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2141  Bitcoin / Hardware wallets / Re: Is Metal Seed Storage Safe in an Earthquake? on: February 21, 2023, 02:04:01 PM
What if the metal sets to store one's seed came with a small tracker device which could be activated remotely from one's phone or from a computer? If the steel wallet is sturdy enough, the built-in device/chip could survive the earthquake and then it would be just matter of using one's phone to localize it while the cleanup operations are going on.
There are a lot of issues with such a concept.

Either it is placed on the outside of the device, in which case it could easily get destroyed in such an event as an earthquake, or it is placed inside the device, in which case the range will be very short (if at all) given that the signal needs to penetrate the stainless steel in order to get out. I suppose you could engineer a device encased in stainless steel with just a very small antenna reaching the outside of the device, but you are now adding a lot of cost. You would need to access your back up semi regularly in order to recharge or replace the battery, which increases the risk of it being discovered. And then of course anything which can broadcast a signal can have that signal intercepted or detected by malicious attackers. The last thing I want on my back ups is any kind of wireless connectivity which could be used by an attacker to locate them.

Better to simply have at least two back ups stored geographically separately.
2142  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: What after localbitcoins.com shutting down on: February 21, 2023, 01:53:43 PM
This will affect the strength of BUSD given time as this just happened few days after the Paxos announcement.
It's on the back of a larger decline. 2 months ago BUSD had a market cap of $22 billion. Today it is only $12 billion.

These are the risks you take if you decide to use a centralized exchange. Centralized coins, centralized tokens, centralized wallets, centralized KYC. You are risking your coins, your data, your money.

So, innocent victims may not get penalized for what they didn't do
Maybe not, but they can be sure to face months of stress, paperwork, and legal costs, in order to clear their name and prove it wasn't them that withdrew a few hundred thousand dollars worth of stolen money. Or maybe instead of laundering money in their name, the criminals just open some credit cards or take out some loan in their name, and wrack up a few hundred thousand dollars worth of debt, which again will take months and a lot of legal costs in order to clear.

Having your identity stolen can literally ruin your life. KYC should not be taken lightly, especially when centralized exchanges have proven time and time again that they are incapable of keeping your data secure.
2143  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: BIP39 vs Electrum Mnemonic seed on: February 21, 2023, 01:05:47 PM
I don't agree with that, because here Electrum doesn't say at least that it's not a BIP39 seed. It just says it's a BIP39 seed using a wordlist unknown from them : "BIP 39 (unknown wordlist)".
One of the flaws with BIP39 is that it requires a known wordlist. Another flaw is that if you do not know the wordlist being used then you do not know whether or not what is being entered is a valid BIP39 seed phrase or whether it has a valid checksum. Electrum only displays "BIP39 (unknown wordlist)" if the user manually checks the "BIP39 seed" box. Electrum is assuming the user knows what kind of seed they are using. Electrum is not able to say "This is not a BIP39 seed" because it could very well be a BIP39 seed using a different wordlist.

This is not the fault of Electrum. It is the fault of BIP39, which Electrum is supporting as best as possible given these flaws.

Moreover BIP39 requires to issue a warning if the checksum is wrong, this message isn't a warning message and doesn't talk about the checksum.
As above. If you enter words from the common English BIP39 word list, then Electrum will indeed show you an invalid checksum warning. But if you enter words not on this wordlist, Electrum (or indeed, any software) is not able to tell you whether or not your checksum is invalid because it does not know the wordlist you are using. This is a flaw in BIP39, not Electrum.
2144  Economy / Exchanges / Re: Anonymous crypto exchange on: February 21, 2023, 12:45:35 PM
While its obvious that its preferable to stay away from potentially reversible trades and
that CASH IS KING, that means you have to trade with someone local I assume?
Usually yes, although Bisq also has options for cash via mail or cash deposits at someone else's bank.

If I am not hallucinating, I think I remember reading somewhere in the terms and conditions of AgoraDesk stating that they can share personal data with law enforcement if asked to do so. The same applies to HodlHodl.
It's not so much that they would immediately share it (since they don't collect it in the first place), but rather that if they were required to by law enforcement they would request KYC documents from you. If you don't hand them over, your account is terminated. Although I'm not aware of this ever having happened, it is likely they must include some such statement in their Terms of Use or else they would be shut down. Still, if you don't like those terms, then just use Bisq. Smiley
2145  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Private keys posted on Bitcointalk on: February 21, 2023, 10:59:00 AM
Those servers run by hackers who snatch coins that are sent to known private keys must have databases of many millions of addresses, I wonder if they run custom code that is much faster than Core because of its more narrow purpose.
Almost certainly. They don't need a wallet in core, and indeed, they don't even need a full node. A pruned node would suffice. They don't care about blocks or historical transactions at all - by the time a transaction is in a block it is already too late for them to steal. All they really care about is a way of maintaining a well connected mempool in order to quickly receive any newly broadcast transactions. For each incoming transaction, they will presumably have something like a huge lookup table database combined with one or more bloom filters so they can as quickly as possible determine if they have the private key for each address.
2146  Bitcoin / Wallet software / Re: What do you think about trust wallet? on: February 21, 2023, 10:42:05 AM
That can happen. But if we go back to the Paxos and BUSD situation, owners of those tokens still have 1 year to get rid of them.
For now. No guarantee that won't change. And there are plenty of examples - Terra Luna for example - of centralized shitcoins becoming worthless or being frozen overnight.

I see potential problems in pressuring the community of volunteers in doing or implementing something they don't want to. Arrests, prosecution, and that sort of thing.
But even then, you simply can't force people to run software they don't want to. It's like the CSW nonsense for example. Even if he succeeds in getting a developer to code a method to allow him to steal Satoshi's coins, other developers won't merge it. And even if they do, nodes won't run it. He'll just end up forking himself off to BSV2 while bitcoin will continue on unaffected.

Whereas with centralized shitcoins (like BSV or any of the Binance shitcoins), if the owner decides to start stealing coins which aren't theirs, there is nothing you can do about it.

I haven't heard recent talks about large-scale mining bans. But I have no doubt that certain proposals lie in drawers in dark offices waiting for the perfect opportunity to be drawn out.
Meh, let them try. China banned mining and the hash rate dipped for all of what, a month?
2147  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Private keys posted on Bitcointalk on: February 20, 2023, 06:56:52 PM
I am surprised to read this. What kind of systems are these? How are they able to monitor if a private key is leaked or not.
They will trawl forums like this one, Reddit, Twitter, etc., on the hunt for private keys which have been shared. Then they import those private keys in to their software, which generates the corresponding addresses and watches them for any incoming transactions.

Other sources of private keys they could import include hacked cloud storage, hacked password manager databases, hacked email accounts, brain wallets, and so on.

& how does it recognize the gibberish code as pvt key anyways?
Simply search for any 51 character string beginning with "5", or 52 character string beginning with "K" or "L".
2148  Bitcoin / Hardware wallets / Re: Why doesn't every hardware wallet support two-factor seed phrases? on: February 20, 2023, 05:57:10 PM
That is quite a careless habit you've developed
Tell me about it! Every time I move some bitcoin to a cold storage wallet, I lose it within 24 hours. Every damn time!

I tend to store my seeds in the same places I store my firearms, so my bitcoin is just as vulnerable.
Might as well save yourself some time here and just engrave your seed phrases directly on to your firearms. Wink

And I haven't even owned a boat in last 4 years.
What a coincidence! I also lost my boat in an unfortunate boating accident.
2149  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Private keys posted on Bitcointalk on: February 20, 2023, 04:05:24 PM
-snip-
I agree with Loyce. If you are already running a device 24/7 anyway to host a node, then it costs you nothing to have a script running on that device watching a database of compromised addresses and waiting to sweep any funds which appear. And when we occasionally see transactions like the one Loyce mentioned of ~0.84 BTC, or the one in the post I linked to above of almost 1 BTC, that is more than enough incentive for several people to continually run bots. Each individual will be hoping that their database contains unique addresses, or even actively seeking out unique brain wallets or less common sources of compromised keys.
2150  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Private keys posted on Bitcointalk on: February 20, 2023, 10:40:02 AM
I assume many people have systems monitoring all compromised private keys, and they're competing against each other to steal the funds before someone else does.
This is definitely the case. I remember a few years ago looking more closely at coins being sent to brain wallets being stolen - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4768828.msg46603379#msg46603379. In short, within only one or two seconds of a transaction being made to a brain wallet, there are multiple competing transactions detected by different nodes attempting to sweep the coins to another address. And bear in mind that as soon as a node has seen one such non-RBFed transaction, it will reject all others, meaning that although we may only see 3 or 4 such transactions across the entire network, there are likely many more than that which are being rejected. Given that we know there are multiple bots running with huge databases of addresses from brain wallets, it is only logical to assume their databases also include all leaked private keys and seed phrases they can find as well.

Things will get quite interesting once full RBF becomes commonplace. Any such transaction stealing coins from a brain wallet or leaked private key could be replaced by another transaction, regardless of whether or not is opted in to RBF. We could end up seeing different bots broadcasting more and more replacements, each paying a higher and higher fee, trying to steal the coins for themselves. Since there is no incentive for any one such bot to surrender and let another bot win, then such transactions could just escalate until the entire value (or close to it) is paid in fees.
2151  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Anonymity vs. KYC: The Pros and Cons of Cryptocurrency Exchanges on: February 20, 2023, 10:16:32 AM
i would rather undergo the binance's kyc requirements rather than trust a third party site where you have no idea if you can ever get your money safely
If you use a proper DEX like Bisq, then your money is never deposited to a centralized wallet. They never have control over your coins and so there is never any concern about getting your money out safely. This is in stark contrast to any centralized exchange, which takes full and completely ownership of your coins as soon as you deposit, both practically and legally speaking, and can do anything they like with them.

Many people now are convenient in using CEX because they can able reach out to the team when they have a problem but in DEX, once you have a mistake, it's unrecoverable.
Using Bisq as an example again, there are both mediators and arbitrators who can get involved in the case of any mistakes or disputes. You will find them much more responsive and much more helpful than any centralized exchange's support desk.

Therefore, the KYC actually contributes to fraud, albeit indirectly, and does not provide protection against it.
QFT.
2152  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: What after localbitcoins.com shutting down on: February 20, 2023, 09:54:37 AM
He may be wrong or right, but it seems his team is strong and they could witstand whatever problem that may come their way.
People said the same thing about FTX, Celsius, Voyager, BlockFi, and all the other collapsed exchanges. And all these collapsed exchanges were telling their users that everything was just fine right up until the minute they suspended all activities and froze all their users' coins. Any centralized exchange is only ever one bad decision, one hack, one piece of legislation or regulation away from the same fate.

That aside, the buyers of these files can be considered account sellers; okx, cloud accounts, bank accounts etc, they don't sell the end products of these files for peanuts, an account could go for 60 to 100 dollars depending on the platform.
Sure, but my point is that it remains incredibly cheap for a criminal to buy your KYC documents and open an account in your name in order to launder money. KYC does very little to prevent money laundering; all it achieves is shifting the blame on to some innocent person who had all their KYC documents leaked/shared/stolen/sold from some centralized exchange.
2153  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: BIP39 vs Electrum Mnemonic seed on: February 20, 2023, 09:51:02 AM
If it's true, I don't need to find the older version, because I still can access my fund when I keep also the private key beside brain seed.
Then there is no point in using a brain wallet at all. If you are going to back up your private keys on paper, then backing up the string you used to generate those private keys alongside them provides zero additional redundancy or protection. And so in that case, it is far preferable to use a piece of software like Bitcoin Core to generate a random private key in a cryptographically secure way and back that key up, instead of using a very insecure brain wallet method to generate a key.

All of the case above is just an experiment.
Sure, but generating wallets and private keys is not something which should be experimented with. There are provably secure ways of generating wallets and keys, which all good wallets will use. And if you don't trust any software, then you can flip a coin to generate physical entropy. Anything method or scheme you come up with yourself will almost certainly have huge vulnerabilities.
2154  Bitcoin / Wallet software / Re: Xor or multisig on: February 20, 2023, 09:45:24 AM
imaging you need to note down 3 xpubs.. any wrong character in the xpubs will later cost all the funds.
True, which is why after you have written down your xpubs (or indeed, made any back up of anything in any form), you should test your back up by using it to recover from. If you can successfully recover from it, then you know it is correct. The same goes for seed phrases. I would never create a wallet, write down the seed phrase, and then send coins to the wallet before first testing that the seed phrase I wrote down does indeed recover the same wallet.

Having said all that, if you don't want to write down the xpubs then you can of course print them out. In order to generate addresses to send coins to in your multi-sig set up, you must have all the xpubs together on the same device at some point in order to create the wallet in the first place. Attaching a (dumb) printer to that device in order to print out the xpubs introduces very little additional risk.
2155  Bitcoin / Hardware wallets / Re: Why doesn't every hardware wallet support two-factor seed phrases? on: February 20, 2023, 09:38:43 AM
well you got all the bases covered.
I certainly hope so! I do think it is important to examine your security set up from every possible angle to protect against loss, disaster, forgetfulness, theft, etc.

you're joking right?  Huh  just don't expect an attacker to believe that...
Heh. No. of course no attacker will believe that. It's a running joke. Unfortunately I am very careless and lose all my bitcoin in a boating accident at least three times a year. Wink
2156  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: If AI were to somehow hack into Bitcoin Core on: February 19, 2023, 08:45:38 PM
With AI becoming so advanced so quickly I wonder if it would ever even be possible for something like a crazy powerful AI computer w/ like unlimited computational power to hack into BTC Core and every system running it to change the code/transactional data?
No. If someone could hack the Github repo and introduce malicious code in to Bitcoin Core, then it would be very quickly picked up and announced in the community and no one would download and use the malicious version, therefore achieving nothing. It is not possible to simultaneously hack every instance of Bitcoin Core which is currently running in order to change the code of every single node. And even if such a thing did happen, the new forked coin would not be bitcoin and every node could just revert to and older non-malicious version of the software and pick up the real bitcoin chain where it was left off.

Obviously would need to be a 51% attack or more to achieve this, and I do believe the largest mining pools are run out of China, so largely they would probably need to be on board with something like that, right?
A 51% attack is a completely different concept and has to do with a single malicious miner controlling a majority of the hashrate. It has nothing to do with hacking Bitcoin Core.
2157  Bitcoin / Wallet software / Re: What do you think about trust wallet? on: February 19, 2023, 08:23:58 PM
They will agree on a penalty fee, and go back to business as usual with more strict oversight for US customers.
Probably. But there is always the possibility that Binance are banned from operating in a given jurisdiction, and all their customers in said jurisdiction suddenly find themselves with big problems trying to access their money.

We've seen plenty of examples of customers losing their money because of centralized exchanges collapsing or scamming, but don't forget you can also lose your money because of actions of your government.

But that's something that affects everyone alike.
Well, it doesn't affect me at all because I don't own any centralized shitcoins. Good luck to any US regulators trying to stop bitcoin being mined or trying to freeze my wallets. Wink
2158  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Anonymity vs. KYC: The Pros and Cons of Cryptocurrency Exchanges on: February 19, 2023, 05:12:55 PM
On one hand, KYC can help prevent fraud, money laundering, and other illegal activities.
I have yet to see any convincing evidence that this is the case, and I've definitely looked for it. It is absolutely trivial for a money launderer to buy the identities and documents of hundreds or even thousands of users on the dark web for only a few bucks, and to use their names and information to open fake accounts in order to launder money. KYC does not prevent laundering - all it does is frame innocent users who have had their data stolen. And given that literally every major centralized exchange has had one or more data breaches in the past, if you go around completing KYC, then chances are your documents will be leaked, stolen, or sold eventually.

Me? I like the tiered KYC system. And I ain't taking no chances - I use VPNs and anonymous email accounts like a boss. Ain't nobody gonna catch me slipping!
I am curious as to what you are trying to achieve by using a VPN and disposable email addresses when you are handing over your real name and information anyway.

That being said, I'm curious, what methods do you use to buy cryptocurrency? Are there any alternative methods or platforms that you prefer to use?
Bisq, Robosats, AgoraDesk. More here: https://kycnot.me/
2159  Bitcoin / Wallet software / Re: What do you think about trust wallet? on: February 19, 2023, 04:43:00 PM
But unless you are handling hundreds of thousands of dollars (or more) and you aren't acquiring your coins in some illegal manners (with stolen card/banking details, e-wallets), it's not a big worry for a regular user.
Or until your perfectly legal coins are deemed as "tainted" by some blockchain analysis firm working with the US government, which then puts pressure on Binance to freeze your coins, who are happy to do so since they also buy in to the provably false nonsense of taint.

Still, even with the centralized digital assets, I doubt you will wake up one day and see your balance is 0 or frozen for no apparent reason.
Unless of course regulators decide that Binance are operating illegally or that the coin in question needs to be shut down. You can quite easily lose everything when dealing with centralized shitcoins through absolutely no fault of your own.
2160  Bitcoin / Wallet software / Re: Thinking of separating my holdings into two physical locations. on: February 19, 2023, 04:35:49 PM
You just need to tell your wife where is located your encrypted seed, then she will be able to access your encrypted seed but not being able to decrypt it while your relatives will be able to access your password (if they unseal the envelope at least) but not being able to locate your encrypted seed.
You are just trusting two people instead of one. If you don't want to trust anyone, then trustless solutions are better.

AFAIK you can't spend anymore funds included in a timelocked transaction before its expiry date once your timelocked transaction has been mined.
You can spend the coins any time you like. The timelocked transaction can only be mined after the timelock has passed. If you need to spend the funds, then you can do so and then simply replace the timelocked transaction.

In addition, it implies to know at which date you will die. That's not convenient at all.
Not at all. Create the transaction for 6 months in the future. If you are still alive, invalidate it and create a new one another 6 months in the future.

You can check the service from time to time before losing your memory or dying, if you are afraid of that.
Maybe it's just me, but it seems absolutely crazy to me that you wouldn't trust your own wife to even know that you own bitcoin, but you are quite happy to trust a bunch of complete strangers (with a track record of terrible security and privacy) to store part of your back ups.
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