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2181  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][MOON] Mooncoin: You know where it's headed! KGW exploit FIXED 4/3/2014 on: June 23, 2014, 08:02:25 PM
Altcoiner: to the mooon!
Moonie: Certainly, single or return?

 Cheesy

BTW: What do you think of Proof of Stake? A good thing for Mooncoin, too? What I like with POS is that you don't have to "waste" plenty of electricity only to find blocks ...

There are pros and cons with PoS. I'll research the issue and present a technical appreciation.

Is wasting energy your primary concern? Any others come to mind?

What say the Moonies? Want me to look at anything specific?

Cheers

Graham


2182  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][MOON] Mooncoin: You know where it's headed! KGW exploit FIXED 4/3/2014 on: June 23, 2014, 05:51:12 PM

Brown-bagging from my response there ... just to let you know ...

Hello Moonies!

A developed sense of identity is invariably accompanied by a distinguishing label.

Cheers,

Graham

still impressed with:

Altcoiner: to the mooon!
Moonie: Certainly, single or return?

2183  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Don't give support to anonymous developers never more, guys! They are scammers! on: June 23, 2014, 01:22:02 PM
my real name is Jarkko Lehto

Hi Jarkko, nice to meet you.

Quote
English-speaking people used to pronounce it as "char-koh".

Guilty as charged. But now I know better.


Cheers,

Graham

Axbridge, in Somerset, England.
2184  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [Metiscoin] [MTS] Unique algorithm | NO PREMINE| NEW POOL! CPU/GPU on: June 23, 2014, 05:10:03 AM
This coin had a lot going for it, no premine, unique algorithm, had a good pool behind it and a lot of supporters.

I don't think the coin ever recovered from the discovery that the dev had basically renamed fugue.c to metis.c and no-one could think up a rational explanation of why. The uniqueness was bogus, which is just dumb because there were other hashfns that could have been used instead.

Too weird to bother reviving.

Cheers,

Graham
2185  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [PRE-ANN] Coin Shield - Shitcoin Cleanup | Coinshield Verification on: June 23, 2014, 04:54:30 AM
The purpose of Coinshield is not to be based on hype, but based on clarity and attention. Hype is the general fuel of [shit]coins.

The two sentences above are semantically vacuous. The phrase "based on clarity and attention" is meaningless. If that interpretation puzzles you, try: "farm fresh" and "investor assured", all three are classic examples of "hype", deceptive statements that to the casual glance appear coherent but which on deeper analysis reveal no commonly-understood semantics for that particular juxtaposition.

The fleshing out of the details of the target acquisition system reveals your use of the term [shit]coin to be unsupportable. There are no restrictions on the subject of the petitions, nor can there be without you risking unanswerable accusations of interference. You have no means of ascertaining in advance which coins will be targeted nor is the selection under your control, so your use of [shit]coin is unsupported. The most accurate term available to you is "successfully petitioned", the next most accurate term is "possibly [shit]coin". We remain crucially unenlightened about your interpretation of the meaning of the term [shit]coin, a gloom that merely deepens in the presence of "based on clarity and attention".

It's not going to improve your communication if you continue using the term [shit]coin when you're unable to allow the reader an opportunity to check their understanding against yours.

Given your statement "Hype is the general fuel of [shit]coins" and your use of the phrase "based on clarity and attention", a clear match with other phrases categorized as "hype", would you conclude that CoinShield meets your definition of a [shit]coin and if not, why not?

My directness is pursuant to brevity, I'm under too much time pressure to ensure a moderate tone throughout, no offence meant, not personal.

Cheers

Graham
2186  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Don't give support to anonymous developers never more, guys! They are scammers! on: June 23, 2014, 03:19:26 AM
I think your assumptions are a bit off.  The professional scammers who create $hitcoins are easily making between $100K to $300K per scam coin.  Occasionally even more.   There's been several guys caught who have been discovered to have made several coins just in 2014 alone.  The guy who made Maple Coin is some New Yorker and he's made several subsequent coins which all netted him six figures in BTC.   The guy who did maple coin, IIRC, had his hand in Maza and Aurora as well.

I don't know what normal job can come close to that in income.  Most office workers in America make under $80K (unless they're juniour executives or project leads and even those guys don't make the money that the scammers on Bitcointalk are making every month)

So much money has been stolen within the crypto community and I have yet to hear of anyone going to jail or being charged (unless it involved the DEA like Charlie Shrem).  Until they start throwing guys into the slammer, the scams are going to continue to get worse & worse as there is no absence of dumb money.

I didn't even try to quantify the context, merely point out the ineptitude of that particular respondent's argument and render it less likely to be (ab)used by others of a similar kidney.

It is difficult to stay on solid ground, I constantly edit and re-edit my writing, trying to scrub it clean of anything that remotely smacks of preconception. You seem to have inadvertently wandered into a bit of a morass ... “There's been several guys caught who have been discovered to have made several coins just in 2014 alone.” Caught? The context doesn't support that choice of semantics but it does support "accused", which makes a world of difference.

It's even more difficult if you don't have access to metadata because the condemnation “discovered to have made several coins just in 2014 alone” loses a lot (but not all) of its pejorative force when you learn that there are traceable records of .. excuse me while I show off ...

Code:
PREFIX rdf: <http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#>
PREFIX doacc: <http://purl.org/net/bel-epa/doacc#>

SELECT (COUNT(?s) as ?count) WHERE {
?s rdf:type doacc:Cryptocurrency .
}

Code:
count
"1264"^^

That's 1264 altcoins (yep, you can say that aloud and let the implications sink in: one thousand, two hundred and sixty four) that have been launched/readied for launch - the total is inflated by 1, i.e. Bitcoin which is apparently not an altcoin by definition - (mental note, track down a definition of altcoin).

An alternative interpretation is that these operators of $hitcoins were simply responding to market demand as they perceived it.

It's the semantic vacuity of the term "$hitcoin" that is the problem. No-one can provide a satisfactory definition. I suspect that the reason for this is that right now we don't have a sufficiently effective and expressive means of describing altcoins and this lacuna is frustrating all efforts to derive clear comparisons. We're reduced to: "that one is ... and that one ... no, that one isn't ... but that one is".

It's called an ostensive definition and it's a fallback for us when the domain of discourse resists articulation, of which “Art” and “$hitcoin” are classic examples. You can't define it but, if educated, you can identify positive and negative instances and thus construct a set of members.

There's absolutely nothing we can propose that will deter the more serious operators in this arena - and they do get serious; in one instance a list of apparently plausible team members was identified as bogus when someone spotted that they were the names of Swedish hockey players*. That's very acute (on both sides).

But in principle, if the general standard of transparency can be raised, people should have a better chance of correctly identifying these high-risk opportunities.

The wierd s**t above is me, working on my contribution to improved expressiveness: Description of a Cryptocurrency (DOACC) an ontology for altcoins and an RDF Graph carrying metadata for 1264 altcoins.

Here's another example, querying the (labels of the) various schemes used to protect the public ledger from tampering, with the results formatted in JSON:
Code:
PREFIX rdf: <http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#>
PREFIX doacc: <http://purl.org/net/bel-epa/doacc#>
PREFIX skos: <http://www.w3.org/2004/02/skos/core#>

SELECT DISTINCT ?label WHERE
{
?s rdf:type doacc:Cryptocurrency .
?s doacc:protection-scheme ?ps .
?ps skos:prefLabel ?label .
}

Code:
{'head': {'vars': ['label']},
 'results': {'bindings': [{'label': {'type': 'literal',
                                     'value': 'pow',
                                     'xml:lang': 'en'}},
                          {'label': {'type': 'literal',
                                     'value': 'pos',
                                     'xml:lang': 'en'}},
                          {'label': {'type': 'literal',
                                     'value': 'unknown',
                                     'xml:lang': 'en'}},
                          {'label': {'type': 'literal',
                                     'value': 'pos-pow',
                                     'xml:lang': 'en'}},
                          {'label': {'type': 'literal',
                                     'value': 'pob',
                                     'xml:lang': 'en'}}]}}

I'm finding that this is really useful stuff. I intend to use it with OWL rule-based inferencing and possibly give it a NL interface. One reason I'm exposing what might seem to be database internals is that this stuff isn't internal, it's all publicly accessible, self-describing, queryable via HTTP, published to Linked Open Data standards (assuming I can successfully decipher them) - if anyone wants to pitch in, feel free to just holler. We don't have the resources to aspire to a more polished implementation, it'll have to exist on make do and mend basis, just as we are doing ourselves.

People are in desperate need of effective help to stay clear of the kind of confusion that has apparently enveloped your good self because what you cite is unsubstantiated rumour and not verifiable fact. I have every sympathy, it's easy to get blind-sided by the FUD. I find that if I make explicit efforts to stay with the facts, I'm generally okay. My first question is usually "Where did you hear that?" Phrases like “are easily making between $100K to $300K per scam coin” just bring out the cynic in me - “Seen the accounting records, have you?”

Cheers,

Graham

* “What, actually checked the team list against the player list, did you?” Yep.
2187  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Don't give support to anonymous developers never more, guys! They are scammers! on: June 22, 2014, 11:12:29 PM
Not all of them are scammers.
There are legal problems launching new coins on the Internet, so many developers prefer to remain anonymous

Yesterday i asked an alt dev to reveal his name and his identity but he refused. Here is the reason the dev gave to me:
We won't be releasing our personal information because we don't want people breaking our doors down to rob us because we made the most successful crypto in existence. Think about if Satoshi Nakomoto has given his real name... That man would either be in jail or dead. There is a reason people choose anonymity when it comes to cryptocurrencies.

Well, yes - people can develop some strongly idiosyncratic mental models and we do like to encourage our children to exercise their imagination, so the response perhaps isn't all that surprising.

It's a hilariously ill-conceived response and we could entertain ourselves hugely making fun of the hapless responder but if we put that on one side and acknowledge that this feeble excuse for an excuse is actually widely employed, we could benefit from taking it a little seriously. No, please, I know how difficult that must be but do try.

On the positive side, the response provides pretty much all the information you need to inform your decision as to whether to engage with this coin or not Wink

If we can be confident that the italicised text is indeed a response pounded in by the dev's own fist, then we can profit by examining the semantics of the argument:

IF "we made the most successful crypto in existence" THEN "people will break our doors down to rob us".

There's a step in the logic that's glossed over:

IF "we made the most successful crypto in existence" THEN "we will become famously rich"
IF "we are famously rich" THEN "people will break our doors down to rob us".

I think it's inarguable that a sharp divergence exists between the views of some altcoin devs and miners' views generally on the how the spoils rewards should be divided. The logic used in the argument here informs us that the dev of this particular altcoin is anticipating a share of the profits that is so stupendously large that it will, by itself, make them famous.

I can't seem to turn up a single existing attested example from the altcoin domain, let alone an emergent trend, of super-rich altcoin devs getting robbed in their own homes. (Nope, not Kim Dotcom, it doesn't count if the robbers give you receipts for what they take).

There's no existing instance, let alone trend, to support this fantastical notion. In its child-like, comic-book simplicity it has no correlate in the real world but it does usefully serve our purposes by illuminating the dev's preparedness to sacrifice miners' interests (of greater transparency) on the slightest pretext. And it's as classic an example of "slightest pretext" as I've ever seen.

Moving through the text ...

"Think about if Satoshi Nakomoto has given his real name... That man would either be in jail or dead."

I haven't experienced the "..." logical notation before, it's use here suggests that it can be interpreted as "insert any or all of your favourite conspiracy theories".

From a less imaginative perspective, if the person or persons referenced by "Satoshi Nakomoto" had given his/her/their/its real name, the most likely outcome would be that their employer's lawyers would be pursuing them for the IP.

SN is very likely employed in a technical capacity and SN's employment contract will include a section that (broadly) states: "We pay you to be a tech, so the rights to everything you create, in or out of work, that relates to tech is OURS. End of." (I was once asked to sign one that was even broader in scope; personnel only backed down and narrowed the scope when I publicly threatened to submit intimate family photos to their "Please, may I keep this IP?" process.) SN probably published under a pseudonym in an attempt to prevent the employer/s from mounting a claim on the IP. (Doesn't matter if the code has been Open Sourced, the assignment can be challenged because it can be argued that SN didn't own the rights in the first place.)

The same context applies to any number of amateur altcoin devs. They have a full-time job in the tech sector that pays the rent; the altcoin stuff is done quietly on the side as a potentially lucrative hobby and they prefer not to be publicly identified with AspirantlyCupidCoin or whatever because their employment contract assigns the IP to the employer. I treat it as merely an inherent limitation arising from amateur status; professional practitioners quickly come to understand the value of a personal reputation because it circumscribes their entire professional activity. It matters less for amateurs, they spend the majority of their time on other things, they're just not in a position to commit to the coin because the coin is not their main priority. However, it is something that investors might want to factor in to their risk assessment.

Then there's those altcoin devs who are still in secondary / tertiary education, using pseudonyms to conceal their minority / abuse of .edu resources / support limitations. Here's a recent example: the challenge is to try and keep a straight face. Still - you can't blame the lad for trying and he'll probably try again; with luck and learning he might be able to put together a solid project, worth investing in. In some cases, it's only inexperience that prompts the over-enthusiastic claims and fuels the over-confidence that investors need to be alert to.

In other cases ... well, let's return to the damning conclusion of the response to your customer enquiry

"There is a reason people choose anonymity when it comes to cryptocurrencies."

The semantics of that sentence give me nothing to cavil about, the premise is incontestably correct and has been driving the success of Darkcoin. Unfortunately, it's got absolutely nothing to do whatsoever with the previous statements. It's a non sequitur and that distinctive error in reasoning gives us a couple of implications to consider.

1. The author's reasoning capacity is so under-developed that they are unable to recognise it as a non-sequitur. This can be expressed more prosaically as “couldn’t think their way out of a paper bag placed over their head” and, of the two, this is the explanation I prefer (c.f. Roger of Occam) and my preference is informed further by the author's apparent inability to distinguish between the semantics of anonymity and pseudonymity.

2. The author knows full well that it's a non-sequitur and it has been deliberately constructed to mislead the enquirer (unlikely, given the wobbly logic but people can be unexpectedly canny with such things)

Either way, the response is vacuous and will act as a strong signal to even partially-informed investors that they should adjust their risk assessment of this, ahem, investment opportunity.

Presumably there are other, even more hilariously fantastical responses to be elicited - all you do is ask the question on the coin's forum/thread and reference this thread. Make the open source principle work in your favour, s'what it's supposed to be all about.

I've learned how important it is to define terms, but this isn't the right forum, or even medium so I'll make an informal verbal sketch instead, just to outline the scope ...

It's not about everyone knowing everything about everyone. A focussed transparency of process doesn't mean "no pseudonyms at all for any altcoin devs" but it does mean "given the amount of money at stake, altcoin devs should be able to confirm their identity or be able to present a convincing argument as to why investors can be relaxed about this particular exception to the rule of thumb". At minimum, this is just so someone knows where the spare key is kept.

There's one convincing explanation presented above, someone with, e.g. Sunny King's technical depth is almost certainly following a career path in the tech sector and will be subject to the same potential IP grab from his employers as I was. That's a good enough reason when paired with the outstanding quality of SK's work.

"I've got a full-time job and need to conduct this activity via a pseudonym but if they promise to keep it to themselves, I will tell the MineMineItsAllMineCoin Foundation Chairperson" is a transparently poor reason when paired with dump-commit* dev but being obliged to make the argument means communicating valuable information for investors about the dev's priorities, in that investors need to account for the risk of Real Life disrupting coin development plans and schedules --- not a purely theoretical consideration given that bct threads are positively carpeted with variants of "Hey dev , y u no post ?"

IP protection may, or may not, be the actual reason that SK chooses to remain pseudonymous but it's good enough. Your guess is as good as mine as to whether SK's weekly development report is deliberately intended to counter potential investor nervousness about the pseudonym (given that it seems to be providing effective camouflage for luserdevs) or whether s/he's a top-class engineer who intuitively understands the benefits it brings (probably mostly the latter, maybe a bit of both).

Were you aware that the Primecoin dev issues a weekly report? How much change in altcoinland would be needed before "* Weekly dev report" appears amongst the tickbox ticklers in altcoin launch [ANN]s?

I don't think anyone would argue against a claim that we have seen some scam altcoins and although bct threads are littered with misunderstandings and misperceptions, there are a few real stinkers in there: people have been cheated and gulled out of money. It would be completely unrealistic not to expect investors' attitudes to harden in response to this.

I'll brown-bag from my previous post:
I would recommend people treat a pseudonymous dev as a yellow flag - not a diagnostic certainty, merely a contra-indicator.

I've not read anything in this discussion which would cause me to reconsider that recommendation. I've risked boring you rigid with an over-deep analysis of what is an insultingly ill-considered response mainly in order to add some nuance to the context. The result is, I hope, of use to both the investor and the altcoin developer alike.

I'm indebted to Spartak for enabling me to observe that my earlier response has prompted at least one professional to discard his pseudonym (waves at Spartak. Hi, nice to meet you.)

Integrity is as integrity does and I'm interested to see whether what's being discussed in this thread is taken up by altcoin investors. My figures suggest that we've seen the peak of altcoin launches and are now stabilising at a lower rate, still too high for many people's comfort --- but not mine, I confess; for me, the vitality and exuberance of the altcoin domain are invaluable natural attributes, to be nurtured rather than strangled.

Cheers

Graham

* dump-commit - e.g. Albocoin, dev made a copy of the repos and committed that; discarding the commit history and removing the code from the main stream of development. Contrast with SK's fork of the bitcoin code, preserving the commit history and keeping the codebase within the main development stream. This is the right thing to do, the Albocoin approach is just luserdev wrong. Why is it right? Because SK can "simply" merge development work that's taken place on the Bitcoin repos -- see Primecoin: Merge with Bitcoin v0.8.6 lookit all the improved code, extra features --- that SK didn't have to write <- smart operator. (experienced devs will understand why "simply" is scarequoted)

If your fave altcoin's pseudonymous dev is following similarly cost-effective strategies, then leave 'em be, they're doing a solid job for you.  If they've made the mistake of crippling your fave altcoin by copying rather than forking, then you might want to consider moving your money elsewhere or asking the dev to re-seat the code back into the main dev commit stream.

Billy Markus and Jackson Palmer have it knocked - Dogecoin 1.4 was a copy (91 commits) but Dogecoin 1.7 (5727 commits) is back in the stream (Bitcoin Core 0.9.1-based).

If you care to, just look around and make a few simple, direct comparisons - check the github repos. For an altcoin using the bitcoin protocol look for 5000+ commits, I've found it to be a very good indicator of a technically strong dev/cointeam, irrespective of pseudonymity.

2188  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [CHC] ChainCoin - AllCrypt - CPU/GPU - C11 - Paperwallet/explorer bounties on: June 21, 2014, 08:28:20 AM
There is now also a bounty of 3000 CHC for a block explorer, preferably one that also provides the total number of coins (as needed by coinmarketcap).

Thanks!


Any pointers as to where to look for the change in the block structure's sequence attribute that's causing this exception? It's not the expected uint32 but I'd rather make a purposeful change than just stab around at random. The block timestamp might match up with something in the commit history but it's more likely there's a switch in the code at some point, hein?

Code:
block_tx 41316 103518
block_tx 41316 103519
block_tx 41316 103520
block_tx 41316 103521
block_tx 41317 103522
block_tx 41318 103523
Exception at 45226224954118732
Failed to catch up {'blkfile_offset': 32157918, 'blkfile_number': 100000, 'chain_id': 11, 'loader': None, 'conf': u'chaincoin.conf', 'dirname': '/home/gjh/.chaincoin', 'id': Decimal('1')}
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "Abe/DataStore.py", line 2519, in catch_up
    store.catch_up_dir(dircfg)
  File "Abe/DataStore.py", line 2779, in catch_up_dir
    store.import_blkdat(dircfg, ds, blkfile['name'])
  File "Abe/DataStore.py", line 2901, in import_blkdat
    b = chain.ds_parse_block(ds)
  File "Abe/Chain/__init__.py", line 82, in ds_parse_block
    d['transactions'].append(chain.ds_parse_transaction(ds))
  File "Abe/Chain/__init__.py", line 75, in ds_parse_transaction
    return deserialize.parse_Transaction(ds)
  File "Abe/deserialize.py", line 90, in parse_Transaction
    d['txIn'].append(parse_TxIn(vds))
  File "Abe/deserialize.py", line 46, in parse_TxIn
    d['sequence'] = vds.read_uint32()
  File "Abe/BCDataStream.py", line 71, in read_uint32
    def read_uint32 (self): return self._read_num('<I')
  File "Abe/BCDataStream.py", line 110, in _read_num
    (i,) = struct.unpack_from(format, self.input, self.read_cursor)
error: unpack_from requires a buffer of at least 4 bytes

Cheers,

Graham
2189  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Coin Shield - Protecting Quality in Crypto Currency Design on: June 20, 2014, 06:09:45 PM
Or by being able to accurately interpret the communities understanding

Ah, sorry, I should have been more explicit.

I intended the meaning to be "develop your own understanding of the consequences of failing to define your terms" and that's what I should have written.

Cheers,

Graham
2190  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Coin Shield - Protecting Quality in Crypto Currency Design on: June 20, 2014, 05:42:25 PM
For me personally, I am lifting ...

Yes, you're right, time to get back to work. I had hoped to persuade you of the folly of failing to define your terms; on reflection I realise you'll undoubtedly gain more all-round benefit by developing your own understanding.

Good luck with it all.

Cheers,

Graham
2191  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Don't give support to anonymous developers never more, guys! They are scammers! on: June 20, 2014, 04:08:23 PM
I would recommend people treat a pseudonymous dev as a yellow flag - not a diagnostic certainty, merely a contra-indicator. Personally, I change it to red if I discover that the repository source has a commit total in single figures as this betrays shallow thinking leading to costly and ineffectual security theatre.

I look around and note that, with the occasional exception, the inarguably successful coins are characterised by a lack of pseudonymous devs. A few weeks ago we had an object lesson in how much media interest can be whipped up by an apparent resolution of a prominent pseudonym. The more visible/successful the brand, the greater the vacuum caused by continued inscrutability, especially so in a domain perceived by the media to be tantalisingly rich in tecchy mystique, rumour and tittle-tattle.

At some point, the dev's preference for remaining pseudonymous will almost certainly be overwhelmed by pressure from the coinholders as the coin's performance begins to suffer due to increasingly negative perceptions of that opacity.

Here's a snippet from CNN's reporting of Dogecoin:

“Ben Doernberg, a board member at the Dogecoin Foundation, said that raising the money for the sponsorship was done in record time. Beyond sports ventures, Dogecoin has raised money to build clean water wells in Kenya and for a charity that trains service animals to work with children with autism and other disabilities.
"We are all about fun and goofiness," Doernberg said. "At the same time, we want to make sure that digital currency is really giving back to the world. We do feel like this is a technology that can make the world a better place, and we want to put that into practice by doing fundraisers."
Doernberg said the NASCAR sponsorship is one of the largest fundraisers they've done to date.”

reads somewhat better than:

“scamhunter23, a board member at the Dungecoin Foundation, wrote that raising the money for the sponsorship was done in record time. Beyond sports ventures, Dungecoin has raised money to build clean water wells in Kenya and for a charity that trains service animals to work with children with autism and other disabilities.
"We are all about fun and goofiness," scamhunter23 wrote. "At the same time, we want to make sure that digital currency is really giving back to the world. We do feel like this is a technology that can make the world a better place, and we want to put that into practice by doing fundraisers."
scamhunter23 wrote the NASCAR sponsorship is one of the largest fundraisers they've done to date.”

In the context of the good works above, for a coin ambassador to use a pseudonym is at once both pretentious and incongruous. But someone has to be quoted in the media - it just won't be a pseudonymous dev, that's all. So the developing recognition factors for the coin brand identity will not include the dev and in time, the incongruity of the pseudonym ceases to become an issue as the dev's role becomes circumscribed to that of Chief Engineer, toiling away in the engine room.

Of course, neither Billy nor Jackson made that mistake, nor did Evan. Look around, you'll find quite a few people prepared to stake their reputation on their coin work, it's an invaluable signal to investors, I'd have thought.

Of course, if the dev has zero expectations of the coin receiving any significant media exposure (maybe because the coin has an anticipated lifespan shorter than the average mayfly), then a pseudonym can handily serve to conceal a cryptocurrency sideline from pals, boss and workmates. One unfortunate consequence is that punters are beginning to associate "pseudonymous" with "amateur", "hobby" and "long-absent" --- and those are the positive qualities, the negative ones all trivially boil down to "scaaaam".

There's always trouble money to be made when those who own the problem aren't those who own the solution. In this instance, it's indicated by the appearance of "backstage" altcoin dev teams fluidly forming and re-forming as required. The next stage will be marked by stable, branded teams, offering standards adherence, quality assurance, reliability and long-term in-depth support --- factors important to anyone with an interest in the coin.

I find myself asking: are "trustworthy" and "reliable" appropriate labels for someone who makes advance preparations to avoid taking responsibility for their actions by masking their identity with a pseudonym?

Hm.

Cheers,

Graham

Edit: s/own the answer/own the solution/ more precise
2192  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Coin Shield - Protecting Quality in Crypto Currency Design on: June 20, 2014, 08:10:59 AM
Would you care to give a more detailed explanation on what adjustments should be made?

As the project lead, you're in a better position than I to assess the relative risks.

EDIT: I would also like to point out, that it will be the community deciding the definition of [shit]coin, and the definition of what is acceptable.

I think we're at cross-purposes, I'll present a more abstract view:

The entire business model for this altcoin is predicated on the continuous cannibalisation of other altcoins, declared to be "shitcoin". The context thus capriciously forces a choice where otherwise none would exist - see previous threads for several "let's kick shitcoin butt" coins, none of which were able to develop a widely-accepted target acquisition method.

Here, this is overcome by the creation of a restrictive contest frame that artificially forces the acquisition of a target. It's an ugly contest in which the first prize is extinction. Responsibility for the consequences is abrogated to a group of forum subscribers, apparently as proxy for "the community".

We could just cut to the chase, renaming it CannibalisingCoin to more accurately reflect reality; it's an altcoin that can only survive by feeding off other altcoins declared to be "shitcoin". Hence my keen interest in the definition of foodcoin shitcoin.

Could you give an idea of how many altcoins are intended to be consumed over a period of say, the first year? Or is that something I should be deriving for myself from the arithmetic provided?

Cheers,

Graham
2193  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Coin Shield - Protecting Quality in Crypto Currency Design on: June 20, 2014, 05:41:49 AM
Each one will require the user who submits it to supply proof as to whether to keep/kill coin.

I infer the above to be an ad hoc response. I appreciate we're conversing across a language barrier here and that you are doing far more work than I am but I don't think you mean “proof”, do you? You mean "argument", i.e. subjective rather than objective, opinion rather than fact.

You evidently have the arithmetic down cold but your declared project goals are, in practice, abandoned to the whim of the coinshield forum subscribers. I choose the more precise label because holders of coins disapproved of (for arbitrary reasons) by the coinshield subscribers also warrant recognition as a community. You apparently wish to tar the coin holders with the same broad brush you use to tar the coin devisers/operators.

You are making the mistake of treating shitcoin holders as shit coinholders. They're not the same thing at all.

This is a direct consequence of you omitting to define the term SHITCOIN, even though you use it freely as central plank of your story (support for your claims is noticeably absent from your post). You will likely discover the magnitude of this error the first time you openly and deliberately attempt organised manipulation of trading at an exchange in order to drive down the price and thus the worth of people's investments. (That is, more or less, your stated intention is it not?)

I recommend you adjust your budget to accommodate the consequences of collateral damage.


Cheers

Graham
2194  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Coin Shield - Protecting Quality in Crypto Currency Design on: June 20, 2014, 03:53:01 AM
This is entirely up to the community. As this community grows, they will gain a voice to be able to set the standard of quality that they deem fit. This is done through the voting systems.

That sort of raises more questions than it answers but perhaps I'm enquiring about an aspect of the project that is yet to be fully detailed.

I don't see any mention of an appeals or grievance procedure, have you considered that aspect yet?

Cheers,

Graham
2195  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Coin Shield - Protecting Quality in Crypto Currency Design on: June 20, 2014, 03:25:05 AM
Less coins in the marketplace, and tougher launch requirements are only the beginning of Coinshield.

Is there a consensus that fewer altcoins in the marketplace is a Good Thing? Is reducing the number actually one of the goals of the project and if so, do you have any equations which model it?

Could you say more about the “tougher launch requirements”, perhaps even describe some of them? As you might guess, I'd be interested in what you've come up with in terms of operational definitions.
 

Cheers

Graham


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2196  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Coin Shield - Protecting Quality in Crypto Currency Design on: June 19, 2014, 08:57:33 PM
Coinshield lets users vote in any shitcoin to our system.

Just checking my understanding: in this context "users" are registered users of the coinshield.org forum?

Cheers,

Graham

2197  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN]【PRE】[DKC] DijkstraCoin | PoW + PoS | effectively resist ASIC on: June 19, 2014, 07:19:33 PM
ABOUT 1.2% Premine
We'll ... found a DKC Foundation, to mutually manage for the further development of Dijkstracoin

I apologise for not having pointers to hand; fwiw other altcoins have at least discussed, if not actually taken, innovative approaches to improving sustainability by imposing a tithe on block rewards or transaction fees, whichever is appropriate for the predicted velocity.

Cheers,

Graham

2198  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Coin Shield - Protecting Quality in Crypto Currency Design on: June 19, 2014, 06:18:24 PM
Could you outline the starting position - are you starting from 0 and accepting petitions or do you already have a candidate list by any chance? If the latter, could you please publish your criteria?

Cheers

Graham
2199  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Bacoin | Bacon Coin | BCN | First bacon backed Crypto Currency! on: June 19, 2014, 04:53:17 PM
What happened to Baconbits?

You piqued my curiosity, so I checked:

http://d.coinrip.com/2gid%3D92.html

https://github.com/MrBaconBit/BaconBits

Unsurprisingly - "No block source available".

Cheers,

Graham
2200  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][Q2C] QubitCoin new secure hashing (CPU/GPU) (NEW) Update 0.8.4.1 on: June 19, 2014, 01:57:13 PM
I am just curious of qubitcoin, having no qubitcoins. darkcoin is anonymous, but qubitcoin is not.

The official faucet has been dry for months now. Does anyone know who the designated contact is for the group of investors that has undertaken to keep the faucet supplied? (Nothing shrieks "failed coin" quite as loudly as a long since dried-up “official” faucet that's still being advertised.)

I do not know more underrated coins, coin has been neglected by the major devs, then scored an ambitious creator - he wanted the bad luck came from crimea, disappeared without a trace started to stick to military intervention. Fashion PoS scam it came in ..

The coin is clean, practically extracted, and dropped a long time ago by botnets. What more do we need? Smiley

A couple of responses:

I'm afraid that I don't share your positive opinion of krecu, his personal insecurity arising from his lack of technical depth* basically killed off any chance of holding practical technical discussions about improving the quality of the codebase:

February 08, 2014, 03:04:14 PM:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=411065.msg5018074#msg5018074

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I have no desire to carry on a conversation about the code and the more indulge in the code with a man who on this forum has two post for all time. To me, you spam the user yet!

I decided not to waste any more effort and just bide my time, the coin's immediate trajectory was quite predictable.

Five days later ...

February 13, 2014, 09:48:28 PM https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=411065.msg5127941#msg5127941
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Dear community!!!

- q2c.cc and other UP!
- github updated! QubitCoin 0.8.4 (dear linux user recompile you daemon)
- I've been thinking whether we need KimotoGravityWell? As a result, after the 120960 block diff calculates KimotoGravityWell
- adding DNSSeed - now we do not need a list of nodes
Unfortunately the addition of the DNSSeeds has created a situation which is the exact opposite to that which was intended. None of the DNSSeed IP addresses are responding so publishing the results of getpeerinfo on a regular basis is now absolutely vital for new users or anyone starting from wallet.dat because otherwise it's “No block source available”.

On that note ....
Code:
62.210.125.140
67.207.208.166
188.226.149.55
46.165.208.136
148.251.11.18
121.65.58.165
188.2.20.76
2.85.190.142

You should check for yourself whether they resolve for you although “added by mine-pool.net for test only” sort of gives the game away. https://github.com/qubitcoin/QubitCoin/blob/master/src/net.cpp#L1194

Code:
// DNS seeds
// Each pair gives a source name and a seed name.
// The first name is used as information source for addrman.
// The second name should resolve to a list of seed addresses.
static const char *strMainNetDNSSeed[][2] = {
    // added by mine-pool.net for test only :)
    {"s-seed.mine-pool.net", "s-seed.mine-pool.net"}, // test static dns seeds
    {"q2c-seed.mine-pool.net", "q2c-seed.mine-pool.net"}, // test dynamic dns seeds
    {NULL, NULL}
};

One positive aspect of this is that the community is now aware of the issue and at least the investors have an opportunity to club together and sort out the funding of the domain registration/renewals and at least a couple of nodes hosting the DNSSeeds.

I find myself at a loss to suggest who you might approach to take responsibility for implementation and maintenance or how you're going to reimburse them for shouldering that responsibility. A bounty is a one-off and has always been an inappropriate means of funding a long-term commitment that has an inherent repeating fiat component such as hosting charges or coin maintenance.

Then again, Qubitcoin isn't the only altcoin suffering a mid-life crisis, perhaps it might be worthwhile to look at other altcoin communities to see if they have developed any viable solutions; f'rinstance, it's not just the PPCoin folks that get a weekly report from the dev.

And that leads me to my response to “What more do we need?” - you'll be relieved to learn that this response is more concise - the investors need to create a core team of people prepared to take responsibility for ensuring the robustness and reliability of the coin's underpinning logistics. I suggest you (collectively) look into reviving the Qubitcoin Foundation and shaping it into something that can provide some effective support.

Cheers,

Graham

* A common but trivially easy-to-spot error was introduced into the code and committed to the repository: https://github.com/qubitcoin/QubitCoin/commit/2855a8eeee0a69d47158ec51c7b27a41089e331c#diff-a459a939be4fe065dd5f64ab60bb30d0R134

Edit: refreshed getpeerinfo result
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