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2081  Economy / Economics / Re: Deflationary national currency, pros and cons on: August 03, 2014, 03:06:25 PM

Coming back to the video --- how is it possible that taxing gets harder if a currency is a bit deflationary?

Why shouldn't people get richer with the money they hold? Why is this bad thing anyway? If the government holds the very same deflationary currency then all taxes it ever gathered will also gain value, thus there is no reason to tax the additional wealth people get thanks to deflation.

We just have to remember that there are other taxes apart from income tax.
In a deflationary scenario, even if the rich are getting richer, wealth taxes can make tax collection look simple.

And of course, you could have inheritance tax so that after a few generations, there is nothing left in the hands of the original descendants.
2082  Local / India / Re: Approximate number of bitcoin owners in India on: August 03, 2014, 02:58:00 PM
I plan to download a pirated ebook once this releases, just to see what is in it.  Grin
2083  Local / India / Re: [ANN] Secret Bitcoin Project has been unvieled as Stellar on: August 03, 2014, 12:57:59 PM

K soooo...... You get them for free, they cannot be Mined, and if you send 1000 someone will send you 2000?
Why would this be worth anything if everyone gets it for free?
"Theres a limited amount and you can trade it for stuff like btc or usd"
Frankly I don't agree, I see no reason why someone would trade something hard-earned for something given away for free

It seems to me like nothing more than a Pyramid Scheme
"SELLING 50K STELLARS"
"Nah, I've got 2mil, SELLING 2MIL STELLARS!"
"Nah I've got 3mil, "SELLING 3MIL!!"

Theres no value in it when you get it for free from a few mouse clicks

Seems like some people are willing to buy stellars.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=722649.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=722496.0


2084  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Yet another protest "Save Our Savers" - Inflation is destroying your savings. on: August 03, 2014, 12:48:07 PM
Fucking noobs, why aren't they protesting the central bank itself? Oh wait, they don't know anything about the economy, like most protesters.

They just protest, and hope the 'appropriate' authorities take action.  Tongue
2085  Economy / Economics / Re: Dollar coming to an end on: August 03, 2014, 12:44:58 PM
There are more and more econmists that warns about possible collapse of dollar, and it looks like american economy doesnt have very bright future... also it seems like Russia with China and India, would be more than happy if dollar colapse, and it looks like they already strated doing some steps to help with it.

They have started taking steps to reduce dependence on the dollar.
Looking at the amount of dollars they hold, it would be a disaster for them if the dollar collapses overnight.
2086  Economy / Economics / Re: Is Argentina the cyprus of 2014? on: August 03, 2014, 12:42:20 PM
This is about Argentina defaulting on its bonds.  Bonds are denominated in USD so they can't print pesos to get out of mess.   Not comparable to Cyprus situation.  Cypriots bought bitcoin because imposed bank holiday

Stop thinking everything is good for bitcoin.  LOL  Roll Eyes

If Argentinians could buy USD, they would.
Depends on whether BTC is easier to lay hands on, or USD.
In the end, it could be good for bitcoin.
2087  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Buying BTC with an invoice on: August 03, 2014, 10:13:40 AM
Can you describe what is the overall goal of it? Maybe your issue could be addressed by another approach

Looks like the OP's reasons were different, but an invoice could help satisfy the tax department about how much money you made through bitcoin trading.
2088  Economy / Economics / Re: Is 1 bitcoin a decent and good investment? on: August 03, 2014, 10:03:18 AM
Essentially said "Uncle" will be rewarded when/if Bitcoin hits $1 trillion capitalization.

There's a realistic chance of it happening but no guarantee yet.  It would be nice to see Dot.com styled money ($7 trillion in the late 1990s) but there's no signs of that happening yet.

Hard to say what's going to happen with crypto currencies.  It's the uncomfortable truth but maybe the concept is good but the deliverance is bad.  Don't forget that Ripple came before Bitcoin and went no where and still hasn't go anywhere (if you took away the 97% premine Ripple is worth very little).  The myspace comparisons could be correct in that Bitcoin could be replaced by an unforeseen alternate which is better at advertising or is more accessible to use.

Yikes, people didn't lose money when myspace lost out to facebook.
There will be a lot of people who will see their dreams dashed if some altcoin emerges as the bitcoin-killer.
2089  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin is a hot target for criminals and money launderers. on: August 03, 2014, 09:59:17 AM
Byrne has long complained about investors using various loopholes in the financial markets to improperly boost profits at the expense of public companies and the overall economy—with Overstock even going so far as to sue some of the biggest names on Wall Street

http://www.wired.com/2014/07/overstock-and-cryptocurrency/
2090  Local / India / Re: Approximate number of bitcoin owners in India on: August 03, 2014, 09:56:21 AM
Feel pity for him, and his book.
No wonder he portrayed bitcoin as a villain in his book :p

It might just turn out to be a best-seller.
No correlation between content and number of copies sold.
I am sure our Bollywood stars would agree.  Wink
2091  Economy / Economics / Re: Is there room for a State Run Cryptocurrency? on: August 03, 2014, 09:54:24 AM
The FDIC should prevent bank-runs. The reason the FDIC would run out of money would be because insurance premiums would not cover losses.

A bitcoin bank run would be instantaneous.  Cheesy
2092  Economy / Economics / Re: Loans in BTC on: August 03, 2014, 09:53:25 AM

Both sides of balance sheet is expanded.   Read this article it explains more correctly than the posters here

http://www.cnbc.com/id/100497710

Aah... Thought so.
Many people have misunderstood the leveraging bit.
2093  Economy / Economics / Re: Do Buybacks Obsolete Dividends under current Tax Code? on: August 03, 2014, 09:49:57 AM
This is not true. The present value of cash today is higher then the present value of cash tomorrow. A dividend allows a shareholder to receive cash today while still owning the same percentage of the company. A share buyback allows a shareholder to give up future cash flow in exchange for cash today.

What you mean is the present value of 'x' units of cash today is higher than the present value of 'x' units of cash tomorrow.
If you look at pure IRR, dividends and share buybacks are exactly the same. It is only taxes which make one form more efficient than the other.
2094  Economy / Marketplace / Re: i'm glad there are so many scams and frauds on: August 03, 2014, 05:44:40 AM
There are lot scams and frauds
But, usually people know difference scams / not

Currently Blockchain.info estimates USD transaction volume at $40M daily. Are there any statistic regarding total fraud in Bitcoin transactions?

there aren't any fraud statistic. but usually very small amount

If you include losses due to hacking, a couple of large transactions can really skew the total amount.  Smiley

You can find a list of major hacks and scams in the thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=576337 (Last updated: June 27, 2014).
There are at least 10 incidents of ≥10000 btc loss and at least 18 incidents of ≥1000 btc loss.

That throws the 'small amount' argument out of the window.
2095  Economy / Economics / Re: Do Buybacks Obsolete Dividends under current Tax Code? on: August 03, 2014, 05:22:25 AM
Actually its a terrible point for reasons I just finished explaining.

Say you hold $11 in stocks today.
Or you hold $10 in stocks + $1 in dividends.

The NPV of BOTH THESE ITEMS is the same, even though the $1 in stocks is in stocks not cash. Why? Because if the NPV of that $1 worth of stock wasn't $1, then it wouldn't trade for $1. Yes, the NpV of $1 today is worth more than $1 tomorrow, but the NPV of $1 today and $1 in stocks today IS the same (primarily because you could just liquidate the stock if you really wanted to.

Agree. A dividend is a way of 'forcing' a stockholder to convert a portion of his holding into cash. A buyback gives him the option of doing so, if he so desires.
2096  Economy / Economics / Re: Loans in BTC on: August 03, 2014, 05:19:02 AM
Incorrect.

If that were true we wouldn't have such an extreme increase in the money supply, national debt, and inflation. The way the Fed and banks in the US works is this:

Person A deposits 100. The bank then creates on book 900 to use for loans and credit=1000 Bam, money created out of thin air.

The banks do this for every deposit that is made, and new money is created "on book" for the additional 9/10s of the fractional reserve rule. This is what results in the highly compounding increase in the money supply. In reality, the actual physical money supply that exists couldn't even pay off the interest on the outstanding national debt.

From an accounting point of view, if they create 1000 loans for every 100 deposit, what is the liability corresponding to the loan of 1000 (which appears on the asset side)?
2097  Economy / Economics / Re: Fiat banking in Portugal worsens on: August 03, 2014, 05:15:21 AM
This kind of arrangement is very risky, and is not guaranteed for Portugal. There are obviously limits as to how much the ECB will be willing to print in order to bail out a specific country. It should be noted that printing money will result in inflation that will affect countries that were not bailed out.

Sure it will result in inflation.
But not printing money will result in quick collapse of the banking system, because failed banks' shares and bonds are other banks' assets, the entire banking system is interconnected.
So it's either quick death or slow blood shed in the form of printing money and resulting inflation. The past history shows that in almost 100% of similar situations the slow blood shed was chosen, no reason to expect otherwise this time.

There is a chance that other European countries will not take kindly to printing more Euros and the resulting inflation.
2098  Economy / Economics / Re: Is Argentina the cyprus of 2014? on: August 03, 2014, 05:08:03 AM
Why Argentina’s Debt Default is an Opportunity for Bitcoin

http://www.coindesk.com/argentinas-debt-default-good-bitcoin/
2099  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Easiest Way to send and purchase bitcoin, fast! on: August 03, 2014, 04:57:51 AM
The title should read ' Easiest way to lose bitcoins'
2100  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: What are the best bitcoin faucets? on: August 03, 2014, 04:54:46 AM
Faucets are too slow to be worth it.
Yes now they are going down very quickly because many peoples avoiding them some even not like to hear about them

Yes, going down because there are better alternatives.
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