Show me some mining rig or miner tools that we can say that you are telling the truth .. This we can say that this is the same as scam because you are not reputative here.. in my advice its better to be a reputative here before you can doing business to others..
agreed, but just to add even without rep, being totally forward and honest helps. even without rep, showing you have collateral, abilities, skills helps even without rep, not sounding shady and asking to people to wait, while strangely your first action is to set up the payment method, way before anything else
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seeing as you want to learn a bit more of the inner workings of bitcoin via the console (things the GUI doesnt show) here is a list of commands you can use https://bitcoin.org/en/developer-reference#bitcoin-core-apiswith these commands you can learn about the nodes connected to you. you can get details about blocks and other transactions. you can manually make transactions or verify transactions(may help you learn more about it) after all the GUI only really displays transactions linked to your addresses. so there is a mountain of information you can gain from using the commands
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your idea is not new. its called cloud mining. you can wrap it up with colourful paper and tie it into a bow.. but essentially its just cloudmining..
if you want a honest opinion to know if you pursuing it is going to be beneficial then expect people to want to know who you are to know if you are the right person to do it. and to know if its a real business or just another rip off grab money quick scheme.
due dilegence = something everyone should be doing throwing money blindly = something no one should do. although you as a gambler still need to learn that lesson
what would be better is instead of telling people to shut up and pay up. with a "just wait to see what happens" shady reply a better idea would be to explain how your zero income can actually buy mining rigs while users funds are held in escrow. a better idea would be to explain how your zero income can actually repay the loan you mentioned within 2 months a better idea would be to explain how your zero knowledge of mining makes you worthy of managing a mining pool a better idea would be to explain how your zero control of your electricity costs is any better then anyone else running their own miner a better idea would be to explain how your zero storage/property makes you worthy of 'housing' peoples rigs instead of getting them delivered to their own location. a better idea would be to explain why you spent more time to set up an escrow aggreement then you did to learn about bitcoin. seems obvious what your more interested in getting out of the community
so instead of asking people to shut up and wait. atleast provide answers that can satisfy peoples questions, because without even offering valid answers to quash basic due diligence then there is no point even trying to start a business, this topic is afterall more then just a query.. its obviously an initial advertisment because you already set up the escrow agreement before anything
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ROFL Franky, you're telling me to learn about Bitcoin and integers (as applied to programming), after your ignorant outburst? Please
And your words betray you: you claimed not to support Hearn, and yet here you are saying his non-scaling plans were the only way to grow Bitcoin's throughput? The real scaling solution is in final testing stages. Your coup failed, a long time ago.
firstly going offtopic to answer the mis-informed altcoiner above who loves to derail topics. i have never been a gavin or hearne fanboy. i much prefered BU(you did too.. funny that.. even funnier is your favourite alt has the same scaling attributes you are trying to fight against bitcoin implementing) now then. the 2mb solution was not a hearn/gavin idea. it was a community idea that was an accceptable balance for growth while chilling out the cries of the misinformed "100gb blocks in a few months doomsday "armageddon"". i seen 2mb as an acceptable conclusion and compromise to the "armageddon" cries. neither due to hearn or gavin or anyone else.. it was just logic prevailing.
however the misinformed people (like yourself) had other plans. you want to centralize and destroy bitcoin to move everyone over to sidechains(altcoins). you were misinformed also because if everyone used the same 2mb rules there would be no controversy or control.. but instead you beleived by trying to cry that bitcoin-core should not move with the community they would dominate and control or they would lose control by going with community wishes. hello wake up. no one should have control.. your controversy that you and your friends started actually diluted growth descussions for the community and instead turned it into making blockstream paid employee's gaining power to control bitcoin more centrally..
as for the scaling solution lol the only plan you "beleive" is the one where your fearless leader Gmaxwell is going to opt that monero becomes the sidechain to be the "The real scaling solution"
and dont even try to make it sound like you are talking about segwit.. segwit is not a scaling solution.. its just a one time potential boost.. not an ongoing solution that scales.
and i still have not got an answer about your opinion of lukeJR releasing code to the real scaling solution.. which funnily enough is 2mb.. are you for it. or will you rekt him too
P.S: it made me laugh when you tried to defend the whole satoshi/bitcoin unit measure by talking about integers. i mean come on. even someone as naive as yourself must know that not only are integers not divisible, but you could not even argue your way to say that a bitcoin is the unit of measure. 1800000000000000 units =18mill bitcoin..(based on scenaro where 3mill coins are 'lost') add an extra 0 18000000000000000 units =180mill bitcoin..
now for the ontopic thing go on admit it you would love bitcoin to burn its coins so everyone uses monero. i know ur cohorts do. gmaxwell loves his monero. as do ur other friends.. kind of makes it obvious where you want bitcoins endgame to land. in my opinion burning coins for the sole purpose of locking people into a sidechain is bad. people are free to destroy their own funds by just deleting their keys or sending funds to known bitcoin burn addresses which have no keys for personal reasons.. but in no way should it be utilised as a tool to push people over to an altcoin, nor as a widely used thing to cause drastic loss of coins out of circulation, in a ploy to puersuade the community to agree to magically create 10x more coins later
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Franky, you're the one making mistakes.
There is no such thing as a Satoshi at the code level either, the balance attributable to a given public key is an unsigned 64-bit integer. Your favourite Bitcoin ideologue Mike Hearn was the first to suggest what Lauda is referring to.
the unit of measure starts at 1, when there are 100,000,000 of these units the GUI calls that allotment 'a bitcoin'. however the single unit is called a satoshi. at code level as you say is integer.. meaning there is no decimal. so there are no 0.XX of something, instead its multiples of something ..meaning. it starts at a satoshi and moves up.. but does not start at a bitcoin and move down. learn bitcoin learn integer have a nice day p.s i do not idolize hearne. its just your warped mindset that thinks anyone that wants bitcoin growth must be REKT. sorry but your days of controversy are nearly up. time for you to find a new hobby, maybe playing with monero would entertain you more. we know how you lot love your monero altcoin
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If that ends up not being enough, the developers could introduce an even smaller unit than a Satoshi.
please learn bitcoin.. at code level. there is no bitcoin, only satoshis.. its at GUI level that converts 100,000,000 sats into one bitcoin.. again for emphasis GUI level so if you were to make 1 sat turn into 10 sats by moving a decimal.. the reality is you are creating (imagining the 18mill coins after loss scenario) 180million bitcoins after all 100million of the smallest unit. doesnt make there be more fractions at code level, but makes more 'groupings' at code level, but is then just baited and switched at GUI level to hide the fact that there are now 10x more coins seems lauda's mindset is burn bitcoin to bait people to an altcoin. to then later magic up more bitcoin.. (facepalm)
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using proof of burn to cause a small drop in circulation is acceptable .. emphasis small drop.
but using it as a tool to convert someone over to a different cryptocurrency could kill bitcoin if everyone done it EG if someone wanted (madeupname) instantcoin because they were sick of waiting for confirms/increasing tx fee.. once they moved over to instant coins, they are stuck with it. they cannot burn the instantcoin to retrieve their old bitcoin in a swap, as those bitcoins are gone! forever!
anyone is free to throw away their coins but i do not suggest any dev's use burning coins as a method to hype up an sidechain(altcoin) they want to convert people over to.
anyone thinking the opposite should just go play with their altcoin and leave bitcoin alone. if you dont wanna keep bitcoin. maybe donate it to seans outpost or a charity
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It's the same with the GBP it was roughly 1GBP - 1.60USD just months ago but now since the brexit decision it is more like 1GBP - 1.30USD.
to me its a good thing. say i was selling a product for £100 and an american wanted 10 items (i want £1000) americans had to pay $1600 months ago. now they can buy it for $1300. ($300 left in their pocket, and i still get £1000) think of it this way take that same $1600 initial amount, it would get the american 12 items(2 items free compared to previous order of same cost) and i would get £1200 so its a win win for both sides.
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negative interest rates do not result in people spending more. it just results in them moving their funds to a different method of storage that wont charge them.
there is no rational reason why BoS would do this as it ultimately would lose them business. EG a deposit of £1m equates to a allocation of £10m that BoS can fractional reserve themselves. so while they hope to collect £40k if the depositor stays with them. but the reality is that the depositor will take out the £1m and go elsewhere and then BoS cannot loan out £10m which even at a standard mortgage rate of 5% would have yielded them £500k in interest
i feel something else is going on behind the scenes because if i can work out that charging someone £40k has a risk of losing £500k.. then they should too i feel something else is going on behind the scenes because BoS has said they want to stay in the EU. so making Euro holding depositors leave them is the opposite to wanting to stay involved in the EU.
either way its not going to be good for BoS and depositors will just move their funds out... .. which the op is presuming 'may' be into bitcoin.
personally i dont think there will be a big bitcoin buy-up due to BoS, but the news itself of stupid idea's banks come up with that have no rational reason, or proves that banks are bad.. can only be a good thing for real asset holders like bitcoin
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Well in the first place op really asked our opinion for the betterness i think?
it was more then just an opinion. he already 'negotiated' a deal with a escrower.. but surprisingly stayed quiet about his own expertise, experience, skills and ofcourse capital. so i just made the basic info people should know about a person more apparent by linking in the OP's quotes But yeah people do always wanted to have proof before they will believe because of past experience of course
agreed
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Just waiting until the project officially launches and seeing how the project is running, better let's shut up and let's see what the op's saying. Yes, its becoming our habit of claiming every thing to be a scam by its first look. I think unless you are a victim of scam, you should not shout of Scam. This is a good project and i am looking forward towards it. your opinion is wait to be scammed then call it a scam?? um no.. better to do due diligence. check out the person asking for funds. find out if they can personally afford the costs while your funds sit in escrow. look for signs they know what they are talking about, and find out as much as you can before doing anything else. never just throw funds at someone blindly to then, when scammed cry that you been scammed
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I wouldn't listen to this character either, it's (Franky) an active confidence trickster account, who heavily pushes cleverly contrived propaganda in support of the Fiat Banking Dev team coups led by Gavin Andresen and Mike Hearn.
Poisonous character, intent on ruining Bitcoin by building up your trust, then trying to encourage Bitcoin users to support foolish takeovers. Avoid.
(though off topic) did you spend your vacation thinking up how to throw another bitcoin dev (lukeJR) off the bitcoin bus, making him part of your REKT campaign to centralize bitcoin by making bitcoin owned by only one group of devs? throwing anyone off that dev group if they dont follow the blockstream plan? i see you disapeared for a while and avoided answering the question about your future tactics concerning lukeJR.. so i think its actually you that is causing propoganda to mess with bitcoin. so man up and answer.. will you realise that there is no controversy if a bitcoin-core dev has a version of bitcoin that allows real capacity increase. thus putting all implementations on an equal footing with no central control or push lukejr off the bitcoin bus with a rekt campaign to try keeping the controversy alive so that only one group owns bitcoin voting power of features? ill make it easy yet again 1. suport luke Jr's decision because he is a bitcoin-dev 2. rekt luke Jr because its not a blockstream plan just answer the question 1or 2.. or dont reply go play with your monero
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scam after reading the OPs post history. he still lives with parents and worries about electric. he does not even have 2btc (ill explain later) to his name. so even before anything he does not have any/enough hash power to start a new pool that will get some blocks (minimum 0.7% of network hashpower for a chance of 1 block a day) Buy or develop your own time machine and go back to 2008 and mine BTC on the computer at your mothers house in the basement
I prefer to Work hardIF I WAS ABLE TO mine BTC on the computer at my mothers house in the basement i would have taking the beating of my life because it makes a hell of nose and it increase the electricity billeven just 3 weeks ago he was penny pinching the faucet sites Please everyone, which site is the best Faucet site?
which shows he hold no real capital/assets. otherwise he would not need to spend hours to get 50cent a day of bitcoinby raiding faucets. general rule: people with a real life job to buy bitcoin or already holding bitcoin dont raid faucets. he has no money management skills at most he wants to take a loan out for 3Btc and pay that person back 4btc in 2 months.. he has no clue of return of investment timescales. and no clue of how much it will cost. i feel he wants to rob from the community to repay a 3BTC loan which he wasted on gambling. proof of loan and not understanding ROI from mining A friend of my want to give me 3BTC and he want me to pay him back 4BTC in 2month 7days but he asked me what will i do with it, how can i turn 3 bitcoin to 4 in 2 month 7days, what is the best investment that can give me good ROI in that short period
So please i ask for your advice
proof he doesnt know mining pools or set up costs I am thinking different investment to do with bitcoin than gambling and i want to ask what will it take me to start a bitcoin mining pool
Site Development Cost? Developers fee?
Please what are needed and what is the total money needed to start the development of the pool + maintenance?
how will i make my money back?
Is the to much to worry about?
proof he lost funds gambling and is trying to penny pinch, steal funds from community I registered on a site that plays dice ...... i played with all my money in just 10 second of playing that game my money vanished i fell from the chair i was siting to the ground i was not even able to see well for some time because of the shock
.... how much was the amount that you fell from the chair to the ground ?.... 2 BTCin short the OP is now pennyless and is trying to scheme money out of others. he does not even hold 2.7btc needed to buy a single antminer S9 think about it. if peoples funds are locked in escrow, how will he be able to buy the miner needed... do not fool(pun: fall, fool) for the OP's scheme.. its definetly a scam
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i never tell anyone exactly how many coins i have, nor do i expect anyone else to. though i have judged people if i see they are obvious altcoin fanboys and are doing their best to ruin bitcoin in favour of another coin.
but the way i see the OP's question, and my response to it is this.
how is the bitfinex hacker deemed more important part of bitcoin, then 110,000 people with just 1 bitcoin each? i feel no single voice should have power over thousands of people just because they are "rich" no single voice should have power over thousands of people just because they are hash-heavy no single voice should have power over thousands of people just because they are "the A team"
thinking that money=power is the failed mindset of fiat. lets not be sheep and bring those failures across to bitcoin
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these are my sentiments too, so easier to quote I would refuse to do any business at all with any online store that ran a signature campaign (just like I refuse to do any business at all with all businesses that run signature campaigns).
Hopefully, most intelligent people would take their bitcoins elsewhere and reward those businesses that don't pay people to spread nonsense all over the forum.
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guys, no one needs $1billlion to cause a price rise.
the easiest method is super cheap for people holding bitcoin. take your bitcoin out of exchanges.. then the supply of bitcoins will dry up meaning those wanting to buy bitcoin end up moving the price higher using less coin
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but I think that they have got any investor which invested there and those funds can cover the loss. I don't know what have they planned and how will they deal in the future, increasing the fees? or any other extra service which can generate income.
ive done some investing and in no way would any investor invest in anything that has stats to suggest 10 year break even. even if you have a percentage ownership/control of the company you are still hoping for positive returns within 2 years. or without controling interest (treating it more like a loan) then the sooner the better no one invests long term unless there is real (instant profit) collateral up for grabs that can be sold easily. EG banks do the magic money creation for a mortgage agreement at a real world cost of 5% and then charge the mortgagee 190% over 10-30years knowing the end result is 5% cost upfront with either a house to sell if they default or 190% if the mortgage pays off. win win.. a few years ago IT companies had 'offers' of upto 70x the businesses value.. but recently there has been a correction in that insanity (bar a few exceptions) if bitfinex was to offer me 50% control of bitfinex, id laugh at them. they are in no way worth $72million of any investors money. if anything $3million for 50% control would be a tempter. sorry but i just cannot see bitfinex getting bailed out by investors, or having the reserves to cover losses. the only scenario i see playing out is trying to settle the debt at pennies to the dollar
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seems the OP is starting to act a bit to much like 'bitcoinpro'. im guessing bitcoin pro bought another account 2 months ago, but hasnt changed his ranting tactics.. sorry bitcoinpro your game is up, you have been outed
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to me if state impose tax on bitcoin its mean that they have accepted bitcoin that will be really a good decision, and it must be in favour of bitcoin, through this bitcoin will become more popular in the people.
I think if bitcoin could be given tax Government must work extra hard because each person can have many addresses right ? so even though the government has know one of their address. they could make a manipulation. so that they will be spared from the tax? I think it will be difficult for the government to regulate this. not really. it doesnt matter where or how the funds are stored. if they want to tax you, they can. even if you put all of your families funds into a trust(multisig is bitcoin equivelent) or spread each families funds into 2000 different accounts(addresses) when you try spending them on real world items/property, your stung. then its up to you to investigate yourself or face a random large fine amount that they have pulled out of thin air. its how they work. if they see you are suppose to be pennyless but find out you drive a nice car. they then look at not only the car but everything. by charging a guy a few hundred dollars to visit you and take inventory of everything you own. and then put a magic number against it to say this must be your income to be able to afford these 'luxuries' .. they then add on the costs of this inventory gathering exercise and add that onto the bill you owe. you then have to prove the opposite by showing how you could legitimately get all of those 'luxuries', while they sit back and let you dig your own grave, or wait for you to cut them a cheque
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Control is very complicated word. Do they have power to manipulate, maybe yes? But total control is too different. And everyone knows chinese do not have total control.
no one was crying when america had over 70% of the network hash power, where only a couple years ago, it was either ATI(majority) or intel(minority) supplying that american demand. thats because the racial biased mindset imagines america as free independant people. but sees asians as all 1billion people stuck together working in just one sweatshop with a tyranical manager whipping them into action. (complete opposite of the reality in china) so to me the whole 'china is bad' mindset is actually racial not logical
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