I don't think banning racism is censorship Loyce, it's just promoting the survival and well being of the human species  . But it is censorship. Racial supremacy (whatever the race) is an idea, and if someone can't express that idea because someone is prohibiting people from speaking about it....well, what would you call that if not censorship? LoyceV is correct. If free speech is to be protected, it's generally the offensive ideas that need the defense, not inoffensive speech that most people agree with. interesting side point, I have no objections against free speech, it's meaningful to talk about whether certain races exhibit superiority or some other generalized patterns in some areas. But using this line of thinking to then create unfair and provably false disadvantages to certain groups, with no regards whatsoever to ethics or due process; this I believe would be a bannable offense in any community or organization. It's also philosophically incorrect as it would imply reverse causality. The proponents of the racial theories often overlook that while an average statistic about the distribution of a certain race's IQ for example might hold some merit, the fact remains that individual outliers from any race or nationality can still manage to (and do) outshine everyone else. That is the power of individual genius, and what philosophers like Hegel would call a momentous, world-historical individual, carrying the human Geist and existence to greater and more beautiful levels of advancement. |
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I think we'll have to agree to disagree here. You can't be selective about which freedom of speech you accept, and which not. That's not freedom, it's censorship.
I don't think banning racism is censorship Loyce, it's just promoting the survival and well being of the human species . Similar to banning people for death threats and inflicting violence, racist behavior should also be taken very seriously, as it attempts to dehumanize and completely disqualify certain segments of the human population (and here certain parts of the forum) from a dignified and joyous life, I would consider that a very serious crime against humanity. |
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I think you're misunderstanding some of the basic freedoms this forum offers: it offers the freedom to offend people, be a racist, and show hatred. I've seen those freedoms abused, but that doesn't mean those freedoms shouldn't be defended. There are many forums on the internet where freedom of speech is limited, and I very much value the freedoms we have here. That doesn't mean I necessarily agree or oppose those views, it's just how this forum works.
ok if racism, thought to be one of the greatest evils on the planet and strongly forbidden by all civilized nations, their constitutions and laws, is permitted here for the sake of the total boundless freedom of creative thought, I'm fine with that. Having said that, you publicly defending and promoting this in this case, LoyceV, condones a very dangerous premise for the integrity of this forum, and contrary to your initial gut feeling, it does follow that people dealing with Timelord2067 are at risk of great monetary loss, and the flag is very appropriate because I'm sure a knowledgeable individual like you can find ample correlation in history between prejudice / persecution and financial crimes. People prone to irrational hateful behavior will not hesitate to exhibit that blind prejudice in monetary matters as well, so a smart community should be vigilant against dealing with these vacant NPC's like Timelord2067... |
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Beyler bayanlar, ırkçı ve nefret dolu forum üyesi Timelord2067 hakkındaki flag'i nihayet bugün açtım, konuyu burada bulabilirsiniz https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5181723.0, Timelord2067'ye karşı açtığımız şu flag'e de önce support sonra confirm'e basarak destek verebilirsiniz: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=702Bu tarz organize etnik nefret içeren hareketlere karşı toplu bir tepki ve destek ortaya koymak haklı bir refleks olur, aksi takdirde Türkçe bölümden meşru yüksek rütbeli ve güvenilen üyelerin çıkması sistematik olarak engellenmiş oluyor... Herkese selamlar |
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The incessant and repetitive prejudice, insults & lies thrown indiscriminately against all the Turkish high ranking members have become so tedious and outrageous that finally I have to open a thread and flag about it. The Turkish section proposes user ~Timelord2067 to be excluded from all trust lists, so his constant immoral and malevolent activities cannot harm an entire local section of the forum as well its overall integrity. Flag against Timelord2067 here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=702(Update: flag is now withdrawn purely based on the procedural objections raised by many valuable members through this thread & elsewhere). First of all a brief prelude: The fact remains that any high ranking Turkish member who ever makes it to the top 150 of these DT selections will get instantly tagged by 3-4 people that he has never interacted with. When anyone points the absurdity of this out, he will also get tagged by another 3-4 guys, in a crazy organized scheme to prevent their future participation in any Default Trust selections...
A mere glance at the trust list history of any high ranking Turkish member will instantly demonstrate to you the existence of these mysterious distrusters... With some of them we have conducted an amicable and intellectual dialogue and resolved all misunderstandings, so in particular I personally thank @owlcatz, @klaaas and @lauda for their commendable and empathetic moral behavior. For the last 10 days or so, however, user Timelord2067, has dedicated what I believe the entirety of his leisure time to what he calls "collecting evidence" against the Turkish section. His ludicrously deranged methods include stalking every high ranking Turkish member on a daily basis, going through their entire merit history, post history, thread history, even message edit history and countless other minor details, and after spending an endless amount of hours doing these, coming up with many many long posts containing the crudest lies, misinterpretations and false translations of these archives to always arrive at the same boring vacant conclusion: that everything ever done by the Turkish members is an "evidence" to a conspiracy or fraud or scam attempt or an otherwise criminal activity...What's even more surprising to me is that the undeniably hateful and racist activities by this obvious childish troll astonishingly find considerable support from some members that we previously thought to be level-headed and intellectual core forum participants; therefore leading me to very unwillingly commit the time and energy to open a flag on this matter rather than simply ignoring the few deeply disturbed trolls of the forum... I've made a special appeal to theymos and all honorable DT1 members to decisively address the issue on a recent response: Dear Theymos & well meaning DT1 members, One of the greatest threats to the well being of this forum is idle trolls like Timelord2067 who have an astonishing amount of empty leisure time on their hands, and their hidden enablers, who have a well-concealed deep seated prejudice against certain nationalities and take a sadistic pleasure in seeing certain local parts of the forum routinely disparaged and persecuted... Every allegation the nasty troll Timelord2067 raised against me and the Turkish section has been refuted with ample evidence, you can read my many responses to him in the following links: 1) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5154371.msg52300298#msg523002982) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5098623.msg52294272#msg522942723) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5178814.msg52280763#msg52280763User Timelord2067 is already on the ignore and distrust list of many Turkish users; since he has no intentions of stopping his hateful campaign of stalking, misrepresenting (with false auto translate services) and outright lying about the Turkish part of the forum, we will immediately proceed to open a flag about him now. Looking forward to the final resolution of this matter, as the most boring part of participating in this great forum for me is having to deal with hateful and completely vacant NPC trolls like him and their secret and not so secret promoters... And I hereby inform the respectable BTT community that I am opening a flag against ~Timelord2067 and will continue to tag users who like to persecute people based on their nationality or anthropological backgrounds... EDIT based on some feedback regarding flags: If historical events are any guide, I'm reasonably convinced that there is a great correlation between exhibiting irrational hate & persecution towards certain groups and committing financial crimes against them, so I believe the flag against this deeply unstable stalker called Timelord2067 is appropriate from a financial perspective as well. |
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Dear Theymos & well meaning DT1 members, One of the greatest threats to the well being of this forum is idle trolls like Timelord2067 who have an astonishing amount of empty leisure time on their hands, and their hidden enablers, who have a well-concealed deep seated prejudice against certain nationalities and take a sadistic pleasure in seeing certain local parts of the forum routinely disparaged and persecuted... Every allegation the nasty troll Timelord2067 raised against me and the Turkish section has been refuted with ample evidence, you can read my many responses to him in the following links: 1) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5154371.msg52300298#msg523002982) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5098623.msg52294272#msg522942723) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5178814.msg52280763#msg52280763User Timelord2067 is already on the ignore and distrust list of many Turkish users; since he has no intentions of stopping his hateful campaign of stalking, misrepresenting (with false auto translate services) and outright lying about the Turkish part of the forum, we will immediately proceed to open a flag about him now. Looking forward to the final resolution of this matter, as the most boring part of participating in this great forum for me is having to deal with hateful and completely vacant NPC trolls like him and their secret and not so secret promoters... |
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Hocam bu dediginiz aslında tam olarak ponzi olmuyor mu? Yola belki iyi niyetle çıkmış olabilirler ama büyük ihtimalle bızim mahallenin bakkalın dan daha iyi hesap kitaptan alıyorlardır.
Bu hesaplama hatalarına yeni çıkan kripto projelerinde sık rastlanıyor. Örneğin betting / gambling sistemlerinde bu çok oluyor, pozitif beklenen değerli oyunlar sunuyorlar, algoritmalarını düzeltene kadar oyuncular kasalarını boşaltmış oluyor iflas ediyorlar vs... TELE olayında ekibin finansal piyasalar ve arbitraj konusunda zayıf olduğu ortaya çıkıyor, bütün hesaplarını siteden 0.20 EUR üzerinden token alımı olacağına yönelik yapmışlar. Millet merkeziyetsiz piyasada 0.05 EURO'dan binlerce token alıp siteye sokunca, veya yüzlerce self referralla bedava tokenları stack yapınca ödemeleri yapamadılar, çalışan bir iş modelleri olmasına rağmen... |
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On first look 50% commission on investment profits (called divestments on the site) seems very severe, I hope you'll have a chance to review and improve on your initial terms to better serve the interests of your "bankroll" investors.
Also your site stands to gain much greater popularity if you plan to include a few more games down the line and maybe make a note of them
as well so visitors can get more engaged with your new brand, check back more frequently, etc...
Good luck on your new venture.
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Gerçekten MBA programlarında okutulması gereken dersler taşıyan bir proje oldu.
Scam falan diyip işin içinden çıkmak güzel ama 1-2 hafta öncesine kadar ekip kendisi zaten tokenlar'ı 0.20 EUR'dan satın alıyordu,
onlarca kişi bu fiyattan sattı,
Hemen akabinde kendi sitesinde 0.28 EUR'dan satıp cash out edenler oldu, ama ekibin ve özellikle CEO'nun hesaplama hataları sonucu paraları tükenince ödemeler kesildi, kural değişikliklerine gidildi ve sonuç, 80k+ kızgın, çileden çıkmış kullanıcı ve 0'a inmiş bir itibar...
Bu tamamen bir "piramid şeması" bile olsaydı, stacking ödemelerini ve koşullarını baştan mütevazi tutup daha aylarca belki senelerce para kazanmaya devam edebilirlerdi, art niyetten ziyade matematiksel hatalar TELE projesini dibe çökertti diyebiliriz şu an için...
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The fact that they constantly renegotiate the terms of service while also differentiating between the same tokens depending on where they
were purchased goes completely against the spirit of an immutable crypto currency, and even their original white paper for TELE...
Such total unprofessional behavior instigated by the CEO has cost this project the complete loss of support from about 80k really passionate community as well as obliterating their professional reputation...
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Btctalk name: VispilioLink to profile: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=982288Rank: Hero Member Current post count: 1616 Rocketpot username: Vispilio Rocketpot deposit address: 39pyqvBqFtTRFCuqje2pAg7CXYJFLstBq7 Wear appropriate signature: to be added upon acceptance Wear avatar: to be added upon acceptance Looking forward to this promising campaign. |
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Bu arada "milliyetçi" yaklaşımlar bildiğim kadarıyla yasak. Bu yüzden mümkün mertebe genel ifadeler kuralım. Herkesi seviyoruz globalde olsa ingilizcede yazsalar. Saygılar...
Doğru bir yaklaşım, DT üyelerin değerlendirmeleri forumun geneline etki ettiği için yerli yabancı ayrımı yapmadan Trust listesi oluşturulmasına dikkat ediliyor. Buna tek ekleyeceğim görüş, distrust vermek de trust vermek kadar önemli bir eylem, herkesi sevmek bu sistemin doğasına aykırı (BTT bu noktada büyük şair Mevlana Celalleddin Rumi'nin hissiyatından ayrılıyor ) Yapılanları sistem hack olarak düşünüp, istenmeyen olaylara sebebiyet verebilirler.
Lokal forumlardakiler genellikle kolektif hareket ettikleri için "System Hack" eleştirileri her zaman olabilir. Bunu önlemenin en net yolu, Türk forumuna karşı organize ve art niyetle yapılan ahlaksız hareketleri anında müsbet delillerle birlikte ifade edebilmektir. Meta'da ya da burada bunu dile getirmekten lütfen çekinmeyin, rahat olun, bana özel mesajla ulaşın hepsini ifşa etmeye hazırım. Edit: Ben lokalde takılırım çünkü yabancı dilim çok yetersiz. Listeyi de hemen hergün etkileşim içerisinde olduklarıma göre hazırladım. Tanımadığım globaldeki adamı listeye eklemem anlamsız olur. Yani her hangi bir milliyetçilik düşüncesi ile değil tamamen dil problemi nedeniyle tanıdıkları ekledim.
Emin ol İngilizcen birçok diğer lokal bölümlerdeki üyelere göre gayet iyi bro Bu arada "bu adam sadece kendi vatandaşlarını kayırıyor, evrensel felsefi düşüncelere sahip değil" tarzı eleştirileri dağıtmak için Trust ve Distrust listesinde biraz seçici davranmak, ve uluslararası değerlendirmeler yapabildiğini göstermekte büyük yarar var diye düşünüyorum, bu söylediğim DT1 ve 2 olmak isteyen arkadaşlar için tabiiki. |
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Hi owlcatz, we are trying to find out why there is an organized sabotage attempt against all high ranking Turkish members who make it into DT lists. Therefore it would help the Turkish community and the integrity of the Bitcointalk forum tremendously if you could answer the following questions (either here of just pm me if you like): 1) Why did you add more than 80% of all active Turkish members into your distrust list ?.. 2) How did you find out there was a thread on the Turkish section about Default Trust and your actions ?.. 3) Who gave you the advice that all or most Turkish members were supposed to be untrustworthy ?.. Looking forward to your sincere and honest feedback, All the Best |
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Trajik bir şekilde göğsüne aldığı bıçak darbeleriyle vefat eden, bugün bile intihar mı yoksa cinayete mi kurban gittiği tartışılan bunalımlı sanatçı Elliot Smith'ten efsane bir parça bırakıyorum: Needle in the Hayhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgNgvCLRqWc |
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hacılar bence yorum yazmak iyi olmaz diye düşünüyorum. bu sefer de "trust kısmını manipüle çılgın türkler" diye başlık açabilirler bu yüzden @wolwoo reyiz dikkatli ol. benimkisi sadece bir tahmin, belki böyle bir sıkıntı yoktur.
Bişi olmaz abi 🙂 yalan yazmıyoruz ki kişisel samimi görüşlerimi yazıyorum. Plug yapmıyorum, multi yok, banlıycaksa da ko gitsin  Yorum önemli değil beyler yorum sonraki aşama, öncelikle yapılması gereken bütün DT Türkler'e kafadan distrust bırakan psycho zihniyetli üyelerin tek tek tesbit edilip bunların hakkında Meta & Reputation'da konu açılması, bunu çok önemli buluyorum çünkü böyle manyaklar durdurulmazsa hiçbir Türk üye DT olamaz... Ben İngilizce bu konuyu açmaya hazırım, delillerle bana ulaşabilirsiniz, zaten birkaç tanesini biliyoruz. Ya tamamen kapatın Türkçe bölümü kültür olarak hiçbir Türk'e güvenemiyorsanız, ha aktif bir Türkçe bölüm olmasını istiyorsanız da DT Türk üyelere güvenin, mesele budur. NOT: yalnız bu şekilde global forumda açılacak konuya mutlaka birçok Türk üyenin de destek mesajı atması gerekir ki olayın total ırkçı boyutu ortaya çıksın |
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Yalnız goraset in sorduğu sorunun cevabını ben de duymak isterim açıkçası.
3 mesaj yukarıya bak |
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it looks a bit dodgy on 1st look, I have no idea of the Turkish language so cant be sure though - maybe some others can come and comment?
@TMAN, most people in the Turkish section have put @Timelord2067 on ignore and negative trust now, and they think he is a trolling psychopath, please don't let his obsessive nature and surprisingly long hours of stalking trick you into thinking there is any credence to his fake and utterly false vendetta. As you well know, these trolls are typically very petty people to ever admit defeat and apologize, so a great way to help them is to completely ignore them hoping they will eventually develop the free will to improve their characters and intellect. There are, undeniably, several nasty weirdos like this in the forum trying to conduct a systematic abuse against all high ranking Turkish members, and probably another thread will need to be made about them to inform @theymos and other reliable DT1 members. The fact remains that any high ranking Turkish member who ever makes it to the top 150 of these DT selections will get instantly tagged by 3-4 people that he has never interacted with. When anyone points the absurdity of this out, he will also get tagged by another 3-4 guys, in a crazy organized scheme to prevent their future participation in any Default Trust selections... I'll lock this thread for now as its main purpose has long ago been accomplished; special thanks go to @theymos and most of the high quality DT1 members for their great support. All the Best |
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Global kısımda takılmadığım için bahsettiğin kişiyi tanımam,bahsettiğin gibiyse distrustu hakeder, bugüne kadar bilipte eklememende ilginç tabi, neyse ben sorduğum soruya net cevap alamadım ama, artık takdiri forumdaki arkadaşlara bırakıyorum. Konuyu uzatmıycam , bu konudaki son postum.
o Timelord2067 denen komplocuyu yeni tanıyorum, forumda saatlerce takılmaya vaktim yok, tesadüfi olaylar sonucu son günlerde kendimizi korumak adına mecburen Meta ve Reputation'a girmiş oldum, lauda mı kaldı, herkes distrust'ı basmış kendisi de zaten bırakmış DT olaylarını, benim DT listeme de bir dahaki update'de bakarsın, kapanmış konuların peşindesin... her neyse ben zaten son olaylardan sonra Türk üyelerle birebir polemiğe girmeme kararı aldım, iyi çalışmalar. |
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Gerçek Türk düşmanı arıyorsanız işte bu adam: Timelord2067
Bana göre distrust listenize girmesi gereken 1 numaralı kişidir.
Bütün forumda gece gündüz dolanıyor @Kalemder'i, @El-Cezeri'yi, @gospodin'i, beni ve hatta eleştirdiğim kişileri bile töhmet altında bırakıcak yalan yanlış deli saçması onlarca mesaj yağdırıyor...
Timelord2067 denilen kullanıcıyı, katıksız bir manyak ve kesinlikle güvenilmez olduğu için distrust listeme ekliyorum, ve zehirli komploları sizi de bulmadan forumdaki her aklı başında insanın trust listesinde şu şekilde yer alması gerektiğini düşünüyorum:
~Timelord2067
Selamlar herkese
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