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2081  Economy / Reputation / Re: whywefight give us negative feedback !! why ?! on: April 02, 2016, 06:28:59 PM
Can his earnings not come from the faucet?

He didnt advertise, he reviewed

He is a paid shill

but this just a review for coin generator and i get some BTC for that

When you praise something and add to its credibility in exchange for payment, you must expect a negative reaction if it scams.
2082  Other / Meta / Re: Public list of yobit spammers(this one's gonna be long boys) on: April 02, 2016, 04:29:05 PM
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=782897

200 one/two liners in two weeks. Multilingual too.
2083  Economy / Speculation / Re: MMM affect uᴉoɔʇᴉq price on: April 01, 2016, 08:31:32 PM

Tired of them giving lousy argument, everyone here only thinking  MMM is just a little piece of shit scam without analyzing how big MMM is. Just give them a descriptive word that will draw on their mind how big MMM is. Maybe they will realize.

The idea of a scam possibly being a reason for bitcoin's popularity (and price) makes people uncomfortable.

Let's try this...most functions of MMMGlobal are accessed thru mmmoffice.com, it's the log in page.

In February 2016 it had 8,500,000 visits and is in the top 5000 visited sites in the world, according to SimilarWeb




Or, to put it another way, nearly twice the number of visits of our beloved centre of the BitUniverse (and mmmoffice.com has no signature campaign spammers)...  Wink

2084  Economy / Speculation / Re: MMM affect uᴉoɔʇᴉq price on: April 01, 2016, 08:45:43 AM

first of all, each and every one of these numbers in all the posts are being made out of nowhere and pure speculation. so there is no proof of such big numbers.

also, all these scams have a cap that when they reach it they close the scam and run away. if it was 2 or 200 million users, it would mean a massive amount of investment and no scammer is going to wait around for more, they close shop and run away already.

Sure, because of the nature of Bitcoin most attempts to quantify or analyse usage is based on limited data.
There is little doubt, if you do a bit of research and accept certain things at face value, that MMMGobal has a large user base.
Also, MMM isn't your average two bit scam, it has a track record in fiat of massive numbers, is run by experienced admin and has had a new lease of life courtesy of bitcoin.
You are guessing, just like we are, what the "runaway" number is.
To just say "it's a scam" and ignore it as a driver behind Bitcoin use and its price is a bit short sighted imo.

BTW, is 'bitcoin' reading upside down for you too? Must be April....  Cheesy
2085  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Bitfury: "16nm... sales to public start shortly" on: March 31, 2016, 07:45:22 PM
Whatever is happening with these elusive chips, it doesn't appear to be having much of a positive effect on Bitfury's mining. I see they are down to around 5% of total hashrate today.
Even if you include the MLM BitClub Network who claim
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"BCN are the only people in the world with Bitfury chips, buying all they can produce."
it's still only barely 10% in total.
Chinese pools now account for more than 80% of the total, nothing to worry about.........
2086  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: ▁ ▂ ▄ ▅ ▆ Cloudmining 101 (ponzi risk assessment) ▆ ▅ ▄ ▂ ▁ on: March 31, 2016, 12:02:27 PM
OXBTC..com manages a maximum 8/8, just like their predecessors Zeus and Halley.
2087  Other / Meta / Re: Public list of yobit spammers(this one's gonna be long boys) on: March 31, 2016, 10:23:50 AM
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=110724

100 posts of shit in a week since he bought it.
2088  Economy / Investor-based games / Re: Shareholder.company smart investment choices on: March 31, 2016, 10:07:33 AM
snip<wall of meaningless text>

This sort of crap has been around for years, has nothing to do with Bitcoin, just that using it makes the scammers job a bit easier.

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you receive 1% - 1.7% of pure income daily upon the purchase of assets in the Shipbuilding sector. 30 – 51% per month. 

Do you actually believe that?
2089  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: The Most Cost-efficient Cloud Mining Contract on: March 31, 2016, 09:34:02 AM
Just tested the speed of withdrawal , pretty fast Cheesy

A newbie vouching for a 'cloud mining' site......
 Roll Eyes
Screenshots, or you're a shill.
I see your future, I see red.....
2090  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: The Most Cost-efficient Cloud Mining Contract on: March 31, 2016, 09:31:36 AM

I reckon you score 8/8 on this test, just like Halley and Zeus did. Well done!  Cheesy

Criteria to help you spot a cloud mining scam/ponzi.

1) No public mining address / no user selectable pool.
A cloud mining company that wont let you direct the hashrate to your pool of choosing and cant prove its actually mining bitcoins itself, is very likely a scam. There is no reason to hide mining address or not sign blocks. None.

2) No endorsement from any asic vendor
Asic vendors will gladly make a simple post to show the company in question is a significant customer of theirs. Its free advertisement for them and it helps their customer grow their business, so there is absolutely no reason they wouldnt. If a (cloud) mining company cant get any asic vendor to post such endorsement, you should assume they dont have any hardware to mine with.

3) No relevant pictures of their hardware and datacenter
There is no reason not to provide such pictures, except of course, if there is nothing to take pictures off. Mind you: pictures can be faked. Picture dont prove current ownership. So like all criteria listed here, by themselves they are by far insufficient proof.

4) Open ended IPO / fractional reverse mining risk
Unless the cloud mining is operated by the asic vendor himself, you can not sell an unlimited amount of hashrate. Hardware takes (usually a long) time to order, arrive and deploy. Any company that doesnt limit sales or make public how much hashrate they sold vs what they have (provably) deployed should be considered  suspicious.

5) Referral programs and social networking
Referral programs, especially ones that pay almost 10%, are a huge red flag. The mining market is cut throat with razor thin margins. No real company can afford to pay 10% referrals on below market cloudmining prices. Referral programs almost always serve only to feed the ponzi and provide financial incentive to posters to lie about the true nature of the company. Never trust anyone with a referral link in their sig.

6) Anonymous operators
If the operators are hiding behind whoisguard, provide no provable identity and especially when, like in some cloudmining cases, they use demonstrably false ID or company registration information, you have to be nuts to trust them with your money.

7) No exit strategy
If you cant sell your position, you cant get your money out. Thats the ideal case for a ponzi and allows it to run for a  long time.

8 ) Bonus point for "guaranteed profit"
So far, Ive only seen bitcoinmaker.ch do this. If anyone guarantees you a bitcoin denominated profit, and especially a 30+% one, you can be sure its a ponzi, all the other criteria become unimportant. There is no such thing as certain profit when it comes to mining, no one knows how the network will evolve, or what btc exchange rate will do. If anyone could somehow be certain of making a 30% profit, they wouldnt need your money (and they wouldnt give the profit to you).
2091  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin could consume as much electricity as Denmark by 2020 on: March 30, 2016, 09:36:50 PM
I think it is highly irresponsible of the Danes to use as much electricity as Bitcoin.
I am sending an e mail to the United Nations right now.
2092  Economy / Lending / Re: Offering Loan up to 25 Bitcoin on: March 30, 2016, 09:05:09 PM
i need the followings :

Passport scan + utility bill scan  + selfie of you holding the passport

Please send docs  here : austin9hess99@hotmail.com






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WE DECLINE ALL RESPONSABILITY IF YOU USES THESE METHODS TO SCAM PEOPLE OR FRAUDS .  IF YOU DO IT = AT LEAST BUY A TUTORIAL  TO BE TOTALY ANONYMOUS
Contact us : support@myriadbay.com 

Good place to send your ID to.  Cheesy
2093  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Bitfury: "16nm... sales to public start shortly" on: March 30, 2016, 09:17:16 AM

Well.. I know for 100% now that I will lose this bet.

What bet do you think you'd win now, punin, the 1st of what month?
2094  Economy / Investor-based games / Re: CryptoProfit - Up to 225% Returns - 10% Affiliate Payout on: March 29, 2016, 08:44:27 PM
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CryptoProf uses automatic trading techniques in order to generate revenue promised to users while maintaining a stable profit for investors. Currencies are traded 24 hours a day, 7 days a wake with automatic bots using techniques developed by a professional and experience team of brokers and traders in the field of crypto currency.
 

HAHAHAHA


2095  Economy / Services / Re: Need someone here who is great in english grammar on: March 25, 2016, 06:41:39 PM
How much will you charge to help me right out my business plan, please send your offer

*write*
 Wink
2096  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: ▁ ▂ ▄ ▅ ▆ Cloudmining 101 (ponzi risk assessment) ▆ ▅ ▄ ▂ ▁ on: March 24, 2016, 09:17:18 PM
Bitcoremining dot com. 7/7.
2097  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: BitCore - Affordable Bitcoin Cloud Mining on: March 24, 2016, 09:13:51 PM
1000% Bullshit.

GTFO.

You did set a record though, first time I've seen scammers spell "mining" in three different ways.
2098  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: New mining hardware on: March 24, 2016, 06:17:49 PM
Large miners sell their BTC because they have to pay the bills in USD.

I see this said a lot. Is there any basis for it?
What USD bills do large Chinese miners have to pay?

Fine then CNY. The point is they pay bills in fiat not BTC.

As for what bills they pay that should be obvious. Companies producing Asics sink millions of fiat into development and production costs to pay whatever foundry produces the chips. Individual miners buy them in fiat most of the time as well. And of course there is always electricity. I've not heard of a single electric company taking payments in BTC yet. Not to mention rent payments wherever they're leasing warehouse space and of course internet costs. All of that paid in fiat not BTC.

I understand that the Chinese miners have bills to pay, just like the rest of us.
I am just querying the widespread assumption that as soon as they discover a block they immediately fiat it thru necessity. Bitcoin mining in China seems to be pretty much independent of the West, so why do we assume their costs are equivalent and price them in $?
Chips from Hong Kong, local labor prices for assembly, hydro power with very low real estate costs adjacent, no currency conversion, little shipping cost.
All adds up to very low overhead to pay.

Streng from Genesis Mining said that mining one Bitcoin in Iceland cost them $60 in electricity and $128 in other fixed costs.
Iceland, despite its cheap power, is one of the most expensive places in Europe. How about if the Chinese pay domestically half that for power and 20% of staffing and other costs?
If their total costs are $60 a coin and they can control the market price because of their size, why should they dump as they mine?
That's very short term thinking and not a particularly Chinese attitude or a very sensible one.
If, in the real world, you had an highly productive, very low cost gold mine would you sell everything you dug up straight away? I don't think so.
All this is pure speculation of course, it's just that basing any theory about price on an unproven assumption about the Chinese is dangerous and misleading.
2099  Economy / Investor-based games / Re: I'd like everybody's opinion on this... on: March 23, 2016, 10:40:47 PM
A ponzi is a scam.
The operator knows that the core business (if there is one) cannot make enough to keep the ROI promises made to attract funds, so he uses new investors money to pay older ones, telling them that it is operating profit. Depending on the structure, this can last for a long time (see Madoff) and involve huge amounts. People will lose money because they have been lied to. The lie makes the ponzi makes the scam.

These "last one in loses" games played here are not scams in the same way, if the admin make it clear that is the basis of playing, but they can never be regarded as 'legit' because it cannot be proved that the admin isn't also playing nor is there is an equivalent to "provably fair" like dice sites.

Any venture in Bitcoin where you send money in the hope of getting it all/more back is vulnerable to scam should the admin run off as soon as his target has been reached, it doesn't have to have a ponzi structure.

Tl,dr: All ponzis are scams, but not all scams are ponzis.



With regard to your "Honest Bitcoin" site which has attracted negative trust, there is no way that you can prove the early deposits in each round are not your own, especially as you are in charge of the reset time. "Approximately 10pm EST" is bullshit and worth the negative trust on its own, as is

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POINT C: Due to finite funds, later deposits run the risk of not receiving a payout

Not true, try:
 
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FACT. Due to finite funds, the majority of players will lose money. The ones that do make money could be mine because I control the clock.
2100  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: New mining hardware on: March 23, 2016, 10:20:54 PM
Large miners sell their BTC because they have to pay the bills in USD.

I see this said a lot. Is there any basis for it?
What USD bills do large Chinese miners have to pay?
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