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2161  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 23, 2014, 06:41:54 PM
Iīm really glad that the ghost of reliable FUD is spooking around again.

2162  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 23, 2014, 06:36:46 PM
Someone care to explain why BTC-E is nearly $20 behind bitstamp?

What is the cause of this?

simply put, poeple selling on BTC-E are on drugs!

just look at fonzie

Adam, as i have already tested before, the higher i get the lower the price of BTC becomes. Well itīs weekend and SR still delivers like a boss  Smiley
2163  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 23, 2014, 06:30:22 PM
Someone care to explain why BTC-E is nearly $20 behind bitstamp?

What is the cause of this?

For the same reason why Bitstamp always was behind MtGox.

Who would have thought that BTC-E would once be considered the most reliable and safe exchange  Cheesy
2164  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 23, 2014, 05:47:13 PM

Ogoing F B I/ US government investigation in full effect!! Expect a lot of of accounts frozen (guilty or not ot).
Talking about schemes, after MtGox that halted USD withdrawls ( for 2 weeks) and China halting all bank transfers,
will Bitstamp join the "no more USD for you" club, if so we could maybe see another small bull run.
But i guess the US Government will block all BTC transfers too. Another possbile candidate for a "xxx-exchange-coinbuilder.com" site?
I should make a franchise out of that.  So right now only BTC-E is left to cash out for a lot of people (scammers , criminals,
everyone that wantīs some privacy).
2165  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 23, 2014, 03:06:13 PM
normally i'd be expecting a bit of a pull back from here, ( up 20% in 4 days... ) but volume on these down swings indicates strong support, and will probably absorb all selling pressure and simply move higher, soon.

i'm thinking market action in the 600's will be critical to really gage supply vs demand, and setting a long term target.

all signs point to 600+ in the next few days.



Bitfinex
Currency    Total sum of active swaps
USD        16,585,814.59 USD

This squeezed, additionally to the closure of the chinese exchanges in the next 2-3 weeks will bring us to to 250-300$.
Shroomskit can you hear me?


2166  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 23, 2014, 02:32:20 PM
At least Jorge doesn't go silent/disappear like other permabears arround here.

Where is Tera, fonzie, win ? I guess their fud-for-hire contract expired, until the next drop of course.

Suckers rallye led by a chinese exchange  - Check
No one really knows how they handle their business - Check
Bank withdrawls disabled - Check
Price manipulation (probably non existent trades)   -Check
Assurance that smart "honest" exchanges will follow every move, ignoring all facts - Check
Exchange assures everyone that everything will be OK - Check
Exchange goes down, takes all the money with them, dissapears in fog - Soon
Price crashes by 50% - Soon
Everyone screams, "Oh how should we have known, there were absolutely no signs that this could happen" - Soon

When will Huobicoinbuilder.com be launched, thatīs normally one of the last steps in this (profitable) procedure?

 Smiley
2167  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 20, 2014, 10:27:39 PM

This could explain the unusual 3-7$ spread that i noticed during the trades in the last hours.

Broken API , FBI investigations. I heard that somewhere before Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
2168  Economy / Speculation / Re: Major western Bitcoin exchanges about to be investigated and probably SHUTDOWN on: May 20, 2014, 10:19:47 PM
"I lost all my money shorting Bitcoin at the bottom and now I don't know what to do to make you sell anymore!!!"


I guess you bought Goxcoin on Bitcoinbuilder, because everything said about GOX all the time was plain FUD.
dude anybody here knew about the gox problems with withdrawals, it was obvious that you shouldn't have kept money there...
Hell even on Twitter it was full of folks screaming "take your money out of gox!!" before the catastrophe.

Anybody? Well, perhaps you missed all the people falling over themselves to wire money to Gox / send coins to BitcoinBuilder directly before they shut down.
just fools gambling money away

So you can guarantee that Bitstamp and friends are safe, and there wonīt ever be problems withdrawing funds(USD/BTC) due to US(FBI) investigations?

So you can guarantee that they are not, and that no one should trade there anymore?

Everyone is free to decide for themself. Itīs just an official big warning sign. How many Goxcoins have you bought on bitcoinbuilder btw?
You posted about it during that time Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
2169  Economy / Speculation / Re: Major western Bitcoin exchanges about to be investigated and probably SHUTDOWN on: May 20, 2014, 09:59:41 PM
What exchanges other than coinbase are physically operating in the US?

The FBI doesn't have a shred of jurisdiction outside this country...
Why did they sent subpoenas? Just for fun? To create FUD Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
2170  Economy / Speculation / Re: Major western Bitcoin exchanges about to be investigated and probably SHUTDOWN on: May 20, 2014, 09:57:56 PM
So you can guarantee that Bitstamp and friends are safe, and there wonīt ever be problems withdrawing funds(USD/BTC) due to US(FBI) investigations?

Bitstamp is not operating from USA, so it needs to be Slovenia investigations (I guess Bitstamp is located there)

They did accept funds from US customers and arenīt registered @ Fincen, that would be enough to justify an investigation.
2171  Economy / Speculation / Re: Major western Bitcoin exchanges about to be investigated and probably SHUTDOWN on: May 20, 2014, 09:51:58 PM
Update the poll Fonz, I want to vote <$1. This is the worst thing to ever happen to bitcoin.

Fixed. Sorry, sometimes iīm unrealistic and blinded by my bullishness.
2172  Economy / Speculation / Re: Major western Bitcoin exchanges about to be investigated and probably SHUTDOWN on: May 20, 2014, 09:37:31 PM
"I lost all my money shorting Bitcoin at the bottom and now I don't know what to do to make you sell anymore!!!"


I guess you bought Goxcoin on Bitcoinbuilder, because everything said about GOX all the time was plain FUD.
dude anybody here knew about the gox problems with withdrawals, it was obvious that you shouldn't have kept money there...
Hell even on Twitter it was full of folks screaming "take your money out of gox!!" before the catastrophe.

Anybody? Well, perhaps you missed all the people falling over themselves to wire money to Gox / send coins to BitcoinBuilder directly before they shut down.
just fools gambling money away

So you can guarantee that Bitstamp and friends are safe, and there wonīt ever be problems withdrawing funds(USD/BTC) due to US(FBI) investigations?
2173  Economy / Speculation / Re: Major western Bitcoin exchanges about to be investigated and probably SHUTDOWN on: May 20, 2014, 09:34:41 PM
"I lost all my money shorting Bitcoin at the bottom and now I don't know what to do to make you sell anymore!!!"


I guess you bought Goxcoin on Bitcoinbuilder, because everything said about GOX all the time was plain FUD.
dude anybody here knew about the gox problems with withdrawals, it was obvious that you shouldn't have kept money there...
Hell even on Twitter it was full of folks screaming "take your money out of gox!!"

Well, right now it is said that the US are investigating Bitcoin exchanges, it was even in Wall Street Journal Roll Eyes
2174  Economy / Speculation / Re: Major western Bitcoin exchanges about to be investigated and probably SHUTDOWN on: May 20, 2014, 09:29:11 PM
"I lost all my money shorting Bitcoin at the bottom and now I don't know what to do to make you sell anymore!!!"


I guess you bought Goxcoin on Bitcoinbuilder, because everything said about GOX all the time was plain FUD.
2175  Economy / Speculation / Re: Major western Bitcoin exchanges about to be investigated and probably SHUTDOWN on: May 20, 2014, 09:27:49 PM
people cashing out drives the price up  Roll Eyes

lunatic

Criminals with funds on Bitstamp buy Bitcoins to transfer their funds out quickly(to BTC-E or even cold wallet). Itīs magic.
Itīs way riskier for them to use bank withdrawl.


If that was happening than the price on btc-e would crash, also if they anticipate a collapse like you think they would not move their BTC to a cold wallet.

If you want to spread FUD than at least come up with something that's not completely retarded

The collapse will begin if Bitstamp(or others) should really shutdown due to investigations by the US government.  BTC-E has been 15-20$ below Bitstamp for a few days, this could be a reason why they are so much behind Stamp.
2176  Economy / Speculation / Re: Major western Bitcoin exchanges about to be investigated and probably SHUTDOWN on: May 20, 2014, 09:25:07 PM
Do dark web drug dealers use bitfinex? Or does the wall street-like appearance of the platform not appeal to them. Grin

I bet most of them are on BTC-e.

I would have thought most dark web users are not using exchanges, unless simply speculating on the side. You can't get fiat from any exchange without ID. Maybe I am misgauging how large some of these players are.

Fake IDīs (to create bank accounts) Cashing out through 3rd persons. There are multiple ways to cash out and even launder your money through mayor exchanges. I havenīt checked for a few months, but you could even buy these services on Silkroad.
2177  Economy / Speculation / Re: Major western Bitcoin exchanges about to be investigated and probably SHUTDOWN on: May 20, 2014, 09:20:06 PM
people cashing out drives the price up  Roll Eyes

lunatic

Criminals with funds on Bitstamp buy Bitcoins to transfer their funds out quickly(to BTC-E or even cold wallet). Itīs magic.
Itīs way riskier for them to use bank withdrawl.
2178  Economy / Speculation / Re: Major western Bitcoin exchanges about to be investigated and probably SHUTDOWN on: May 20, 2014, 09:14:35 PM
Cheers for the heads-up, sounds bad if true.

Articles provided don't mention anything on western exchanges being contacted.

Any concrete links?

As a longterm community member of SR for more than 2 years i can say that at least 90% of their business is done by Americans or Europeans.
I guess most of them wonīt cash out in China.
2179  Economy / Speculation / Major western Bitcoin exchanges about to be investigated and probably SHUTDOWN on: May 20, 2014, 08:50:16 PM
Itīs lookin really bad for Bitcoin, once again. After MtGox went down this year with all their customers money there is the next bad event about to happen to other exchanges. According to Wall Street Journal, a lot of other exchanges have already received subpoenas and will most likely get frozen for the time of the investigations by the USA. I assume it will Bitstamp/Coinbase/Localbitcoins.... and others
This has probably been the reason for todays price increase, as criminals wanīt to get their money out of Bitstamp, which for the first time since ages, led this small rallye. I assume that those criminals try to cash out on BTC-E, which so far seems to be anonymous and can handle the volume. This is most likely the reason why they lag almost 20$ behind Bitstamp.
If Bitstamp should shutdown for the time of the investigation, to which level do you think will the price drop?
Where will you sell, if most of them are no longer available (for most likely months or years)?

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/05/20/more-bad-news-for-bitcoin/
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424127887324705104578147333270637790?mod=WSJ_article_SubOnlyEdPicks

U.S. authorities have opened a new front in their investigation into bitcoin exchanges and other businesses that deal in the online currency, examining possible ties between the firms and the online drug bazaar Silk Road, according to people familiar with the matter.

The new focus of the investigation is the latest indication of how the shuttered online drug market has become linked to bitcoin, tainting the currency with associations of shady activity as its advocates stress to regulators its legitimacy. It comes after prosecutors in January criminally charged the owner of one bitcoin exchange over alleged ties to Silk Road.

One of the people familiar with the matter said the investigation was at an early stage, and conclusions hadn't been reached as to whether the exchanges were connected with Silk Road.

Several bitcoin exchanges received subpoenas from Manhattan federal prosecutors this winter, including Tokyo-based Mt. Gox, once the world's most popular bitcoin exchange, according to people familiar with the matter. It wasn't clear which other bitcoin businesses have received subpoenas.

The subpoenas to Mt. Gox demanded customer-transaction logs and materials related to solicitation of investors. But prosecutors and Federal Bureau of Investigation agents also are examining whether the exchange and others like it may have processed transactions connected to Silk Road, the people said. Attorneys for Mt. Gox didn't respond to requests for comment.

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Mt. Gox suspended trading on Feb. 25 and announced the disappearance of 850,000 bitcoins—about 7% of the world's total—worth more than $470 million at the time. The exchange filed for Chapter 15 bankruptcy protection in Texas in March in a bid to stop customers from targeting the cash it holds in U.S. bank accounts.

Mt. Gox's demise amplified authorities' concerns about the stability of bitcoin, which isn't backed by any central bank.

The shadow of Silk Road, where users could anonymously purchase everything from narcotics to forged passports, long has hung over bitcoin, the only form of currency Silk Road accepted.

Exchanging other currencies into bitcoin with the knowledge that the funds would be used for illegal transactions could violate money-laundering laws. Even without such direct knowledge, financial institutions are required under U.S. bank regulations to maintain robust internal controls to prevent money laundering by customers.

Prosecutors shut down Silk Road last year and charged its alleged founder, Ross Ulbricht, with several counts of conspiracy and other charges. He has pleaded not guilty and denied being Silk Road's founder. A trial is scheduled for November in federal court in Manhattan. A lawyer for Mr. Ulbricht declined this week to comment.

Charles Shrem, a bitcoin evangelist and businessman, was criminally charged in January with money laundering at his company, BitInstant, which like Mt. Gox swapped dollars for bitcoin and collected a fee on the transactions.

Prosecutors alleged he conspired to help customers of Silk Road convert dollars into bitcoin to use on the market.

Emails Mr. Shrem sent furthered suspicions about connections his company may have had with Silk Road, a person briefed on the investigation said.

In an email to an unnamed person in April 2012, cited in court documents filed by prosecutors, Mr. Shrem said that "[Silk Road] funds a decent percentage of the overall Bitcoin economy."

In a February 2012 email cited by prosecutors, Mr. Shrem wrote "wow, Silk Road actually works," explaining he had just received a shipment of marijuana brownies.

Mr. Shrem and his alleged accomplice pleaded not guilty last month in federal court in Manhattan. A trial is scheduled for September.

"He's cooperated with law-enforcement agencies in the past, and he looks forward to getting this case behind him," said Marc Agnifilo, a lawyer for Mr. Shrem.
2180  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 20, 2014, 08:25:39 PM
I guess this might also be the reason why BTC-E is so much lower, and they have asks between 100-500BTC that get refilled quickly all the time since a week.
BTC-E for now might seem as the last safe place to cash out criminals money.
Also the reason why LTC hasnīt been pumped that much.
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