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2081  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DCR] Decred - Hybrid PoW/PoS | btcsuite Devs | Tons of New Features | Go on: February 10, 2016, 01:14:36 AM

thx!
2082  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DCR] Decred - Hybrid PoW/PoS | btcsuite Devs | Tons of New Features | Go on: February 10, 2016, 01:10:01 AM

how many decred per airdrop?
2083  Local / Altcoins (Deutsch) / Re: Projekt Ethereum on: February 10, 2016, 01:02:37 AM
Hab mir gerade mal die Einführung für Ethereum angeschaut und auch mal die CLI-Tools kompiliert...
Danach stellte ich mir folgende Frage : Ihr glaubt nicht wirklich, dass der Ether gerade Massadoption erfährt und der Preis deswegen steigt ?

"massadoption" lol! dir ist aber schon klar das bei "mass adoption" die marketcap von etherum locker in die hunderten mrd$ gehen würde?

niemand redet von "massadoption" das braucht es momentan auch gar nicht, aber alleine 1/10 der marketcap von bitcoin reicht aus für einen guten anstieg.
2084  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Ethereum: Welcome to the Beginning on: February 09, 2016, 11:43:46 PM

And there we are!

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2085  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Ethereum: Welcome to the Beginning on: February 08, 2016, 11:23:47 PM
Homestead website preview (leaked)!
http://dipl.me:3000/

Cool, well built. I like the examples they've added for use cases.

nice to see you here! with all the shit going on in the bitcoin-world eth seems like a good "safe haven"
2086  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 08, 2016, 03:44:25 PM

Hum so, basically you just go for anything strangers tells you to, putting literally YOUR money at risk at every corner??! just wow. Undecided


No, that is called "Supporting Core".

And its not YOUR money anymore - Its AXA/Horizons. So be careful you dont get it grubby with your filthy hands before they can collect it via LN.

Thank You.

Don’t forget Moneta. Whatever the hell they are. Undecided
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1305286.msg13810512#msg13810512


i wouldnt go hysterical over that. the community can fork to 2MB, core follows and everybody is happy. classic is not even close when it comes to further development.

I sort of agree, but I am curious to see what happens in the Core camp when they realize they're working for an alt implementation. May be enough defections for there to be no need to turn back.

You Noobs know there is not only core out there right? About 2k nodes running other versions. And no, im not talking about the xt/classic spv aws spoofed nodes.

even better! that means the camp that opposes 2MB may be even smaller than thought.
2087  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 08, 2016, 03:22:13 PM

Hum so, basically you just go for anything strangers tells you to, putting literally YOUR money at risk at every corner??! just wow. Undecided


No, that is called "Supporting Core".

And its not YOUR money anymore - Its AXA/Horizons. So be careful you dont get it grubby with your filthy hands before they can collect it via LN.

Thank You.

Don’t forget Moneta. Whatever the hell they are. Undecided
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1305286.msg13810512#msg13810512


i wouldnt go hysterical over that. the community can fork to 2MB, core follows and everybody is happy. classic is not even close when it comes to further development.
2088  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Ethereum: Welcome to the Beginning on: February 08, 2016, 02:47:35 PM

ripple here we come!
2089  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Sia - Decentralized Storage - Working Beta - Currency has been released on: February 08, 2016, 01:56:29 PM

thx!
2090  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Sia - Decentralized Storage - Working Beta - Currency has been released on: February 08, 2016, 01:47:49 PM

potential investor here  Wink

any news?

cloud storage working?
2091  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 07, 2016, 06:40:59 PM

core is reacting, they are firing up new nodes also. interesting battle we got here...
2092  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 07, 2016, 12:45:34 PM

Segwit is good but its not a solution to blocksize and was never meant to be one.

LN is a solution but its far from being implemented and tested. Some say its 2-3 years from now.
2093  Local / Trading und Spekulation / Re: Der Aktuelle Kursverlauf on: February 07, 2016, 12:35:37 PM
Ich bleibe dabei: Ein Fork ohne Konsens (aller Nutzer) ist absolut idiotisch. Eine echter Split (in einen echten Altcoin) wäre dagegen durchaus machbar und auch unschädlich.


Die Frage ist doch: wie wird "Konsens" definiert? Ab wann haben wir einen Konsens? Und wen oder was sollen wir da berücksichtigen?

Nehmen wir einmal deine Aussage beim Wort: Einen Konsens aller Nutzer. Das würde genau genommen bedeuten das EIN Nutzer ausreichen würde um das gesamte Projekt lahmzulegen. Ein Miner, ein Dev, eine Exchange, ein Node oder im einfachsten Fall ein Besitzer eines Satoshis.

Das kann einfach gar keine Bedingung sein für einen Konsens! So gesehen würde jedes Projekt egal ob Unternehmen, Opensource-Projekt oder Cryptocurrency im nu an die Wand gefahren werden da schlichtweg Stillstand herrschen würde.

Es stellt sich also immer noch die Frage: Wann ist ein Konsens erreicht?

Unterscheiden wir einmal 3 Parteien im Bitcoin-System. Miner, Developer und User. In allen drei Bereichen muss es eine Schwelle geben ab welcher wir von einem Konsens reden weit VOR 100% Übereinstimmung da diese logischerweise utopisch ist.

Im Bereich der Miner ist das ganze noch relativ einfach zu messen anhand der Blöcke. Eventuell sind 75% zu wenig, aber 100% sind ebenfalls eindeutig unsinnig da ein geminter Block reichen würde als Veto. Das bedeutet alles unterhalb von 100% ist im grunde Ansichtssache. es gibt keine eindeutige Lösung für das Problem.

Was die User angeht so kommt noch ein weiteres Problem hinzu. Wie messen wir was die User als Gesamtheit wollen? Wer ist überhaupt ein "User"? Mitglieder von Bitcointalk oder reicht es eine Wallet zu haben? Und dann wäre immer noch die Frage ob ein einzelner User die Fähigkeit haben soll Änderungen zu blockieren, wie e bei einem Konsens "aller" ja der Fall wäre.
Desweiteren fehlt uns die Möglichkeit genau zu messen, müsste ich jedoch eine grobe Einschätzung der Stimmung in den Online-Foren abgeben so würde ich sagen die Mehrheit der User will 2MB. Es ist ja in gewisser Hinsicht bezeichnend das Thyemos jeden Versuch eine Umfrage hier im Bitcointalk zu dem Thema zu eröffnen sofort unterbunden hat. Er weiß eben genau das die Mehrheit der User (zumindest hier auf Bitcointalk) für die 2MB sind.
Dies bestätigen sogar die Core-Devs und genau deshalb haben sie eine PR-Wende vollzogen mit Twitter-Account, eigener Homepage etc.

Bleiben die Devs. Wie soll hier ein Konsens aussehen? Reicht das Veto eines Developers um Änderungen zu verhindern? Und was wäre wenn Miner, User und Bitcoin-Economy (also Exchanges etc) geschlossen für eine Änderung wären? Herrscht dann im libertären Bitcoin-System eine Aristokratie einer Gruppe von knapp 20 Leuten über Millionen anderer?

Einen 100% Konsens wir es nie geben und darauf zu warten ist sinnlos. Es wird immer eine willkürliche Grenze geben ab welcher ein Konsens erreicht ist, beim einen sind es 51%, beim anderen 75% und bei nächsten 95%.

So oder so, Bitcoin bewegt sich in einem freien Markt und sollte es zwei Varianten geben so wird der Markt langfristig entscheiden wer sich durchsetzt.
2094  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 06, 2016, 01:57:28 AM
yeah because the majority are always right ...

no, but what better way of deciding things you have? let a small group of people rule over the others? and who decides then which persons are allowed in this group?

it is exactly why democracies are so fucked up

fucked up? hmm, which better way of government you propose? all hail the leader? chinese corruption of the big and only allowed political party? you see, democracy is not perfect, but to wait for your little dictator to rule over you is not something to look out for.

Technical issues are very rarely political, you are either right or wrong.

lol! are you fucking kidding?! technical decisions are very rarely purely "right or wrong" often it IS indeed political, because longterm views, goals and risk assessment come into play. 

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Once bitcoin rules have been set in stone they will need very few controversial changes, if any.

thats a nice view but its illusionary imo. as bitcoin grows other issues will occur and they will also need to be solved. other competitiors will come and eventuelly force bitcoin to change in one or another way.
you see one of its strengths is its ability to adapt if Bitcoin fails to adapt it will most likely fail as a project. not near or midterm but longterm.
2095  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 06, 2016, 01:29:21 AM
I wonder what the price would collapse to in the event of an actual controversial hard fork. I mean like 75% controversial.

Not that this is an argument either way. Censorship-resistant money ain't cheap. And I'm prepared to make sacrifices. But the exodus would be epic.

interesting times indeed. if core is smart they will immediately declare to also support 2MB and classic is dead in a matter of weeks. but unfortunately several core devs act immature like 16o scriptkiddies and will most likely switch the hashalgo and leave the table.
2096  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 06, 2016, 01:25:55 AM
Just few months ago core got more then 95% consensus for their soft fork. So you are factually wrong to say Bitcoin never moves ahead if 95% is required.
It is moving and improving rapidly all the time.

it doesnt matter if you had an uncontroversial soft fork that was accepted by 95%. when it comes to crucial and controversial decisions and not just minor changes you will see that 95% means factual gridlock as 5% can be easily mobilized. bitcoin will face even harder decisions than this blocksize issue at the moment, with maybe even harder controversies.

and in THAT situations of controversial but neccessary decisions 95% are deadly, as you may eventually wait forever for the community to unite behind one proposal and the project falls behind because its not able to adapt to new challenges.

you see, the blocksize isnt such a crucial issue at the moment imo, but if bitcoin wont be able to handle it in a timely matter its a bad sign for future hurdles to come which may be way more important.

sounds like you want a bitcoin "Progressive" edition ... and like the political party of the same name inevitably fall into the inflation trap ... "for the children".

lol what are you talking about

its pretty easy, if you let 5% of the community block whatever decision the 95% majority has choosen your project (whatever it is) will end up fucked up. no matter if its a company, a football-club or a cryptocurrency. its called tyranny of the few.

you can obv discuss if 75% is enough or not, but its ridiculous to expect a community to always go ahead with a 100% consensus.
2097  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 06, 2016, 01:13:13 AM
Just few months ago core got more then 95% consensus for their soft fork. So you are factually wrong to say Bitcoin never moves ahead if 95% is required.
It is moving and improving rapidly all the time.

it doesnt matter if you had an uncontroversial soft fork that was accepted by 95%. when it comes to crucial and controversial decisions and not just minor changes you will see that 95% means factual gridlock as 5% can be easily mobilized. bitcoin will face even harder decisions than this blocksize issue at the moment, with maybe even harder controversies.

and in THAT situations of controversial but neccessary decisions 95% are deadly, as you may eventually wait forever for the community to unite behind one proposal and the project falls behind because its not able to adapt to new challenges.

you see, the blocksize isnt such a crucial issue at the moment imo, but if bitcoin wont be able to handle it in a timely matter its a bad sign for future hurdles to come which may be way more important.
2098  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 06, 2016, 01:04:32 AM
Meant to not change without how much consensus?

Edit: Some of it? All of it?

More then 75% of hash power and a few big name exchanges, thats for sure.

maybe more then 75%, but you definitely reach a certain point where it gets ridiculous.
2099  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 06, 2016, 01:02:01 AM
Gavin's big dial with the shit-eating grin on front of r/bitcoin again ... dump incoming.

edit: notice how he releases these controversial posts at critical timings for technical price breakouts ... or coincidence?

What has he controversially posted? I don't read r/bitcoin and I can't face wading through page after page to find his post. Is it another post about the block size combined with another alternate Bitcoin wallet? The last thing I heard about Gavin was he climbed down to suggesting going for 2MB blocks.


Dumpus_Maximus just posted about arbitrary numbers and binaries for "crassic"
usual thing, brigade voted to the top in no time by the usual paid shills, trolls, zealots and agent provocateurs
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/
... dump incoming as per expected, cheap coinz for his bankster buddies.


Some people would rather the 75% be 95% or 99%. I think that is too high because it gives “veto power” to a single big solo miner or mining pool. Holding veto power is dangerous– somebody who disagrees with the change or just wants to disrupt Bitcoin might use extortion, bribery, or blackmail against a miner to try to prevent the change.

Other people think 75% is too high; after all, if 51% of hash power got together they could just choose to ignore blocks that vote 'the wrong way’. If they are mining pools they might lose most of their miners, but they could.


What a thoughtless heathen!

Lol he can not gain consensus so he just lowered the trigger (compared to 95% which is usually used for soft forks!) to try and push through his chaotic contentious hard fork.

He is again using political language, hiding his real aim of forcing a hard fork under the banner of fighting extortion veto etc.  Nobody is extorting anybody many people simply disagree. Bitcoin is meant to not change without consensus.

define consensus.

if consensus means >95% of the community/miners then Bitcoin will never move ahead! its very easy to convince a minority of 5% to block a certain unwanted evolution.  the result is gridlock.
2100  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 04, 2016, 02:07:28 PM

did i miss something?
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