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2081  Local / Altcoins (Bahasa Indonesia) / Re: Bounty sebagai pekerjaan utama? on: August 06, 2022, 08:49:20 AM
~ Snip~ Cara terbaik memang menghindari daripada mempersulit kita di jauh hari.
Setuju, mencegah lebih baik daripada mengobati. Bm punya sudut pandang sendiri dalam menilai terhadap user yang sudah ditandai Negatif Trust, seperti dalam salah satu campaign yang dikelola Hhampuz, sampai sekarang masih ada beberapa user yang dipertahankan meski sudah di tag Negatif.

Mengenai kasus di 1xBit saya pikir berbeda dengan Campaign paid BTC lain, dari awal sudah ditag negatif (Scammer) oleh user lain dan bayak tuduhan tegatif terhadap situsnya. User yang bergabung disana rata-rata sudah pernah ditag negatif dengan berbagai tuduhan, mungkin mereka berpikir kapan lagi bisa bergabung dengan campaign paid BTC dengan akun Red Trus,  meski sudah tahu resikonya akan berjambah jumlah trust, mereka seolah tak peduli. Saya pikir ex peserta 1xBit akan sulit dapat tembus ke campaign bayaran BTC lain dengan jumlah trus rata-rata diatas tiga.
2082  Local / Altcoins (Bahasa Indonesia) / Re: [TANYA] kembali terjun ke bounty on: August 06, 2022, 08:27:19 AM
Tidak ada istilahnya fokus mengerjakan dua hal sekaligus, kalau mau fokus berarti kerjakan satu hal saja.
Yang Om maksud diatas ada benarnya, tapi tidak salah juga mengerjakan dua hal sekaligus, lagian kalau dilihat untuk membuat laporan bounty tidak memakan waktu lama kok. Istilahnya sambil nyelam minum air, meski hasilnya receh namun dapat mendorong Newbie lebih fokus naikin rank karena semakin tinggi peringkat akun semakin besar juga bayarannya, apalagi sudah diterima di campaign paid BTC.



Rugi gan, dapatnya cuman receh tapi reputasi akun kurang bagus. Kalau saya, lebih milih sabar dulu dan memprioritaskan untuk naik level akun. Dengan banyaknya post weekly report bounty sosmed, bisa jadi ada akun senior yang kurang tertarik memberikan merit. Lagipula, kadang-kadang mulai ada bounty sosmed yang tidak memperkenankan akun newbie bergabung. Jadi apa salahnya untuk fokus membangun akun dulu karena kesempatan untuk mendapatkan bounty yang lebih bagus jika akun kita bisa rank up setidaknya ke rank member dulu.
Reputasi akun kurang bagus karena penuh dengan laporan mingguan.?
Kan gak tiap hari buat laporannya, selebihnya bisa berkarya dengan Post berkualitas untuk naikin rank. Nilai plus kontributor atau merit source letaknya bukan pada riwayat post yang penuh dengan laporan bounty,  tapi lebih pada karyanya yang diaplikasikan lewan posting berkualitas dan informatif. Saya yakin, kalau agan menemukan Newbie yang dapat memberikan edukasi pada user lain pasti akan menghargainya meski riwayat postnya penuh dengan laporan bounty.
2083  Local / Altcoins (Bahasa Indonesia) / Re: [TANYA] kembali terjun ke bounty on: August 05, 2022, 11:55:02 AM
Saya sudah skip dengan bounty sosmed dan semua bounty selain signature dengan kewajiban harus membuat minimal 5 laporan di tread bounty yang bersangkutan tiap minggunya, bener kata mas @taufik123 dengan ikut bounty sosmed membuat akun kita penuh dengan postingan laporan tiap harinya, apalagi jika aktif ikut ambil bagian dalam 10 jenis bounty sosmed otomatis akan membuat 10 postingan tiap minggunya untuk laporan mingguan. Hasil jauh sama sekali tidak sebanding dengan apa yang kita dapatkan, paling besar bounty sosmed reward saat ini dibawah 10$ kadang ada yang $5 dengan durasi bounty berjalan lebih dari 5 minggu.
Saya juga tidak pernah ikut bounty sosmed karena buat post laporan tiap minggu. Saya juga merasa post laporan weekly tersebut hanya membuat post history menjadi terlihat kurang nyaman. Selain itu, bayaran dari bounty sosmed umumnya sangat receh, tidak sebanding dengan usahanya. Lebih baik fokus untuk ikut campaign signature saja, terutama yang paid BTC. Bayaran per minggunya sudah jelas dan jauh lebih worth dibanding ikut bounty sosmed. Ngapain kita membuang-buang waktu ikut bounty sosmed jika ada pilihan ikut campaign signature dengan bayaran pasti.
Bagi user yang sudah dapat memasang kode signature mungkin akan memilih skip untuk bounty sosmed, salah satu alasannya mungkin karena hasilnya yang receh. Tapi bagi user yang belum punya pilihan seperti Newbie tidak akan melewatkan peluang bergabung di sosmed campaign, mereka akan terus bekerja mencapai target mingguan meski riwayat postnya penuh dengan laporan mingguan.
Kalau dibilang buang-buang waktu juga tidak tepat mas, seperti yang sudah saya jelaskan diatas, mereka tidak punya pilihan, mau tidak mau sosmed campaign harus mereka garap sambil fokus naikin rank.
2084  Local / Altcoins (Bahasa Indonesia) / Re: Bounty sebagai pekerjaan utama? on: August 03, 2022, 08:51:50 AM
hanya bouny dengan bayaran bitcoin dan juga stabil koin yang terjamin stabil hasil yang bakal di dapat peserta ketika reward di bagikan
Stabil sih stabil, tapi kalau ngikut bounty-nya scam atau mempromosikan signature gambling yg ditag scammer oleh orang sini, ane rasa enggak baik juga. Walau rewardnya besar dan bayarannya terjamin, tapi memang ya sekali lagi yang bermain di sini adalah perasaan orang yang discammer oleh kerjaan yang kita promosikan. apa lagi rela akunnya kena tag demi cuma bayaran puluhan dollar perweek.
Itu sih lebih pada pilihan masing-masing Om, beliau sudah mempertimbangkan resiko mempromosikan Signature yang dilarang di forum pasti reputasi akun akan hancur akibat mempromosikan sesuatu yang dilarang. Sementara selama signature masih berjalan akan terlihat aman-aman saja, setelah BM mengumumkan Signature Ended siapa yang mau mempekerjakan user yang reputasi sudah tercemar, pada Bounty yang terindikasi scamp pun menolak mempekerjakan user yang sudah ditusuk dengan tinta merah.
2085  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2022/23 on: August 02, 2022, 06:54:17 PM
Everything is so, except that Chelsea did not make an official offer and everything remained at the level of discussion. Today I read in the news that Barcelona management told Xavi to put pressure on De Jong (promising him to have very little playing time) to leave the club. What a disgrace. "More than a club"  Grin

Barcelona has not any other alternative now. They are in a financial crisis. The cost of the squad must now be reduced. de Jong was asked to cut wages. Perhaps de Jong is not interested in cutting wages. So he was offered to leave the club. But de Jong is not willing to leave the club. What steps can Barcelona take to deal with the financial crisis now?
De Jong does not want to go (permanently) to another club and does not want his salary cut, in a situation like this, Barcelona can take a middle step (loan De Jong to another club). During his loan period, De Jong will receive a salary from his new club, so Barcelona's expenses will be reduced. But until now there has been no latest development, whether De Jong remains with Barcelona or it is Barcelona who brought De Jong out of Camp Nou to reduce the club's salary burden.
2086  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: [diskusi] Bagaimana Cara Mengatur Waktumu di Forum? on: August 02, 2022, 05:32:45 PM
Waktu buat post paling enak/nyaman jika mood sedang bagus (dan saya kira mood ini bisa dirangsang dengan melakukan aktifitas/hobi atau melihat/mendengar sesuatu yang bisa membuat pikiran tenang dan nyaman).
Ane setuju, Mood juga berperan penting, kalau ane kalau dapat mood bagus walau sedang ada kerjaan, akan ane usahakan untuk menulisnya terlebih dahulu dulu di note HP sehingga ketika ada waktu berforum hanya dikembangkan saja catatan yang telas ditulis sebelumnya.
Benar, kalau Mood lagi bagus-bagusnya topik apapun yang dilihat langsung dapat ide membuat posting. namun kalau sebaliknya, mau dipaksakan pun tetap gak bisa, ujung-ujungnya malah berantakan jadinya. Pengalaman ane kalo lagi gak Mood, langsung Off dari forum untuk sementara waktu, ane mencoba duduk sebentar sambil nonton vidio lucu atau mendengar musik favorit yang dapat membuat otak segar kembali, setelah itu langsung dapat ide untuk melanjutkan aktivitas forum.
2087  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: [CHART] Tampilan Bulanan Aktivitas Lokal Board Bahasa Indonesia on: August 02, 2022, 05:21:10 PM
Yang paling mempengaruhi activity di local board ya udah pasti requirements dari signature campaign
seumpamanya posting di local board ndak di hitung, saya yakin activity di local board bakal menurun (semoga saya salah) :v
Setelah update terbaru dari campaign BK8, sepertinya hitung-hitungan post aktivity di lokal board bakalan semakin rendah lagi bulan depan. Semisal ada limit mungkin dampaknya tidak terlalu banyak, tapi kalau total tidak dihitung lagi maka pastinya akan ada banyak penurunannya mengingat beberapa pengguna lokal ada di campaign itu.

Bakal kehilangan beberapa poster lagi sepertinya.

Update!
Starting week 20, posts on local boards won't count anymore
Saya juga melihat ada indikasi penurunan jumlah posting di board lokal setelah BM mengumumkan Update terbaru, hari ini saya tidak melihat user di campaign BK8 membuat posting di SFI, mungkin karena aturan terbaru postingan di papan lokal tidak dihitung lagi.
Dampaknya pasti ada, namun kembali lagi pada user masing-masing, mau tetap eksis di lokal meski tidak include lokal atau hanya mengejar target saja di board yang masuk dalam hitungan mingguan.
2088  Local / Altcoins (Bahasa Indonesia) / Re: [Info][News] Exchange Crypto on: August 02, 2022, 05:03:12 PM
Kalau Indodax saya rasa berbeda dan tidak sama sistem penarikan dengan Tokocrypto, ada batas nominalnya dengan biaya penarikan sebesar Rp 12.500 dan apabila melakukan penarikan dengan jumlah diatas ketentuan akan dikenakan biaya penarikan dalam bentuk persenanan. Mungkin sedikit lebih bagus dengan penarikan di tokocrypto karena berapapun jumlah penarikan, tetap biaya atau fee cuman Rp 10.000 saja.
Setahu ane biaya penarikan untuk 12,500 itu berlaku jika penarikan di bawah 100 Juta, entah kalau di atas itu, ane belum nemu infonya, bisa jadi 2 x lipat atau tergantung persen jumlah penarikan.
Kalau info mengenai ini, ane kira sudah lama bukan hal yang baru seperti fee penarikan 10 ribu kemaren. Atau memang ada perubahan?, karena kalau dibanding dengan Indodax, limit penarikan tokocrypto jauh lebih besar dari Indodax (2 BTC) jika dibandingkan KYC level-nya.
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Bisa jadi pihak indodax menghitung fee penarikan tergantung persen jumlah penarikan, kemaren ane mencoba melakukan withdrawal dengan nominal dibawah 2jt, jumlah fee yang dipotong mencapai Rp13.500. Jika dilihat dari angka yang dipotong untuk fee penarikan, kemungkinan pihak indodax memotong fee penarikan tergantung persen jumlah penarikan, kalau untuk jumlah besar seperti yang yang disebut di atas belum ada info berapa nominal yang di potong.
2089  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: August 01, 2022, 08:39:47 PM
It will be interesting how they find a middle ground because on the other hand Juventus are well aware that they must do their best for Pogba's recovery but on the other hand the World Cup is one of the big dreams of the players. Apart from showing their quality in the national team, it also gives them pride when they are at this big event and obviously Pogba doesn't want to miss the opportunity there.

This morning I saw the news that Pogba will meet with professor Sonnerri Cottet in Lyon today to decide whether to have surgery or not, but I don't see any continuation of this news yet. Apparently one of these days we will find out how he will act, but I assume that he will refuse the surgery and choose a conservative treatment that allows you to recover faster but involves re-injury and more risk.
Pogba must take the right decision to heal the injury he suffered, the operation will keep him out for a long time and prevent a re-injury. If he chooses conservative treatment the injury has the potential to relapse and that is a risk he to bear. Surgery is one way to prevent re-injury to players, Pogba career is in his own hands, he must choose the best for his future.
2090  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2022/23 on: August 01, 2022, 08:24:04 PM
Barcelona managed to beat Real Madrid some time ago, and recently the club made by Xavi was only satisfied with a draw when they met Juventus. Surprising to see Real Madrid beat Juventus with a score of 2-0 yesterday, Juventus don't even attack much into Madrid's defence, in contrast to when they met Barcelona they played with an attack priority. This proves that Real Madrid's defense is still strong enough even after Marcelo left.
This is football buddy, something unexpected can happen. Barcelona can beat Real Madrid is something that is natural in my opinion, as well as Real Madrid win over Juventus is also nothing wrong with that result. The cycle in football is like that, not all teams can always win and not all teams can always lose, surprises will always happen in football matches. Real Madrid, Barcelona and Juventus can beat each other at any given time, it's a matter of luck on the pitch, the team that can take chances into goals has the potential to win the game.
2091  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2022/2023 on: August 01, 2022, 08:12:40 PM
despite being in the British media spotlight for squandering several chances throughout the match. Erling Haaland's worst mistake was failing to take advantage of the opportunities created towards the end of the match.
moreover Erling Haaland is known to have strength and expertise in terms of attacking. but I firmly believe he will be the spearhead of Man City to spread terror to his opponents under the direction of Pep Guardiola.
I see it's normal when players who have just joined fail to take advantage of opportunities in front of goal. I think this is experienced by many players, not only him. It's not normal when this happens over and over again. We can't judge just one or two matches, let's be more objective in judging the performance of players.
Failure to take advantage of opportunities in front of goal is not a big mistake made by players, Erling Haaland cannot be punished for his mistakes, because not all opportunities can turn into goals. He was just unlucky because his team was beaten by another strong team, but he is still the first choice in Guardiola squad. The Community Shield is the start of his career with Manchester City, he will try to show his quality on another occasion, all players need time to adapt to their new club.
2092  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ Football Transfers Speculation, Odds and Predictions on: August 01, 2022, 07:59:23 PM
Manchester United made improvement in the price but Frankie has said no again.
It is now obvious he wants to play Champions League.
If Manchester United gets qualified next year he can make a change with his decision

No team would want to play an unstable team like Manchester United without leaving a stable and strong squad like Barcelona. Moreover, Manchester United did not qualify for the Champions League. Also de Jong's chemistry with Barcelona is very good. So de Jong is not interested in leaving Barcelona. Manchester United should look for another player.
The club has given De Jong two options over his attitude that he doesn't want to leave Barcelona, ​​be loaned out to another club or he has to agree to a pay cut. If he doesn't want to leave Barcelona, ​​he must be prepared to have his salary cut so that the club is not burdened with a large salary, this situation is very beneficial for Manchester United because they can sign De Jong on loan if he refuses to have his salary cut. As a result of not qualifying for the Champions League, it is difficult for players to accept offers from Manchester United, De Jong must also be prepared to miss the UCL if loaned to Manchester United.
2093  Local / Altcoins (Bahasa Indonesia) / Re: Bounty sebagai pekerjaan utama? on: August 01, 2022, 02:19:50 PM
namun bounty yang membayar dengan altcoin jangan juga di lewatkan karena mungkin saja agan agan berutnung mengerjakan bounty dengan bayaran besar, meskipun saat ini sulit di temukan namun ikuti saja semua bounty jika sanggup dan punya waktu luang banyak
Jangan dilewatkan gimana Om, apa maksudnya setiap ada bounty baru digarap semua tanpa melakukan riset terlebih dahulu. Lalu bagaimana dengan kasus bounty scam, koin tidak memiliki nilai jual dan lain sebagainya yang membuat bounty hunter tidak mendapatkan apapun setelah bekerja berminggu-minggu.
Sekarang sulit mendapatkan keberuntungan dari bounty, sepanjang tahun 2022 sangat jarang ditemukan bounty dengan bayaran besar, kalaupun ada jumlahnya sangat sedikit. Wajar user yang dulunya sangat aktif mengerjakan bounty mulai beralih ke campaign bayaran BTC, karena hasilnya terjamin tiap minggunya.
2094  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: July 31, 2022, 08:39:11 AM
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Juventus has always been weak on the right hand side and I think Di Maria is a good choice. I think he has lot to offer despite his age. I think Allegri planned Di Maria to be used as a regular player in the squad this season. As for Pogba, yes he is kinda injury-prone but I am sure Juventus had that in mind before going for him. He also can offer when he recovers and is back into the squad.
Even though he is 34 years old, Di Maria can still play well and can play anywhere, he will play a more crucial role with Juventus. Di Maria is a great talent, Allegri has to bring his individual qualities to the team and try to create the best conditions for Di Maria to support the others. He can maximize his ability with Juventus, because Allegri will give him regular minutes to fill the right wing position. His presence in the squad can help attack on the right side because his very strong physique will really help Juventus this season.
2095  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2022/23 on: July 31, 2022, 05:46:04 AM
Yes it is true El Clasico matches are always interesting, but I feel it has decreased a bit lately, after Cristiano Ronaldo and Leonel Messi are no longer there. But now there's something interesting again after the reshuffle by Barcelona and also the young players from Real Madrid who were adamant in their last game.
The excitement may be different, but the exciting level of El Clasico is still not much changed from before even though there will be differences between now and next season.
Because I also like to see Lewandowski versus Benzema when there is an El Clasico match, and besides that next season El Clasico matches are the matches that are often awaited by most people.
Back when Real Madrid was still reinforced by Ronaldo and Barcelona still had Messi, these two players were always in the spotlight in El Clasico. Now that the eyes of football fans will be on Benzema Dan Lewandowski, these two players will act as goal machines for their respective clubs, happiness will grace the face of one of these players if he scores a goal in El Clasico. Lewandowski is looking forward to his first El Clasico in an official match and wants to prove he can still play in big games like Benzema did, besides this El Clasico will be a proving ground for Benzema and Lewandowski to be the best.
2096  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2022/2023 on: July 31, 2022, 05:32:06 AM
Liverpool is likely to maintain their form from the previous season with just a little addition to the squad which will be easier to get the players to be acquainted and know themselves much better and it turned out that Liverpool ended up being victorious and the winners of the community shield. Obviously this will raise more bragging for the Liverpool fans that they are still better than Manchester City even with Haaland and Alvarez's presence in the team.
Liverpool fans certainly expect Liverpool's performance to be even better. or at least maintain its current performance. because the match that was just done against manchester city really made Liverpool fans proud. but still Liverpool can't be careless. because a strong club like Manchester City always surprises. so liverpool must keep trying to improve its performance.
Victory over Manchester City was a good start for Liverpool and Nunez, despite starting the match on the bench, Nunez performance was quite good in this match. He not only played a role in Liverpool second goal, Nunez also scored in injury time while ensuring Liverpool victory over Manchester City with a score of 3-1. The 2022 Community Shield is the 16th title for Liverpool and the first trophy for Nunez with his new club. Obviously this is a happy result for Liverpool, but not for Manchester City, as well as a warning to Manchester City that Liverpool is ready to compete to be the best in the Premier League.
2097  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ Football Transfers Speculation, Odds and Predictions on: July 31, 2022, 04:33:17 AM
Between selling 25% of their tv rights for the next 25 years, and selling their merchandise company BLM's half, and getting a spotify stadium naming rights, they made close to a billion dollars if you include the loan they got.

Definitely this means that they are dead out of water if they do not find a way to make extra money, but between 600 million loan over 10 years, a tv rights deal that only see them parting with 25% of it, and sponsorship, they are actually doing fine. This allowed them to spend this much, and they also did it all at once because they needed new players and since the past few years have been hard, they couldn't get the players they wanted.

I agree that at least this time around Barcelona actually went and are going for the players they actually want or need, the last few seasons, it has always all been about saving face with one big transfer or the other, from Dembele to Coutinho.

Getting these players is just the first phase of their battle, the major problem might be being able to register them and time isn't on their side, they've got to rid a loads of players to afford them register the new ones, and that might be the major task yet that Barcelona would face despite seemingly being a grand winner in the current transfer window, I hope it all don't just amount for nothing at the end of the day.
This season Barcelona are very careful in the transfer market, they don't want to be fooled by the cover of the players who will be brought in. A few seasons ago Barcelona spent 160 million euros on Coutinho alone, but the money that Barcelona spent was not worth the performance of Coutinho. This season Barcelona spent 153 million euros to bring in three star players, Lewandowski, Raphinha and Kounde, this number can still increase because Barcelona are still trying to bring in Azpilicueta. The success that Barcelona have achieved in the transfer market because the Barcelona board has been occupied by a new face, the Barcelona Board spends money on the right posts, not like they used to buy players for fun with big money.
2098  Local / Altcoins (Bahasa Indonesia) / Re: [TANYA] kembali terjun ke bounty on: July 31, 2022, 03:54:18 AM
Dulu saya ada Grup WhatsApp khusus Bounty, tapi karena banyak kena Bounty SCAM akhirnya Grupnya buyar dan cari informasi sendiri ( karena gak ada teman aktif jadinya lebih banyak malas nya hehe )
Sebenarnya kalau kita mau telaten masih ada saja Bounty yang membayar , walaupun nominalnya tidak sebanyak dulu lagi.

Sekarang agan tak perlu repot lagi atau mengandalkan info dari teman untuk mencari bounty, disini sudah ada media untuk mempermudah siapapun yang ingin mencari bounty yang bayarannya dapat ditukar atau campaign bayaran BTC yang masih Open.


Dua Thread ini dapat agan jadikan rujukan untuk mencari bounty yang bayarannya ada di market dan Campaign bayaran BTC yang masih Open. Disana selalu ada posting jika ada update terbaru, agan dapat menyalakan Notif supaya tidak ketinggalan info terbaru.
2099  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2022/23 on: July 30, 2022, 10:39:14 AM
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Comparing the players I think Barcelona is stronger than Real Madrid. However, Real Madrid as a team is more stable than Barcelona. They have been playing in the same squad for a long time, and the understanding between the players is excellent. Considering this aspect, Barcelona will be left behind. But El Clasico will be very exciting unless Carlo Ancelotti plays a completely defensive strategy. As we have seen in previous seasons, when the opposition is strong, Carlo Ancelotti plays a defensive strategy and tries to draw the match. And most of the time he managed to score points.
I agree with you, the stability of the Real Madrid squad has been proven by their success in the last season, while Barcelona has just started a new project after a bad period that befell them. After the movement in the transfer market by bringing in top players, Barcelona is considered capable of rivaling Real Madrid or even the squad that Barcelona has now exceeded the strength of the Real Madrid squad. But they "the newly signed players"
need to adapt to Barcelona style of play, while the squad that Real Madrid has is very solid.
However, Real Madrid need to be aware of the rise of Barcelona, ​​the squad owned by Barcelona is not only able to undermine Real Madrid dominance in El Clasico, but will be a threat in the fight for the title.
2100  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2022/2023 on: July 30, 2022, 09:49:24 AM
Liverpool and Manchester City has been met before on 2019 in the same event Community Shield and at the normal time they were playing draw but through an penalty kick Manchester City is the winner of match and this time people are waiting their new striker whether Nunez and Haaland can scoring goals or not but regarding bets options in think both teams to score is good because according to their records Manchester City and Liverpool always be scoring goals each other everytime they met 
This is the match that Manchester City and Liverpool fans have been waiting for, the Community Shield event this time will not only be the best for both teams, but this event will be a stage for players who have just been brought in by both teams in the transfer market to show their quality. Nunez and Haaland will be in the spotlight, both signed for high transfers, goals from these two players are eagerly awaited by the fans, and proving that they deserve to be valued at a high price.
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