That's quite a leap of faith - it says NOWHERE on his profile he is a lawyer.The closest he came was working for two years at a law firm as an attorney - which is simply another name for agent or proxy. He's not a lawyer - just a glorified legal secretary. |
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Sorry, my interest in this whole bitcoinica shitstorm waned a few weeks ago. Will somebody tl;dr what's been going on lately for me? Or even more to the point, just answer whether the likelihood of me getting my bitcoins back has gone up or down given the events of the past week.
ZhouTong was the hacker who stole all the coins. All the evidence pointed to him, so he could do nothing but make up an imaginary "friend" who he says framed him, but of course he won't provide ANY evidence of this person.  Now the community wants to play nice with him to get the money back, THEN we are going to see he rots in jail. Some people on this forum believe him, oddly, but he probably won't convince the police of an invisible person when they come a knocking. So Zhou posts like he is innocent, and we post like we believe him.  |
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And the story continues...
The peter griffin avatar suits you really well. Thanks! I do like licking the boobies! |
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It doesn't fit in my thinking at all. So the screenshot is either fake, or taken by someone who has actually dealt with Chen Jianhai.
And the story continues... |
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"We" means community?
Who is short $42,000? The thief is never "short" of any money. It must be Bitcoinica customers.
Do you think this community is going to forget that you spent $42,000 of their money? I would suggest (not that you follow them) that you sell some of your assets and pay it back in FULL. Edit: You actually spent more than $42k on your trips and whatever, but you are lucky the price of bitcoins has climbed so much... |
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Just because you started a thread does not mean you should have control over when other people must stop talking in it. That's not how discussions work face to face and it's not how it ought to work here. JMHO.
Perhaps an exception should be made when a person posts a thread in an appropriate specific subforum about their own Bitcoin business, but certianly not for general discussion about things like 'bitcoin users should never call the police'.
Start a second thread with "continued" in the title and finish the discussion there... |
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Reason why people don't call the cops:
1) They are actually the ones that committed the crime
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Any reasonable person would call the police if something was stolen from them.
All evidence points towards Zhou Tong stealing from Bitcoinica. He claims to have his identity stolen, and he says he was framed. Yet he has not called the police... hmmmmm
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Innocent people will fight and fight and fight to defend their name. That's why the police ask you the same questions over and over - they know that if you are guilty, you will eventually give up and admit it. There is psychology behind this, but I was unable to Google the correct term to find it - maybe someone else will have more luck?
Now let's look at Zhou - he made up his big story and when no one (save for an ignorant few) believed it, he quickly stopped posting. Didn't try to defend himself at all.
Does anyone know his real name yet?
He's definitely still fighting, so this point isn't helping your case. Check his post history. My case is tight as it is, thank you. He started posting again 10 minutes after I wrote this. |
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Gather ALL Funds you told us you are able to recover in ONE address - thats YOUR part of the Deal.
The Bitcoinica problem will be resolved independently from the hack issue.
So do YOUR part!
No, not all the funds he is able to recover - ALL THE FUNDS HE STOLE. It doesn't matter if he has to sell a house at a loss - he paid for the house with stolen money. Do you think bitcoin users are willing to donate a large percentage of their money to support his family? |
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Bitcoinica has delayed over $700,000 in refunds for more than 75 days, and they are completely responsible for processing the claims.
Right now this issue is put on hold by them as well, because only Bitcoinica has the power to demand returning the funds from Chen Jianhai. I'm willing to provide his contact information to Bitcoinica or act as an intermediary.
If Bitcoinica refuses to take actions, no matter how much progress we make in investigation, the funds will never be returned to rightful owners.
Here I recommend anyone with significant stake to consider taking legal action against Bitcoinica LP, Bitcoinica Consultancy Ltd and Bitcoin Consultancy Ltd to make returning of the funds possible. Alternatively, the creditors can force Bitcoinica into legal liquidation process so that the management can be replaced by someone else.
Ummm, you stole the money from Bitcoinica! HOW are they supposed to pay it back? I didn't. They should at least make attempt to recover the funds, or start liquidation process, or start police investigation. But they have done absolutely nothing. Bitcoinica only owes me about $1,000, and I don't have to sue them. You did. You are a thief and a liar. |
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Bitcoinica has delayed over $700,000 in refunds for more than 75 days, and they are completely responsible for processing the claims.
Right now this issue is put on hold by them as well, because only Bitcoinica has the power to demand returning the funds from Chen Jianhai. I'm willing to provide his contact information to Bitcoinica or act as an intermediary.
If Bitcoinica refuses to take actions, no matter how much progress we make in investigation, the funds will never be returned to rightful owners.
Here I recommend anyone with significant stake to consider taking legal action against Bitcoinica LP, Bitcoinica Consultancy Ltd and Bitcoin Consultancy Ltd to make returning of the funds possible. Alternatively, the creditors can force Bitcoinica into legal liquidation process so that the management can be replaced by someone else.
Ummm, you stole the money from Bitcoinica! HOW are they supposed to pay it back? |
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Innocent people will fight and fight and fight to defend their name. That's why the police ask you the same questions over and over - they know that if you are guilty, you will eventually give up and admit it. There is psychology behind this, but I was unable to Google the correct term to find it - maybe someone else will have more luck?
Now let's look at Zhou - he made up his big story and when no one (save for an ignorant few) believed it, he quickly stopped posting. Didn't try to defend himself at all.
Does anyone know his real name yet?
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zhou, you should find a lawyer and stop talking. even if you're innocent (which i'm assuming you are), its ALWAYS best to say nothing and let your lawyer(s) speak on your behalf.
He's not going to get a lawyer... what would he say? "Uh, I stole a shitload of money and spent it, now they found out it was me and they want it back. Help me."?? |
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Honestly if the money is forthcoming, I do not care who stole it.
The money is not forthcoming - the majority has already been spent by the thief paying off his families mortgages. His words, not mine. |
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Anyway, I need to know Zhou Tong's real name. Does anyone have that?
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So we just let a 17 year old kid steal $500,000 from us and do nothing?
Kids don't bear responsibility for their deeds. That's not true. In a deliberate and planned theft of half a million dollars, he would be charged as an adult and probably spend 2-5 years in prison. |
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Just take a lessons out of it. Reenforce exchange websites security and behave in a more prudent way.
Shit happens, learn from it and be stronger.
That's it.
So we just let a 17 year old kid steal $500,000 from us and do nothing? All that does is encourage others to steal, since there are no repercussions. |
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So....
Will we see further payouts? And if yes, when?
Right now Zhou Tong is watching what kind of reaction the community will have to his theft. If it turns out he is charged or beaten up, he may give back some of the money - but he has already spent the majority of it on personal debts, such as mortgages for his family. He could at least start to gather all available funds in one address (so we can see what is there) and hand it over to Bitconica as soon as they figured out their responsibilities. Why? Are those the actions of a dishonorable thief? |
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So....
Will we see further payouts? And if yes, when?
Right now Zhou Tong is watching what kind of reaction the community will have to his theft. If it turns out he is charged or beaten up, he may give back some of the money - but he has already spent the majority of it on personal debts, such as mortgages for his family. |
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