Typing something as Truth does not make it so. Especially when up against the array of evidence, means and motive to the contrary. Not forgetting Zhou's prime bullshit storytelling.
BB.
This applies to you as well. Need I point out again the array of evidence that Zhou did not steal the funds? Please do! All the evidence points to Zhou stealing the funds. Even Zhou himself validated the evidence by saying it was correct but he was framed. Zhou never provided any evidence this "friend" even existed. All he did was say it.  You're just one of those people who believes everything they are told.  Time to go to church, Mr gullible! |
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Truth 6: I didn't steal the money.
ZT stole 20k of bitcoins
At least Zhou is providing information. What are you doing other than frothing? I can do whatever I want - I didn't steal coins from the community. |
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Funds have been stolen? They have been in some sort of safe deposit at ZT, and now they are on their way to the creditors. All is fine.
Not quite. ZT stole 20k of bitcoins - only 15k have been recovered. What happened to the other 5k? Are we giving them to ZT as a thank you gift? |
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It's unlikely that there's going to be an issue regarding him receiving or holding the funds in trust. Where an issue potentially arises is the transferring of the funds to someone else and I'm sure that Patrick's going to do everything possible to protect himself from any potential liability in that respect.
As an interesting side note, if a NZ entity becomes insolvent and a creditor helps secure assets or uncover hidden ones, the creditor's costs associated with securing those assets become a preferential debt.
Patrick is probably getting paid for "helping" us, and each time he comes to the forum to answer questions, he bills for his time. He'll take his fees out of the balance the users get. |
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LOL - that's awesome! The ideas some people come up with! Luckily, you need to have at least some bitcoins to use this scam, so hopefully these people will know how Bitcoin works and not fall for it. |
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Apparently there are quite a few guys, like mlawrence, out there, that would love to see the pay back fail. One should really start to wonder why that is...
That's nonsense, but wonder away if you wish! |
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Well, I think you confuse something here. The consultancy kept our funds for a few months, doing basically nothing. Then ZT stepped up and refunded some 5kBTC. Now within days he made more funds available. In my point of view, ZT is the only one that does actually pay back something. If some BitBuster was repaid from this consultancy - fine, however, for all of us still waiting, ZT seems the only one that does not hide behind some delay tactics. Hell, I think, ZT should, if he can, hack the current account of this lame consultancy, so that the funds can be repaid.
I think it is you who are confused. Ryan Zhou was the one that "hacked" into the site in the first place, stole the coins and destroyed the database. It is because the database was destroyed that they are having a hard time paying people back. ZT can't be praised for anything, because he alone willfully caused this mess. |
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Is this yet another delaying tactic by Zhou or a means of keeping the dogs at bay ("dont kill me now, I can get the rest of the money")?
This is how I see it. He figures the longer he can stall, the more people will forget and less likely he will be held accountable for theft. |
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That's quite a leap of faith - it says NOWHERE on his profile he is a lawyer.The closest he came was working for two years at a law firm as an attorney - which is simply another name for agent or proxy. He's not a lawyer - just a glorified legal secretary. He has a JD, I dont know if he passed bar or not. edit: I cannot find him the WA's bar list: http://www.mywsba.orgThats because he is a member of the Washington DC bar http://www.dcbar.org/find_a_member/index.cfm -Charlie Well then, I stand corrected! |
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That's quite a leap of faith - it says NOWHERE on his profile he is a lawyer.The closest he came was working for two years at a law firm as an attorney - which is simply another name for agent or proxy. He's not a lawyer - just a glorified legal secretary. |
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Sorry, my interest in this whole bitcoinica shitstorm waned a few weeks ago. Will somebody tl;dr what's been going on lately for me? Or even more to the point, just answer whether the likelihood of me getting my bitcoins back has gone up or down given the events of the past week.
ZhouTong was the hacker who stole all the coins. All the evidence pointed to him, so he could do nothing but make up an imaginary "friend" who he says framed him, but of course he won't provide ANY evidence of this person. Now the community wants to play nice with him to get the money back, THEN we are going to see he rots in jail. Some people on this forum believe him, oddly, but he probably won't convince the police of an invisible person when they come a knocking. So Zhou posts like he is innocent, and we post like we believe him. |
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And the story continues...
The peter griffin avatar suits you really well. Thanks! I do like licking the boobies! |
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It doesn't fit in my thinking at all. So the screenshot is either fake, or taken by someone who has actually dealt with Chen Jianhai.
And the story continues... |
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"We" means community?
Who is short $42,000? The thief is never "short" of any money. It must be Bitcoinica customers.
Do you think this community is going to forget that you spent $42,000 of their money? I would suggest (not that you follow them) that you sell some of your assets and pay it back in FULL. Edit: You actually spent more than $42k on your trips and whatever, but you are lucky the price of bitcoins has climbed so much... |
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Just because you started a thread does not mean you should have control over when other people must stop talking in it. That's not how discussions work face to face and it's not how it ought to work here. JMHO.
Perhaps an exception should be made when a person posts a thread in an appropriate specific subforum about their own Bitcoin business, but certianly not for general discussion about things like 'bitcoin users should never call the police'.
Start a second thread with "continued" in the title and finish the discussion there... |
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Reason why people don't call the cops:
1) They are actually the ones that committed the crime
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Any reasonable person would call the police if something was stolen from them.
All evidence points towards Zhou Tong stealing from Bitcoinica. He claims to have his identity stolen, and he says he was framed. Yet he has not called the police... hmmmmm
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Innocent people will fight and fight and fight to defend their name. That's why the police ask you the same questions over and over - they know that if you are guilty, you will eventually give up and admit it. There is psychology behind this, but I was unable to Google the correct term to find it - maybe someone else will have more luck?
Now let's look at Zhou - he made up his big story and when no one (save for an ignorant few) believed it, he quickly stopped posting. Didn't try to defend himself at all.
Does anyone know his real name yet?
He's definitely still fighting, so this point isn't helping your case. Check his post history. My case is tight as it is, thank you. He started posting again 10 minutes after I wrote this. |
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Gather ALL Funds you told us you are able to recover in ONE address - thats YOUR part of the Deal.
The Bitcoinica problem will be resolved independently from the hack issue.
So do YOUR part!
No, not all the funds he is able to recover - ALL THE FUNDS HE STOLE. It doesn't matter if he has to sell a house at a loss - he paid for the house with stolen money. Do you think bitcoin users are willing to donate a large percentage of their money to support his family? |
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