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201  Economy / Economics / Re: what will happen to banks? on: November 01, 2017, 02:34:01 PM
To the banks will happen as usual. They will adapt to the market choosing the most viable way form them. If they will fell that the population has an attraction to bitcoin then they will take it more serious.
some people are thinking that bitcoin will destroy bank but according to my opinion every country needed a bank system so that they can do business and transfer money to various countries and there is also more need of bank in every country so it is not possible that bitcoin will end the bank system but yes it is possible that it will reduce the value of banks.
Recently Swiss was in news for their ambition to remove the hard cash completely from their economy and have everything online payments. Now for swiss it is possible to eradicate the cash from the system. By because of well connected banking and finance players like visa, mastercard. Bitcoin does not need a thirdparty payment gateway like visa, mastercard. So If adopted correctly and fully by everyone then bitcoin will replace the bank from the peer to peer payment system once and for all. In the initial stage things will be same as it is now with the digital payments working with cash. As people start to notice that bitcoin is easy and reliable way of peer to peer transfer then reliability of banks will lessen.
202  Economy / Economics / Re: Yes or No? Doesn't Bitcoin unfairly benefit early adopters? on: November 01, 2017, 09:17:46 AM
My opinion is that early adopters are rewarded for getting into Bitcoin before it was worth anything. They probably deserve any wealth that they have acquired. Not just with Bitcoin, but in anything that takes time to succeed, those that invest early will most likely receive the greatest reward.

But the rest of us can still make money if we work hard at investing and trading and if we make good decisions along the way. We can also get in early on some good altcoins and maybe we can reap the benefits as well.
It took nearly seven good years to see the profit for People who invested in bitcoin in early year. Realizing the potential in the early stage is either a skill or luck, but that matters when profit making is concerned. Putting money in something which you think will succeed when idea or concept is just realizing is not easy task. Frankly those who invested in very early stage were not even sure about this much return on investment. It is those who realized the potential in later stage that is probably past mt. gox incident, those investors deserve this return on profit. Because after mount gox incident value and credit of bitcoin plummeted from 1100 USD to 250 USD. Those who kept their coins and kept on purchasing were the ones who knew that bitcoin is next big thing.
There are no other coins which has that much good will and ability to bounce back from the fall. At max ethereum or bitcoin cash is showing some promises but no one is near bitcoin. There are less chances of that happening.
203  Economy / Economics / Re: Do You Think Bitcoin Will Replace Dollar Soon? on: November 01, 2017, 09:07:48 AM

Until now there has been no official state using bitcon, this makes bitcoin development becomes obstructed, moreover there are many countries that officially banned bitcoin, if there is assumption bitcoin replace dollar of course this will be difficult happened in a short time, and maybe need at least 50 years to replace dollar.
Bitcoin will "never" replace dollar even there will be like 50-100 years to go then it will not be enough for bitcoin to replace dollar because dollar is a currency that is already here in our world even we are not yet born and dollar is unstoppable because it is being backed by the government and the government will do anything to not let dollar disappear.

Yes agree, as long as the USA with USD is still a super power it will be difficult to replace the dollar until whenever, just the opposite if bitcoin becomes a threat to the dollar then USA will destroy bitcoin.
Definitely, there will be a war coming ahead between the super currencybitcoin and the current super currency dollar. US will definitely stand for dollar while all the other technical world will fight at the bitcoin’s side. So be prepare for that worst era coming along the time. Still, bitcoin will be more powerful in coming times and on the flip side, dollar is losing the value so see what happen.
Fat chance of US against other technical world standing. At this stage, US is the power to reckon with in this world. Be it any trade like crude oil or gold happens only in USD. Nothing else. Unless and until USA has capability to keep the USD as the global currency other countries will have to back US. Many countries like China, UK and other have invested heavily in US bonds. Thus if USD fails these countries are in big trouble. However China is trying to get the oil trade in their own currency and that will be convertible to the gold as well. May it happen new cutting edge competition on currencies will be observed.
No matter who wins the global currency title, that country will try to retain it. So if US manages to remain the number one currency it will do anything to keep bitcoin away from becoming a threat.
Currently Fedwire is moving 2 trillion USD per day. Total market capital of bitcoin is around 106,484,282,091 USD.

204  Economy / Economics / Re: Do you think billionaires invest in BTC? on: November 01, 2017, 06:30:26 AM
I just always wonder if those billionaires still invest in btc. Do they even know btc exist?

I think billionaires is not necessarily a bitcoin investment because they have their own business and they do not necessarily know bitcoin, but i am sure there are some billionaires know bitcoin, they believe bitcoin investment is profitable and they will to invest bitcoin.
That is not true. The billionaires do have their business or chain of business. However they are constantly looking for new untapped markets, business ventures as well. Timing is everything. Early bird gets the worm. Thus anything which shows potential for great profit is an opportunity. Bitcoin or for that matter the cryptocurrency is one such opportunity. Specifically bitcoin is the coin to go for. If you check the few big names who are investing in bitcoins then you would understand that bitcoin is no more obscure. Say it good or bad but ransomeware publicized the bitcoin. The coverage of bitcoin from the mainstream news-entertainment media created a lot of buzz. JPmorgan which entered the market recently with big splash. Bill Miller has considerable amount of funds from the hedge fund reserved for bitcoin. In fact it was the bitcoin which gave his hedge fund the profitability that no any stock would have been able to.
205  Economy / Economics / Re: Easiest way to make BTC? on: October 31, 2017, 02:19:09 PM
Yeah, what's the easiest way to make the most BTC? I remember a pal how he made some currency to 1 BTC in an evening, something with Amazon. But I guess such things are gone.

Daytrading right now but I am not that good at it. Bots? Do I have to make my own?
Easiest way? I'd say join bounty campaigns. Well, actually, it is not that easy because ofcourse there's no easy way to earn profit or Bitcoin. But it is just that, compared to other ways, this is the wisest and easiest way I think since you won't need a capital so it is less risky and complicated than investment and trading. A participant of the campaign should only be qualified and must finish the task given on a certain campaign to be eligible with rewads or token at the end of the campaign . From that, the tokens received can be traded into BTC. Much better if you would read more about it .

That’s true joining signature campaign is the easiest way to make bitcoin you just need to follow the rules to be eligible for the payment. There’s a lot of way to make bitcoin you just need to know how and find ways.
Joining signature campaign and earning bitcoin is not much cost efficient though. The amount of work that needs to go in writing creative posts, that too regularly is not easy. Also to earn sizable amount from the signature campaign the account needs to have higher ranking. Which is not easy. It is time consuming. If you simply put aside some cash from monthly income for purchase of bitcoin that would be much easier way. For bounty, you need those specific technical or social media skills to enter in one. Writing a blog about the coin or token or twiiter with many followers or facebook with so and so shares, friends is not easy to manage.
That is why I mentioned it is better to invest part of your regular income in bitcoin.
206  Economy / Economics / Re: Why economists say Bitcoin a bubble on: October 31, 2017, 01:04:02 PM
we dont know whats on their minds. maybe they're just testing how it will resist like what Dimon did. maybe they're just discouraging people so they can buy some time to hold more. possibilities are endless.
Some of the points raised by the economists are fair and straightforward. One big objection about the overpriced, many economists are thinking that if bitcoin is put in actual use then its real price will be determined. And that price will be very less than what it is now.
At the same time we have seen people time Dimon who used their position to manipulate the prices and when prices were low they swoop in. However with this kind of approach, you succeed only once. Next time Dimon will not be taken seriously. Other people who are negating bitcoins is purely based on prejudice and lack of information. And some being simply bank-media shill.
207  Economy / Economics / Re: Why is bitcoin better than stocks, real-estate? on: October 31, 2017, 12:57:28 PM
Bitcoin is a very profitable asset,but we can`t compare it with stocks and real estate.
Sooner or later the tremendous btc growth will slow down or even stop and we have to be ready.
This might happen after a few years or maybe next year.
Some assets provide less risk and less profit and other more profit and more risk.Bitcoin doesn`t fit anywhere and i can`t consider btc  a risky asset.This will change in the future.
  
In its purest form bitcoin is a currency. However in todays world bitcoin is developed into the commodity or investment tool. So When it comes to investment in best asset for best results we could compare the bitcoin with other assets like real-estate, stock market, metals. As far as growth rate is considered we don't know how it move, neither at what rate it will move. Bitcoin and overall cryptocurrencies are unpredictable. Though we need to understand that everything listed on https://coinmarketcap.com is not currency. There are some tokens as well.
There will be slowndown in growth and acceptance of bitcoin as well. However we do not know when. Till then get rich till you can.
208  Economy / Economics / Why is bitcoin better than stocks, real-estate? on: October 31, 2017, 12:17:10 PM
In the traditional investment systems  there are areas like stock exchange, real estates, commodity market, forex market. Then there are hedge funds, mutual funds, equity, debentures. Next in line are precious metals like Gold, silver, diamond. Years after year and decades after decades when mainstream economics was convincing people that how one of above is better than other as it is giving returns in the range of 8% to 9% at max 10-13% a new revolution named bitcoin is rising and spreading across the world. Bitcoin has defied all conventional knowledge about return on interest. Surviving each negative publicity and doubts, incidents like mt. gox and still growing better than ever.

What do you think why bitcoin is the best investment than stocks, real-estate, gold or any other conventional investment?
209  Economy / Economics / Re: Future of Bitcoin Economics on: October 31, 2017, 12:02:43 PM
Yes, I totally agree with your statement "Future of Bitcoin Economics depends on mass adoption of Bitcoin. No body can predict accurately the true future of Bitcoin."
We are just betting on its future, we are investing because we believe the price will rise like we see now.
As more people will adopt the price will move up since the supply is limited in number, I like this investment as well as it's not controlled by
anyone and we are given the chance to trade due to its volatility.
The reason for difficulty in predicting the future price of bitcoin is its network-product nature. A network product increases in the logarithmic/exponential proportion. From graphical point of view if you are aware of the parabola graph then you could understand that working with bitcoin prediction is like predicting parabola. The parabola graphs are not easy to work with. Another example of network product is twitter, youtube, whatsapp, facebook, instagram etc etc. The users of these products increased rapidly after they reach the critical mass. Any video becoming viral is like network product result.
Coming back to the Bitcoin, being network product as more and more people start using it market capital will increase accordingly. There are some hedge funds which have made fortune with the investment in the bitcoin. One such example is Bill Miller whose hedge fund has 30% of investment in bitcoin alone. If others also follow this trend then how and when price will increase is beyond anybodies guess.
210  Economy / Economics / Re: Dollar Under Threat: China Readies Yuan Crude Oil Benchmark Backed By Gold on: October 31, 2017, 11:20:59 AM

The world’s top oil importer, China, is preparing to launch a crude oil futures contract denominated in Chinese yuan and convertible into gold, potentially creating the most important Asian oil benchmark and allowing oil exporters to bypass U.S.-dollar denominated benchmarks by trading in yuan.


Click here to watch this video:

https://goldsilvernews.blogspot.ca/2017/10/dollar-under-threat-china-readies-yuan.html

This is not the first time a country has tried to do such thing. It is worth noting that most of previous countries who tried to move away from the USD were "gifted democracy" from USA. Like Iraq, Libiya, Afganistan (reason different that Oil reserve) to name few. With China attempting to break the dominance of USD in oil market will be different though. First China is not as weak as other countries who tried to move away from the USD to oil. China is force to reckon with and it has one of largest military force along with nuclear weapons. This would be interesting to see how US govt react this time. Whether they will gift their version of democracy to China or what.
As Gold is being brought back in business that will add new boost and confidence for traders as well.
211  Economy / Economics / Re: Generating Passive Income on: October 31, 2017, 10:58:31 AM
You are right holding bitcoin is the easiest way for generating passive income but i dont think there will be other alt coin that can do that.
At the current rate of other coin is going on the market you may seem to profit but just a few dollars unlike just being focus on bitcoin.
I don't understand if someone is hodling the Bitcoin then how is a passive income generating from it. Passive income is something person gets on monthly, weekly basis without working actively for it. If you are hodling bitcoin for long then it is called as investment which will give you returns when you decide to sell them. Till that selling time, those bitcoins are not going to earn a penny for you. Their price or valuation will increase over the period of time. However increase of that price is not a passive income.  that In order to generate some income person need to cash out the profit without touching the base amount. Passive income is Like to put a house on rent to someone is passive income for landlord. Now compare the renting a house to holding bicoin, you are getting monthly rent on regular basis. However you are not getting any regular income from the bitcoin. Only benefit with hodling bitcoin is that in the long run the return will be huge.
212  Economy / Economics / Re: Why people scam on: October 31, 2017, 09:27:49 AM
People scam because they are in need an instant money. Or maybe because when they tried to deceive someone at first, they successfully tricked him, so that's why that they tried to scam for other people again.

People scam because they are the person who do not know how to work legally, those people should be put in jail and stop fooling people because it just a money. People should be more careful nowadays.
People who scam are aware of the laws and restriction. It is not that they dont know how to work legally. It is just that they want to make tons of money without working.Here we shall not discuss the people who scam others out of dire need of money (like life and death situation of their loved one and their intension is to return money in future). people who live their life by scamming other people are either too smart, think that they could fool other people all the time.
Bottom line is it is the greed combined intention to earn quick money enables people to scam others. Sometimes people scam other people without knowing that they are conning someone. That I mean kingpin brainwashes these people and convinces that their project is the path to prosperity. Soon these brainwashed people who are getting their cut/commission for every customer they get, self-assure themselves that they are on right path.
213  Economy / Economics / Re: Difference of Trading and Investing? on: October 31, 2017, 08:28:24 AM
Investing and trading are two different methods of attempting to profit. The goal of investing is to gradually build wealth over an extended period of time through the buying and holding of a portfolio of stocks and  other investment instruments. Trading, on the other hand, involves the more frequent buying and selling of stock, commodities, currency pairs or other instruments, with the goal of generating returns that outperform buy-and-hold investing.
Trading could be short term investment or it could be long term investment as well. Investment is very long term trade.  It is the frequency that matters and difference between investment and trading. Investment when done in something it is expected to have lock in period of at least five year or more. In certain situation this period is less as well. Investments done via mutual funds check and review their investment decision on yearly or bi-yearly basis. Based on the market mutual fund operator decides further action plan.
Trading is high frequency activity for which dedicate time is required. It is kind of full time job. For some invest two to three hours on trading on daily basis. Trading requires keen eye on the market movement, quick to respond ability.
Overall who have time and knack for picking up correct buy and sell order should seriously think about the trading.
214  Economy / Speculation / Re: Report: Bitcoin to $25,000 by 2022 on: October 31, 2017, 07:39:15 AM
Now, as for the future valuation, Tom Lee, Managing Partner of Fundstrat, put a $25,000 price target for Bitcoin by 2022 in a note to clients published earlier this year. However, and this is important, this view is predicated on cryptocurrencies displacing gold in portfolios with Bitcoin serving a “digital store of value.”

Why do cryptos have to displace gold for this to happen?  What if some really big investors/institutions (e.g., banks, hedge funds, etc.) get involved and start buying?  Tens or hundreds of millions of dollars of direct investment could take us a long way given the limited supply of bitcoins and how much people are hoarding them.
It is already happening with the bitcoin. At this stage bitcoin is new blooming market for the hedge fund and banks. As far hedge funds are concerned most famous are:
* Winklevoss ( this actually helped bitcoin price from 800 dollars to 1300 dollars last year)
* Bitcoin Investment Trust
* Global Advisors GABI fund
* Polychain
etc etc.

Leading investor from hedge fund Bill Miller has 30% investment in the bitcoin. And with the result obtained so far this will result in getting more and more amount from the investment portfolio in the bitcoin over the year.  Then there are other investor who will board the train on bitcoin investment. There being no restrictions on the bitcoin trade anything could happen that is drastic rise and drastic drop is bound to happen.
215  Economy / Economics / Re: Reliable comparison between mining vs. buying and holding on: October 31, 2017, 07:22:29 AM
I constantly hear people arguing for mining as opposed to buying and holding or vice versa as better investment strategy - is there any reliable source of information that compares the two over an extended period of time?
End goal of possessing the bitcoin at cost effective way has two main ways to achieve. One is mining and other is purchase-hold. Lets look at the mining and its cost:
* price of miner being used. Based on the which type of miner you are using price will vary.
* Electricity charges applicable in you area or area of interest (The area where you will set up the miner rig)
* Price for place of operation. Either place would be on Rent  thus rent on monthly basis or trimonthly basis.
* AC and or miner place maintenance

profitability of mining based on above factors could calculated fairly accurate with coinwarz calculator. Check following link for the calculation:

https://www.coinwarz.com/cryptocurrency

From a laymans point of view mining is a lot of hassle. For ease of possessing coins purchasing and holding is fairly easy. Above requires in depth knowledge of mining or at least some understanding along with previous experience in mining will be helpful.

If person is technical or is willing to go to great length then mining will be profitable. Or you should focus on purchasing on the coins from market.
216  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin: Exposed? on: October 30, 2017, 03:54:27 PM
A documentary here in the Philippines entitled: FAILON NGAYON have exposed Bitcoin as a type of scam.
It goes like this: a callcenter agent guy invested on one of the sh*tcoins here. He invested a fair amount of money into it as a promise projection of 50% gain for about 3 months. After 3 months have passed and he was about to withdrawn the money, support system from that UK based comoany was suddenly became unresponsive.
Financial analyst said that bitcoin is being used by some scammers to phish for money from users through untrusted sites.
I think that due to anonymity, it is very hard to track down those people who uses bitcoin for scamming.
For me, I think you just invest amount ofnmeny that you can afford to lose. Secondly, just transact with secured sites and not fall for get rich quick schemes because most likely thisnis a scam.
What are your thoughts on this?
This kind of propaganda could only be propagated by People/entities/govt who do not have any idea about the bitcoin in first place. First thing a person purchase bitcoin from exchange or other seller. Purchased coins should be stored in valet whose private keys are with you. There is no third party involved here. If you invest in shi**tcoin then it is your fault.
Next point is these kind of so called investments are offered by many companies about the bitcoin as well. The cloud mining is notorious for that. A guy named Amit Bhardwaj has been doing these kind of con work for few years now. Starting iwth cloud mining with 10% per month. This guy has launched a shi*t coin for paying investors. Now same person is running 'bitcoin growth fund'. There are other con-artist or scammers who collected bitcoin from people for lucrative return. Interesting they managed to do it from different coutry that too without visiting that place and via agents.
Thus these kind of documentaries are nonsensical and full of fake information. These kind of tactics were working 10 to 15 years earlier. Those times internet was not so popular as it is today. Today any fake info could go viral initial but it busts that fast as well.
217  Economy / Economics / Re: Investment amount on: October 30, 2017, 01:58:21 PM
How much would you make as first amount? I was thinking  £50 bit even if this times by even 10 that's only 500.

Would 300 be a more realistic start
Honestly if you are asking for investment in the bitcoin then majority of people from this forum will tell that put whatever you can risk. If you have already investmented in other tool then move that money into bitcoin. Whatever losses you may bear due to untimely moving out and plus expected profit will be covered over the period from the investment in bitcoin.  That is if you have invested 1000 dollars in mutual funds for future 10 years. Then get that money and put in bitcoin. no matter how much loss 20% or 30 percent you may have to bear  for moving from mutual fund. You will get those losses covered and expected benefit with two years.
 There is just no end to the kind of returns you could get with the bitcoin. Important point is to keep your investment steady and don't look for any short term losses as hindrance. Just invest as it suits you. Lump sum  amounts or short term amounts both work great.
From the people who have years of experience in the bitcoin will tell you that whatever you put in the bitcoin will give more returns almost within year or two compared to other conventional and nonconventional rules.
218  Economy / Economics / Re: Is time too late on: October 30, 2017, 01:01:30 PM
I don't believe it ever going to hit that price again.
Bitcoin support has been growing up significance at the last years, for bitcoin to be traded at 16$ the market cap will be 300M$, which is 350 times lower then now .

It will be possible only if another bitcoin fork will take the lead and people will move to other chain, which will make the current bitcoin worthless.

Bitcoin is a global phenomenon thus whatever progress is happening will happen across or its implication will be observed across the globe. When china was fading in bitcoin world Japan was emerging as next big player. People were saying bitcoin is falling because china is tightening grip on bitcon. Thus bitcoin will drop. However nothing such happend. bitcoin continued to grow.
Things like this have been proposed previously as well. Never such attempts succeed. Nobody knows what may happen with bitcoin prices. even with developers, investors and new people who are entering in the bitcoin and those who are not ready to enter in bitcoin are clueless about what is the next with bitcoin adoption. There are big whales from the established economy who want to enter and some who are about to enter. With entrance of the new major player in the bitcoin market resulting in more and more unpredictable.
219  Economy / Economics / Re: BITCOIN misconceptions on: October 30, 2017, 12:29:47 PM
I came across several threads on the forums about bitcoin as their source of income, people leaving their day jobs just to focus on campaigns here in the forum.

Why most of the people in the forum sees bitcoin as currency that you need to spend everyday?
You cant blame them. Campaigns here in forum is so promising that they can earn more than their day job offers. And most of the people in the community are freelancers that seeks job and will spend what they are earning here to sustain daily needs and house utilities.
Most users here, including myself is the kind that you are talking about. Currently, I earn through joining signature campaigns and so far, it had been a very great help not just for me, but for my family. I think earning here through sig campaigns is not a misconception but a benefit of joining bitcoin. In my case I am a stay at home mom, and I used bitcoin as a way to pay for our bills and other household expenses. I agree. You can't blame us. Smiley
For all those people who just say false things related to bitcoin, I have one piece of advice for them. It is better to experience and do some research of your own instead of just blindly trusting everyone. This world is full of deceptions and it is the reason why we must consider using our own brains as a serious obligation.Participating in a signature campaign is one of the best methods of earning bitcoin and far better than all field jobs.
Yes blind trust is so dangerous we should do some research on bit coin then we will be able to say something. You are also right that participation in bit coin signature campaigns is a good and easy way of earning money rather to go far from your kids and to follow the strict schedule over there.
That is correct and logical point. Putting too much trust or being over-confidence will always bring not so good results. One should always remain skeptic and ask questions. Many People have put blind faith in the bitcoin. It is the law of nature that initial growth period is dynamic compared to later part. Bitcoin is in dynamic phase.
However we need to understand one thing for sure and that is bitcoin is new concept first of its kind. Bitcoin is the first successful coin which proved that a decentralized payment system could work. Thus we donot know how to measure its performance and how it will evolve in future. This gives a lot of room for people to come with crazy theories about the growth of bitcoin.
220  Economy / Economics / Re: Can Bitcoin also lead to corruption ? on: October 30, 2017, 12:10:32 PM
Corruption exist in our daily life. But as to the opinion of most of the people, bitcoin could possibly lessen the corruption because money (maybe in some sort of salary or payment) can contribute to individual without having the third party, which corruption happens. Bitcoin can be used in scam rather in corruption due to its value, the attraction is always there. Still it depends how people will use it, people nowadays are very smart regarding in that matter ( even if it for the good or for their own greedy self).
Corruption is an act which happens to be the  tenancy of people who are too much greedy. Anything and I mean anything that has value attached to it could lead to the corruption. This mean dollars, gold, precious metals, foreign currencies etc etc are just means by which corruption is carried out. We need to understand the act of corruption is done first in order to amass the property.
Bitcoin is again mere mean using which you could hide your illegal property effectively.  So it is irresponsible to blame on the means of store to blame for cause of corruption.
Bitcoin has some properties which allows people or organization to move money more affectively using bitcoin that conventional tools or methods.
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