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2081  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Malaysia Airlines MH17 Crash: Boeing 777 Crashed in Ukraine Near Russian Border on: August 02, 2014, 08:23:44 PM
78 international experts with dogs arrive at MH17 crash site
http://en.itar-tass.com/world/743309

70 Experts, 8 Monitors Arrive at Boeing Crash Site in Eastern Ukraine - OSCE
http://en.ria.ru/world/20140802/191618487/70-Experts-8-Monitors-Arrive-at-Boeing-Crash-Site-in-Eastern.html


They didn't stay there for long, Kiev saw to that:

Group of int’l experts leaves MH17 crash site in Donetsk region due to shelling
http://en.itar-tass.com/world/743322

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About 80 international specialists have arrived at the crash site, including eight members of the OSCE Special Monitoring Mission, and experts from the Netherlands and Australia

A group of international experts working at the MH17 crash site in the east Ukrainian Donetsk region left the area due to shelling on Saturday.

OSCE spokesperson Shiv Sharma said the situation had become dangerous for the experts and they had left the area.

He said, however, that only one group had left while all the others continued working at the scene. Sharma said that search had not been stopped but the situation was volatile and changing rapidly.
2082  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Crimea on: August 02, 2014, 10:39:19 AM
Poroshenko: Ukraine not to give up on Crimea
http://en.itar-tass.com/world/743288

They still want a war with Russia.

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“Crimea is not for sale,” Ukrainian President said

 Grin Grin Grin

No one was buying it. But Poroshenko, being an oligarch clearly forgets that the land is inhabited by people - Donbass and mass extermination of residents there being the case in point.
2083  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Sanctions against Russia spark AK-47 buying frenzy in US - Sanctions be good on: August 02, 2014, 10:37:08 AM
I should probably start a separate thread to mock the sanctions... still:

Russia sanctions may hit Finland — president
http://en.itar-tass.com/world/743268

Rosneft: EU sanctions on oil equipment are not critical
http://en.itar-tass.com/economy/743250

Sanctions against Russia already taking toll on Western businesses — FT
http://en.itar-tass.com/world/743245

Ukraine is barking too the tune:
Ukraine plans sanctions on companies with Russian capital — official
http://en.itar-tass.com/world/743242

Now that Ukraine shells Russia with artillery even more, Russia clearly need to be put under heavier sanctions for not allowing a full-scale invasion and stubbornly continuing with diplomatic rebukes.
2084  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Malaysia Airlines MH17 Crash: Boeing 777 Crashed in Ukraine Near Russian Border on: August 02, 2014, 10:25:09 AM
78 international experts with dogs arrive at MH17 crash site
http://en.itar-tass.com/world/743309

70 Experts, 8 Monitors Arrive at Boeing Crash Site in Eastern Ukraine - OSCE
http://en.ria.ru/world/20140802/191618487/70-Experts-8-Monitors-Arrive-at-Boeing-Crash-Site-in-Eastern.html
2085  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia. on: August 02, 2014, 10:23:23 AM
Pentagon asks Congress to allocate $19 mln in support of Ukrainian army
http://en.itar-tass.com/world/743301

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Money was intended to provide training for Ukraine's National Guard forces, in particular to train four companies of soldiers and a headquarters element

The same Nazional Guard that loots and kills civilians and is for 1/2 comprised of released criminals.
2086  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Russian Federation under Ukrainian bombs. on: August 02, 2014, 10:20:09 AM
Russia has been shelled from Ukraine once again today:

Ukraine’s Grad Rocket Launchers Shell Russia’s Rostov Region – Border Security Service
http://en.ria.ru/russia/20140802/191617531/Ukraines-Grad-Rocket-Launchers-Shell-Russias-Rostov-Region-.html

Nine shells fired from Ukraine explode in Russia's territory
http://en.itar-tass.com/russia/743310
2087  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Is the West gearing up to invade Russia once again? on: August 02, 2014, 10:18:15 AM
Moving there one step closer at a time. This one seems to be a move from Washington to justify the upcoming nuclear first-strike.

Ever wonder why your (Russian) quotes are 95% from RT (Russia Today) channel? You guys have no other or is it the new Pravda?
That one is what? The new attempt from a long side-lined Russia to try to make their citizens afraid with the "Evil America"?

For no other reason, than RT being the most accessible for the English-speakers. I often give references to Russian sources with short summaries in English, but then people start complaining that it's in Russian.

Other sources in English are:
http://en.itar-tass.com/
http://en.ria.ru/

By the way:
Ukraine shells Russia once again, but that's for another thread.
2088  Other / Politics & Society / Freedom of press in Ukraine - not on: August 02, 2014, 08:41:55 AM
RT’s video agency producer kicked out of Ukraine
http://rt.com/news/177440-ruptly-producer-kicked-out-ukraine/

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A producer for RT’s RUPTLY video agency has been ordered to leave Ukraine after local authorizes learned that she holds both American and Russian citizenships. The journalist says she has been forced out of the country because of her “Russian passport”.

...

Traffic on the major regional road has been halted for the past few days as local activists have been protesting against the mobilization of the Ukrainian army. They blocked the highway with benches, flowerbeds and vehicles, not letting any transport, except ambulances and emergency services, pass through.

RUPTLY’s producer has been at the scene with her equipment – camera and tripod which had labels of RT Ruptly.

According to RT’s official statement, one of the Ukrainian journalists, who was also working at the scene, noticed labels of RT RUPTLY and started questioning her and filming with his video camera. This attracted attention of other reporters, who called the police. Security forces arrived along with Ukraine’s Security Service (SBU) representatives.

The Ukrainian journalists are currently more busy with spreading hate and acting as local snitches.
While SBU rounds up anyone who does not follow the rosy official line.

Note that she was filming in West-Ukraine.

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Alina has been given until August 4 to leave the country. As she has told RT shortly after the incident, she hoped to catch a plane on Saturday morning and come home.

Eprimian explained she was covering a small protest in Western Ukraine, when another journalist noticed a little RUPTLY sticker on her camera and started shouting “you are Russia Today!” The crowd of around 7 journalists surrounded her and began asking questions.

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Then, some 15 minutes later, “3 policemen came and three officials from the national security service of Ukraine.” Eprimian claims that after examining her documents, “they did not believe that [a copy of] my American passport was real.” The Ukrainian officials followed Eprimian to the hotel to examine the original document.

“I did not want to be questioned like that. I did not understand the reason for my questioning,” Eprimian says pointing out that overall the Ukrainian authorities acted “pretty civil.”

“At one point they did tell me that if I was not going to sit down, they were going to handcuff me to the chair,” when she tried to resist questioning, she added.
2089  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Is the West gearing up to invade Russia once again? on: August 02, 2014, 08:30:46 AM
Moving there one step closer at a time. This one seems to be a move from Washington to justify the upcoming nuclear first-strike.

‘Lies, hypocrisy, propaganda’: Russia slams US over claims of nuclear treaty violations
http://rt.com/news/177464-russia-nuclear-treaty-us-claims/

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Moscow has upped the ante in its growing confrontation with Washington after releasing an incendiary statement, accusing the US of spinning and distorting facts to allege that Russia is testing a new cruise missile, banned by a landmark Cold War treaty.

“Once again the US is trying (and again rather clumsily) to act as a mentor, for some reason pretending to possesses the truth in the last instance and have the right to judge others. Claims are made with little to know evidence and based on warped logic, in other words presented not with further experts’ analyses in mind,” opens the lengthy tirade by the Russian Foreign Ministry, in response to the allegations detailed in the State Department report released on Tuesday.

“The purpose seems to be to create a wall of information noise to incite other countries, and to boil up a propagandist brew for the media. Or does the US administration still sincerely deceive itself that the world can take Washington’s word?”

...

But the Russian Foreign Ministry said that Russia repeatedly raised concerns with US short range missiles for target practice, drones and the MK 41 Vertical Launching Systems which the US is planning to deploy in Poland and Romania.

It seems that the current unsubstantiated accusations against Russia are just a “tendentious and provocative’” attempt to create a smokescreen and draw attention away from the Pentagon’s own transgressions, Russia says, going beyond identifying a single specific area of disagreement.
2090  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia. on: August 02, 2014, 08:23:18 AM
The Donetsk army is having a bit of fun:

Ukraine’s Soviet-era drone captured by Donetsk militia (VIDEO)
http://rt.com/news/177472-ukraine-soviet-drone-down/

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An old Soviet Tu-143 reconnaissance drone allegedly deployed by the Ukrainian army has crashed near Donetsk, with local militia, initially not aware of what that monstrosity was, suspecting in the video to have downed Kiev’s "weapon of mass destruction."

The YouTube video of the downed drone claims the archaic unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) was shot down “at approximatly 13:30 local time near Shahtersk.” In the video, the representatives of DPR anti-Kiev forces say that the “object will be further identified.”

2091  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Malaysia Airlines MH17 Crash: Boeing 777 Crashed in Ukraine Near Russian Border on: August 01, 2014, 09:20:37 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiXjXmZ3NYg

OSCE personnel found bullet holes, which were made by heavy machine gun

The video is an English-language interview from CBCNews, so don't get discouraged by the Russia title.

Interesting comment (not to be taken completely at face value as with any other YT comment, but it does rhyme with other observations):

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Duck Duckov
34 minutes ago (edited)
 
Вчера разговаривал с родственником с Донбасса. Был на месте падения самолёта. Всю жизнь проработал в морге. НА БОРТУ БЫЛИ ТРУПЫ. ЭТО ПРОВОКАЦИЯ ОТ НАЧАЛА ДО КОНЦА. Трупный запах, тела с минусовой температурой, трупные пятна.

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Talked yesterday to a relative from Donbass. He was at the crash site. He's worked all his life in a morgue. There were dead bodies aboard. This is a provocation from start to end. Putrid smell from corpses, bodies at temperatures below freezing point, corpse spots.
2092  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia. on: August 01, 2014, 07:16:52 PM
...and full name registration, typical of a NATO bot. I see there's another candidate for my ignore list  Grin

Meanwhile:
Ukraine again used cluster bombs against civilians of Lugansk. People went out filming the chutes of the falling bombs, thinking it was aid.
http://rusvesna.su/news/1406918141

From Igor Strelov. Today they exchanged two POWs from the 25th airmobile brigade for two freedom fighters. The officers of the airmobile brigade were released in good condition, while the freedom fighters were dumped with broken limbs and splintered intestines. There is little chance they'll survive.
Strelkov ordered not to take POWs from the 25th airmobile from now on.
http://rusvesna.su/news/1406919235
2093  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Malaysia Airlines MH17 Crash: Boeing 777 Crashed in Ukraine Near Russian Border on: August 01, 2014, 07:10:00 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiXjXmZ3NYg

OSCE personnel found bullet holes, which were made by heavy machine gun

Just what I was talking about recently... Cool

With machine gun ? 247crypto has say "no hole" for two hours yesterday... And with a blue sky you would see it.

Yes, with a 30 mm machine gun (aircraft cannon). Regarding holes, see these photos:





This rhymes well with the German experts' observations:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/german-pilot-speaks-out-shocking-analysis-of-the-shooting-down-of-malaysian-mh17/5394111
https://hat4uk.wordpress.com/2014/07/28/new-mh17-sensation-german-experts-point-finger-at-ukrainian-air-force-jets/
http://www.anderweltonline.com/wissenschaft-und-technik/luftfahrt-2014/schockierende-analyse-zum-abschuss-der-malaysian-mh-017/
http://www.presseportal.de/pm/59019/2791311/neues-deutschland-nva-raketenspezialist-mh17-nicht-von-boden-luft-rakete-abgeschossen
2094  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Malaysia Airlines MH17 Crash: Boeing 777 Crashed in Ukraine Near Russian Border on: August 01, 2014, 11:30:22 AM
Just came across the following site, showing a comprehensive list of things that just don't add up:
http://humansarefree.com/2014/07/busted-mh-17-was-in-fact-lost-flight-mh.html

For example:
1. A missing window on the wreckage, which appeared in some pictures over the internet.
2095  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Malaysia Airlines MH17 Crash: Boeing 777 Crashed in Ukraine Near Russian Border on: August 01, 2014, 11:16:52 AM
US does it again through their Kiev puppets!  Roll Eyes

‘Wrong time, altered images’ Moscow slams Kiev’s MH17 case
http://rt.com/news/177296-ukraine-mh17-satellite-images/

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Satellite images Kiev published as ‘proof’ it didn’t deploy anti-aircraft batteries around the MH17 crash site carry altered time-stamps and are from days after the MH17 tragedy, the Russian Defense Ministry has revealed.

The images, which Kiev claims were taken by its satellites at the same time as those taken by Russian satellites, are neither Ukrainian nor authentic, according to a Moscow statement.

The Defense Ministry said the images were apparently made by an American KeyHole reconnaissance satellite, because the two Ukrainian satellites currently in orbit, Sich-1 and Sich-2, were not positioned over the part of Ukraine’s Donetsk Region shown in the pictures.
2096  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Is the West gearing up to invade Russia once again? on: August 01, 2014, 11:08:05 AM
WW1 tragedy reminder of the dangers of excessive ambitions - Putin
http://rt.com/news/177300-putin-world-war-ambitions/

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The tragedy of WWI reminds us what excessive ambitions, an unwillingness to listen to each other and violations of liberties lead to, Russian President said. He was speaking at the opening ceremony of the memorial to the Heroes of the WWI in Moscow.
2097  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia. on: August 01, 2014, 09:22:34 AM
To add. Ukrainian military suffered heavy losses near Shahtersk, where freedom fighters made a foray.
Ukrainian minister of defense says he is confident that the operation will be concluded within a month. (I remember they said the same two months ago, and the dead bodies of civilians still keep on piling up):
http://itar-tass.com/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/1354398?utm_medium=rss20
2098  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Malaysia Airlines MH17 Crash: Boeing 777 Crashed in Ukraine Near Russian Border on: August 01, 2014, 09:19:43 AM
OCSE reports that additional remains of corpses of the flight victims, as well as their personal belongings, remain at the crash site:
http://ria.ru/world/20140731/1018355299.html
The crash site is for the most part unchanged since the observers first saw it.
2099  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Is the West gearing up to invade Russia once again? on: August 01, 2014, 08:31:07 AM
Russia will conduct massive mobilisation of reserves for training in new types of armament, in the period of August-October:
http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20140801/1018397154.html
2100  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Crimea on: August 01, 2014, 08:29:25 AM
The new train route Moscow-Simferopol will from the 1st of August go bypassing Ukraine, over Kerch strait - for the first time in 25 years - to ensure passenger safety.
http://lenta.ru/news/2014/08/01/train/
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