I didn't write the newsletter when it was the price you're suggesting, so not clear on your intended point.

If you draw a straight line through a log chart from any starting point through to today, it's doing okay for now.  I don't know the future, but it seems like it's doing okay to me.

If you are looking at bitcoin as a currency, then I'd like to know another currency as valuable compared to any fiat of any country.  If looking at bitcoin/Bitcoin in some other capacity, then comparison to fiat is questionable at best.

Russia has just this week increased its key interest rate (according to Simon Black of Sovereign Health) from 10% to 17.5%.
USD having a 'reserve' of only 1.26%, while the Ruble has 12.5% reserves - not that good either, but relative to USD it's a lot more.  So, Ruble is tanking, whilst the USD is shining, but why?  If you look at interest rates compared to reserves, the difference is not 'that' great.

On Oct 31st 2013 I suggested in a newsletter I wrote, that people consider researching and maybe investing in BTC in modest amounts, as although the price looked high at the price of $199 on that day, it looked like it had potential.  I got a fair bit of flak for suggesting (not advising) that.  I wouldn't have believed that it could go north of $1000 at the time of writing, which as it turned out, it over grew for all the wrong reasons.

What bugs me is that people say "BTC has lost 70% this year", whereas I look at it and say that in the last 15 months since that newsletter from sub $200 it's now north of $300.  I think that's a pretty good example of protecting against inflation, even if you don't consider it an investment.  Even if it goes below $300 it still isn't as bad as losing 50% in a year like the Ruble.  The USD will probably shine until the last moment (happens slowly at first, then all at once, type scenario).

I think the current price is the fair price (real value plus anticipated future value to some degree).

I read a lot on here saying we're in a bear market, but to me I'd say we're in a mild bull market, but it doesn't really have too much conviction at the moment.

I don't see >$1000 this year, maybe 2015 can easily overcome that if there is some compelling reason.  I'd like the price to go up, but even better I'd like to see people thinking as 1BTC=1BTC rather than value it in Fiat, then we'd never have to be concerned about the health of the Fiat currencies.  I guess I'll have to dream for a few years more.


Addendum:  I think the main thing that will push prices around for the forseeable future will be TA traders rather than fundamental paradigm change.

Silver is a better conductor.  Just need to keep it away from the elements since it tarnishes.

[Edit:] and copper for that matter.


I know we've all been brought up in a fiat/gold environment, and decades of habit are hard to overcome (I myself often do a mental calculation of what my current BTC holdings are in USD, and need to slap my own wrist for doing that), but if we start to think in BTC or whatever crypto rather than USD, then the conversion rate only matters when dealing with near term bricks and mortar transactions.

I first mined it at the GPU stage, then bought some, have also sold some out of need, and then after about 2 years finally got around to having my small website accept them (which remains as BTC and not cashed out to fiat).

One thing I wonder about a lot is this "Govenment wouldn't allow it', which reminds me of people who worshipped Greek gods or something.  If nobody worshiped them, then they'd cease to exist.  No need to fight them, or pay them to fight us...

Clicking on the link you gave me allows me to see transactions on any of the countries listed.
I also have another copy of the app on a laptop which is still updating the block chain, so when that's finished I'll try replacing the wallet.dat with my actual wallet.dat and see what happens there.  The desktop I'm having issues with at the moment was always okay until I upgraded.

One other point I forgot to mention is that the wallet is encrypted and currently locked.  Do I need to unlock it somehow to allow it to resynch with the blockchain?

I've tried disabling the firewall and checked the router which has no restrictions.  Any other ideas?

I recently backed up my wallet then installed Bitcoin version v0.7.0beta.  I encrypted the wallet, which it says is locked, and it's telling me the wallet is out of sync, which I presume it because I have zero connections.  I read somewhere that I need to make sure port 8333 needs to be open, but I haven'e changed anything about the router.

I apologise in advance if this is a simple fix already on the forum, but I've scanned around and cannot see anything about it.

How do I get connections and let the wallet update?

Regards
Paul

Here is an interesting development:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDsxkfI0O7I

I think Jim is getting a bit old and doddery (perhaps just too many oxidants?) but if you can follow this (11min) vid until where the lady starts talking, this is taking a very interesting turn.

I want to emphasise once more that this is not about MMS, it's about FDA.

Paul

Yes.

Though different people respond differently to different things.  I don't know why this keeps coming back to MMS, it's not about MMS, it's about Sovereignty and Freedom.

MMS is an oxidant, and too much of anything is probably not good for you.  Me personally I would say it's about balance.  Give your body both and let it decide.  Your body is smart.  The legal system, well that depends on how you view it and under what context you might want to define it as smart.

It's all a moot point since I revoked my original request.  I was hoping, actually confident, that the Bitcoin community would understand this, but I feel deflated and drained that I met resistance on this subject.  I keep checking in on this thread just to keep my 'toe in', but I know now that it's much like the 99% deal where people have an idea that something isn't right, but it's going to be many years and a lot of pain to get to the point of the subject.

I'm going to go away on holiday tomorrow and I'm not even taking a computer with me, my head is too full, so it'll be at least 7-10 days (probably 14, or more, I don't know) before I respond to this thread again, if it even exists by the time I get back online.  Please don't interpret that as capitulation, I will be back online, but not for a week or two, at least, as I perceive it now. I have my own business and personal issues to attend to, but was trying to drum up some interest before taking a vacation, which will be the first in 6, almost 7 years (including not taking christmas day or new years day off in that period), but now I'm doing it to presever my sanity.

Probably best to let this thread die and forget I even mentioned anything.

Paul

He's not hurting people, he's helping people!


Court case is:

Eastern District of Washington
U.S. District Court (Spokane)
CIVIL DOCKET FOR CASE #: 2:11-cv-00317-EFS

United States of America v. $22,361.83 US Funds Seized from Various Accounts et al
Assigned to: Judge Edward F. Shea
Cause: 21:841 Forfeiture Property-Drugs   
Date Filed: 08/26/2011
Jury Demand: None
Nature of Suit: 690 Forfeit/Penalty: Other
Jurisdiction: U.S. Government Plaintiff



I don't know why the above says "Jury Demand: None", as it is a Grand Jury pre-trial, or whatever the technical name for a pre-trial is (to determine if there is to be a trial proper.

It would be nice to have the funds to do a study like that.  I personally am nowhere near that kind of financial clout.

It's not an FBI case, and shouldn't even be an FDA case, since they deal with Food, Drugs and Cosmetics.  There should be no case, as it's a private membership, and more than that he'd even written to them before starting it, just as a precaution asking if they had any issue, and gave them 10 days to respond, after which he would assume by default that they gave consent.  There was no reply, just a long wait (about 6 months), then armed guards bursting into his house with his wife and family there, seizing all financial assets and stock, but no arrest.

The latest trick they've just pulled is to send him mail to "L. Daniel Smith" rather than "Daniel Smith", and after he opened it and seeing it was "L. Daniel Smith" realised that they'd duped him on another count, which goes like this (and I quote):

"18 U.S.C. § 1702

Whoever takes any letter, postal card, or package out of any post office or any authorized depository for mail matter, or from any letter or mail carrier, or which has been in any post office or authorized depository, or in the custody of any letter or mail carrier, before it has been delivered to the person to whom it was directed, with design to obstruct the correspondence, or to pry into the business or secrets of another, or opens, secretes, embezzles, or destroys the same, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both. "

So now they're aiming for mail fraud too as a backup. 

Shameful. 

Too late now though, the trial is just hours away.

I thought we were talking about Bitcoin and Sovereignty, but just to answer your question:

1.  The above is about chlorate, not *sodium* *chlorite*, acified sodium chlorite, or chlorine dioxide gas.
2.  Number of participants is not statistically solid, but lets ignore that as I'm not looking for a cop out.  Let's instead look at the numbers:  between 21.4 and 63.8mg/Kg were administered.  If you compare that the an average bottle of MMS1 being 120ml and 22.4% (since Sodium Chlorite is only shipped at 80% purity, the rest being sodium chloride), we get a maximum dose of 0.056mg per *person* (not per Kg), so if the average person was say 80Kg, that would be 0.0007mg rather than as much as 63.8mg - care to calculate that difference in percentage terms?  Millions of percent.  Still, it cleaned out the intestinal tract of the heifers pretty good don't you think?  At that dose it would probably take up all available hemoglobin for transport (if we're talking about a gas here) and prevent oxygen distribution, so I wouldn't personally want to try it, but we're not talking about the same thing at all.

Anyhow, about Bitcoin....  Enough about the MMS bashing as it's off topic.

And another thing:

This next link is about Vit C, not MMS, but the quotes are just as relevant in a Bitcoin sense:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0GC9Fq8lfg   (42:27 thu 43:52 for those who don't have time to plough through the whole thing).

I really wish people could see the Bitcoin case for freedom here instead of looking at MMS, but since that's where it's heading and the original request has been revoked (not forgetting that I never at any stage asked for donations for myself, but for a competitor to us, and that hopefully a trusted person (such as a mod) could be the holder of any funds to remove any accusation of a scam, which came about anyhow.

Your body needs oxidisers (or oxidizers for our american friends).
You body need ant-oxidants too.

Your body needs Sodium
Your body needs Potassium

This list could go on, but the point being that it's not what it is, but the dose and the combination.  i.e. if you want to take sodium then take potassium with it, in the right ratios, and don't blame one of them for causing the problem alone.  It's an old over used saying, but you can die from too much water (drinking I mean - not just drowning).  Does that make it a toxin?

If you take sodium chlorite and an acid, there is chlorine dioxide (which can save your life if you have pneumonia or something - but I'm not advocating snorting it or breathing it daily or anything like that).  My AZT reference is it's a nasty drug, and MMS will neutralise the drug (also the HIV symptoms go away, but yay AZT!  I know people personally with HIV, and they are symptomless - really!).  Anyhow I'm drifting from my point.  SC + Acid creates Acified Sodium Chlorite.  Now if you think about that in chemical terms (and I'd like to refer you to the document "3 years of HCl Therapy" which is about 80 years old.  If you put an acid like HCl, or give blood, or remove blood, then your immune system goes "WFT?" and kicks into action.  This is where I disagree with Humble, but tend to keep my mouth shut.  I *know* it works in many many cases, but I never make claims, because the reason I think it works is different than what most other people think.  If you drink Chlorine dioxide, the food in your belly will neutralise it in about 15 seconds.  If you don't believe me but want to test this without putting anyones life at risk, then acify some sodium chlorite (thereby making chlorine dioxide gas, which gives colour to the liquid) then put some food (eg. a piece of pizza in there) and you'll see with your eyes the gas is gone.  Now, if you consider that your immune system spends about 60% of it's time cleaning up the junk you eat, and the air that you breathe, and something can a) clean up the food and/or b) stimulate the immune system by creating an imbalance by whatever means, then the immune system is free to get on with other chores, like fighting whatever condition ails you, so you get a double bonus.

Add in some vitamin C, Sodium Thiosulphate or whatever and you have your anti-oxidants (exception: Vit C can conditionally be a pro-oxidant, depending on quantity and situation).

If I'd made the same appeal for assistance in defending Vitamin C or Green Tea, would the attacks have been as fierce?  Because they'll be next on the FDA hit list (well, with Codex Alimentarius there have already been some attempts).

I learnt this just this morning:  "FDA does not allow companies to include the word adaptogen as a 'functional claim'."  Police State here we come.  Soon we'll all have to be OpenMesh and TOR just to try to avoid getting arrested for growing our own vegetables or giving them to our neighbours(which is also something else being tried out right now!).

You Win.  I revoked my appeal already.  Time is precious.

If you look at what MMS does with AZT for example on a chemical level (eg. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thymidine) then you'd learn something.  I know some of these people personally and have experience of their dramas (eg. HIV symptoms disappearing entirely and can even get people to meet them personally if anyone was interested (note that unlike Humble I'm not claiming cure, I'm say lack of symptoms, which is an entirely different thing)), not just googling and finding unresolved sob stories.  How many people died of penicilin or too much water?.  I'm deeply disappointed in the Bitcoin community if this is representative of the average participant.  I wish responders to this thread well in whatever endeavours you choose, but I'm not looking for conflict here but co-operation.  Please though, learn predicate logic and how to take apart scientific fact from emotional appeal articles.  It's right there in the first responders post.

I back out now.  Case closed and will look elsewhere for support.

Regards
Paul

If you read the first post, I suggested that a moderator want to receive BTC, not myself.  This is a former competitor to Project GreenLife making a stand for his rights and all of ours.

I revoke my original request, I obviously misjudged the Bitcoin community.

Paul

Please search the internet and find something like wikipedia or and MSDS sheet, and you'll find that Sodium Chlorite is actually in the pH range of Alkaline.  Anyhow, I wasn't asking for a chemistry debate, but for people to stand together for Soverign rights as a freeman.  If you live in the "United States of America", that is a country.  This isn't the USA we're talking about, it's (and capitals intended for legal accuracy) the "UNITED STATES", which is not a country, but a corporation, which is in Washington DC, not the entire continent of the United States of America.  Note the difference in the presentation, mostly overlooked by the average person.  I would have thought proponents of Bitcoin would be kind'a into personal freedom.  Have I really got mixed up with the wrong crowd here?

Paul

Hi,

I haven't posted on here a lot, so realise I don't have much credibility, and if I'm on the wrong forum then ask that a Moderator advise, remove/delete or whatever the procedure is (I'm writing this in a rather rushed way, and not got up to speed on forum protocol).  Essentially I want to make an appeal for financial assistance from the Bitcoin community, and also get some signatures.  The basic story is as follows:

There is a product used by people for all manner of health (eg. HIV, Cancer, or a simple cold) as well has household uses, generally going be the name of MMS (Master Mineral Solution).  For disclosure, I am part of a company that sells this product, but I won't be mentioning that on here to avoid being accused of spamming.

The US Govt will in about a week be Taking Daniel of Project Greenlife, who was previously a competitor of ours and the biggest in the market place, before he had all his assets seized (but this is a matter of Sovereignty and freedom, not commercial competition) to a Grand Juror hearing to request permission for the FDA to classify MMS as a drug.  What MMS actually is, is Sodium Chlorite.

The reason I'm asking on the Bitcoin forum is this is an issue not just about this product, but also of personal freedom to choose, and the overwhelming control that the FDA (and their commercial sponsors) have over the Liberty of the individual.

I can give a whole lot more detail, and have just written to Daniel above to suggest that he get himself a BTC wallet (as he's likely never heard of Bitcoin), so I will get him up to speed on that asap. If there is a trusted member of the forum that is prepared to handle donations (I will of course be donating) rather sending to an unknown person, so as to remove any doubt as to the genuine intent of this email, then I'm sure that would make everyone a bit more comfortable in accepting that this is a genuine appeal rather than some half baked scam.

Even if you do not wish to donate BTC, but are already familiar with MMS, then I would very much appreciate if you would be prepared to contribute a signature at the following address http://iamnotananimal.org/ as the goal is >10,000 signatures that can be used to convince the Jury that there is no case here and permission to the FDA should not granted. Daniel has spent the last several months getting up to speed in "natual/univeral" Law (the difference between Legal and Lawful, USA the country versus US the corporation), and will be doing a lot of his own representation, but there are still costs involved.  I'm not a legal expert, and quite frankly find the whole thing overwhelming, but just want to do whatever I can to get support for him, as a loss for one is a loss for all.

Further, if anyone knows of groups that may be sympathetic to this cause, we could generate a lot more publicity for Bitcoin as well, and make this a win/win situation.

With respect,
Paul