Wie wäre denn folgende Idee:
Kind K schließt einen Kaufvertrag mit seiner Tante T, Coins gegen Geld, Kaufvertrag wird von beiden Erziehungsberechtigten unterschrieben. K gibt USB-Stick mit Wallet an T, T überweist den Betrag auf Konto von K. Damit hat K doch die Coins wirksam gegen FIAT verkauft.
T überträgt dann die Coins in ihre Online-Wallet und verkauft sie dort am Marktplatz, wobei für T keine Steuern anfallen, da sie die Coins zu (annähernd) dem gleichen Preis verkauft, den sie auch K bezahlt hat.
Würde ich so machen, aber es gibt ja glücklicherweise auch Fachleute hier. Hört sich von der Idee her nicht schlecht an. Aber ob das so OK ist kann Dir denke ich nur ein/e Fachmann/frau bestätigen. Im Zweifel musst Du halt mal nen Steuerberater aufsuchen der sich dann auch hoffentlich in Sachen Crypto ein wenig auskennt. |
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I am, later than i expected, finishing a new Bitcointalk first page (OP).
Expect it to appear tonight or tomorrow.
Don't expect a RED-DOT-AWARD style sensation, but it will be less confusing,
to make our project more understandable and will just be up to date.
have fun
Matthias 
. Very nice to hear, thanks a lot! I think the first page of this thread is very important for all new people who are interested in Europecoin. |
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What is happening with this coin?... It is taking so long time to get listed on coinmarketcap... and we need more promotion and bigger exchanges to be listed on if we want this coin take off and reach the moon  There was a bug in the wallet, so devs had to do a hardfork a few days ago. I think they will work on the next steps now. You can also queck the new roadmap in first post. |
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Vielen Dank für Deine Erläuterung bzgl. der Vergleiches mit Aktien. Problem bleibt dann aber weiterhin, dass das Kind die Coins nicht in FIAT umwandeln kann. Zumindest ist mir keine Börse bekannt. Also am besten die Coins halten und wenn die Kinder 18 sind gehen sie gleich in Rente.  |
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what is term deposit
Hi sumair! In the wallet you can lock your coins for some days, weeks, or months. When the coins are locked they earn interests (see the rates and examples in the first post), but you can not move the coins until the end of your term deposit. OK , ty did u know about solo mining too ? You can start solo mining in the wallet, or you can use cluster/pool mining as you see on first page. All coins you mine you can term deposit if you want. |
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Hallo zusammen,
wollte mal fragen, wie es mit der Besteuerung von Bounty Erträgen aussieht.
Angenommen ich nehme an Bountys teil und erhalte dafür Tokens im Wert von 5k €.
Falls ich diese von meinem eigenen Geld gekauft hätte, wären diese ja nach 1 Jahr Halten steuerfrei?!
Wie seht es denn nun aus, wenn ich dafür halt an Twitter- , Facebook- oder Übersetzungskampagnen teilgenommen habe?
Gilt dies als "Arbeit" und muss auch als Arbeitslohn versteuert werden? Wenn ja, ab welchem Betrag?
Das habe ich auch mit meinem Steuerberater diskutiert :-) Die Lage ist wohl im Augenblick wohl nicht ganz klar, ob du die Coins/Token schon versteuern musst wenn du sie bekommst. Wenn du die dann nach weniger als einem Jahr verkaufst ist dieses in jedem Fall ein Vorgang den du versteuern musst. Die Frage habe ich mir auch schon gestellt. Ich würde das als Arbeit definieren für die man einen Lohn erhält. Somit müsste man den ja dann in dem Jahr versteuern wo man ihn erhalten hat. Aber zu welchem Wert? Aktueller Kurs bei Auszahlung der Bounty sofern es überhaupt schon einen Kurs gibt? Alles etwas kompliziert.  |
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what is term deposit
Hi sumair! In the wallet you can lock your coins for some days, weeks, or months. When the coins are locked they earn interests (see the rates and examples in the first post), but you can not move the coins until the end of your term deposit. |
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Schwierigkeiten mit dem Finanzamt wirst du nur bekommen, wenn du nicht nachweisen kannst, dass die Schenkung bei den Kindern geblieben ist.
Kinderdepot: "Rein rechtlich dürfen Eltern das Konto verwalten, aber kein Geld etwa für die Klassenfahrt oder das Schulgeld des Sprösslings abheben.Tun sie es trotzdem – ohne Wissen des Kindes oder ohne sein Einverständnis – machen sie sich angreifbar. Wenn Eltern das Ersparte ihres Kindes für dessen Unterhalt verwenden, nutzen sie es aus Sicht der Gerichte letztlich für sich selbst. Das Kind könnte sie auf Rückzahlung des Geldes verklagen."
Vorweg, ich bin nicht vom Fach, aber ganz so einfach sehe ich das persönlich nicht. Herr X kauft Coins für 1000 Euro, 3 Monate später verkauft Herr X die Coins für 10.000 Euro, da nur er ein Konto bei einer der Börsen hat und das für Minderjährige nicht möglich ist. Danach schenkt er jedem Kind 5000 Euro. Aber trotzdem hat er vor der Schenkung 9000 Euro Gewinn gemacht die zu versteuern sind. Auch bei der Schenkung von Coins ohne Verkauf kommt mir das nicht so einfach vor. Herr X kauft Coins für 1000 Euro, 3 Monate spätere sind diese 10.000 Euro wert, diese Coins im Wert von 10.000 Euro schenkt er dann den Kindern. Trotzdem hat er vor der Schenkung "Gewinne" im Wert von 9000 Euro erwirtschaftet die doch dann auch zu versteuern wären. Aber hier gibts bestimmt auch noch Fachleute zum Thema. Ist nur meine persönliche laienhafte Meinung. |
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Note for miners:
If you use suprnova's pool,
change a pool because it will be closed at 31/12/2017.
Does anybody know about the reason why suprnova is closing the pool? Suprnova pools always run very stable and have good statistics I think.  |
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A few quick announcements:- The fork at block 25,000 is complete and if you have not done so you need to download and run the new wallet from https://roi-coin.com/roi-coin-downloads
- The white paper is in progress and should be ready to meet the road map deadline
- New ANN translations have been completed and added for Chinese, Romanian and Russian
- The website appearance has been updated for branding, color palette and theme and you can view those changes at https://roi-coin.com
- We have enhanced the new block explorer with SSL + multiple new and cool features which you can see at https://roi-coin-blockexplorer.roi-coin.com/
- The online paper wallet is in progress and will be complete within a week or two
- The community website is doing well and is now up to a login community of 276 users and growing
- We have had multiple 5 star reviews from the community at Facebook and some favorable shares in large crypto communities
- We are working hard to complete the listing at Yobit and are deciding on the next exchange we will go after
- We are readying for a large paid marketing push and will launch this once we are 100% positive that the coin is fully stable post-fork
- Last but not least we are overwhelmed and amazed at the community of this new coin and many thanks to each and every one of you!
Thank you for the update! It seems that the coin, the dev team and the community are on the right way. I'm looking forward to next year. |
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So that means now I have double the amount of ROI I have before fork? how to get it?
I don't recommend bothering with harvesting the coins because only the main chain will survive but if you want to you sure can. All you have to do is keep a copy of your wallet.dat pre-fork and keep a node running on the pre-fork chain. This will preserve your pre-fork coins on the pre-fork chain. You will also need a wallet.dat on the post fork node and it must stay on the post fork chain. This will maintain your post fork coins on the new chain if that makes sense. Keep in mind we are not Bitcoin and the old chain will die a miserable and wretched grizzly horrific catastrophic morbid toxic eternal extinction-level-event death with no supporting seed nodes, community, development, website, tender loving care, etc., etc. It's really hard to understand for me haha Short form: Use only the new wallet with new blockchain because no one will support the "old version" anymore and so it will die. |
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I've noticed a GUI bug in the Windows wallet, once your term deposit has matured the balance will be available but the term deposit info will still be there, I have yet to try restarting to see if it goes away but I am mining right now haha, hit a block at midnight early this morning
Hi johnprimer! Normally this message should go away when you make a term deposit with this coins again. Until the message appears in the table this coins do not staking / earn interests anymore. |
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hey guys
i have some hardware at home that i can use to mine
what should i consider to choose between solo mining and pool mining?
why si every1 speaking of clusters?
thx a lot
Solo-Mining with usual hardware is no good idea in my opinion. It could take many days until you find a block and so it is perhaps very frustrating. If you mine on the pool you get coins continuously depending on the power (hashrate/shares) of your hardware. If you mine on cluster you try to find a block together with other poeple. But only one of the people will get the full 120 coins if cluster finds a block. So it is a little bit more type of luck how often you get the 120 coins. Try cluster and pool for a few days and then you can decide which is best solution for you. |
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So without getting overly technical let's just say the code in the new wallet is able to take a look and see the version of a node trying to connect to our network and it can decide that version is not the proper current version and then reject it. All of this is done automatically. So if a wallet is not upgraded at the time of this fork block 25000 then that wallet will not be able to connect to our network of nodes any longer. Banned, kicked off, evicted are some words that come to mind. The reason this is necessary is to prevent someone from gaming the system by running the previous version and taking advantage of the incorrect/inflated interest rates.
In terms of what happens to those shiny new coins. That is a bit of a situation to say. So picture this in your mind and get a visual: we had a blockchain running only one running mind you so picture this horizontal line.... then exactly at the fork - that horizontal line splits into 2 and now you have two parallel horizontal lines after the fork. You know essentially 2 parallel blockchains running side by side. They both exist and they both contain the same coins that existed prior to the fork.
Now going forward past that fork these 2 different parallel chains are not interchangeable. One chain can't send coins to the other chain and vise verse. They are literally two different animals. So past the fork coins mined on chain 1 are only good on chain 1. Coins mined on chain 2 are only good on chain 2. If you are on the old version after the fork and mine coins those coins will be rejected by the new version. But, both chains do exist and both chains do have coins and both chains can move forward and continue to live.
A great example of this was when Bitcoin forked into Bitcoin Cash. I had a bitcoin wallet running and I had a bitcoin cash wallet running before the fork. After the fork I got free coins. The same amount of bitcoins i had before the fork i then had in my bitcoin cash wallet after the fork. The coins doubled and the new free batch of coins is on the BitcoinCash fork. After this fork the same coins exist on both chains and yet the coins cannot pass back and forth but are stuck on one of the 2 chains.
If this is not clear let me know what questions you might have.
So if i'm one of these 80 odd people still connected to the pool, and if the pool is using the old daemon which is generating the old version of the blockchain. What happens to those 80 odd people. All of them will get banned? Does this ban last forever, or would it be possible to revert back to a previous point, and resync back to the new blockchain? If your wallet is up to date everything is fine for you and your coins in your wallet. But IF the pool really uses old version, the pool would not be able to send you coins (old version) to your wallet (new version). |
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Good catch! I just tried to find contact info for the pool owner, to have him warned, but no luck  . I guess there is no point of mining with that pool after the fork unless pool gets upgraded to 1.1. 73 blocks to go ... Sorry how are you able to check it is the older version? At the top of the wallet click Help and then click About ROIcoin Core The very top line will give you the info you ask about such as this from my wallet: ROIcoin Core version v1.1.0.000 (64-bit) Sorry, what I meant was the pool, how did he/she know that the pool was running on the older version? If you go to http://coinspool.cu.cc/info_roicoin and look at the center green column labeled Pool it displays the Daemon version as 1.0.2.7 This should mean the pool is not on the updated wallet but then again it is possible this is just optics and this info hasn't been updated yet and they could be running the new wallet. So far and as far as I know the pool operator has not responded to requests on this issue. The pool operator has done a good job thus far and I have no worries everything will be taken care of  Pool is on block 25022 but wallet and block explorer is on block 25018. So I Think there could be a problem with the pool. There is nothing wrong, The block explorer uses a cronjob to update every few minutes , this is to reduce the load on the wallet daemon. So it won't be exactly up to date to the second. Are you sure? When you take a look here " http://coinspool.cu.cc/blocks_roicoin", you see that the pool has found all blocks since 25003. Very strange. Also when you take a look at the timestamp for block 25025 for example: explorer: 10:05 oh clock, pool 9:57 o clock. |
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Good catch! I just tried to find contact info for the pool owner, to have him warned, but no luck . I guess there is no point of mining with that pool after the fork unless pool gets upgraded to 1.1. 73 blocks to go ... Sorry how are you able to check it is the older version? At the top of the wallet click Help and then click About ROIcoin Core The very top line will give you the info you ask about such as this from my wallet: ROIcoin Core version v1.1.0.000 (64-bit) Sorry, what I meant was the pool, how did he/she know that the pool was running on the older version? If you go to http://coinspool.cu.cc/info_roicoin and look at the center green column labeled Pool it displays the Daemon version as 1.0.2.7 This should mean the pool is not on the updated wallet but then again it is possible this is just optics and this info hasn't been updated yet and they could be running the new wallet. So far and as far as I know the pool operator has not responded to requests on this issue. The pool operator has done a good job thus far and I have no worries everything will be taken care of Pool is on block 25022 but wallet and block explorer is on block 25018. So I Think there could be a problem with the pool. |
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About 25 blocks left to go and your dev team is ready! EDIT: make that 15 blocks EDIT: make that 7 blocks EDIT: make that ... uh yep we are forked Congratulations to the dev team! They made a great job for the fork I think. My wallet is still working fine. |
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Cluster all updated and awaiting fork I have sent the pool owner a message to. Thank you very much. Only 34 blocks left until fork. Hope everything like cluster, pool or wallet will work without any problems. |
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Hab auch versucht irgendwelche News zu finden warum XRP so hoch geht. Aber wie enta2k schon schreibt keinen besonderen Grund gefunden. Kann mir das nur so erklären das ein oder mehrere Großinvestoren XRP für sich entdeckt haben und sich massiv eingedeckt haben. Aber das ist reine Spekulation. :-)
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Wenn Du mit "normaler" Überweisung kaufen willst kann ich auch nur bitstamp empfehlen. Musst Dich aber einmalig legitimieren und weiß nicht wie lange das aktuell dauert. Bei mir damals nur 1 Tag. Wenn Du dann Geld dorthin überweist dauert es 2 Werktage bis es dort gutgeschrieben ist. Eilig geht es dann halt nur mit Kreditkarte oder Sofortüberweisung bei dem ein- oder anderen Anbieter, aber teilweise auch unverschämte Gebühren. Also vorher schauen wieviel % die direkt von Deiner Einzahlung einsacken.
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