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2121  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: 1080Ti Specific - Best mining option on: September 21, 2017, 08:38:21 AM
@VoskCoin , looks like you are having the same issue I was.. after hours of troubleshooting it looks like its my motherboard.. two of the PCIe x1 slots are causing issues when they are plugged in to the entire board, but if I avoid those 2 pci e slots (the 2 between the main pci e x16) it works perfect but I cant run all 5 cards. going to call MSI tomorrow

https://imgur.com/a/EGCVE <- the 2 empty pci e x1 slots are the ones causing the issues.. if any GPU is plugged into them it causes all of the GPUs to run like crap and crash.

 Are you running a PVMe type SSD on that motherboard?
 Also, a lot of boards disable or reduce lanes to some *physical* x16 slots if you use one or more of the x1 slots on them.

2122  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Coins that can be HDD mined? on: September 21, 2017, 08:35:49 AM
Under current conditions, a single 8TB (actually 7.27 or some such FORMATTED) Seagate Expansion drive (usually the Seagate Archive 8TB internally) will pull in ballpark 450 BURST/month for perhaps $6 a month.

 ALL of the calculators are optimistic by quite a bit, due to how the BURST "network" is measured and an inherent flaw in that method - I generally take the figure any calculator comes up with and estimate I MIGHT get as high as 2/3ds (more commonly closer to 60%) of the amount the calculator comes up with.

 ANY size HD will work, but IMO anything under 1TB isn't worth bothering with any more.



So the ROI is more than a year?

 More like 2 and a half years under current conditions.

 Might be able to drop that some if you buy refurbished drives - but HGST is about the only brand I would trust refurbs on at all and even THERE it's iffy.

2123  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN]CureCoin - CURECOIN TEAM HAS TAKEN RANK 1 ON FOLDING@HOME!!! on: September 20, 2017, 08:24:18 AM
Goodbye.

 Vorshalk's "farm" is killing profitability on both CureCoin AND Foldingcoin, which I classify as ABUSE BY A DEVELOPER and am not willing to put up with any more.

 This is NOT going to "increase the price of the coin" - the SAME number of coins still get generated, they STILL end up getting spent - "donating them to charity" just means the CHARITY ends up spending them at which point they're right back into circulation.

 The ONLY effect of this massive farm is to KILL PROFITABILITY FOR THOSE OF US PARTICIPATING IN BOTH PROJECTS.


 If he really wanted to increase the price of the coin, he'd put the $100,000 (OR MORE, since he said he was using rigs with ONE GPU PER RIG) into BUYING CURECOIN instead - which WOULD increase the price of the coin, and if he then HELD ON to the Curecoin he bought it would also reduce the supply FOR REAL helping prop the price up.


 I am also starting to wonder VERY SERIOUSLY where he is getting the money to BUILD this farm - he's not like Ed Olkkola who is KNOWN to have a high-pay type job as an executive for an "investment banker" type company and has built his farm up over years.



 I can see it being reasonable for a Developer of a coin to have a FEW rigs for testing with.
 100+ RIGS that are eating over 10% of the profitability of the coin AND STILL GROWING IN NUMBER AND PROFITABILITY KILLING is not reasonable by ANY standard.


2124  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: USB Bitcoin miners on a laptop? on: September 20, 2017, 08:15:51 AM
Serious miners are not DESIGNED to be "carried around" - they're too power-hungry and need RELIABLE internet.

 If you insist on a "carry around" concept, your best bet will probably be the Futurebit Moonlander II once he gets more of those available for sale - it's based on a current-gen efficient mining chip (unlike ANYTHING ELSE of a "portable" nature right now), it's just that "stick" miners are ALWAYS expensive per hash.

 The first-generation Moonlander would be the next-best option (they are still profitable at low electric costs, though the cost per hash is of course high).

 Anything else that is at all portable is going to be a money LOSER except perhaps on FREE electric.

 Sidehack (Gekkoscience) has been talking about putting together some BitFury based gear based on THEIR current-gen mining chip, but hasn't gotten to it yet.




2125  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Gridcoin (GRC) - first coin utilizing BOINC - Official Thread on: September 20, 2017, 08:10:24 AM

Btw, with your mag out of the network stake weight it probably got easier for small researchers to stake with V8 Smiley

 No clue what you mean by that?

With the previous stake engine researchers with high mag brought the difficulty (and thus approximated network stake weight) way way up due to the mag stake multiplication issue. This made it harder for small researchers to stake since they were not only competing against the large holders but also the multiplied large maggers. If that makes sense.


 OK, I can see that as being a good thing for the smaller participants in a way, but having to have YEARS worth of their average monthly earnings tied up "staking" just to get a payout once a month or so for the small folks STILL seems like a very bad idea and contradictory to the CORE stated intent of Gridcoin to "support BOINC research".

2126  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Sixth alt coin thread I forgot to mod last thread. on: September 20, 2017, 08:06:21 AM
I have taken off the ETH farm off from ZEN to Nicehash since its paying higher and get BTC in return.

Which Nicehash miner are you using out of interest?
The legacy one?
I've been mining Zen lately too but it's not paying much. Might cross to the dark side and look at Nicehash too... Sad

 If you're going to try Nicehash, Legacy is the way to go.

 Their new 2.0 stuff is not ready for serious usage, too many issues with it so far.

 Keep in mind though that Nicehash only exists for Windows (except for their ZEC-specific miner that is badly outperformed by EWBF and Claymore now).

2127  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Sixth alt coin thread I forgot to mod last thread. on: September 20, 2017, 08:04:16 AM
I mine Zen on zhash.pro and my pattern looks like this:


The averages shown are pretty much spot on with what EWBF is telling me.  I run 13x 1080Ti with moderate overclocks on both Core and RAM.  Also got a pair of 1070s similarly clocked.  I have only been mining on this pool since the 14th.
and @ citronick

my rigs on zec
https://zcash.flypool.org/miners/t1WRoxHVh8vhDJxAr6vpP4zzj3xHGF9ZbgQ
2x 1080 ti & 1070 mini on the same luckpool  diff address / diff rig
https://luckpool.org/workers/znWcPtNkPCj6VfLRfMhf6i44DvHoeEfNbcd
same style rig at minez zone
https://minez.zone/workers/zngoZCdezZLWvkZkTPg42rePGG46JLs63H5

can you do a trace ping  -- yeah I noticed yours touches zero which is odd -- do you have a high ms hash submission? too many stale?
Could you explain exactly what that is and how to do it? I don't believe so, everything reads out pretty accurate which is what I don't understand. .
  ping the pool

bing search
how to ping a website


Second Summary.
Open Command Prompt or Terminal.
Enter the Ping command.
Press Enter to see your ping output.
Read the first line to see what the command is doing.
Read the body of the output to see how long it took the address to respond.
Read the summary.

http://www.wikihow.com/Ping-an-IP-Address


 I think he was actually asking for a traceroute, but not sure.
2128  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: ASRock Fatal1ty 990fx killer Help Please on: September 20, 2017, 07:55:54 AM
Sometimes you have to install one card, let Windows find drivers for it and install them, reboot, install a second card, etc.

 I've seen that mentioned a few places, but never ran into it myself - but it's not riser-rig specific.

2129  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: New Crypto Multi Algorithm Currency Miners - Up To ETH 15 GH/S, DASH 50 GH/S on: September 19, 2017, 09:27:11 PM
One would think that these scam sites would at least come up with something for a picture other than a 15-20 YEAR OLD SERVER CASE DESIGN for their so-called miner.

 Yes, I HAVE cases that look like the White variant on that exact design - that are 18+ years old (not sure if they're 20 yet, it's close).

2130  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ask] Phantomminer 450TH/s on: September 19, 2017, 09:18:03 PM
At least the NAME is somewhat honest this time.

 PHANTOM miner?

 8-O

2131  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: If Core had to hard fork and use another mining algorithm, what would it be? on: September 19, 2017, 09:12:10 PM
Any coin that "regularly changed it's algo" would be cutting it's OWN throat - users are NOT going to tolerate the disruption of having their coins become UNAVAILABLE on a regular basis due to algo-forced wallet changes and NO MINER HASHRATE TO CONFIRM TRANSACTIONS during these changeovers.

It could be implemented in way that wouldn't involve huge breaks in the hashrate, so I would forget about that angle

 I would NOT forget about it.

 As soon as you change the algorithm, you have most or ALL of your miners suddenly not mining 'till they change the mining software.

 (edit) and if it's an ASIC-based algorithm like the SHA256 used on Bitcoin you have lost your hashrate and ability to process a significant number of transactions for a VERY LONG TIME since the miners CAN'T just "change their software".



2132  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Sixth alt coin thread I forgot to mod last thread. on: September 19, 2017, 09:10:23 PM
@philipma1957  thats an excellent picture and yes its pitched like that but less of a slant around 50% less slant

I cant risk any gap under the garage door because of the sound of the miners fans and all, Its alreay loud as hell outside with only 10 or so rigs and my goal is for
a bunch of Asics and some more rigs so the less sound the better since this area is residential and metal thieves everywhere here


 Standard gable-type fans just under the roof should work - and less worries about leakage.


wont you have to still open holes in the roof? I still need a roofer and an electrician to install the fans , I wonder how much it costs to install 8 fans lol and two with curbs

 Gable fans are designed to mount in a wall - they'd go right UNDER the eves, no need to go through the roof at all.

 Still have to get them wired though - but they're typically 110 and not many amps per (might be 2 or 3 I think for some of the HIGH flow ones?).

 They're sometimes called "attic fans".

2133  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: What will happen to the chinese BTC miners ? on: September 19, 2017, 09:01:27 PM
Hopefully, we all just watch the market and see a bunch of mining rigs from China go on sale Cheesy $$$

But I did hear recently from a couple of forums and an article that the Chinese government was toying with the idea of licensing out Crypto traders and miners. Just like in the US, to carry certain firearms, you have to have a permit; in China, you would have to have a license to trade or mine crypto. This idea seems like more of an attempt to keep the money from illegal use rather than ban the coins outright. Excellent idea down the road, but as of right now it's a bit frustrating

 They talk about "illegal use" as a worry, but their REAL worry is "capital flight out of China".

2134  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Claymore's ZCash AMD GPU Miner v12.6 (Windows/Linux) on: September 19, 2017, 09:00:01 PM
Any coin using the same algorithm as ZCash should be mineable by any "ZCash" mining software.

 Just need to point at the correct pool or wallet for THAT coin.

2135  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Best GPU's to mine ZCASH with? on: September 19, 2017, 08:56:42 PM
Quote

 Well under 5 cents / kwh all-up.

 There's a REASON I spent most of a month last summer moving from Iowa to "The Land Of Very Very Cheap Electric" in Central Washington.

 And yes, the Aorus are bloody huge 3-slot cards - been a while since folks MADE cards that huge (I have a HIS IceQ blower model HD 7870 that is ALSO 3-slot, but only the BLOWER area is that wide).

 They're no worse than some of the other cards out there - at least one Zotac model and at least one MSI model are JUST as huge.

 They have awesome cooling though for air-cooled.



That's a great rate. Is that residential or commercial rate?

 Small business commercial rate, but the residential rate here is almost identical.

 I'm going to end up finding out soon what all of my cards are capable of - Vorshalk's recent decision to deploy a BLOODY HUGE FARM (he's one of the CureCoin developers) have ticked me off enough AND have dropped my income to the point I am no longer willing to suffer through the issues with those 2 coins any more - OR try to compete with a BOTTOMLESS WALLET DEV screwing over the rest of us that have been participating in those coins for a long time.

 I don't mind competing with others for my coin - but having a DEVELOPER go out of his way to kill profitabilty by well over 10% *SO FAR AND STILL GETTING WORSE* is just not acceptable.


2136  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Gridcoin (GRC) - first coin utilizing BOINC - Official Thread on: September 19, 2017, 08:50:07 PM

Btw, with your mag out of the network stake weight it probably got easier for small researchers to stake with V8 Smiley

 No clue what you mean by that?

Unlike Curecoin/Foldingcoin (where one of the DEVELOPERS is actively working to depress the profitability through his actions to the point of driving folders AWAY including ME over the next couple days), I'm still active in Gridcoin/BOINC.

 I wonder how Moo folks would feel if I pointed my Folding farm at BOINC for a few days..... 9-)

2137  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: 7nm miner thread on: September 19, 2017, 08:46:12 PM
To be picky, the original transistor (and many original diodes) were point-contact devices.

 Reliability of those wasn't particularly impressive though, folks LOVED junction-type transistors when those started showing up as commercial production parts.

 Germanium still gets used even today in some signal processing and radio usage for detection diodes, but much less so then in the past as AM and SSB modulation has largely been replaced by phase and frequency modulation techniques.

2138  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Antminer D3 profitability (November batch) UK on: September 19, 2017, 08:35:43 PM
It depends on what other options you have, your power costs, and other factors I can't speak to.

 In MY situation, I didn't consider it worth buying past about the first batch (that I couldn't get into) as I have other options that I think will earn me more money for the same level of investment.

 In YOUR situation, I can't say because I don't KNOW your situation or your preferences.



Well, my situation is,  i am a UK Resident and my electricity rates is around 0.24 usd per kwh. Currently I am sharing electricity bill with 3 other family members so i don't have the burden of paying it all myself.

 Ack! Crazy high electric cost!

 You're going to have a hard time being profitable on ANYTHING at that electric rate.

2139  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: what is a good coin to mine with cpu on: September 19, 2017, 08:34:25 PM


 Tell that to the folks running Threadripper or Epyc CPUs.

 9-)


 The huge hashrates you see out of some Xeon based machines are usually multi-CPU and need to be divided by the number of CPUs - then factor in that any Xeon that manages more hashrate than the AMD Ryzen 1800x is a MUCH MORE EXPEN$IVE CPU that on a cost-basis comparison should be getting compared to the Threadripper line or the Epyc.


 On the other hand, some older used E5 Xeon based machines can be had pretty cheap for the hashrate - just watch the power consumption....


Yes, some old xeon machines are will worth for cpu mining.

 Someone has a rack of Winterfell servers up for sale - I almost pulled the trigger on it, but when I checked the power requirements I found it needs 3 x 30amp 220 circuits - which I don't have available in my current place.

 Oh well.
2140  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: USB Bitcoin miners on a laptop? on: September 19, 2017, 08:23:52 PM
S3 only hashes SHA256 coins like Bitcoin, BitcoinCash, Namecoin, etc.

 It does NOT mine ZCash or DASH (and I doubt it mines PIVX).

 ZCash is currently mined on GPUs (it CAN be mined on CPUs but they're very INefficient at it).
 DASH is mined on ASIC using the X11 algorithm - it CAN be mined on GPUs but is VERY inefficient, it CAN be mined on CPUs but that's a complete waste.
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