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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][LATX - Token Sale] Latium Tasking Platform

on: October 19, 2017, 07:36:51 PM

Quote from: Cryptotina on October 19, 2017, 07:30:02 PM Quote from: Latium on October 19, 2017, 07:17:27 PM Quote from: Cryptotina on October 19, 2017, 06:08:30 PM Quote from: mexi.db on October 18, 2017, 08:43:40 PM Quote from: Kate_CND on October 18, 2017, 07:13:00 PM The Latium whitelist registration is Now Open! Head over to http://Latium.org to submit your application. I just signed up for the whitelist. Also got the whitepaper, will read up. This project looks quite interesting. How does whitelisting work? Hello, You can find information about the whitelist process in the whitepaper. https://latium.org/assets/attachments/whitepaper.pdf Ahh I don't think so. Checked Mars and Jupiter, couldn't find anything whitelist there. Mars, Jupi... Oh you meant the white paper. Out of curiosity, I've checked too and the only mention of whitest is in a diagram on page 9

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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][LATX - Token Sale] Latium Tasking Platform

on: October 19, 2017, 07:34:20 PM

Quote from: soltantgris on October 19, 2017, 12:37:07 PM Quote from: Bowtiesarecool on October 19, 2017, 09:09:20 AM Quote from: Mhz_evadah on October 19, 2017, 01:33:10 AM Brilliant ideas all together, seems quite promising. thumbs up Very promising indeed. First of its kind tasking platform that will bring transparency and accountability to the global labour market. Possibly the next best thing since sliced bread We sure hope to - and work that way. I am doing some internal lobby in order to add a very interesting (imo) feature that would create a strong use case on top of the already existing ones. I always believe that the future of cryptocurrency and blockchain will be tied to projects with real world value and applications

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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Prime-Ex Perpetual - Bringing Real Estate Profits to YOU!

on: October 19, 2017, 10:15:27 AM

Quote from: Uhde on October 18, 2017, 08:14:14 PM Quote from: Prime-Ex Perpetual on October 16, 2017, 06:19:47 PM I wanted you guys to get the first look at this. PR and media release will be done today. https://youtu.be/LnYjYUelO0U Thank you very much for the video. A good and clear interview answering all basic questions about Prime-Ex Perpetual Project. It is good to know that they have a good and powerful advertisement strategy not only on internet but also on TV. Yeah. Sometimes, it doesn't matter how good your product is if you don't have the advertisement and marketing prowess to get it out to the public. Prime-EX definitely knows their stuff

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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Bounties (Altcoins) / Re: [BOUNTY] TIES.network - Business Platform Backed by Smart-Contracts

on: October 19, 2017, 09:36:50 AM

Received my tokens too! Thanks, guys! One of the best ICO bounties I've seen! Looking forward to the future of such a unique project.

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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [ICO] | STASH | Digital Money For Everyone | PRE-SALE NOW LIVE!!!

on: October 19, 2017, 09:17:14 AM

Quote from: cava on October 19, 2017, 04:32:05 AM Quote from: fia_naila on October 18, 2017, 06:48:09 AM Any update on this project ? How many ethereum you guys collected already ? Please confirm here.. i need to know. As previously mentioned a number of times here, but just to reiterate, we will only advise how much has been sold once the Pre-Sale has finished and the main Token-Sale has started. If you need this information to participate in the sale you will need to wait until the main Toke-Sale has started. Looking forward to those result. Stash is going to rule them all

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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][LATX - Token Sale] Latium Tasking Platform

on: October 19, 2017, 09:09:20 AM

Quote from: Mhz_evadah on October 19, 2017, 01:33:10 AM Brilliant ideas all together, seems quite promising. thumbs up Very promising indeed. First of its kind tasking platform that will bring transparency and accountability to the global labour market. Possibly the next best thing since sliced bread

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Economy / Services / Re: PlentixCo is hiring a bounty campaign manager for a new ICO!

on: October 19, 2017, 08:22:50 AM

Exhorting your favourite campaign manager is great, but most of you have failed to read the OP. The manager has to PM the OP. Not thread post them. So, get your favourite manager to send in a PM instead

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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Bounties (Altcoins) / Re: [BOUNTY] STASH Signature Campaign

on: October 19, 2017, 07:42:36 AM

Quote from: aubert on October 16, 2017, 01:44:55 AM 6th week counting done, 7th week starts! Great job manager! Great bounty. BTW, is the results for the pre-ICO sales out?

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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Why buy WAVES?

on: October 19, 2017, 07:39:18 AM

Quote from: Romanknickl on October 19, 2017, 07:25:42 AM $waves will be the coin in 2018! waves will lead the next altcoinpump! the old bitcointalk page is closed = very bullish Something major will happen with waves. There are so many shitcoins, many crypto user still don't know that waves was one of the biggest ICO's in crypto history and huge whales are on board! For me it's the ETH 2.0 , seriously!! I wouldn't suprised if waves will hit about 100USD in the year 2018! a x20 is easy possible in the long run! I am just buying the tips at the moment! I never saw such a shakeout before! The next bull run will be HUGE. be ready for it! Hope so. Getting a bit tiresome waving at waves to wave it on the race

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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Bounties (Altcoins) / Re: [BOUNTY] OFFICIAL BRICKBLOCK BOUNTY CAMPAIGN

on: October 19, 2017, 07:00:08 AM

Quote from: Bowtiesarecool on October 10, 2017, 03:40:49 PM Quote from: Bowtiesarecool on October 01, 2017, 02:47:51 PM Quote from: Bowtiesarecool on September 22, 2017, 09:41:11 AM Quote from: Bowtiesarecool on September 11, 2017, 12:44:30 PM Quote from: Bowtiesarecool on September 05, 2017, 09:52:37 AM Quote from: Bowtiesarecool on August 29, 2017, 11:31:04 AM Quote from: Bowtiesarecool on August 19, 2017, 11:29:39 AM WEEK 1 18/8/17 Twitter username: @Bowties32551567 Twitter url: https://twitter.com/Bowties32551567 Followers: 2725 Tweet https://twitter.com/Bowties32551567/status/898869013240922116 https://twitter.com/Bowties32551567/status/898868562370088960 https://twitter.com/Bowties32551567/status/900311712867418112 https://twitter.com/Bowties32551567/status/900657917791260672 https://twitter.com/Bowties32551567/status/901457719311441920 Retweet https://twitter.com/brickblock_io/status/898218899895971841 https://twitter.com/brickblock_io/status/897499665725136896 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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Bounties (Altcoins) / Re: [Bounty] [Token Sale]LakeBanker | Free Banking for the World(Phase 1 Active Now)

on: October 18, 2017, 04:21:04 PM

Quote from: BluRPie on October 17, 2017, 04:29:29 PM Dear Bounty Manager, Do you plan implement spreadsheets with participants data and their progress. It will help us to track our job. Also it could have a sense from the point of cheaters identification. Public audit. Thank you I agree. Will definitely help with giving participants a sense of progress and self-evaluation

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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Prime-Ex Perpetual - Bringing Real Estate Profits to YOU!

on: October 18, 2017, 04:17:13 PM

Quote from: MakersONE on October 18, 2017, 10:43:10 AM Quote from: Prime-Ex Perpetual on October 16, 2017, 06:19:47 PM I wanted you guys to get the first look at this. PR and media release will be done today. https://youtu.be/LnYjYUelO0U I was watching. Very cool, you make good and thoughtful advertising, it's great! This approach to business will pay off. Concise and directly to the point. No unnecessary and complicated business-speak. Great project. Excellent interview.

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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][LATX - Token Sale] Latium Tasking Platform

on: October 18, 2017, 03:15:17 PM

Quote from: PikaShuh on October 18, 2017, 02:10:42 PM Quote from: Latium on October 16, 2017, 01:08:59 PM Quote from: gedabuz on October 15, 2017, 04:16:43 AM Quote from: Latium on October 04, 2017, 06:36:38 PM Quote from: ZACHM on October 04, 2017, 04:52:55 PM I am confused now (another LAT ICO) what's happen to the old LAT cryptocurrency and I see that hte price of the LAT in exchange is match more lower than the ICO price ? So what's going on ? That section was basically a pre-sale token sale. Based on advice from our advisors and participants in the pre-sale, we felt that creating a larger supply of tokens was beneficial to all parties involved. This makes the amount of LATX you get per ETH more. There will be an option to transfer your LAT tokens to the new LATX token very soon. During that you will receive 11 LATX per 1 LAT that you transfer. try to recalculate ... first you promised 100LAT per Etherium then you promised 2000LATX per etherium but you only appreciate 11LATX per LAT ? is not it worth the minimum value you give it 20LATX per LAT ? During the initial phase of the sale it was 100 LAT per ETH. We then gave all those who purchased LAT a 100% bonus which basically made it 200 LAT per ETH. We are offering 11 LATX per 1 LAT which is the same as offering 2,200 LATX per ETH. So if you are a holder of LAT and transfer to LATX then you get a better deal than what will be offered in the general sale. hello, join your conversation here i want to know when and where i can do that, i want to transfer my LAT token into LATX do you have transfer mekanism to do that? how can i join? or is it in exchange? To do so, I believe they have a tool here for converting Lat to Latx: https://latium.org/latx

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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Bounties (Altcoins) / Re: [Bounty][ICO FINISHED]🔥Crystal Clear ICO bounty🔥

on: October 18, 2017, 11:11:31 AM

Quote from: rhyoanime on October 18, 2017, 08:09:56 AM please give your update , when bounty distribution ? GUYS!!! Bounty distribution is normally between 14 days - 30 days depending on the campaign and team. They are going to pay! Period. Now go find something else to take your mind off. You guys are like street urchins sometimes. Have some decorum and self respect!

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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Bounties (Altcoins) / Re: [BOUNTY] NetM - Social Media Campaign and more - Bonus

on: October 18, 2017, 10:50:46 AM

Quote from: Bowtiesarecool on October 12, 2017, 08:45:32 AM Quote from: Bowtiesarecool on October 04, 2017, 07:41:51 AM Joined Twitter Bounty Week 1 Twitter Username: @Bowties32551567 Twitter URL: https://twitter.com/Bowties32551567 Followers: 2740 Tweet https://twitter.com/Bowties32551567/status/915481752931590145 https://twitter.com/Bowties32551567/status/915481902987059200 https://twitter.com/Bowties32551567/status/915843123594584064 https://twitter.com/Bowties32551567/status/916201564645330944 https://twitter.com/Bowties32551567/status/916660835690442754 Retweet https://twitter.com/netmproject/status/915038116817272833 https://twitter.com/netmproject/status/915018195584651264 https://twitter.com/netmproject/status/915499551187972096 https://twitter.com/netmproject/status/915421446536597504 https://twitter.com/netmproject/status/915849586027253760 Week 2 Tweet https://twitter.com/Bowties32551567/status/918396849710682113 https://twitter.com/Bowties32551567/status/917049891007926273 https://twitter.com/Bowties32551567/status/917294904782422018 https://twitter.com/Bowties32551567/status/917663854125047809 https://twitter.com/Bowties32551567/status/918063504787197952 https://twitter.com/Bowties32551567/status/920222311751540738 Retweet https://twitter.com/netmproject/status/916177291943858176 https://twitter.com/netmproject/status/912892256910299144 https://twitter.com/netmproject/status/917210531555094528 https://twitter.com/netmproject/status/917310695028482048 https://twitter.com/netmproject/status/917625671794528257 https://twitter.com/netmproject/status/918082269344161792 https://twitter.com/netmproject/status/919000789535920129 https://twitter.com/netmproject/status/919002321950035968 Week 3 Tweet https://twitter.com/Bowties32551567/status/920602590232104960 https://twitter.com/Bowties32551567/status/920980440281907202 https://twitter.com/Bowties32551567/status/921339055840858112 https://twitter.com/Bowties32551567/status/922439910245662720 Retweet https://twitter.com/netmproject/status/920320597204328449 https://twitter.com/netmproject/status/920737283971657730 https://twitter.com/netmproject/status/921251419394592769 https://twitter.com/netmproject/status/902813490963996672 https://twitter.com/netmproject/status/902451846329094144

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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Bounties (Altcoins) / Re: [BOUNTY][Pre-ICO]Nousplatform - Platform for decentralized investment funds

on: October 18, 2017, 10:15:20 AM

Twitter: https://twitter.com/Bowties32551567 Followers: 3144 Week 1 (10/07 - 10/16) Retweet: 1. https://twitter.com/nousplatform/status/913578734833283072 2. https://twitter.com/nousplatform/status/914124032517255168 3. https://twitter.com/nousplatform/status/914185739851747328 4. https://twitter.com/nousplatform/status/914299070256156672 5. https://twitter.com/nousplatform/status/914525515037495296 6. https://twitter.com/nousplatform/status/914886470082625537 7. https://twitter.com/nousplatform/status/916419575528460288 8. https://twitter.com/nousplatform/status/916754034660380672 9. https://twitter.com/nousplatform/status/916831947728543744 10. https://twitter.com/nousplatform/status/917482554193858561 11. https://twitter.com/nousplatform/status/917701965978664960 12. https://twitter.com/nousplatform/status/918129970479812610 13. https://twitter.com/nousplatform/status/918166014793277440 14. https://twitter.com/nousplatform/status/918491746358743040 15. https://twitter.com/nousplatform/status/918856675947438081 16. https://twitter.com/nousplatform/status/919600849470574592 Week 2 (10/16 - 10/23) Tweet: 1. https://twitter.com/Bowties32551567/status/920592493875531776 2. https://twitter.com/Bowties32551567/status/920592709877993472 3. https://twitter.com/Bowties32551567/status/921034778983485440 4. https://twitter.com/Bowties32551567/status/921315641910546432 5. https://twitter.com/Bowties32551567/status/921714746541428737 6. https://twitter.com/Bowties32551567/status/922435332884303873 7. https://twitter.com/Bowties32551567/status/923154677025378304 Retweet: 1. https://twitter.com/nousplatform/status/920033042890219520 2. https://twitter.com/nousplatform/status/920308400906530818 3. https://twitter.com/nousplatform/status/920362100400238592 4. https://twitter.com/nousplatform/status/920660624203448325 5. https://twitter.com/nousplatform/status/921000566410629120 6. https://twitter.com/nousplatform/status/922464692659998721 7. https://twitter.com/nousplatform/status/922792208713076737

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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][LATX - Token Sale] Latium Tasking Platform

on: October 18, 2017, 08:13:26 AM

Quote from: NokasKili on October 18, 2017, 07:42:07 AM Hi guys Congratulations for this amazing interesting project! It seems very promising based on a new robust concept! If by any change you required a professional Portuguese translator with experience and quality to support with ANN, Bounty, WHITE PAPER or websites translation to Portuguese, please kindly PM! Previous works: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2209854.msg22258971#msg22258971 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2207159.msg22218532#msg22218532 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2207186.msg22219081#msg22219081 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2207229.msg22219665#msg22219665 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2176665.msg21830985#msg21830985 Thank you and all the success for project! Best Regards, Nokaskili Check the main bounty thread here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2276837.0

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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][LATX - Token Sale] Latium Tasking Platform

on: October 18, 2017, 08:07:57 AM

Quote from: jelma on October 18, 2017, 04:18:46 AM now LAT can already be exchanged to LATX in https://latium.org/latx, then when LATX listed exchanger? Such information tends to get released after main ICO or towards the tail end of the main ICO for security reasons and investors protection.

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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [BOUNTY]*TIO*AMBITIOUS MARKETING ICO IS NOW OVER! BOUNTY CONTINUES

on: October 17, 2017, 07:43:16 PM

Whole-heartedly agree with the price control mechanism currently in place. Some bounty hunters have no decorum or understanding of how the market works. Don't dump your tokens , HODL!!! Hodl for the next 3 - 6 months or even a year based on the project roadmap and reap 100x more than what you thought possible!

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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Bounties (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][BOUNTY] ***WITCOIN*** Bounty Program!

on: October 17, 2017, 05:51:13 PM

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