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2061  Economy / Economics / Re: Is it better to save money or invest it? on: August 23, 2016, 01:42:32 PM
i think it would be good to save money and invest it to real investment or buy bitcoin.
i like real investment like buying new vga for mining altcoin, then i invest my bitcoin at cloud mining system.
in future i want to have 'real mining' so every one can growing his money in 'real system'

I'm not sure invest in cloud mining is profitable
I think is better to invest in altcoin or trade altcoin and get profit from them.

I have tried investing in cloud mining and it does not work for me, I was just scam by the site so I would suggest you stay away from that type of investment. Actually you can find a good investment here like investing in an online casino, but if you are in doubt holding your bitcoin is already a form of investment.

Cloudmining is just like a ponzi. Maybe you should build your mining rig and invest your btc on mining of your own. In that way you will surely profit. But always consider the power price rate to make sure you get profit.

And i highly recommend to hold your btc if you want a very safe investment. Just like what stated in my quoted statement.
Just stay away from mining if you do not have the capacity to do it, that is too ambitious goal for a new investor in the crypto world. We should stop from the basic and maybe trading or investing in bitcoin is a good option.
2062  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: People hate Bitcoins? on: August 23, 2016, 09:24:18 AM
People do hate because they have a bad experience about bitcoin but in my case I will never hate bitcoin because it has given me an opportunity to earn and my future is great because of bitcoin. It is risky for now since we are in the early phase but when this succeeds it is good to get the profit of our investment.

I have bad experience with bitcoin because I lost my money in HYIP and even in gambling but I forget the negative and I look for the positive things to happen into my life.

If you have lost in HYIP and gambling then that was your own mistake and you cannot blame or hate bitcoin for that, you should focus on positive sides of bitcoin and not negative.
Gambling is the first mistake that people commit. First, they lose money and then say that they hate bitcoin.

funny thing is that when people lose money with gambling when they use their fiat currency, then they don't blame fiat, but themselves or the casino instead. but with bitcoin, they hate it. that's something i find very weird.

Very rightly said, people are loosing even the investment made with fiat, but they forget everything and move ahead but with bitcoin they share different perception and starts blaming it if anything goes wrong.
it is the nature of humans that when they effect badly by something they start blaming it and when they again get some profit from the same thing they just start praising it, same is the case with bitcoin, when people book lose from bitcoin they blame it and consider it as a bad thing to trade and when after some time they get profit form bitcoin they again start using it and consider it as a good investment.
Yeah, but in overall, bitcoin is not worth hating for. It has a good benefits for its users and it will help the majority of people who are into online transaction to transact fast and benefits from the lower service fee or charges.
2063  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: What is your reason to gamble? Fun or profit? on: August 23, 2016, 09:20:49 AM
Your reason should never be to profit because thus you'll become a gambling addict. I know all of us who gamble from time to time are addicts in a way, but those who do it for fun only are not as addicted as those who want to make profit from it.

They do different in the way they aim on playing gambling and also they differ in their self control when  they play gambling but  the  result would be still the same on losing all your money in the end but the advantage of no aim of profit in the end  is you wont be hurt to much from your expectations and  you just enjoyed on what do you play.
I agree, playing without thinking of the profit will give you more happiness in gambling and you will not experience the stress in gambling. Stress will only come when you are betting the amount that you cannot afford to lose anymore and might lead you to addiction.
2064  Economy / Economics / Re: Best way for steady income on: August 23, 2016, 09:13:25 AM
if you talking of income outside the domain of bitcoins obvious you need to get a job but if it's on the forum I see loaning out BTC as a way to make you some money

Lending is bit risky as you don't know how genuine is a person you are dealing with, so its better to concentrate on signature campaign and by offering services from where you can expect guaranteed income.

signature campaign is good source to get some income for sidejob, the rate is very acceptable, i can use from signature campaign to paying my electric cost so i get full profit in mining Smiley

but for me campaign can't used as steady income, we must use other way for steady income

Anytime we could lose this income. We better be always ready for that and have looked for more while this job is still existing. We dont want to be idle in some time, that would be sad.

of course we can't use signature campaign as our focus, because we don't know when the campaign will be close, i think having real bussines is better than we focus at 'side job' like signature campaign.

Signature campaign can be said to be very good to get the initial capital where if you do not have the money and will do business or other ways. like I was in the beginning is always collect the result of a signature campaign, then use it for investment or grow with way of trading. but to this day I still use Signature campaign, because the income is very stable, is also worthy of being a side job, does not require much time.
Yeah, signature campaign is a good side job as you can learn while you learn but still we need to aim for a high generating job or investment. Trading could be a good job if we can make consistent money and we can use our income from signature campaign and start with just a small amount of money first.
2065  Economy / Economics / Re: How many Bitcoin do you have saved? on: August 22, 2016, 02:14:26 PM
I am envious right now.  I never have atleast one btc in my life!  And up until now I haven't save anything from bitcoins that I have earned.  I am using it to finance my daily expenditures that is why I have not save any. 

I also never had a complete bitcoin until now in my life but i never used them on my daily expenditures though i used to recharge my phone with them, but most of them were lost in scam sites when i did not know anything about them, so now when i know everything i'm just earning and accumulating and hoping to see 1 bitcoin in my wallet soon.

Whatever you are earning should be saved for the future without investing it anywhere online, as there are full chances that you will be scammed in long run as there are no more legit sites available whom you can trust.
Investing is never a bad idea as that is way to showcase your support for the community, we should show debt of gratitude to bitcoin as we are earning here and it is just right to return some of the favor but just invest what you can afford to lose to be safe.

Investing is obviously not a bad idea if you have enough coins and a trusted place to invest like altcoin trading, i would surely like to invest in altcoin trading once i reach a good enough capital for that, right now i dont have enough bitcoin to start trading as i might not be able to earn good profits with what i have now.

You can always start with small amount in trading as if you invest high amount and if your decision goes wrong then you can also go through huge losses.
Save slowly but regularly until your reach your goal, you are the only one who can answer how much you need to save as we have different standard in life and it varies from what country you are living and how big is your family.
2066  Other / Off-topic / Re: What to do with my signature campaign earnings ? on: August 22, 2016, 02:10:09 PM

For me my idea if you want to be a boss in the future better to save it never spend it just hold it.. and wait for the price to high and sell it. after that buy again bitcoin the price of bitcoin is low.. repeat the procedure and you will make a profit.

Holding is a good way to harvest your holdings in the future. But you must have another way of earning with bitcoins so that while waiting for your saved bitcoin. It is better if you are going to have career in trading, you just need to have enough knowledge first there and you need to study about the background in trading so that you are going to have good profit there.
Exactly because you cannot just hold all the time and there is no guarantee that you will earn profit in the long run, the possibility is big for you to earn but every investment has its own risk. It is just right to some short term investment and long term investment to minimize the the risk or if you could do trading with your earnings the better.
2067  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: People hate Bitcoins? on: August 22, 2016, 02:06:25 PM
People do hate because they have a bad experience about bitcoin but in my case I will never hate bitcoin because it has given me an opportunity to earn and my future is great because of bitcoin. It is risky for now since we are in the early phase but when this succeeds it is good to get the profit of our investment.

I have bad experience with bitcoin because I lost my money in HYIP and even in gambling but I forget the negative and I look for the positive things to happen into my life.

If you have lost in HYIP and gambling then that was your own mistake and you cannot blame or hate bitcoin for that, you should focus on positive sides of bitcoin and not negative.
Gambling is the first mistake that people commit. First, they lose money and then say that they hate bitcoin.
That's fine because bitcoin cannot please everyone, as long as there are many supporters that its haters it would be fine as we are still gonna grow as a community and we will witness the success of bitcoin.
2068  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: is gambling fix your life? or wreck your life? on: August 22, 2016, 02:03:30 PM
I'm not a pro gambler. I gave up every site after playing a few times and ended up in losses. For me, gambling won't fix my life. If you other suggestion, let me know I'm interested.
i think we should not play gambling for fixing our life, nor we should think that gambling will wreck our life, to me we should only play it for for spending a good time, and for that purpose we need to play in a panned manner, we should not play gambling without any planing,
The safest way to play gambling is to not think of the above mentioned two possible outcome, gambling is a pure fun so it should not affect our life in a hard way, we can live of course even without gambling so it would simply say that it would not fix nor wreck our life.
2069  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: What is your gambling strategy on: August 22, 2016, 02:00:52 PM
My gambling strategy is to gamble the bitcoin only in sports betting and try to avoid the dice games, roulette or any other casino games because chances of winning is highest in the sports betting where we not only dependent on our luch,where as in games like dice there is totally luck involved in it.
That's a good choice as I believe we have more chance to win in sports betting rather than in dice games, dice games are only good if you are playing for fun but if you like to make money and gain some advantage sports betting is the answer, proper handicapping can be learn so it is easy.
2070  Economy / Economics / Re: The future of the paper money on: August 22, 2016, 01:52:55 PM
I'm going to ask you the question in reverse. If I give you two choices : holding a fortune of 1 million dollars in paper money in your house, or 1 million dollars in gold in your house, what do you choose ? You can't invest or anything like that, just hold it.

Your dilemma is meaningless (like choosing an integer number between 2 and 3). Money is only a handy intermediary in the exchange of goods and services (one should never forget that). It doesn't have value of its own (digital money as the most extreme example), apart from the transactional utility only. So if I had to keep 1M dollars and couldn't spend it, that would be basically equal to having no money at all. The situation with gold is essentially the same, though (unless you are a gold bug or just like the shine of the metal, indeed). But if I could spend both the gold (sell it) and the money, I would indeed go for 1M dollars...

Since with money I can buy anything (including gold) while I would have to first sell gold to get the same 1M dollars as money

I didn't mean that you can never spend it, but let's say you need to hold it for 10 years. Do you think the dollar will be worth the same thing in 10 years ? With inflation at 2%, you would lose 18% of your holdings in dollars.

This doesn't add to your question any more meaning, since money is made to be spent, not to be saved, as I have already said. In fact, I don't know how much gold will cost in dollar terms in 10 years (and no one knows), so it may happen that it will cost even less than it does now. But it is ultimately irrelevant since your reasoning still doesn't allow to distinguish in any meaningful ("fundamental") way the paper money backed up by the merchants, which are ready to accept it as a means of payment, from the paper money allegedly backed up by gold, while in fact backed up by nothing but a promise of the state (since that was the original claim)...

Which the state can abandon just like that, without much ado and beating about the bush (as I have also shown)
All paper money is the currency of all nations. Each of them is interested in the high course of their money. And how do you imagine that they will give it all for the sake of bitcoin? Never.

I don't imagine that. Out of curiosity, what made you think so, apart from just replying to a post which seems to have some sense attached to it?

Bitcoin or no Bitcoin, we are all going more and more digital
I have to respect both bitcoin and paper money because they are both good and it gives the comfort for the people to spend their money. In the future we might go fully digital but I would say that not all people in the globe can adopt totally.
2071  Economy / Economics / Re: I'm not gonna sell any coin. on: August 22, 2016, 01:48:33 PM
Don't invest blindly in any altcoin  check out the volume and if you find descent volume then you can afford to invest your money into but invest only for short term.
Yup , check the volume and do a short term trading ,really help you for getting profit on trading . Or you can ask someone for help you to analyze this also you can join trading discussion in this forum , you can get lot of informations in here.

That is going to be a good thing if you are going to join and discuss with the trading experts so that you are going to be guided if you are going to know where you are going to trade and you are not going to sell any of your coin. But make sure that you are going to know of until when you are going to hold your bitcoin.
That is like in gambling when you are not too confident with your prediction all you have to do is to tail with the experts, they know what is going to happen and they can predict the right movement most of the time so you just follow and you will just sit and relax.
2072  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Is their any safe methods to gamble? on: August 22, 2016, 12:53:38 PM
There is no safe method. That said you can try betting a small amount but you will lose in the end. Its the casino owners who make a profit and the players are the losers.
If gambling was a safe method to earn money then people would not study hard and get jobs to earn money.
You have a point in that ,gambling have no safe method but there's a strategy like martingle in Bitcoin Dice gambling its works but not all.

Yes gambling is not safe because we could also suffer a defeat. but there are many strategies, including what you are talking about. In addition we also have to restrict the bets and have control in order not to become addicted.

 
martingale strategy in Bitcoin Dice gambling not 100% safe and it also has its own risk. I think the best method of safe gamble is quit as soon as you get profit and dont risk the next chance.
Also gamble with your profits and keep the original amount intact.

Martingale is like the only strategy really. Almost everyone uses it. It doesn't work. Just leave when you make profit. Eventually it is inevitable to fave a loss no matter how much money you have eventually will will face massive bets to recover the past losses.

Why.it doeant work? I think it works but you just need to modify it, for long run every startegy that you have will never work because they have house edge. You can use martingale but you really need to manage on how much base bet that you need to play if you have particular balance so I think every startegy will work but you cant do it for a long run

It is mathematically possible if you have an infinite bankroll. Which none of us does and hence at some point of time you will keep losing so much that all your bankroll will get burned. Don't think that you can make profits with gambling using strategies - in the end the House always wins and hence no strategy works. Think of it this way - the casino owners are running a business, if some strategy can make them go bankrupt then the casinos would not exist anymore but that is not happening - now its upto you if you wish to use a strategy to gamble or not to gamble at all.
Majority of use here who gambles does not have a decent bankroll that's why we can easily lose our money. When you have a decent bankroll you will be afraid to chase because in your mind, all you need to do is just to make the right guess many times so you will be profitable. And if anyone has an unlimited bankroll then there is no sense why he is still in gambling.
2073  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Everyone looses in the long run on: August 22, 2016, 12:50:53 PM
Yeah, loss of self control is an action that will not make us win or are having good luck. because when we lose control so all we do will certainly be considered something that is true. control yourself and make a plan that fairly steady while doing gambling
Just always never break the rule of "Never go beyond the amount you can bear to lose" and you will do good at most of the times. People always lose in the long run whenever they break this simple rule because of their greed. But silly mistakes might lead to big losses which may go beyond affordable limit. Being careful in not viable for all the gamblers at all the time.

Yup.. and not only the losses. If you win $1, you would think it's not that much and you want to get $1 more. And when you get $2 you want $4 and so on. It looks easy. It even is easy, but.. as easy as it is to loose that amount.
I would admit that I am a big loser and I lose because I do not have a very good bankroll that would enable me to withstand big losing streak during gambling session so that is true, we all lose in the long run.
If so, I am also a looser because I think I have lost not just in long but even in short term gambling, like for example when I gamble for a day that is short term right ? then also i badly loose and end up dumping all my money. I always try to resist myself but always fail, though I love the enjoyment it gives me.
I think the topic would like to imply that even though we are winning sometimes or having a positive record in gambling, we still lose if we continue to gamble. That is because the house are the edge and in the long run we will be beaten by that house edge.
2074  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: LUCK!!! :) How does it feels? on: August 22, 2016, 12:43:24 PM
I'm always looking for it to happen in my life. But still, I see in dictionaries and from other people. I didn't meet the word in reality.

Then i guess you better start realizing  that one.  If i were you start saving your money and work hard then let the success be the one to describe  your luck

If you addicted or want riches then just stop gambling all together or ga!ble fpr very small amount. You will have much more money that way. Or rather work for the casino if you really can't stay away.
Gambling is not the solution to be rich, it is just a pure entertainment presented to us so we can sometimes unwind and relax doing gambling. This should not be abuse as it could give us big problem in the future if we are too attach with gambling.
Absolutely because if you will see it as a solution later on that will become you big problem. It is hard to accept that we have no chance in gambling but that is the reality and we have no choice but to accept to minimize our loses otherwise we will continue to gamble until we become bankrupt.
2075  Other / Off-topic / Re: du you spend coins on real life. on: August 22, 2016, 12:37:05 PM
Absolutely yes, here in my country there are selected stores and hotels accepting bitcoin and also booking of flights they also accepts bitcoin that is why all users here in my country 100% sure that they already used bitcoin in their real life.
I cannot  believe that, that's how big the adopters in your country? 100% means all the population in your country are using bitcoin which is impossible since not all are capable of operating bitcoin unless all the population in the are are computer literate people.
That's too much numbers in a certain country, I really like that to happen but it is still good to be realistic for now. Bitcoin will have a good potential in the future and we easily spend our bitcoins anytime anywhere but we need to work in the present, support bitcoin all the time.
2076  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: What is your reason to gamble? Fun or profit? on: August 22, 2016, 12:33:11 PM
Don't do it very often, but the dice games kind of take on a life of their own after a while.  Start out trying to have some fun, then it becomes about making, then about not losing,  all my money.  I don't think gambling should be all about making money.   Go to medical or law school if you want to do that.
Yes gambling is not at all about money, but to participate into gambling we must need some money. After that, the thoughts of recovering the money we needed to start gambling or multiplaying that are some reasons for the disasters in gambling. We need to forget about making money from gambling, if we still need that then we must go to some other place not into gambling.
Well, that's the problem of a certain gambler anymore if he will not manage himself well in gambling. We know that gambling is a dangerous game that is why it is only restricted for matured people to participate so if we do the wrong move we will lose and that is the reality we need to accept.
2077  Economy / Speculation / Re: bitcoin continuous rising? on: August 22, 2016, 12:30:25 PM
We can't tell that it's always going to rise-there are times when bitcoin's price is stable and not rising and overall anything can happen really-it's price can go really up and reach $3000.We can't be sure at all.

Yeah I think that is the meaning of being a volatile. If there will be a game here of guessing the exact price there wont be an exact winner. It is will most likely guess the wrong figure because of the way its price moves so deep or so high.
That is correct no one knows what will happen the price every day but this time price of bitcoin is quietly stable and this will be good for the trader because took the advantage of price of alt coin which is the price are base on the bitcoin price.
Not all altcoins price are base on bitcoin, because there are some altcoins that even if the value of bitcoin is dropping their price increases, so that would prove they are not correlated with the price movement. You can earn money in altcoins if you will invest in the early phase.
2078  Other / Off-topic / Re: Will you quit your day job to go full time on bitcoin? on: August 22, 2016, 12:23:52 PM
I wouldn't go full time on bitcoin but surely I would spend a lot of my time with it.

Yes definitely I wold do the same thing.  I would not quit my job as it gives me the assurance of having money to finance our daily needs.  But, like what you have said, I will use all my extra time to earn more bitcoins as it will gives me additional income.  It is hard to give up just like that your job.  You could do it if you already have a huge amount of bitcoin in your wallet.
yeah right what you say I think although earnings remain bitcoin more but I think you also need a real job that gives you real income or directly anyway. I would not go out of my job. but I will use my bitcoin as extra income. it was very beneficial for me

Majority of people will follow the same, as if you have a good job paying you a good amount of salary then there is no point in quitting it for bitcoins, smart way is to earn from both of them.
However, your earnings will only be limited here in bitcoin as you surely you will focus more on your job, and since our day job are so tiring especially when the demand of the boss is very high, we might lose our chance to earn more money online. So it is a matter of balancing things our or choose what is more important to you.
2079  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: How to play gambling in a smart way? on: August 22, 2016, 12:17:40 PM
There is not smart method to gamble. Only smart method to gamble is not to gamble. If you are addicted to gambling  then do so with a responsible mind. Gamble only that money which you are willing to lose. Don't gamble your property and make sure to cut down on it slowly.
if someone think that gamble on limited amount to lost are their best smart way to gamble then it is fine they are free to call it as a smart way , people just need to aware that gambling are not a good habit.

so is it smart to do something not good in most people opinion? just think by yourself Wink
It is never a smart way because we are losing our money in gambling but as human we need to enjoy sometimes and what would you do with your money if you cannot enjoy it, if you have a lot of money and you like gambling then I think that is just fair to have fun sometimes.
2080  Economy / Economics / Re: How to save money. on: August 22, 2016, 12:14:28 PM
Saving money is very essential when we talk about future use.  This stuff can save us from tight situation  in the future.  There are lots of method how to save money but the simplest is to make it a habbit.  Making a habbit to save 5% to 10% of your income will give you a great result after 5 to 10 years of doing it

Correct, it does not matter how much you were able to save but when you practice to save you start with a little amount so you will not be disappointed easily when you failed at first, but when you succeed you start increasing your savings until you achieve the right amount at your comfort.
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