Bitcoin Forum
July 12, 2024, 09:42:25 PM *
News: Latest Bitcoin Core release: 27.0 [Torrent]
 
  Home Help Search Login Register More  
  Show Posts
Pages: « 1 ... 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 [107] 108 109 110 111 »
2121  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Where the hell is Max Kaiser and the Winkelvass twins?? on: December 07, 2013, 11:56:26 AM
Where art thou oh saviors of bitcoin?? I need some assurance!!  Huh


I put in all my savings a few weeks ago when BTC was $680... it almost doubled and now im back in the negative and it's falling FAST!! Should I panic? Anyone selling?

My gut tells me to just hold it but I have the worst luck with money and investing so i dunno... Im afraid im gonna lose everything like I did in the stock market. Im sooo glad i didnt invest my dad's money in it. Fuck what the hell is going on?? I wish Max would talk about bitcoins again Sad

If its savings then presumably its money you dont need right now. Think of it as a savings plan with a 2-5 year lock in. Over this time frame if btc succeeds you'll be minted. Dont dont dont panic sell on the 1 st sign of a correction.

Yup, I don't really need it right now and I wanted to take a chance of it growing in the next year or two. Thanks for the advice everyone. I wasn't planning to sell anyway. I'm in the new wave of BTC owners so this is my first "crash" but i've learned enough by now that this happens and a sure way to lose is to sell at a loss. I still have hopes of BTC reaching a new height in 2014.

Thanks everyone for the reassurance


Who are the "Winkelvass" twins?

Those russian twins from that movie The Social Network


2122  Economy / Speculation / Re: I keep looking at the chart every 30 mins on: December 07, 2013, 11:46:10 AM
What! don't tell me you invested those million dollars in between this crash ?


Oh my god I would have jumped off a building right now....


But i did put in all the money I had in it when it was $680ish... Haven't seen red until now, feels bad Sad

Man, you are supposed to buy at intervals, like buy 10 at 680 then 10 more at 620, like that.
And specially avoid catching a FALLING KNIFE!

I did buy 10 at $680.... that was my life savings bro. Told you I was poor

Sell quickly and cut your losses, this one goes deep...


Lol worst advice i've ever heard.. I would hold either way. I still have hopes for new heights in 2014



Oh and by the way... it's back to 750 so I'm in the green. Oh silly bitcoin!
2123  Economy / Speculation / Re: I keep looking at the chart every 30 mins on: December 07, 2013, 07:49:30 AM
i paid average $6 per coin and have taken much profit, so it doesnt hurt too bad to see the price chopped in half. it shall rise again! Cheesy


GTFO of my topic then... this thread is for cry babies only
2124  Economy / Speculation / Re: I keep looking at the chart every 30 mins on: December 07, 2013, 07:47:41 AM
What! don't tell me you invested those million dollars in between this crash ?


Oh my god I would have jumped off a building right now....


But i did put in all the money I had in it when it was $680ish... Haven't seen red until now, feels bad Sad

Man, you are supposed to buy at intervals, like buy 10 at 680 then 10 more at 620, like that.
And specially avoid catching a FALLING KNIFE!

I did buy 10 at $680.... that was my life savings bro. Told you I was poor
2125  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Where the hell is Max Kaiser and the Winkelvass twins?? on: December 07, 2013, 07:46:17 AM
Quote
So you are saying it will change the way global finance works... and it will do that by not increasing its current market cap? Just lol..

Napster changed the way file sharing works and tell me how many files did you download with napster today? How many Aliweb searches did you do today? How many lines of Smalltalk code did you write? How's Mosaic working for you? Just because a technology changes the way the world works doesn't mean it happens to be the final technology. Bitcoin could be the napster to a new CC that becomes bittorrent. Stop being stupid.

And that's why i said UNLESS SOMETHING MAJOR HAPPENS THAT KILLS BTC.... AKA BEING REPLACED BY ANOTHER CC YOU MORON



(Don't worry im just kidding)
2126  Economy / Speculation / Re: I keep looking at the chart every 30 mins on: December 07, 2013, 07:41:01 AM
What! don't tell me you invested those million dollars in between this crash ?


Oh my god I would have jumped off a building right now....


But i did put in all the money I had in it when it was $680ish... Haven't seen red until now, feels bad Sad
2127  Economy / Speculation / I keep looking at the chart every 30 mins on: December 07, 2013, 07:32:39 AM
And I cry every time  Cry





2128  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Where the hell is Max Kaiser and the Winkelvass twins?? on: December 07, 2013, 07:27:39 AM
Quote
Well in response to the other posts I DO think bitcoins are revolutionary and a series of speculative bubbles. With only 21 million coins being available and with demand increasing every year isn't it common sense that the value will go up? Granted there are no flaws and no major event that kills bitcoins (the Baidu shit can't be enough). I don't believe in all the rubbish people produce with charts showing bubbles and patterns. If there is ANY pattern/trend that is true to bitcoins, it's that the price has always been increasing

This is just shear idiocy. No there isn't a law that states the Bitcoin Network must appreciate in value. Also it can be replaced at any time by a new payment network with superior features. Do you have any data on usage and demand for coins? Do you have any data on the hoarding behavior or the users? No, you're just making an overly simplistic assumption almost as wrong as Homer's belief about stock ownership: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQI___0B00M.

Bitcoin is the first of a group of technologies that will eventually change the way global finance works. There is no law to force Bitcoin to be the technology that receives all the value. It is the first. Feathercoin with enough devs could actually beat Bitcoin.


So you are saying it will change the way global finance works... and it will do that by not increasing its current market cap? Just lol..
2129  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Where the hell is Max Kaiser and the Winkelvass twins?? on: December 07, 2013, 06:36:49 AM
Jesus man, Bitcoin is an extremely volatile investment prone to massive swings in price. Why the hell would you invest everything? We don't even have reasonable models to determine fair market value for the utility set of the Bitcoin feature set much less a rough idea. Also any change in regulation can either massive inflate or deflate the price. And what if a new CC comes out with a better feature set in reaction to something like lost fungibility? In summary, you did a very dumb thing and stop blaming other people for your mistake.


Well in response to the other posts I DO think bitcoins are revolutionary and a series of speculative bubbles. With only 21 million coins being available and with demand increasing every year isn't it common sense that the value will go up? Granted there are no flaws and no major event that kills bitcoins (the Baidu shit can't be enough). I don't believe in all the rubbish people produce with charts showing bubbles and patterns. If there is ANY pattern/trend that is true to bitcoins, it's that the price has always been increasing
2130  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Going off the Bitcoin radar on: December 07, 2013, 06:23:15 AM
I agree, I think that is the best way to go. Looking at the price all the time does nothing. And this recent "crash" is just depressing. I'm afraid it'll go down to $400-500 and just sit there for most of 2014.... At that point the temptation to sell and lose trust in bitcoins will be too much
2131  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Where the hell is Max Kaiser and the Winkelvass twins?? on: December 07, 2013, 06:17:04 AM
Where art thou oh saviors of bitcoin?? I need some assurance!!  Huh


I put in all my savings a few weeks ago when BTC was $680... it almost doubled and now im back in the negative and it's falling FAST!! Should I panic? Anyone selling?

My gut tells me to just hold it but I have the worst luck with money and investing so i dunno... Im afraid im gonna lose everything like I did in the stock market. Im sooo glad i didnt invest my dad's money in it. Fuck what the hell is going on?? I wish Max would talk about bitcoins again Sad
2132  Economy / Speculation / Re: Borrowed $1,000,000 (1 million dollars) from my dad to invest in BTC (serious) on: December 06, 2013, 08:30:56 PM
You should observe the market for a few days, don't get judgmental and end up making bad decisions.
How old are you btw


25
2133  Economy / Speculation / Re: Borrowed $1,000,000 (1 million dollars) from my dad to invest in BTC (serious) on: December 06, 2013, 07:09:30 PM
What is going on is corrective wave C. If you still want to buy, wait until it hits the bottom, but you probably won't be able to recognize it.


I have some I bought at $680 with my own money.... should I sell?
2134  Economy / Speculation / Re: Borrowed $1,000,000 (1 million dollars) from my dad to invest in BTC (serious) on: December 06, 2013, 06:48:00 PM
Sooooooo..... the price is around ~$856 right now. If i bought it last night I would have been down $200K already holy shit!


Wtf is going on?  Huh  Huh  Huh Is anyone buying?


She had them Apple Bottom jeans, them boots with Dafar...


LOLOLOL




2135  Economy / Speculation / Re: Borrowed $1,000,000 (1 million dollars) from my dad to invest in BTC (serious) on: December 06, 2013, 07:03:16 AM

Man all my threads get moved to Speculation... wtf


On another note... BTC is below $1000.... time to buy?




I currently have some BTCs in coinbase that I bought with my own money. Is it not secure? I still don't quite understand the concept of putting it in a "wallet" that resides in your harddrive.... I feel like that is more risky. What if the file accidentally gets deleted or my computer crashes?

You really need to learn the difference between paper wallets, cold software wallets, hot software wallets and online (web) wallets.
Try each in turn and perform some transactions from each with small amounts of bitcoin. Learn how to best secure and backup each of them.
Buying $1mn of bitcoins without knowing each of these important concepts in detail seems like a recipe for disaster.
Seconded... If you hold Bitcoins, you're working outside of the traditional banking systems, with all of their armed guards, massive safes, federal insurance, etc...  Online exchange companies do not operate at the same level (yet).  You need to understand how to replace all that missing stuff with sensible security before you transform that kind of cash into Bitcoin.  Read about Paper Wallets.  Grab the BitAddress.org paper wallet tool, and experiment with a small amount from your existing CoinBase account.  Do try the BIP38 pass-phrase option.  After all that, you can consider various ways to make a couple copies of your paper wallets, place them *securely*, or get a Bitcoin Firesafe, which is a metal version of a paper wallet.


Ok thanks for the links, I'm reading up on security right now





That's great chong hung, I don't really care what the fuck you think about me and whether you believe me or not

Well that's a good thing I suppose
[/quote]

I'm jk, that sounded racist but i wasn't trying to be at all
2136  Economy / Speculation / Re: Borrowed $1,000,000 (1 million dollars) from my dad to invest in BTC (serious) on: December 06, 2013, 06:46:17 AM
Wow, lots of BEARS in this topic

spoilt bastard!

Go fucking die spoiled bastard! FTFY

Go suck a dick. You have no idea who I am and whatever relationship I have with my family is none of your concern. I don't get a penny from my parents, I live on my own barely making rent. I don't even have a bed in my room, I sleep on a blanket on the floor.. that's how poverty I am right now. I am only borrowing this money. If you're jealous then that's your problem.

...
3. Depending on where you want to spend your $million, there will be a long list of sell-orders waiting for you to purchase. If you were to use sites like Coinbase, Bitstamp or Mtgox, you'll have to expect the average price per bitcoin to be up to ~5% higher than the current price for those last few hundred bitcoins of your $1million purchase. An example: A few days ago i saw someone buy out 940BTC from Mtgox. This order ate up every sell-order from $1040 all the way up to $1070, thus driving the price up $30. I would consider buying in portions. Perhaps buy ~100BTC every hour for 10 hours or so?

....


Thanks for the solid advice, I guess I'll look i'll do some more research first.

It took me a lot of convincing but I somehow managed to convince him without telling him exactly what I would do with the money.

Not sure why it was so hard, my dad would loan me 1 million dollars blind no problem  Wink

Because i don't always make the most responsible decisions, i'm not the smartest in the family by any means.. but I have balls Wink

Bitcoin always spikes in value after a media blitz via a speculative bubble, then crashes hard a few months later.  Those of us who have had their ear to the ground have seen it happen, first in May of 2011, then less so in Jan 2012, then again in August 2012.  Do NOT invest in $1 million in bitcoin unless you are prepared to lose $990,000 of it.

The recent media attention that bitcoin has received is the sole thing fueling this bubble.

....

I doubt there'll be enough sellers at any one point in time for you to drop $1 million into the market.  Dropping $1m in a day might actually cause the speculative bubble to burst, since you'd spike the value so quickly that the speculators will panic-sell.

....


1. I get what you're saying but if the price "always" follows history everyone would be rich. Following charts and comparing "bubbles" only for delusional investors who think they are smart enough to beat the system. My guess is just as good as yours.

2. So you are saying that in a $12 billion market cap my $1 million will affect the price enough to cause panic selling?

Now it is a good time to buy, but don't all in at once

why not? it would drive the value up for all of us. he could let us know when he's buying, so after he puts in his buy order, we could sell and then buy it back when it bottoms out  Grin

Go fuck yourself, why would I tell you if y'all trying to screw me like that

.............

What I can do, is keep your coins in cold storage where no online hacker can steal it. Think of it as offshore safe deposit box, except I generate a completely random private key and bitcoin address(es) for you, print it on paper, then store it in a safe place.

..............

Get the fuck out of here if you think I would even consider doing this... lol

Roughly the equivalent of borrowing money from your dad to put it all on roulette in Vegas.

If you can't afford to pay your dad back (which is sounds like you can't), you're scum.

How is gambling in Vegas the same as investing in something revolutionary? Please explain.

And yes, if I can't pay him back I am scum.

Wow.  You are fortunate to have a wealthy father that is willing to give you this opportunity.

Yes it is risky.  Start-ups are risky investments too.  Having started a business that failed I know first hand how they can go. Wink  Bitcoin has been much more profitable and we put WAY less money into it than we did our business.  Wish we had the money for BTC now, but oh well.  Life works out that way sometimes.

I think it is a gutsy move but all signs are pointing towards an amazing 2014.  My advice would be that as soon as the price that you paid for your BTC doubles, just pull out your initial investment and pay your dad back then you will have $1,000,000 in free BTC at that point!  Pretty cool!  

I would talk to an accountant too and figure out the best way to do that too.  There are some long term capital gain laws that carry into next year it appears that can put you at 0% if your annual income is in the lower brackets.  I am in no way qualified to give tax advice though so please consult a professional on this.  (Have to put a disclaimer here Wink)

 Kiss Kiss  Cheesy Cheesy

Oh heavenly blessed beauty whose beauty is so divine and everlasting... We could have been together baby. We coulda been in the topics sippin on piņa coladas...or go to the slums where killas get hung shawty I could take you there. But you had to get married before we met Sad

1,000,000 is enough money to retire on. Talk to someone who knows something about investing and have him set you up with a solid portfolio. You should be able to withdraw 40k-70k a year. With that type of money you can coast, travel, pursue any interest or hobby. Congratulations you have freedom. Don't fuck it up by dumping it all in bitcoin.

Slow down and think.

lol wut? 40-70k a year...fuck that.  This is not my money dude. I can't retire on my dad's money and live off interest

If you look through ops post history you'll discover quite quickly that he's a pathological lying troll.

That's great chong hung, I don't really care what the fuck you think about me and whether you believe me or not
2137  Economy / Speculation / Re: Borrowed $1,000,000 (1 million dollars) from my dad to invest in BTC (serious) on: December 06, 2013, 12:48:25 AM
Hi Dafar,

Well done with securing that arrangement with your father.

1. I (personally) do not think this is "stupid" concept.  Note this is my opinion and does not reflect the views of ANX.HK.
2. With appropriate verification, we can offer you generous limits which would satisfy your requirements.
3. [I have sent you a private message]
4. I unfortunately do not specialize in US taxes, though we may have to cautious of the FATCA regime next year, for our US customers.  Right now however there is no regulatory obligations on our behalf.

Cheers,
Asia Nexgen - Your Bitcoin Connection
ANX.HK


Anyone know if this dude is legit? I feel like I'm being scammed.

Well, taking you at your word, I'll say this much, before you buy $1m worth of bitcoin with your dad's money (if you end up deciding to actually do this), you better be goddamn sure you know how to secure bitcoins.

I currently have some BTCs in coinbase that I bought with my own money. Is it not secure? I still don't quite understand the concept of putting it in a "wallet" that resides in your harddrive.... I feel like that is more risky. What if the file accidentally gets deleted or my computer crashes?


Haha, if you are not trolling congrats on having the capital.  HOWEVER don't just put it all in, buy slowly and even look into buying on here with trusted users, not to inflate the price.  You don't want to lose more than you can afford to.

If I were in your shoes, I wouldn't invest the million.  Why not try at 100k, have you ever thought of getting into trading?  Spend some on professional training to become a better trader.  Also don't lie to your Dad about it, he has put trust in you for this startup, why not think of actually setting up a startup?  Hell, you could even buy some btc in bulk and set up a site to sell it like bittylicious or even on here.

A lot of people would love to be in your shoes, but not if you lose value.  1 million in BTC can very quickly see higher losses as well as profits.  Think this through, take the advice of others and make your own decision.

best of luck  Smiley  


I don't really want to day trade, like I said, I rather buy at the price it is now before it slowly starts going up..... not only is that lost profit but it would make it more likely that the price will go down. Right now I feel like it has to at least surpass where we already were. Of course no one knows but it's just my gut feeling.

Why not invest in a startup? I have nothing in mind... no opportunities at all. BTC might be the only way I will "make it big" in life. I feel bad about lying to him but if I actually make a lot of profit I can tell him the truth and he will forgive me.
2138  Economy / Speculation / Borrowed $1,000,000 (1 million dollars) from my dad to invest in BTC (serious) on: December 06, 2013, 12:23:51 AM
I promised him I will return the money to him by the end of 2014 with an extra $100k (10% interest). It took me a lot of convincing but I somehow managed to convince him without telling him exactly what I would do with the money. He thinks it's for a start up. I did not tell him that I'm gonna throw it all into bitcoins because I'm not exactly sure he understands or knows about it too much. If he found out about the price volatility of bitcoins I really doubt he would let me invest. But I am pretty confident that the price will at least rise up above where it is now before it crashes (if it does crash). I really think it would at least go back to where it was (~$1240/btc) at its highest point once more before going down for good. That would at least be a nice ~$200k profit and I feel like it's almost guaranteed.


Which brings me to my questions...

1. Am I being really stupid and optimistic to think this way? How much of a chance/risk do you think it is for the price to not go up any higher in 2014? IMO, it almost seems guaranteed the price will at least hit $1200-$1300/btc sometime next year.... or is there a risk that I'm not aware of?

2. I have a coinbase account and it only lets me buy a max of 50 BTC at a time. Is there a place where I can buy as many as I want w/o any limits?

3. Will I even be able to buy $1mil worth of BTCs? Does it depend on who's selling right at the moment I'm trying to buy some? How does this work?

4. Will I have to pay taxes on capital gains? I don't wanna pay shit to the US gov, how would they know how much I made off BTCs?





I'm thinking of putting an automatic sell order right when BTCs hit $1500 in 2014.... is that too high or should I put a lower limit? I want to guarantee some profit before I get too greedy and potentially lose my dad's money. I figured if I sell at $1500 it would be a nice $400k profit for me, I could quit my job and chill in Miami and Ibiza for a year until I need money again.


Serious advice only please, I'm not fucking trolling
2139  Economy / Speculation / Re: If I wanted to be BORED to death I would just invest in the stock market on: December 05, 2013, 02:23:16 PM
1 more BTC bought!  Wink
2140  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Last year I had 3K litecoins and sold them for $5.. now they are worth $90,000!? on: December 05, 2013, 05:23:51 AM
Yeah, sucks to be you
Pages: « 1 ... 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 [107] 108 109 110 111 »
Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.19 | SMF © 2006-2009, Simple Machines Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!