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201  Economy / Service Discussion / What if Mark Karpeles IRC chat is fake? on: February 27, 2014, 09:39:56 AM
Is this chat in the public domain?
Why does everyone believe that this conversation is even real?

FOX News are known to lie to the public. This guy Wicked Fire works for them. Why would Mark say such dumb crap if he knew he was chatting to someone with connections to Fox news?

This Wicked Fire bloke doesn't provide anything but a pasted copy of a chat. Anyone could make that:

http://www.wickedfire.com/shooting-shit/179038-my-conversation-mark-karpeles-mtgox-2.html



202  Economy / Speculation / Re: Do you really believe gox has lost 740,000 BTC and has only 2,000 left? on: February 27, 2014, 09:23:33 AM
People who don't know anyone involved are saying "it's impossible"

then people in the know are saying "worst run business in history"

Maybe it IS possible.



Yes, but maybe it ISN'T
203  Economy / Speculation / Re: The Destroy Mt.Gox Cosnpiracy on: February 27, 2014, 08:38:22 AM
HA HA!

There is still no proof. Just a fake ass Goxed-up article written by Mark to fool everyone.
I have no idea what is really going on. But i DO know that there is no proof of Gox being insolvent. Just rumours.
HA HA HA HA HAAAAAA
204  Economy / Speculation / Re: Do you really believe gox has lost 740,000 BTC and has only 2,000 left? on: February 27, 2014, 08:33:21 AM
No. IMPOSSIBLE

Mark wrote that phoney document himself - to serve his own agenda. Most probably to crash the price so he can buy up cheap coins and save Gox.
Good luck to him I say!
205  Economy / Speculation / Re: Predict the next Gox revelation here and win respect from fellow forum members on: February 27, 2014, 04:33:23 AM
The crisis document claims they've lose 742,400 out of 744,400 coins and that they only have 2000 coins left.

Here is my prediction.

The theft related to the transaction malleability was small and probably only 5-20% of their actual funds - all it did was empty their hot wallet and force them to try to redeem their cold wallet. Imo, there is no chance that they lost 99.9% of their bitcoin from that theft, since it would have equated to 500-600 coins per day since mtgox's inception; or $50,000 a day in the long, sustained stable period of a average price of $100 usd/btc.

Upon trying to redeem their huge cold wallets with around 80% of the customer's 774,000 coins; Mark discovered that the private keys could not be recovered due to some bug in his own custom coded software. Ever since he's been stalling for time, trying to recover the keys to the private storage. The document is in fact real, and mark would rather cry theft than admit that he accidentally lost the keys to 772,000 coins. The document was being circulated to potential investors so that Mtgox could be bought and no one would ever know the true depth of Mark's incompetence.

The document was leaked by someone involved in the potential acquisition and that immediately destroyed some interest in the acquisition.

I still believe that Mtgox may be acquired or some outside experts may be brought in to recover the private keys.

The private keys may not be recoverable, and 600,000-700,000 coins are lost forever.

I reckon this could be close to the truth too.
There is no way that 750,000 coins could have been stolen. So Krapeles MUST be lying about that. He did say himself the document was 'legit MORE OR LESS' AND he said that it was NOT produced by Gox. So what does that mean? It means that it is a slightly dodgy document probably made by him to create some kind of effect in the public.
Why would he do that?
Maybe like you said - coz he is such a dumb ass that he forgot his password to the cold storage or something dumb like that. Or maybe an employee stole some funds? Maybe he is pretending funds got stolen so he can get out of some debt?

Or I think the most likely is that HE faked this document to crash the price of bitcoin so he can buy a load on the cheap to claw back what he's lost so far. That makes the most sense to me. Others in the Foundation found out and told him to resign. He thought "great - that will crash the BTC price some more".
Soon as the BTC price rises up to $700 or so, he will sell all his cheap coins and pay off his debts. Hopefully someone else will buy Gox from him and get it running properly.

I'm still totally stunned by the 750,000 BTC thing. HOW can it be true? HOW? He said 'more or less legit' so I am guessing that that part is just a massive LIE for some reason.

Any ideas why he would make that up?
206  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 26, 2014, 01:44:56 AM
GREAT NEWS! MTGOX WILL RISE AGAIN !

207  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gox Exit/Entrance Speculation on: February 25, 2014, 11:47:09 PM
I just wonder who wrote the draft. It's written as an outside opinion of Mt.Gox.

Mark wouldn't write:
Quote
The reality is that MtGox can go bankrupt at any moment, and certainly deserves to as a company

It all seems like a comment on Gox, with some suggestions of what to do next, but it is not obvious how the author would know how many coins (if any) were stolen or lost.

Of course it's fake.

Now that the hyper ventilating media have started reporting it as real - on the same day that he resigned from the foundation - Gox stopped trading cause if they didn't the price would have completely collapsed due to panic.
208  Economy / Speculation / Re: Mt Gox CEO Karpeles says bitcoin exchange is at "turning point" on: February 25, 2014, 11:36:55 PM
Leaked document ==

209  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 25, 2014, 11:34:15 PM
210  Economy / Speculation / Re: Copy of the alleged MTGox Crisis draft strategy on: February 25, 2014, 11:33:20 PM
211  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Why are people defending MTGox? on: February 25, 2014, 09:25:14 PM
Hmm...  It's a conspiracy theory to say that the leaked document is fake - but....

Like everything else, it's a feel good stall tactic to give people false hope while they finish covering their tracks and pocketing the last few coins and dollars of fiat that are left.

Conspiracies, conspiracies eh?

It's not about defending Gox. When people make wild claims like the one above with no supporting evidence - then any fair minded person would 'defend' the person being accused. There is no real evidence to say that Gox is trying to steal anyone's money so just repeating that meme.

Gox have fucked up big time, yes. But that could be for many reasons - they've been hacked, they are incompetent, they have bugs in code etc... probably all three of those things, now on top of that the phoney leaked document comes out the same day Mark is 'resigned' - so to save a total collapse of bitcoin, they switched off their system. That's the facts as they seem to be right now.
212  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gox Exit/Entrance Speculation on: February 25, 2014, 09:17:33 PM
There are many powerful people who hate bitcoin and therefore hate Gox. They faked the document to try and bring a total collapse of one or both. Gox reacted by stopping all trading to save bitcoin price. They will announce something soon about the phoney document and that they are merging with another company - that will restore confidence before they then re-start trading.
213  Economy / Speculation / Re: Mt.Gox LATEST ANNOUNCEMENT 26th Feb on: February 25, 2014, 09:14:19 PM
Well anyway, it seems that both those events happened on the same day, so maybe they thought that the combination of the Foundation resignation and the phoney document might cause such a massive Gox BTC sell-off that they had to switch their system off until they had a chance to respond properly.
Anyone else got any serious thoughts on this? I don't see any other thread discussing this.
214  Economy / Speculation / Re: Question nobody is asking...... did you get double paid by Gox?? on: February 25, 2014, 09:10:55 PM
The people that got 'double paid' were hackers, manipulating Gox's system. They are not going to admit that in a poll!
215  Economy / Speculation / Re: 750k coins stolen =7% of currently mined coins, belong to one person? on: February 25, 2014, 09:09:40 PM
The document was fake. You'd have to be a fucking retard not to work that out.
216  Economy / Speculation / Mt.Gox LATEST ANNOUNCEMENT 26th Feb on: February 25, 2014, 09:02:58 PM
They have added a cryptic announcement on their homepage:

"Dear MtGox Customers,

In light of recent news reports and the potential repercussions on MtGox's operations and the market, a decision was taken to close all transactions for the time being in order to protect the site and our users. We will be closely monitoring the situation and will react accordingly.

Best regards,
MtGox Team"


Any clue what that is supposed to mean?!! Are they talking about the phoney leaked document when they say 'recent news reports'? Or maybe they mean Mark's 'resignation' from the Bitcoin Foundation.

Mark's email to Reuters: http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/02/25/us-bitcoin-mtgox-ceo-idUSBREA1O12T20140225
217  Economy / Speculation / Re: Mtgox.com html sourcecode (they are being acquired) on: February 25, 2014, 12:17:03 PM
https://support.mtgox.com/forums/20158837-What-s-new-at-Mt-Gox
218  Economy / Speculation / Re: Do you really believe gox has lost 740,000 BTC and has only 2,000 left? on: February 25, 2014, 12:13:36 PM
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219  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Find Mark Karpeles and do _xxxxxx- to him on: February 25, 2014, 11:16:55 AM
i lost 5000USD deposit there, omg site is gone now. lets do something!!!!



is that hydrochloric acid? Great idea!

220  Economy / Speculation / Re: Maybe the MTGox FIX is coming? SiteDown, TradingDown on: February 25, 2014, 11:15:11 AM
You might be right on this1 and i honestly hope you are because i have btc and fiat in mtgox. However don't you think that if they wanted to fix the code or resume withdrawals and test the site wouldn't they scream it off the rooftops as they always do, or at least let everyone know?

Well, they did say they were fixing the code. And they have a bad history of shitty PR. Plus they have said that they need to test their code 'live'. So you put that all together and maybe...

Well now their site has a message that says:

<html>
   <head>
      <title>MtGox.com</title>
   </head>
   <body>
      <!-- put announce for mtgox acq here -->
   </body>
</html>

(in the source)

so who knows. Their support page is still online so i'm very pissed that they haven't put any news on there to explain what the fuck they are doing

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