Look at you..... 


Grumpy.

This price movement is bullish as fuck.

I was hoping that we would not get to ATH until the end of the month, but looks like within the next 12 hours, perhaps?

And, pump does not necessarily mean a dump, and even if there is a dump, we still be good. 

I had been kind of thinking a correction to $2400 or so would be reasonable, but we barely reached $2600s, and then back up again... My gosh.. the honey badger doesn't wanna take a bit of a breather..          

Who is "we?"

You mean "we"should just give in to terrorists?   

something does not seem right about that proposition.

Whenever I have dust like that, you can buy more on a dip, or add to that, and then sell on a 1% increase.. something like that, then you get rid of ever single thingie-ma-jiggie.

You are way off topic, as seems to be your MO..   

That is why I said that I though that the ledger and the trezor were perhaps good, but the trezor method had proven to be compromised - leaving only the ledger.

 I had initially ordered a ledger but back ordered until September 4.  I then found another place that I could get the ledger by next week, so I ordered another one, and I should have if by early next week, hopefully.

Maybe there will be some other solutions that are established before next week.  It would be a good business for an exchange to offer such a service, and maybe charge a small coin splitting fee?  They probably would increase their customers

I think that 2x is both unnecessary and unable to reach consensus, but it seems that there is going to be another attempt at a hardfork with supposedly only 80% .. but not sufficient to lock in, so another rogue fork, perhaps.

Why?

Almost like rewinding history under another fork?

Kind of but not quite.

History rhymes but does not repeat.

We cannot go back, exactly.   

Even though we are supposed to talk about bitcoin here, BCH seems a fair topic, too... and also bitcoin seems to be the future... and hopefully BCH ends up being a flash in the pan.. and a lesson of what not to do.. but I know that BCH is probably not going away and probably not even going below .05BTC... we gonna have to live in the world of the coinsplit.

I thought that your BCH was in a paper wallet? 

How you get BCH so quickly, and how you get BCH in a location in which you can sell them?  What's your secret?

Label me as NUTs, or a friken skeptic; but for some reason I find none of those Bcash wallets as quasi-trustworthy, except for Trezor and Ledger.    Yet Trezor proclaims that they have been compromised by some bad  actor, possibly, and no longer providing the Bcash wallets - until some future undetermined date, and Ledger hardware does not seem to be shipping until September 4  - or after that date (a long time in bitcoin landia)

https://www.bitcoincash.org/

I suppose that part of the reason that OP described ways (that I still find confusing) to keep private keys that are used from bitcoin separate from private keys used for the purpose of claiming Bcash.  So it seems like the essence is that even though we transfer merged  coins from an old (legacy) wallet to a newly created wallet, we are only using the private keys of the old wallet to claim the BCash and if some evil player wanted to go back to get our real bitcoin using the old private keys, they would find that wallet empty and our split bitcoin are thereafter residing in a newly created wallet with newly created private keys that have not been exposed to any of the Bcash wallet providers that allowed us to claim our Bcash - - maybe at the same time, we then need to move the Bcash again after claiming them?

I'm going through the scenarios, and I have not split my blockchain.info coins yet and I have thought that I could wait for the ledger nano s to ship - even though it might be too late by then.. I mean Bcash may then be worth a fraction of its current price - sub .05BTC I suspect.

Well surely August 1 has passed, so that poll is outdated.

Dates coming up are August 8-10 locking in of segwit, and then two weeks later activation of segwit, so are either of those two events going to affect price, or is the BCH mess or the Altcoin mess going to affect BTC prices? 

I think that there is some questions regarding whether BCH is going to get dumped upon - which would likely be more bullish for bitcoin, as compared to if BCH is successful, which would be a bit more bearish for bitcoin.

I think that the activation of segwit is important and it does coincide with the difficulty adjustment for BCH and whether BTC will pump by then or whether BCH would be dead by then..

Approximately August 22/23 is critical?

That's not correct!


Ver and Wu are not really willing to buy BCH. Only the nutjob peeps on r/btc they convinced of the death of BTC are willing to buy BCH

Are you retarded Ibian?  You think that merely because 51% of mining power supports something then bitcoin should just change because of that?  Maybe you should think about how unstable such a rule would cause bitcoin to become?

Waiting too long can cause a considerable lessening of the BCH value, no? 

Currently we are able to get between .12 and .25 BTC for these, but I think that their longer term value is likely to float below .05BTC? 

But, maybe we will have some surprises and pumps that last a few months, rather than BCH dying on the branch?

YEP!!!!!

Exactamente!!!!

By the way the interest rates have dropped like a stone, and no one seems to want to borrow BTC anymore.   

BillieJoeAllen, is that you?

Hahahahahaha Torque.

Your two bitcoin is only worth 2BCH, so it is not going to cause as BIG of a splash as you are making it out to be.

I agree with your math, except your starting premise.

Pfrtlpfmpf does not have anywhere near 80BTC on Poloniex that he was lending at 5%, because it is very likely that he was lending more than 1 day to earn 4BTC.

He actually did not specify the period of time that he was loaning out those BTC, but the 5% was only for a few days - nonetheless, he was asserting to receive 5% per day, which is close to the max, and maybe he is exaggerating a bit.. but anyhow very likely more than 1 day of loaning to earn the supposed 4 BTC.

Maybe he has 40BTC at most on Poloniex that he was working with his loans, but probably less than 30BTC would be a more realistic estimate over a week or so?

Yeah.. dump your total all 2 BCH and fuck them all with your BIG load.   

How you going to do it?  Sounds pretty speculative to me, if there is not really any practical and realistic ability to accomplish such supposed 16% return.  So in that sense, 16% doesn't count as 16% if there is only a 1% chance of being able to carry it out.

Perhaps, I opened up this deviation from the thread topic to highlight the disparity of getting 100% versus 85% when someone else holds the keys. 

Also, perhaps, I misunderstood that I personally was going to be affected by the distribution coefficient that they applied or that it would be so much.  I might understand a few percent, but 15% in one fell swoop, oooftah!!!

Actually, mentioning loans, I did attempt to put a considerable amount of my Bitfinex BTC to work while I had put it on that exchange, and I earned about .7% over the past couple of weeks.. hahahaha.. that is a really good return for the amount that I had on the exchange, yet almost nothing compared with the 15% haircut.  The loan rates are very transitory, and I had some loans that were out for .035% per day, and others reached as high as .9% per day.   So the loan rates went up nearly 30x in the past couple of weeks, and they are now coming back down to their more regular rates. Poloniex had much higher loan rates, but they seemed to have distributed their BCH differently, too (the borrower received the BCH rather than the lender... something like that).