core is divided in itself. some part of it including gmax and luke will eventually stay at 1MB even after a successful 2MB fork and do their own thing. obv they still will call themselves "bitcoin" no matter how tiny their marketshare will be. one other part (and i think the by far bigger) will simply be pragmatic and switch to 2MB and thats it.

afaik from those pools, exchanges, payment processors that went public pretty much all supported 2MB. the bitcoin-economy seems to be pretty decided on that matter. i obv wont go and search for every statement, i remember a dicussion at #bitcoin-dev where core devs also agreed that the economy seems to be against them. they blamed it on wrong communications etc.
or in other words, name important players of the bitcoin economy which publicly declared that they wanna keep 1MB. you wont find any.


to take the activity of btct and r/bitcoin as evidence is a non-argument as its obv that the community has a big lag in switching the places were everybody meets. a much better argument is indeed to look what actually happens on those sites! reddit is a perfect example, whenever a 2MB proposal made it through censorship a few hours it was massively upvoted. especially before r/btc came into play and took away some of its users. so as long as everybody was forced to use r/bitcoin 2MB had HUGE support. at least as long as you take upvotes into account.

here at btct is seems similar, imo 2MB is favorised big time. lets try a survey on that matter. i am willing to bet 1BTC that 2MB will be in big favor...


PP play an important part in the economy, to just wipe them away as unimportant seems a bad idea.


split? afaik not one exchange seems to favor 1MB. we had several announcements an they all declared to welcome 2MB.


to look just for "large investors" seems incomplete thinking to me. why not go one step further and ask "what do stakeholders want?" we can only guess about that, but as i see the support in the community be it reddit, btct, blogs etc i see (like i said) the community wants 2MB.
that impression is further strengthened as i read core developers complain that they are not willing to give in to technical inferior solutions just because the majority of the community wants that. that pretty much showed to me that the are aware of to be the minority, but dont wanna let the "mob" rule...

 

they have no choice to support 2MB yet.


yes, they do. but have you been in contact with some of the devs surrounding core lately? many of them have absolutely no problem going with 2MB in case classic will gain majority. they seem much more pragmatic and less ideologized than the die hard group. it seems that basically gmax, luke and one or two others are the reason for this big clash. imo the roadmap is great. go for it! but add 2MB and everybody is happy again.

correct. nevertheless thats not the situation we have at the moment. its not 80% hashpower against the rest of the community.

in fact its more like some part of core stands against pretty much everyone else in the bitcoin universe.

miners are in favor of 2MB.

community/users are in favor of 2MB. (i would estimate 80/20 in favor of 2MB)

bitcoin services are in favor of 2MB. that means stamp, coinbase, blockchain.org, bitpay, etc etc

so its basically a minor group of devs against everyone else. and you can also see that from those core devs only a few are really decidedly against 2MB, most of them just try to avoid conflict and go with the others. if you watch closely you will find that gmax and luke are the main force behind the neglectance and stubbornness.

so its basically 20% of the community plus maybe 5 devs that try to force their will on everyone else.

dont think so, if bitcoin goes 200$ expect altcoins to tripple in value against btc

this bitcoin coldwar is heating up and may soon escalate with all dirty tricks including ddos, hacks and mass media interviews etc

i suggest 50% bitcoin /  50% altcoins as hedge

i like

i dont fully understand, but i kinda like it 

i am still long, but i am pissed about the lack of professionalism in the development circles. both sides seem to behave like 16yo nerd kiddies.

core has also its immature folks like luke etc

why? reward will be 12.5 that's still a big factor higher then any fee market could gather at the moment.

edit: at the moment we are still in the early stages of bitcoin, where adoption is all that matters. so its beneficial imo to have lower fees. network effect drags on and at a later stage you can easily have a fee market.

the question is: does there have to be now competition or sometime in the future? at the moment with the block reward its not that big of an issue to have lower fee-income.

allright, i am ready

which bitcoin? bitcoin core? bitcoin classic? bitcoin freedom? bitcoin xyz? bitcoin zxy?

before you know we will have so many different versions you better start keeping track of them.

auch wenn es nicht gerne gesehen wird, aber eth ist für mich durchaus ein safe-heaven im moment. bei einem absturz könnte eth zum btc weiter zulegen.

indeed, imagine 2-3 months from now we could have 2 or even three "Bitcoin" selling itself as the original.

i think what is maybe still stabilizing the market could be optimists who expect a run-up after the scaling is solved.

tbh with all this forking-crap i expected bitcoin to be sub 300$ anytime soon. that we are still around 380$ really surprises me. either i am ahead of the market or i am wrong by the market.

 

why? just combine it with a 2MB hardfork and everybody is happy.

nein.

it shows lack of reason. miners seem to be much more reasonable at the moment and thats in a way how bitcoin was intended anyways. its the miners (and users) who decide where to go.

hi all,

whats the big deal about this coin?