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I'm going all in on xpy when it reaches $0.00.
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This Joshra Ganza bloke sounds real dodgy, imagine moving his "company" over seas or off shore - yeah right, that is where Homero is fleeing too.
If all that you lot say were true , he wouldn't have anywhere to hide now would he? Why? There are several dozen countries that don't have an extradition treaty with the US. yeah but those countries are normally places that are below our king homero's standard of living so he will not go there, well i dont think he would he seems like to much of a pretty boy to survive in those countries lol  That's hashking ganza to you! |
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Is anyone else having css issues here?
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You can see that the destroyed coins leave the addresses that were inputs to the transaction, and don't go anywhere. They're gone.
So they really are destroyed, but the question remains about why they only destroyed those coins, and not all of the hyperinflation coins. Not that the answer isn't obvious.
If they only leave the input addresses but do not go anywhere, they are not destroyed, but they sit in the blockchain in a manner that fees were always supposed to be programmed into the blockchain even in a functioning fee system. Any further updated version of paycoin SW can take them from where they currently are and use them for whatever purpose the update is written to use fees for. A good guess is that the future version of paycoin SW gives them to the orion controllers like whitepaper says and voila' these destroyed coins reappear in the orion controllers wallet. The part that is currently not implemented into the paycoin SW is the one that takes the fees from the blockchain and gives them into the orion controller wallets. The writing of the fees into the blockchain works fine like they are supposed to be written into the blockchain in a working fee system and that is where the coins are. This is a major flaw in the current design situation of paycoin SW and the way GAW 'destroyed' a huge number of coins makes it so much worse. If you are going to design a good coin that you want people to trust you must design it so that stealing coins and any other unmoral act is very hard for anybody to pull off including yourself. You must try your utmost not to plant any low hanging fruit to tempt anybody. These coins that sit now in there as fees are such a low hanging fruit tempting any people implementing updates to paycoin core code. It is totally unrealistic to assume that the completion of the fee system including the currently missing one small part taking the fees from blockchain and giving them to orion controllers is never implemented into the coin. Fees serve a useful purpose and so if paycoin ever catches on, there is a major push to complete it. But because there are now those 110000 coins written into the blockchain as fees it presents a major problem.
The coins no longer exist. They're not at any address whatsoever. Another way of destroying coins is, as you say, sending them to an address for which there's no private key, but if anything the destruction is even more clear when the coins simply no longer exist anywhere.
No. Sending them to an address with no keys is a proper and only way to destroy coins. These coins are now not destroyed, but they are still as fees and their further fate is currently not defined. 'Not defined' is a good mental image for where they are now. Coins only exist at addresses. A transaction takes coins from one address, and sends them to another. If you think these coins still exist, what address do you think they're at? These were taken from various addresses, and sent nowhere. They aren't in the addresses they came from -- you can check that, the blockchain doesn't lie. They weren't sent to any new address. It's impossible for a new transaction to send them somewhere new, because they don't exist at any address anywhere in the blockchain. I'm pretty sure they can be transported into a staked Coinbase like a regular fee, the difference between inputs and outputs, just mention the original transaction to redeem it. |
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Nice, that does help a lot. From my very basic understanding, it looks like fees are destroyed, but I am unsure. Particularly about the PRI64d\n part. I see PRI64d in other PoS coins by doing a simple google search and a few more times in the code. My guess is it is somehow related to CoinAge, but again, I am really speaking out of my element here. (like, so much so, I am sure someone will come here and tell me how much of an idiot I am any second)
I'm pretty sure PRI64d is just formatting an integer. So that would be where "nFees" goes in the string. So, if I find a PR164d that receives "nFee" then that would show they haven't been destroyed? The fee for a transaction is the difference between the input total and the output total. The destination for the fees is set in the block that contains the transaction. So here's an example of a bitcoin transaction: https://blockchain.info/tx/e967550ef95d28a95a4ea2e679b8b9463cea28943d3053ef65d7f5fe109ce3adClick to find the block it's in: https://blockchain.info/block-index/757279In the top transaction you see listed there, you can see where the fees (0.25520967 BTC) are sent, along with the 25BTC reward for mining the block. Here's the paycoin transaction that destroyed the coins: https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/tx.dws?a5709810941a93fd8060c830dd0a725d2b11cf916e1e48b62f581b86b1f5f437.htmClick through to the block (the "block height" link): https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/block.dws?66506.htmYou can see that the destroyed coins leave the addresses that were inputs to the transaction, and don't go anywhere. They're gone. The blockchain never lies. So they really are destroyed, but the question remains about why they only destroyed those coins, and not all of the hyperinflation coins. Not that the answer isn't obvious. That's not true. They could be redeemed later through orion controllers or hidden keys like the secret staking it all began with, or future updates. Staking is centralized do any fork can happen instantly. I could be wrong. A true destruction requires an address with no key. |
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I agree 100%. I have a brother who has been a quadrapalegic for 30+ years now and he has to battle for every fucking nickle he gets from disability. Pisses me off hearing people like this rawbot stick up for the 95% of people getting disability checks that are just fucking SCAMMERS playing the system getting phat checks for not being able to sleep and other such bullshit.
You really are a moron, aren't you bitpop. I am not sticking up for any type of scammer - disabled or otherwise. I assume I am getting all this shit because you have a pretty little "Legendary" badge next to your username. Your quadroplegic brother still has a functioning brain I assume, so it could have been conceivable for him to hear about paycoin when it was being hyped up and threw a few thousand dollars at it? Would your insults be as nasty? I doubt it. You have a chip on your shoulder (probably a GOP supporter) and are using this thread which has fuck all to do with disabilitiy checks or fraud because you seem to think that everybody who is claiming disability (except your relatives of course) is a fraudster. Yet nobody in this thread has called you out for being off topic. So why don't you shut the fuck up about disability checks (deserved or undeserved) and attack the real wrongdoers at hashtalk instead of perpetuationg your own moronic agenda. That wasn't my quote. But I won't mention it again. I apologize. I was just hoping for a different theory than these people simply gave Homero their life savings. I don't know what the gop is. But this community is mostly liberal. Myself, I support welfare and ObamaCare. They're nothing compared to the trillions wasted, lost and spent on wars by the govt. jmordica voted for the idea "Your wife is much beautiful red haired goddess. Does carpet match drapes Mrs. Ganza?". |
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Xpybtc is lose lose. If btc goes up, xpy is arbitraged down to usd value, if btc falls, then xpy falls. That's why it's technically a shitcoin. Hodl Bitcoin to at least get upside exposure.
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I can't wait to find out, and some day we will find out, how much of GAW is/was real. Browsing linkedin, it looks like he contracted programmers out of Mississippi, probably because Mordica knew them from college or something. They probably never visted the office. Was there even a GAW Miners or Paycoin office, or did he just pose for pictures in front of his Great Auk office with the staff for that company? How many employees? 4? 24? 50? How many of his "staff" are teams of Indian contractors paid by the job?
Just how much of this operation was in Mississippi? Was their warehouse for unsold miners in MS? Did they even have a warehouse? How many times did the CTO visit New England (VT, MA, wherever the office is located), anyway?
This whole thing stinks of making an operation look much bigger than it is. But they got a lot of money from hashlets, and then from selling the premine/stake output. I'm pretty sure in the millions. If they're out of cash, which is another hunch, they must have paid themselves some pretty high salaries.
Yeah it was fascinating reading the silk road case. |
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That's a fucking committed masochist right there
Since I'll drop my other theory, where do these idiots get this money to burn? They don't seem skilled enough for even working at Walmart.
my theory is that most of the 5 digit and up investors were around and saw or heard btc go from pennies to something. they have regrets of not putting any money in before it took off. paycoin was marketed (and parroted by ppl who could explain basics of crypto) as a extension / better version and saw its huge share of alt coins. since btc rocketed why not 'btc+' ?  people with ok jobs and expendable income but not tech-savvy i remember people touting btc to me when it was new. im sure same phenomena is working here too except now theres the "+ version" which can piggyback on btc success now its based on basic scam job of providing enough reinforcement to believe the dream is true Sad when one Bitcoin team could be so strong and united, yet they join shitcoin |
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That's a fucking committed masochist right there
Since I'll drop my other theory, where do these idiots get this money to burn? They don't seem skilled enough for even working at Walmart.
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Shitcoin Only hodl Bitcoin! |
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I'm a bit jealous of Homero. He just grabs his coffee, hunts a few bids then continues his vacation.
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There's a 3k sell wall that's about to get desperate and go to market
With Bitcoin currently pumping, paycoin must dump
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Man who's losing thousands of dollars on this shit STILL? Disability checks can't be that big.
They aren't. However you seem to have a problem with people with disabilities so keep spouting your idiotic crap. You don't contribute much to this discussion do you? Usually slurs against the disabled or one line comments. Hardly "Legendary" Look bud, stupidity is a disability that doesn't deserve welfare. It's a debilitating illness but I believe it's intentional. Leave the checks to real disabilities like blindness and paralysis. Those people are deserving. I agree 100%. I have a brother who has been a quadrapalegic for 30+ years now and he has to battle for every fucking nickle he gets from disability. Pisses me off hearing people like this rawbot stick up for the 95% of people getting disability checks that are just fucking SCAMMERS playing the system getting phat checks for not being able to sleep and other such bullshit. Gawtards are the type that probably have fake disability parking passes. They try to cheat their way through life. How else can they STILL believe Homero will be giving them free $20? |
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Man who's losing thousands of dollars on this shit STILL? Disability checks can't be that big.
They aren't. However you seem to have a problem with people with disabilities so keep spouting your idiotic crap. You don't contribute much to this discussion do you? Usually slurs against the disabled or one line comments. Hardly "Legendary" Look bud, stupidity is a disability that doesn't deserve welfare. It's a debilitating illness but I believe it's intentional. Leave the checks to real disabilities like blindness and paralysis. Those people are deserving. |
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Icu Just open in private window |
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Homero must be salivating at that $7,000. He won't be able to control himself for long.
What is that third column? And why's the fourth column skip ahead?
3-rd column is the "BUY" or "SELL" levels ...like 412 is 0.00412 etc... 4-th column is the TOTAL Bid or ASK size up to that price ...Capisco...  Cheers, ZiG Can't be 0039661 4.1550 374 Thats not equal 4th column doesn't add up unless they're adding other exchanges 1-st and second column are bid/ask quotes... They are separate ...independent from 3-rd and 4-th column ...which is "numerical Buy/Sell" WALL...OK...  ZiG That's bullshit, I want standard 3 columns not some dyslexic shit Bitcoinwisdom is not viable Fuck |
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@nestle22 This could also be a sign that it could shoot up and that they don't see it going that low anymore.. maybe an announcement due? #optimist!! |
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Homero must be salivating at that $7,000. He won't be able to control himself for long.
What is that third column? And why's the fourth column skip ahead?
3-rd column is the "BUY" or "SELL" levels ...like 412 is 0.00412 etc... 4-th column is the TOTAL Bid or ASK size up to that price ...Capisco... Cheers, ZiG Can't be 0039661 4.1550 374 Thats not equal 4th column doesn't add up unless they're adding other exchanges |
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Homero must be salivating at that $7,000. He won't be able to control himself for long.
What is that third column? And why's the fourth column skip ahead?
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