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201  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Demystifying Hashgraph: Benefits and Challenges on: November 10, 2017, 03:26:40 AM
Definitely interesting project. Looks like new competitor for blockchain. But still very young comparing to blockchain.  

Hi Serian. Zilliqa is not a competitor for blockchain. It is meant to be build on top of the blockchain so it can help blockchain to do x1000 more transactions in a second. It will benefit bitcoins and ethereum etc.
202  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Demystifying Hashgraph: Benefits and Challenges on: November 10, 2017, 03:02:06 AM
The following content is taken from Yaoqi Jia, dev team for Zilliqa. He shared a very informative content on Hashgraph and I would like to share with you all. It is taken from https://medium.com/@jiayaoqijia/demystifying-hashgraph-benefits-and-challenges-d605e5c0cee5.

'Hashgraph is a new consensus protocol that has garnered attention lately by being projected as a technology that will make blockchains obsolete. According to Hashgraph’s website, it is claimed that Hashgraph has the following properties:
Fast: 250,000+ Transactions Per Second
Fair: Mathematically-Proven Fairness (via Consensus Time Stamping)
Secure: Bank-Grade Security (Asynchronous Byzantine Fault Tolerant)

A cursory read of these three properties suggests that Hashgraph may indeed be a game changer — — with 250,000+ transactions/second, it could solve the scalability issue facing most blockchains today.
In this article, we take a look at Hashgraph from our point of view, present its pros and cons, and address the following million-dollar question:
“Did blockchain just become obsolete?”

Note: All references in this article are based on Hashgraph’s whitepaper and website.
What is Hashgraph?
Hashgraph is a new consensus alternative to the blockchain. It uses a gossip protocol that works in the following manner: Every node in Hashgraph can spread signed information (called events) on newly-created transactions and transactions received from others, to its randomly chosen neighbors. These neighbors will aggregate received events with information received from other nodes into a new event, and then send it on to other randomly chosen neighbors. This process continues until all the nodes are aware of the information created or received at the beginning. Due to the rapid convergence property of the gossip protocol, every piece of new information can reach each node in the network in a fast manner.
The history of the gossip protocol can be illustrated by a directed graph, i.e., each node maintains a graph representing sequences of forwarders/witnesses for each transaction. In the ideal case, all the nodes have the same view of all transactions and their witnesses. Further, by performing virtual voting, each node can determine if a transaction is valid based on whether it has over two-thirds of nodes in the network as witnesses. Note that Hashgraph runs in the Byzantine setting, where the assumption is that less than a third of nodes are Byzantine (nodes that can behave badly by forging, delaying, replaying and dropping incoming/outgoing messages).

Pros and Cons
Let’s analyze the three claims put forward by Hashgraph.
1) Fast. Hashgraph is fast, as it uses the gossip protocol to spread messages to the network and also performs some optimization of the gossiped messages to reduce the communication overhead. The gossip-about-gossip also yields a consensus protocol. However, there is another reason why Hashgraph is fast: it currently works in a permissioned setting.
“At this time, Hashgraph is only deployed in private, permissioned-based networks” — — Hashgraph Team on Telegram.
Below, we discuss the difference between permissioned and non-permissioned networks. The difference is crucial as it has a direct impact on the throughput of the consensus solution.
In a non-permissioned setting (aka public blockchain) like in Bitcoin/Ethereum, the nodes participating in the consensus protocol are not known beforehand and untrusted since any node is allowed to join or leave the network at will. Moreover, the consensus mechanisms for such a setup have to account for maliciousness, particularly Sybil attacks where a single user generates multiple entities to influence the consensus process and for instance, mounts double spend attacks. Solving these issues in a non-permissioned setting affects the overall throughput.
On the other hand, in private (permissioned) distributed ledgers, identities of all nodes are known beforehand and the network is not open to an arbitrary participant. The prior knowledge of the identities of the participating nodes provides a natural protection against Sybil attacks and makes it easier to reach consensus. This means that no Sybil resistance mechanism needs to be put in place and hence the throughput can be increased dramatically (when compared to public blockchains).
As Hashgraph is currently a private distributed ledger, its throughput should be compared with the likes of other private blockchains, e.g., IBM HyperLedger Fabric (700 transactions per second) or Red Belly (400,000 transactions per second). Its throughput should not be compared with public blockchains like Bitcoin or Ethereum (10 transactions per second) as it is equivalent to comparing apples with oranges. Currently, Hashgraph has yet to release concrete technical details for its deployment as a public ledger.
2) Fair. Hashgraph also provides fairness via consensus time stamping. This means that if one transaction reaches two-thirds of the network ahead of other transactions, it is considered to be the first. It is a relatively fair system, as two-thirds of the network are witnesses and it is difficult for a majority of them to make unfair decisions. However, Hashgraph is based on the gossip protocol and this means that when a node chooses its successors uniformly at random, there is some probability (e.g., one-third, if the node’s neighbors are chosen globally and uniformly at random) that all the chosen nodes may be Byzantine or malicious. These malicious successors can stop passing the transaction to the next group of nodes, thereby preventing the transaction from reaching two-thirds of the network which would result in an unfair outcome for the honest creator. In addition, trying to ensure that every honest node is connected to some honest nodes, and that every message can be transmitted to other honest nodes without being stopped by intermediate Byzantine nodes, is an open problem in itself. While this is currently not an issue given the private nature of Hashgraph, this will be a hurdle to overcome when releasing a public distributed ledger.
3) Secure. Hashgraph is an asynchronous BFT, but it is not deterministic. In Fischer et al. (1985) it was shown that in asynchronous systems, deterministic consensus protocols are impossible even in the simple case of only one faulty node. A consensus protocol can be either non-deterministic asynchronous or deterministic non-completely asynchronous in the Byzantine setting.
For deterministic protocols, all honest nodes reach consensus by round r for some a priori known constant r. For non-deterministic or probabilistic protocols, the probability that an honest node is undecided after r rounds approaches zero as r approaches infinity. For synchronous protocols, roughly speaking, messages are guaranteed to be delivered after a certain bound ∆, but the asynchronous protocols don’t have such a bound.



Hashgraph is a non-deterministic asynchronous protocol by adding randomness. The compromise is that the consensus protocol will terminate eventually but there is uncertainty as to when termination will occur. In its current design, Hashgraph employs coin toss (i.e., middle bit of a signature) for nodes to make decisions when there is no progress in the consensus protocol. Therefore, there is non-zero probability of all honest nodes having the same value after numerous rounds of coin toss. Eventually all the honest nodes will become unanimous. However, if all the Byzantine nodes try to disrupt the protocol by manipulating the gossip protocol as detailed in point 2 above, the effectiveness and efficiency of this coin toss approach becomes questionable, as it may take numerous rounds to reach consensus.

And the million-dollar question, does Hashgraph make Blockchains obsolete?

Hashgraph is an interesting consensus protocol that has been shown to yield high throughput in a private and static setting. Hashgraph is fast, fair, and secure within the permissioned setting it currently operates in. However, if and when used in a public setting, Hashgraph will face the same issues that other public blockchains are facing today and may not be able to maintain its security and performance.
In fact, scalability is still an open problem for public blockchains. It is interesting to see new solutions being proposed by the community. For instance, Ethereum uses PoS for their Casper protocol, NEO employs dBFT, EOS has a dPoS-based solution, and Zilliqa implements sharding. All these solutions have their own benefits and weaknesses as there is no silver bullet to solve the scalability problem and there has never been one for many scientific problems.
Another important question is what does a scalable solution actually mean? Does this mean that the solution is scalable in the number of users or in the number of transactions, or in the size of the network? If a P2P network is capable of processing thousands of transactions, can we call the solution scalable? If so, what happens when the network doubles its size — — can the throughput be maintained? In fact, a solution that is scalable in a single dimension may not be well-suited for a use case that requires scaling in a different dimension. Hashgraph currently scales only in the number of transactions processed but does not scale with the number of nodes in the network. Zilliqa for instance scales with the number of nodes in the network.
So, let us all appreciate the underlying technology in Hashgraph but not with closed or blinded eyes. And while we appreciate Hashgraph, we should also appreciate blockchains which have paved way to the likes of Hashgraph in just the same way, they have paved the way for Ethereum, EoS, NEO, Zilliqa and many others.
Thank En Hui and Amrit for their feedback and help.'

For those who are interested in Zilliqa, there is a bounty campaign right now so go and have a look.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2367256.msg24134313#msg24134313
203  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Bounties (Altcoins) / Re: [BOUNTY][ICO] Zilliqa : High-throughput Blockchain Platform on: November 10, 2017, 02:56:44 AM
A quick update: Thanks to the community as there has been a growing interests in Zilliqa with telegram passing 700 members and it is still growing fast.

Some members are highlighting about Hashgraph and they wish to know more about it and how it will affect the scaling industry. So Yaoqi Jia had written an medium about Hashgraph.

Demystifying Hashgraph: Benefits and Challenges
https://medium.com/@jiayaoqijia/demystifying-hashgraph-benefits-and-challenges-d605e5c0cee5
204  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Bounties (Altcoins) / Re: [BOUNTY][ICO] Zilliqa : High-throughput Blockchain Platform on: November 08, 2017, 03:13:16 PM
Hello, must I make my own tweets? or I can make only retweets and simply get less points.

No. You can either create your own tweets or just retweet. Retweeting gives you less points.

>= 5 Zilliqa tweets: 5 points
>= 10 Zilliqa tweets: 10 points
New creative tweets including the hashtag #ZILLIQA:
>= 5 tweets: 10 points
>= 10 tweets: 20 points

Thanks Jiayaoqi for helping to answer the question.


Just applied to become your translator.
Don't forget dm me via this 4rum or email to avoid missing out

Thanks for applying for the translator. It is glad to see that the community is helping out for Zilliqa.
Feel free to join our  telegram: zilliqachat and do contact the admins on Telegram @zilliqachat for any updates.


Good day!
i'm joined to Social Networks bounty.
do i need to reporting of my work weekly?

Hi Pollacco, it is always so heart warming to receive such a great greeting by the community. I hope you have a great day too.

You can do weekly reporting of your work or you can accumulate your work and submit at a later week.

One gentle reminder of how the bounty is allocated so you can make full use of it.
''1/4 of the allocated bounty amount will either expire or be given to participants at the end of each week (according to GMT+8). For example, if we have 0 participants in the first week, 1 in the second and 5 in the third and 10 in the fourth, no bounty will be given at the end of first week and the total bounty will reduce to 15,000. The only participant at the end of second week will get the entire weekly quota of 5,000. For the third week, assuming each of the 5 participants accumulates the same number of points, then each will be given 5,000/5 USD (equiv ZILs).''
205  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO] 💎Gifto - Universal Gifting Platform for Global Content Creators 💎 on: November 04, 2017, 04:35:37 PM
I'm interesting in this project and i want to be a part of it. From which point i can start? I hope to answer me soon... Thanks!

We would be happy if you can join our telegram to get the latest information. They are coming out with a referral program right now. There isn't any confirmation yet.

This project keeps getting better and better. This is a huge marketing/signal boost.

Thanks for the praise. I am sure the dev team will be so glad to hear that. Feel free to join our telegram group. Awesome community over there as well.

What is the date of ICO?

It will happen in Dec. More details will be out in the future.
206  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO] 💎Gifto - Universal Gifting Platform for Global Content Creators 💎 on: November 04, 2017, 12:45:07 PM
Hello BlockFloksHQ is that uplive apps on google playstore was your own apps too?

Hi Wakhid, the uplive apps belongs to the Asia Innovations Group (“AIG​”). It is available in google playstore and apple itune. Feel free to try it out. The idea of Gifto is to incorporate the gifting function in the uplive app.

okay i understand that now. And pardon me, but i just wondering are this project already "incorporate" or will do "incorporate" after this project started?

I am not too sure if i get your question correctly. Right now the uplive already have gifting function but it is centralised. So the objective is to design a decentralise platform and move the gifting function in uplive to the decentralise platform.


2nd: The Gifto team is developing a protocol for gifting platform, so this protocol is not just limited to Uplive. In fact, any other company which wish to tap on this service can apply the protocol on top of their app. So the token usage is not just tied to Uplive and can expand to many other companies. The team hope that it can even influences other countries to have this gifting culture.

So from what i can understand from you statement that this project i mean The Gifto will not limited for uplive apps only but can used by others example "bigoLive" . CMIIW

Yes, Gifto will be a protocol and it is open to everyone who want to build into their system.
207  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO] 💎Gifto - Universal Gifting Platform for Global Content Creators 💎 on: November 04, 2017, 09:15:22 AM
I've already seen some similar ICO, why are you different?

You are right. There are many similar ICO. In fact, this system of gifting platform has been existing for a long time without the use of blockchain/ICO.

However, let me just share 2 information with you about Uplive.

1st: after its launch in June 2016, Uplive quickly became the highest monthly revenue international live streaming platform. As of August 2017, Uplive is receiving over USD 10 Million per month of gross revenue from millions of users across 50+ countries, and at the same time, generating millions of income for the 60,000+ broadcasters spread across these countries. In essence, Uplive is now one of the largest user-generated content platforms that is powered directly through user contributions, and not advertising.
On page 16 of the whitepaper, there is a breakdown on the sales of the different gifts.
So the company already have a well-development and working product with strong customers/viewers base. You can feel free to download the uplive app in playstore and itune.

2nd: The Gifto team is developing a protocol for gifting platform, so this protocol is not just limited to Uplive. In fact, any other company which wish to tap on this service can apply the protocol on top of their app. So the token usage is not just tied to Uplive and can expand to many other companies. The team hope that it can even influences other countries to have this gifting culture.

Let's spread the love.

Do you have the bounty program?

At this point of stage, there is no airdrop or bounty program planned. However, the team is planning to have a referral program. Do join the telegram group for the latest update.
208  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO] 💎Gifto - Universal Gifting Platform for Global Content Creators 💎 on: November 04, 2017, 07:38:20 AM
Hello BlockFloksHQ is that uplive apps on google playstore was your own apps too?

Hi Wakhid, the uplive apps belongs to the Asia Innovations Group (“AIG​”). It is available in google playstore and apple itune. Feel free to try it out. The idea of Gifto is to incorporate the gifting function in the uplive app.

Universal gifting platform with live streaming is a great project, especially in asia platform like this is very popular,whether this platform will be available in the mobile app like google playstore and IOS?

The live streaming platform is already available on google playstore and apple itune. It already have 20 million global users.
The links for itune and google playstore are taken from their website www.live.up. I have attached it below.
Itune: https://itunes.apple.com/app/id1102727568
Google Playstore: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.asiainno.uplive

Hope that helps.
209  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO] 💎Gifto - Universal Gifting Platform for Global Content Creators 💎 on: November 04, 2017, 04:39:20 AM
this is interesting token based on live video streaming brilliant idea dev..
it can make more easy to refill the account. Also it can bring more people to crypto

Feel free to try out the live video streaming. The website is www.up.live/

This is one interesting coins, with it we could collect revenue just by giving or making some gift, maybe some unique gift that can e trade to anyone.

You are totally correct. People can design their own gift and content provider can receive gifts from viewers. It fits well with the current uplive platform.

IS there any Airdrop or Bounty Program of this Project?

At this point of stage, there is no airdrop or bounty program planned. However, the team is planning to have a referral program. Do join the telegram group for the latest update.
210  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin is an asset or currency. on: October 29, 2017, 03:14:08 AM
After attending the Charlie Lee, cofounder of litecoin, in Singapore. He mentioned about bitcoin is treated as a store of values. Even though we have so many alt coins now with functions like smart contracts, bitcoin is still consider one of the best coin to have because of the global recognition and it able to tank the price well.
211  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What if, we advertise bitcoin on T.V.? on: October 29, 2017, 03:12:02 AM
We have seen some of the effects if bitcoin is somehow advertise on TV. One of the old example is in China, when the charity program seeks for donation, they even broadcast that they accepted donation in bitcoin, within a few days, the price of bitcoin shot up from $100 to $1000+. Recently, the ransomeware also hit a lot of countries and everyone start to be more aware of bitcoin.
212  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Am I late to the party? on: October 28, 2017, 06:23:03 AM
We are not late to the party. It is just that we are not early too. Right now, i see bitcoin as still in its young stage. There is so many people that have yet to touch bitcoins, less likely to even know about other coins/tokens. That is why many other coins are going to boom from years to come together with bitcoin. Are you able to catch that particular train?
213  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Advice from a newbie on: October 28, 2017, 06:20:25 AM
I'm about 60 days into the cryptocurrency world, don't even want to guess how many hours I've spent reading this forum, reddit, medium, twitter.....so a little levity and one piece of advice on a Friday evening with a glass of bourbon in hand for the other newbies looking to dive in.

1) If the #1 reason you want to invest is because you keep reading "moon" or "lambo" from that coins community - don't invest...run the opposite direction.

My portfolio is now condensed to BTC/Eth/Waves/Sonm/UnikoinGold, shit coins are gone.

Good luck friends.



I am glad that you are reading a lot and you are able to make wiser decision. However, there is a lot of great coins that you can consider. One of my favourite coin is neo, and it is able to generate gas as dividend. Similarly, i am looking into wtc, lrp, and many other upcoming coins that is solving real world problems.
214  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: The END of ICO's? on: October 28, 2017, 06:18:21 AM
Maybe this will be good for old coins, and coins already in the big market, this is good for old crypto users, especially now too much ICO, maybe this is the right step, we will invest in an existing project since a long time ago

There is a lot of existing coins that have huge potential. However, i do believe that new coins will continue to come in to challenge the existing market. Competition is always good and this will inspired the development team to constantly strife for better developments.
215  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: What you think about Ethereum in like 5years? on: October 28, 2017, 06:15:18 AM
Ethereum has great dev team to constantly tackle issue that ethereum faces. Even though ethereum has a lot of limitation, while other coins can do much better in certain aspect, the public still believe in ethereum more. For example, bitcoin and ethereum have been the only 2 coins for many fiat to crypto exchanges.
216  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Discussion (Altcoins) / Re: All my tokens in MEW stolen! on: October 28, 2017, 06:12:40 AM
Don't put all your eggs in one basket.
Use several different types of wallets to store your tokens.

Actually it is not advisable to use too many wallets as you may have lost or forgotten some of them. One of the best way to store is to get hardware wallet so that it adds another layer of security and make it hard for the hacker to access your wallet.
217  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Best altcoin to invest under 1$ (2017) which and why? on: October 28, 2017, 05:48:11 AM
Im my opinion stellar has the biggest potential while also being relatively safe investment.

Stellar has recently accomplish huge achievement. And they have been growing in values in the recent week. Stellar is definitely a good project with great team but the price can be a bit too high right now. So i will pick it up when it has its correction.
218  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Will Dogecoin have a future? on: October 27, 2017, 03:09:31 PM
I just bought Dogecoin for fun. Dogecoin was launched for Shiba fans. You should not hope it will raise.  Grin

I totally agree. Dogecoin is meant for a form of entertainment and for sharing and caring. It is not meant for flipping and want to get rich. The dev team have not been coming up with new updates but the community is still active and sharing even more.
219  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Blackmoon Crytpo? on: October 27, 2017, 03:08:05 PM
Blackmoon did really great in their ICO, and I believe that's justified. To start with, funds in general are a great implementation for the Blockchain industry, it will become very intuitive to simply buy an asset without going through so many intermediaries, it will become flawless. What I like about Blackmoon is the various products they offer, they categorize them depending on the level of risk the investor wants to take, and they cover whatever any investor would be insterested in (Stocks, Gold, Crypto's etc.). So there is something there for everyone. It of course complicates things, if you compare it with e.g. TaaS - even though TaaS doesn't offer so many products, it keep things simple and has already proven that their divident distribution works like a charm. It's nice to see Blackmoon getting on board at the fund sector because we'll be witnessing some insane growth from institutional investors, going from traditional investments to crypto investments.

I am holding on to Blackmoon tokens too since the ICO. Although the price of the tokens do not does the team justice, I still believe that the dev team will come out with working project on schedule and the ecosystem of the blackmoon will work as what was promise.
220  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Are you picky with ICOs? on: October 27, 2017, 03:05:44 PM
yes I always picky ico will follow, because I do not want to lose my money

You definitely have to be very picky with ICO. The reasons why you want to take part in ICO is because you believe the value and demand of the ICO is worth way more than the ICO sale cap. Otherwise, there is no point to take part in ICO and should just buy it cheaper from the market after release.
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