. im wont be using paypal because i heard paypal is disabling people's accounts for buying ecoins - so i dont want to discomfort anyone.

They will show the bitcoin as collateral (asset), and lend money up to 10x value of that bitcoin. (horribly insane fractional reserve lending allowance in us law).

or, they can create an 'asset' (hedge fund) by indexing it on bitcoin, then start trading and inflating the hedge fund's value, and then show both bitcoin and the hedge fund as assets (duplicate !!!!) and then lend 10x value of those totals as money.

by the way, that last bit was how the financial scam was pulled in wall street - that lead up to the 2008 crash.

thank you. i will stop worrying about zulucoins and will look into slaying 10/10 zangaboon soon.

in the meantime, anyone with my request ?

I need a small amount of bitcoin and litecoin to play and test with. (im also mining with 2 x 7970 cards). However i need to pay with paypal, since i am new to this and i dont have accounts in these many alternative payment services ( okpay this that etc) the exchange sites require. All i have is paypal and 2checkout since 2003, which i have been using for business and personal uses without any issues - so i didnt need to get any other payment account.

i need something like 0.25 bitcoin, and 10 litecoin.

if someone can fix me with these, ill be much obliged.