As I said, because of the complexity of the physics of the universe, even if there were multiple entities who together created the universe, they still would need to work as One, or the universe wouldn't work. The entities would not be the God of the universe. They might be gods or lords in the sense of having some strength or control, but they would not and could not be the God of the universe, simply because of the complexity we see in all things. God is One.  The universe is complex indeed but nothing in your argument proves that it is so complex that if different beings created they would have to be one and not many. You are just making that up right now. They just need to work together, they don't need to be one, a whole alien race could have made our universe and nothing in your argument can prevent me from saying that. Can you prove an alien race didn't create our universe? It fits because the universe is really complex so it had to be made by a few beings, only 1 wouldn't be enough to create this complexity. Alien race created the universe simply because the complexity is too much and one single being wouldn't be able to do it. The proof is in the car corporations. An alien race? Now you are grasping at figments.  Yes, entropy shows the universe had a beginning, cause and effect is in everything and complexity shows the universe is too complex, an advanced alien race outside the universe must have created it, the universe is too complex only for 1 being to create it. It's obvious. |
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According to the bible, the world and universe are about 6 to 10k years old at most. Obviously science has shown they are much older so that's already a big mistake. Badecker believes in creationism yet there is literally 0 evidence for it. He might think all the evidence we have for evolution is wrong but he doesn't even have 1 piece of evidence for his claim.
I see. 6000 years is a hard one to defend! Even with skill there are just too many things past that age. Wonder what the take on dinosaurs is then? All those bones and not one older than 6000 years? Even if c14 method is a bit off, it should be a lot off to account for this timeframe. The only clear place where we see 6,000 years is the Bible. Other literature or ideas are not clear on the 6,000-year point. And even the Bible was not meant to be a historical record that shows 6,000 years, even though it does. How does the Bible show 6,000 years to, say, 6,200 years (not 10,000)? Indirectly. Here is the link that shows how the Bible does it - http://www.albatrus.org/english/theology/creation/biblical_age_earth.htm. Now, here is the important part that folks seem to not get. In verse 2 of Genesis 1, the ancient Hebrew for the word "was" (הָיְתָ֥ה) can, also, be translated as "became," even though such translation is not popular. If "became" were used, the picture would change entirely to a heavens and earth that that was created some (possibly great) time before the earth became formless and void, and that this "era" was started about 6,000 years ago. In other words, an understanding of disruption of the physics of the pre-beginning universe is plausible. The beginning spoken of, might only be the beginning of this era of created things, where God made a new universal physics, the physics of the universe we have today. Yet, some of the old physics remains embedded in the new. And that is why we understand such a variety of possible ages for the universe. Present universal physics is not the same as it was prior to about 6,000 years ago. And 6,000 years ago was when the new beginning started, even though the old beginning was an indeterminable time prior to the new beginning. At this point, in this thread, I'll not go into why and how the universe physics was changed, but there is evidence in the Bible for such. Regarding the C-14 point, there is evidence in the Bible that C-14 was not in existence on earth before the Great Flood, which the Bible link, above, shows came about roughly 4,500 years ago. (If there happened to be some pre-4,500-year-ago C-14, it was in such limited quantities that we could never know for sure which C-14 we were working with. And that would further complicate accurate time measurement.) The bible is evidence that people who wrote it knew nothing about the world. https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Biblical_scientific_errors It's proven that the bible is simply wrong on almost anything. Morals, science, history. God from the bible is proven beyond a doubt to be false. |
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''The complexity of the universe is so great that they have to act as One to make the universe.'' Prove it, how did you calculate ''how'' complex the universe is? And how do you determine whether they need to act ''as one'' in order to create it.
LOL! You are so silly. It's like you want me to prove something to you that you wouldn't accept as proof even when I DID prove it to you. Rather, go to the places that the proofs exist... all the science researchers around the world. If you talk to one while he is at the bar on his night off with a load of drinks inside him, you just might get him to say that the universe is not complex. But in that case, you could get him to say just about anything else, as well.
''they would be making different forms of physics that would not seamlessly work together.'' You are saying that like they can't talk to each other, I can build a house with other 10 people just fine, we communicate with each other, we have ideas and we can work together, in the end we are still 11 people, all different, not ''one''.
The difference is the universe. We don't understand anything outside of the universe. So, if God is more than one, with regard to the universe, he is still One. And it is the universe that we understand, not things outside it. It would be like saying that we didn't know what the 10 people building the house were like at all. But with regard to the house, they worked as one so that the house fit together perfectly. And, that is all we know about them. One built the house, by the looks of the way the house fit together.
Also, the definition of god is not ''different entities working together as one'' so you can't really use that one either.
You got it. God is One. That's what I have been trying to get across to you all along. Since you know it, why all the blabber?
You are fried badecker, you are not even trying...
Since I am way smarter than you, if I am fried, you are the ash of a crispy critter.  Your argument has become, they are working as one, therefore they must be considered one, pathetic. No badecker, your argument shows nothing about the creator of the universe. You literally said we know nothing about what's outside of the universe, we don't even if something can exist outside the universe, how can you claim your god did it then? Nothing rules out the possibility, as I said, of multiple gods doing it, you keep using a childish argument with no basis, If they worked together they must be one, lmao, no they don't. It's a fucking simple concept and you are extremely delusional. The fact is that as you again said, we don't know what can be outside the universe, your argument offers no answer to that either. You claim it's a god, I claim it's an alien race, how do you know which one it is? As I said, because of the complexity of the physics of the universe, even if there were multiple entities who together created the universe, they still would need to work as One, or the universe wouldn't work. The entities would not be the God of the universe. They might be gods or lords in the sense of having some strength or control, but they would not and could not be the God of the universe, simply because of the complexity we see in all things. God is One. The universe is complex indeed but nothing in your argument proves that it is so complex that if different beings created they would have to be one and not many. You are just making that up right now. They just need to work together, they don't need to be one, a whole alien race could have made our universe and nothing in your argument can prevent me from saying that. Can you prove an alien race didn't create our universe? It fits because the universe is really complex so it had to be made by a few beings, only 1 wouldn't be enough to create this complexity. Alien race created the universe simply because the complexity is too much and one single being wouldn't be able to do it. |
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''The complexity of the universe is so great that they have to act as One to make the universe.'' Prove it, how did you calculate ''how'' complex the universe is? And how do you determine whether they need to act ''as one'' in order to create it.
LOL! You are so silly. It's like you want me to prove something to you that you wouldn't accept as proof even when I DID prove it to you. Rather, go to the places that the proofs exist... all the science researchers around the world. If you talk to one while he is at the bar on his night off with a load of drinks inside him, you just might get him to say that the universe is not complex. But in that case, you could get him to say just about anything else, as well.
''they would be making different forms of physics that would not seamlessly work together.'' You are saying that like they can't talk to each other, I can build a house with other 10 people just fine, we communicate with each other, we have ideas and we can work together, in the end we are still 11 people, all different, not ''one''.
The difference is the universe. We don't understand anything outside of the universe. So, if God is more than one, with regard to the universe, he is still One. And it is the universe that we understand, not things outside it. It would be like saying that we didn't know what the 10 people building the house were like at all. But with regard to the house, they worked as one so that the house fit together perfectly. And, that is all we know about them. One built the house, by the looks of the way the house fit together.
Also, the definition of god is not ''different entities working together as one'' so you can't really use that one either.
You got it. God is One. That's what I have been trying to get across to you all along. Since you know it, why all the blabber?
You are fried badecker, you are not even trying...
Since I am way smarter than you, if I am fried, you are the ash of a crispy critter. Your argument has become, they are working as one, therefore they must be considered one, pathetic. No badecker, your argument shows nothing about the creator of the universe. You literally said we know nothing about what's outside of the universe, we don't even if something can exist outside the universe, how can you claim your god did it then? Nothing rules out the possibility, as I said, of multiple gods doing it, you keep using a childish argument with no basis, If they worked together they must be one, lmao, no they don't. It's a fucking simple concept and you are extremely delusional. The fact is that as you again said, we don't know what can be outside the universe, your argument offers no answer to that either. You claim it's a god, I claim it's an alien race, how do you know which one it is? |
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They are against God. How can you trust people with no God.
How can you trust people with a god? They act not out of morals, but out of fear of eternal torture. Do what I say, OR BURN! I trust the atheist - he is good because he is good. So, you have a religion of ripping people off by trying to get them to think that atheists are good. As an Atheist you wouldn't have any external incentive to be good. You have ''incentives'' to not be bad, which is the law and the fact that you can get punished for it. When it comes to doing good, though, you aren't good just because god tells you or because you want to go to heaven, you are good because you are, which is far better. |
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Posting this to confirm that I joined the signature campaign and to follow this thread.
EDIT: Signature doesn't look good. (unfit)
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After I took AP Bio, I keep wondering how people believe that all this order in our universe was created out of coincidence, how everything perfectly fits together, how every molecule of protein is needed, or something terrible would happen to us if it were missing.
Honestly, God's helped me a lot, and there's no way that I'd ever turn my back to what he's helped me through, or what he's done for me.
Just the fact that you have a soul, and that you're not a robot.
Millions of our cells die all the time, your argument is pathetic. What does it mean when you say ''coincidence''? You simply don't understand that concept. ''Just the fact that you have a soul'' Having a soul is now a fact? Science proved souls? |
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There are tons of other things, notably the age of the earth and universe. You can estimate the age of earth/universe to be around 6-10k years old based on the bible, science has proven that the age of the earth and specially the universe is far faaaar older.
All these scientifically measured things are guestimations that have no true, known basis in fact. Maybe, don't care too much about those. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg41361504#msg41361504 Here where I destroyed and debunked your argument, that's the real thread, you didn't respond, you don't have much else to say, do you? Rip badecker. So, what are you really trying to say? That General Motors or Ford is not a single entity? Or that the people working therein are not entities? Even if God is made up of multiple entities (scientifically speaking), they aren't God until they act as One. The complexity of the universe is so great that they have to act as One to make the universe. If they were not One, they would be making different forms of physics that would not seamlessly work together. But we do not find such seamlessness anywhere in the universe. One God; God is One. How in the world backward are you in your thinking? If there are 5 people designing and making pistons for the same cylinder of a car engine, the diameter of the pistons must fit the cylinder or the engine won't work. To make the right size, they have to work together as one regarding their piston making. ''The complexity of the universe is so great that they have to act as One to make the universe.'' Prove it, how did you calculate ''how'' complex the universe is? And how do you determine whether they need to act ''as one'' in order to create it. ''they would be making different forms of physics that would not seamlessly work together.'' You are saying that like they can't talk to each other, I can build a house with other 10 people just fine, we communicate with each other, we have ideas and we can work together, in the end we are still 11 people, all different, not ''one''. Also, the definition of god is not ''different entities working together as one'' so you can't really use that one either. You are fried badecker, you are not even trying... |
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Don't worry you got your stakes. |
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just think deeper, if the surface of the earth is flat then where the gravity came from. think wise and stop creating topic like this.
He did not create this thread for the wise people - he created it to troll for attention. He knows the earth is a globe - he just doesn't get love at home. :/ Do you honestly still think he is trolling? He might have trolled so hard that he ended up believing his own lies. |
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thank you for reply
Rofl, these people, thank you for your reply? So you knew you were copy pasting shit and yet you still came here to waste time. What's wrong with you? |
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Ignore him, that guy literally only posts random youtube videos, I don't know how is he not banned yet. |
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A beautiful lunar eclipse, from our flat Earth.  Eclipses are also holographic projections |
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The Earth is a ball, obviously rotating around the sun and moon around the earth and planets around the sun. All these things can be observed with telescopes, Consider this, according to the world-spinning world theory spins on its axis 360 ° every 24 hours and makes one revolution around the Sun every 365 days. If we start counting the day at midnight after 180 days the Sun will be high in the sky at midnight.
You start off by stating Earth is a ball as if it's a fact, implying that heavy balls in the sky are the only possible interpretation of the lights being viewed through the telescope. You then go on to mention that it's a just a theory and provide a mathematical argument that seems to disprove the ball theory. It does in fact seem that the globe has literally ventured into Time Cube™ territory to remain consistent with observation. The globalist party has to claim that the Earth experiences two simultaneous rotations on the same axis at the same time i.e., a 24h rotation vs. the Sun ( solar time), and a 23h 56m rotation vs. the Stars ( sidereal time). The following comes to mind when pondering this bizarre claim: "Doublethink is the act of simultaneously accepting two mutually contradictory beliefs as correct, often in distinct social contexts. Doublethink is related to, but differs from, hypocrisy and neutrality. Also related is cognitive dissonance, in which contradictory beliefs cause conflict in one's mind. Doublethink is notable due to a lack of cognitive dissonance—thus the person is completely unaware of any conflict or contradiction.
George Orwell created the word doublethink in his dystopian novel Nineteen Eighty-Four (published in 1949); doublethink is part of newspeak. In the novel, its origin within the typical citizen is unclear; while it could be partly a product of Big Brother's formal brainwashing programmes, the novel explicitly shows people learning doublethink and newspeak due to peer pressure and a desire to 'fit in', or gain status within the Party—to be seen as a loyal Party Member. In the novel, for someone to even recognize—let alone mention—any contradiction within the context of the Party line was akin to blasphemy, and could subject that person to disciplinary action and to the instant social disapproval of fellow Party Members." -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doublethink The contradiction here if I'm correct in my analysis is, the sidereal day doesn't account for Earth's claimed motion around the Sun i.e. it fails to account for this motion so as to remain consistent with observation, while the solar day does take the motion into account so it can also remain consistent with observation. With a flat and motionless Earth the lights of the Sun and Stars are projected separately onto the the dome and there's no contradiction. Reference: Time Cube™ with it's simultaneous four days & nights would in this case be be an example of quadruplethink. Clearly this is the authors attempt to show the hippocracy of the scientific establishment by espousing a ridiculous theory built using their own flawed logic. "Time Cube was a personal web page operated by self-proclaimed 'wisest man on earth' Dr. Otis Eugene 'Gene' Ray, founded in 1997. It served as a self-publishing outlet for Ray's theory of everything, called 'Time Cube', which claims that all current sciences are part of a worldwide conspiracy to teach people lies; the theory's ultimate truth (and what the conspirators are said to be covering up) is that each day actually consists of four days. Alongside these statements Ray described himself as a 'godlike being with superior intelligence who has absolute evidence and proof' for his views. Ray claimed that the 'academia' has not taken Time Cube seriously." -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_CubeConsidering you can literally see the earth rotating, yeah, it's a fact. |
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Evolution is a hoax. I had to go to page 1 of this thread to see what the original question was for this thread. “Why there are still monkeys around if they were part of our evolutionary beginnings”. Which is a rather easy question? Romans coins, in the millions, are also around, despite not being used for 1500 some years. Evolution is a hoax according to you. We spend 150 some pages of post arguing about that. I try and turn it around. If evolution is a hoax, how does it all work according to you? What is instead of evolution? creation?, limited evolution?, adoption?, something else? Are we carved in stone, all species? I have seen the number 6000 years several times in this thread, what is this number? Where does it come from, and what meaning does it have? Is it to be understood that nothing was before that time? According to the bible, the world and universe are about 6 to 10k years old at most. Obviously science has shown they are much older so that's already a big mistake. Badecker believes in creationism yet there is literally 0 evidence for it. He might think all the evidence we have for evolution is wrong but he doesn't even have 1 piece of evidence for his claim. |
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I am sure that there is something above us, more powerful and wise, and our religions are very far from understanding God
I can agree with that, yes. If there is something above us like some sort of god, religions are certainly not even close to define it correctly, no one is, science isn't either. That's a big IF, though. |
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