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201  Economy / Securities / Re: Creative Mining Official IPO thread on: October 14, 2014, 12:36:30 AM
You've got access to free electricity?? Did you obtain that access/electricity legally? I don't really think that electricity is the cheapest commodity in Germany... I guess you guys are located in one of Germany's industrial centres?

Yes, we have access to free electricity grid up to 100kW and yes, it's obtained legally. The Industrial estate on where Creative Mining underground facility is located, is a privately owned land belonging to Creative Mining operator relatives. Therefore, there is no electricity or hosting costs involved. These advantages will make Creative Mining competitive with any other mining assets on the market.

Can you elaborate on this any more? If I understand this correctly, the electricity is free to you, but someone in your family is paying for it? Why would they subsidize your mining operation?
202  Economy / Securities / Re: Invest in a profitable and established eBay store on: October 14, 2014, 12:28:22 AM
This is how shares will be distributed:
Total Shares: 25,000
25,000 Shares at 0.001 BTC

Dividends: Paid bi-weekly.
70% to shareholders
20% for management
10% reselling fees

BTC Address:1H8xrQFKWdjJsrH7vgtri4w6RRpk3q7hDE

First Dividend: October 31st
Dividend Amount: (Tentative on price from USD to BTC) 0.209205024 BTC


Maybe I'm missing something, but isn't declaring a dividend before you've even sold anything counter-intuitive? If a share of profit is returned to investors through dividends, you have to have a profit first. Paying out dividends with the funds people give you for the business just for the sake of declaring a dividend and paying something out sounds too much like a ponzi. If dividends were based on a share of profits and were a return on investment, you would declare them every two weeks based on the profit of what you sold in the previous two week period.

203  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Barriers to introducing people to bitcoin on: October 14, 2014, 12:10:47 AM
Other than people looking to trade Bitcoin for profit due to the volatile nature, I haven't had much success in having people adopt Bitcoin as a payment source. There are already safer and easier methods available so people don't see a reason for it YET.

The benefits are far greater for merchants. They pay a couple percentage points on each transaction to accept credit cards, they could accept btc instead and offer a discount for consumers to pay in bitcoin, and still come out ahead compared to credit cards. This sounds like a good thing, more merchants drive more people to use bitcoin. The problem though is no merchant accepts bitcoin and holds it. They can't risk the volatility eating their profit margin and turning sales into losses. So they immediately convert to fiat, because it's stable. This puts a lot of downward pressure on the price of bitcoin. So you think wider merchant acceptance helps the price, but I think it's having the opposite effect.
204  Other / Off-topic / Re: HOW TO CONTROL THE NEWS AND IT'S TWITTER FETISH on: October 13, 2014, 11:46:05 PM
Media is obsessed with twitter because it's just another way to drive engagement, and therefore ratings. I don't find any use for twitter. I personally hate it. If you're looking for national cable news programs to do quality journalism, you're looking in the wrong place. They're only there to speak to people who already agree with them so they keep their eyeballs there so the stations can sell advertising. And people are happy to tweet at these clowns for the chance to see their idiotic ideas (condensed to 140 characters) displayed on TV.
205  Other / Politics & Society / Re: More paedophile talk! on: October 13, 2014, 11:35:41 PM
Absolutely not. Apple and Google are implementing features the people want. We all know the government isn't going to listen to the people (except to spy on them), so it's nice that someone is. As far as I'm concerned, if the government is in a tizzy over this, Apple and Google are doing something right. They can rightfully view this as a direct response to their unjustified spying. They won't, but that doesn't change the fact that it is.
206  Other / Meta / Re: Marking Last Read Comment in a Thread on: October 13, 2014, 11:10:12 PM
If you click on the "new" icon on the thread title it will take you to the first new comment.

This is helpful, I didn't know you could click that.

It doesn't do what you ask though.

If you click on "new", it might take you to the second page if that's what you read up to last.  But say the thread has 10 pages - you've now told the system you have read all 10 pages, and next time you click "new", it will take you to that tenth page.   Undecided

Right, it's better than nothing because I didn't even know it could do that before,  but if you don't read all the new comments every time, it won't work well.
207  Economy / Services / Re: ★☆★Bitin.io » Instant Cryptocoin Exchange » Campaign, Sig & Personal Msg ★☆★ on: October 13, 2014, 10:49:48 PM
how many persons are in the campaign?

94, according to this document

Is there a limit here to how many they will take? I would think they are paying out a lot, but then again the rates are low enough that perhaps it is not as much as other campaigns. Still, other campaigns seem to average around a 25 member limit.
208  Other / Off-topic / Re: The great debate - dank vs vod on: October 13, 2014, 10:42:35 PM
what is this debate about?

I think dank should repay the 53btc he owes squall.  dank admits he owes squall the coins.

dank thinks squall should wait until he throws a million man concert, at which time squall will get more than he asks.  

Wait, seriously? Someone lent him 53 btc? For WHAT?

Yeah afraid so.

Hello, everyone, my name is Dank and I'm here to prove my worthiness as an investment.
...
By the end of this year, 2012, I believe I will be a highly known guitarist/musician.

Unfortunately Dank himself only turned out to be 'fools gold'.


Holy yikes, I just clicked around that original post at random and the stuff in there is off the crazy scale!
209  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Collectivism: A Self-Renewing Concept on: October 13, 2014, 10:34:38 PM
when a job is actually done in collectivity, of course, the job will be completed more quickly, collectivity has the added value of cooperation to increase the productivity of work, but sometimes one must have a weak point, weak point of the collectivity is the issue of trust, the higher the sense of confidence to others, the higher the level of the collectivity of a society, the lower the level of trust to others it will be the lower level of the collectivity of a community, hopefully this collectivity level can add a sense of public trust in their representatives in parliament ...  Cool

I can't fully understand what you're trying to say, but I don't think the "collectivity" you're referring to in your response is the kind of collectivism OP was talking about. You seem to be referring to multiple people working on a project, where OP I think is talking about economic collectivism, where you receive money for work others do because that's "fair."
210  Other / Off-topic / Re: The great debate - dank vs vod on: October 13, 2014, 10:18:43 PM
what is this debate about?

I think dank should repay the 53btc he owes squall.  dank admits he owes squall the coins.

dank thinks squall should wait until he throws a million man concert, at which time squall will get more than he asks. 

Wait, seriously? Someone lent him 53 btc? For WHAT?
211  Other / Meta / Re: Marking Last Read Comment in a Thread on: October 13, 2014, 10:12:09 PM
If you click on the "new" icon on the thread title it will take you to the first new comment.

This is helpful, I didn't know you could click that.

There's no way to do what you want AFAIK. You might want to consider adding it to the new forum software requests. As-is, I just keep the tab open until I'm ready to get back to it, which is probably why my tab bar is always such a mess. Cheesy

I'm a serial tabber, so I think this would make a mess of things even more so than they already are. I was just hoping for a quick way to do it in the forum. It seems the suggestion quoted above might be the best way to do it. That wouldn't help if you don't read all the new comments at once though. Especially for popular threads, I can't always read all the new comments in one sitting, so I was hoping for a way to mark where I left off in instances for times when I can read longer.
212  Other / Off-topic / Re: The great debate - dank vs vod on: October 13, 2014, 10:01:39 PM
Doesn't a debate have to have a topic to debate? Unless you're going to debate what Vod had for breakfast, this has started off without a topic and a pointless question.
213  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Barriers to introducing people to bitcoin on: October 13, 2014, 09:46:33 PM
I think if the value of the currency wasn't so volatile it would be easier. Money is supposed to be a store of value, and right now we have rapid swings (compared to USD fiat). I think something slowing adoption for most people is the risk that if you have a significant amount of value in bitcoin, it could depreciate 25% in a month. The USD has experienced inflation, sure, but it's a stable rock compared to the risk of volatility associated with bitcoin.

On the other hand, bitcoin's rapid appreciation last year was what brought so many people into it, to speculate. But this kind of reinforces my first point. When last year's bubble has deflated through this year, people leave with a bad taste in their mouth. It would have been better if the currency was more stable. Ultimately, people want stability and predictability.
214  Other / Meta / Re: Marking Last Read Comment in a Thread on: October 13, 2014, 09:40:02 PM
You can click on the title or the number of the specific post and bookmark it if you wish.

But there's no function inside the forum to do it, right? Doing it with a browser (externally) is the only method?
215  Other / Meta / Marking Last Read Comment in a Thread on: October 13, 2014, 08:30:42 PM
Is there a way to mark what the last comment you saw in a thread was so that you can pick up reading from where you left off without hunting through the thread?
216  Economy / Services / Re: ★☆★Bitin.io » Instant Cryptocoin Exchange » Campaign, Sig & Personal Msg ★☆★ on: October 12, 2014, 09:04:05 PM
Thanks for payment, I will stay enrolled!

Could you look into my payment though? I was paid for 26 posts, but think I should have been paid for 32 posts. I was confirmed in the 3rd pay period the day before it ended and didn't have enough posts to get a payout in only one day. So my posts should have carried over to the next period, but I wasn't paid for them. The net I am owed should be 24,000 satoshis (6 posts at newbie rate of 4k satoshis per post).

Please let me know if you agree with this.

Thanks.
217  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Stop discussing war and politics. You are feeding the fire. on: October 09, 2014, 03:47:59 PM
Let's break this nonsense down into its parts:

Negativity is a manifestation of consciousness, positivity. E=MC^2 demonstrates this.  Energy is exponentially denser and more powerful than matter.

Yes, negativity is a manifestation of consciousness, as is positivity. The universe has no subjective state. The universe is, and we assign values to it. E=MC^2 does not demonstrate what you say. That's like saying 'everything negative comes from my brain, and the Pythagorean Theorem proves this.' Well, no, it doesn't.


All matter is created by consciousness.  

No, matter predated consciousness.

A couple examples that demonstrate this are motion and dreams.

Motion is the application of energy, and dreams are not tangible. Neither one of them is matter. Neither one of them are examples of how matter is created by consciousness.


For motion to begin with no source of energy to first exert motion is physically impossible.  

This is not true. All matter/energy that will ever exist was seeded by the Big Bang. Therefore, all motion was made possible from the energy released during the Big Bang.

If you believe everything was created from nothing, as the big bang proposes, then it would take nothing short of a miracle, consciousness.  

Call it a "miracle" or whatever synonym you want. One thing it would be incorrect to call it is "consciousness."

Let's say the universe has been in constant motion for all eternity and wasn't spawned from one instance

Let's not say this, because it's not accurate. The universe was spawned in one instance and has been in motion for as long as it has existed. That's an accurate thing you could say.

Add consciousness to the equation.  Unless you believe humans are robotic reactionary magnets bouncing through space with no intellect or freewill, humans require a consciousness to hold intelligence and give freewill.  But this is not exclusive to humans, thinking so is quite egocentric.  

All completely irrelevant to the Big Bang and the universe. You know what else is irrelevant to? Adding milk. Instead of adding consciousness to the equation, let's add milk. It makes just as much sense.

Humans came from earth, so in order for humans to have consciousness, earth must hold the same consciousness, just as the animals and plants do as well.

This is bullshit. Earth doesn't have consciousness. Earth is an inanimate object. Animals have consciousness because they have a brain. Except for limited instances in certain species, animals have a consciousness without self-awareness. Plants do not have a consciousness or self-awareness. Maybe we should try adding milk?

Science reinforces this and that plants are indeed aware of their surroundings.

This is something you just made up. Science is very pissed you're defaming it. I hear it's thinking about suing you for slander. This is something you should be worried about, because unlike the rest of us, you believe that inanimate objects have consciousness, and therefore, the reality that science might actually sue you for slander should be a very real possibility.

So if humans are intelligent beings, earth is a conscious host cell that we inhabit.  

False conclusion based on nonexistent equivalency. Why don't we instead say "If humans have fingers, pushups like the color purple." The conclusion is just as valid, and just as unconnected to the premise.

And if earth is a conscious host cell, then the star dust it is composed of must also be conscious.

Already established it's not, but why not add in another unrelated conclusion. So now we have, "If humans have fingers, pushups like the color purple. If pushups like the color purple, then the colors red and blue, which make purple, must also have fingers."

Dreams further prove humans are conscious beings and not willless flesh robots pinballing through a game of fate endlessly.

This was never in question. No one was maintaining this. You've successfully concluded something nobody was arguing against.

Matter is a lower dimensional occurrences consciousness has created in order to experience itself from a foreign perspective of negativity and division, rather than positivity and unity.  

Matter exists outside consciousness. It always has. It always will. The rest of this sentence is a string of words that when put in their current order have no meaning. Except to milk. Milk likes that sentence very much.

Negativity is a necessary part of experiencing this world of 3D space and death, but it is not a necessary trait of existence, while positivity is, as it is endless.  Negativity cannot possibly result in an energy of a higher density or power.  Matter is incapable of replicating an energy of a higher dimension.

Milk likes this too, as it's all devoid of meaning. This sentence doesn't mean anything. It's kinda like saying Milkity milk milk milky milk. Of course, milk loves that sentence, but it has no meaning. Mmmmm, milk.

Negativity is the creation of love, consciousness.  Satan is merely a deep illusion god has created to perceive self from a different perspective, for if negativity never existed, we'd always be a singular point of infinite love.

Even though this statement is coherent, it's self-contradictory to itself. "If negativity never existed, we'd always be a singular point of infinite love."  -You.  Then, "Negativity is the creation of love." -Also, you. So according to you, only love would exist without negativity, but love comes from negativity, so we have to stop being negative so we can have more love, but we have to be negative in order to create love.

Do you see the logical inconsistencies with this single statement? It's a microcosm of all your posts.

TL;DR: Everything you said is milk.

This response has been sponsored by milk.

218  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Stop discussing war and politics. You are feeding the fire. on: October 08, 2014, 06:35:12 PM
Not discussing war isn't going to magically make war stop. Discussing it is the only hope you have to stop it. War begets war, so you cannot fight your way to peace. Discussing the wrongs of war is the only hope to bringing enlightenment about its evils. You say you want peace, but then you seek to block the only path to it.

How are you discussing war?  The energy you emit is very different if you're discussing philosophy not specifically about any one war but the idea of war in itself, than if you are discussing past and future events of terror, intentionally or not, spreading fear into others that they are unsafe or out of control over their fate.

We should stop thriving on the negatives, they bring more negatives.  Look at the bright side and if you can't see it through war, perhaps try looking elsewhere.

I personally feel cosmic warfare is a much more interesting battle to tune yourself into.  A constant battle of energies unfolds within and around you each and every moment.

Physical warfare is a result of our cosmic warfare.  If we realign our cosmos with love, war would naturally digress and wither away.

One thing is for sure, you're not going to end war through violence.

You cannot discuss the philosophy of war or war as a concept without using specific examples, otherwise you have no reference point. Just as the blind have no reference point or understanding of color; this doesn't stop color from existing. The world is colorful, whether or not the blind have a reference point for color as a concept. So it is with war, it exists whether or not you talk about it. But talking about war leads to understanding of its evils, and understanding of its evils leads to less war. You cannot understand the immorality of war if you speak of it only philosophically. Understanding its evil is rooted in empathy, and empathy comes from knowing who its victims are.
219  Economy / Economics / Re: Buy and Hold Bitcoin untill next halving time on: October 08, 2014, 06:24:58 PM
The markets are pretty efficient and should price in the effects of halving well in advance
That said, i agree that long-term btc is a no-brainer investment
Markets are not very efficient at pricing anything. Otherwise, where do bubbles and stock crashes come from?

That is not inefficiensy. It is the result of real changes in valuations from the actors in the market. Do you prefer that some lord decides for you and everybody else what has value?

Bubbles and crashes are one big inefficiency.

Generally, I would say that markets are not efficient at all! And what lord are you talking about? People are stupid enough without lords.

You're confusing efficient with perfect. The market has proven efficient, if it was inefficient it wouldn't be self-correcting, but that's exactly what crashes are: corrections for when greed outpaces the fundamentals.
220  Economy / Gambling / Re: MoneyPot.com -- The Social Gambling Game on: October 08, 2014, 04:36:19 PM
Maybe the guy who backed out of the bet is the guy who told on MP to AWS, so he would have a reason to back out of the bet.

That was my first thought too.

The timing is very curious, to say the least.
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