Since you're neg-reping scammers, might as well as do this one too: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3001489.0Shilling a known scammer's posts on another forum, and apparently is still trying to bump the scam threads despite evidence being posted in his thread. I don't see enough evidence to tag it. I'll keep watching it. I recommend you to open a thread here with the proper format |
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Although I think that's the best solution, I see other options too: - Making the whole Marketplace board available only to registered users. Guests would be forwarded to the registration form when trying to reach it.
I like this idea. It would cut down on the number of people coming here to attempt to engage in shady dealings to occur offsite. This would also hurt the google search result rankings of websites that are posted by these shady characters. - Showing red trust for everyone until they register and set up their trust list. Something similar to what theymos is thinking about for registered users with DefaultTrust only.
This is basically the trust system currently with certain very shady people running around giving negative trust in masse. I think this dilutes the effect of a warning of an actual scammer, or a likely scammer. It would also make it easier for a scammer to fake having legitimate trust when they tell their marks that they have their trust settings setup incorrectly. The last suggestion I gave is my least preferred one (but it's still somewhat better than doing nothing). I'd rather have the DefaultTrust shown, or the Marketplace hidden behind the login wall. I would also point out that your proposal would not address the fact that the forum has many mirrors run by others, and it would be nearly impossible to force those mirrors to display trust ratings.
Good point. However it seems several mirrors like bitcointalk dot to (which is probably the biggest) just copy all the pages as shown to guests/crawlers. If default trust is shown in those cases I'd guess that would be included there too. If it's not then there's nothing we can do but at least it would appear on bitcointalk.org which I'm sure drives much more traffic than all its mirrors put together.
Although I think that's the best solution, I see other options too: - Making the whole Marketplace board available only to registered users. Guests would be forwarded to the registration form when trying to reach it.
- Showing red trust for everyone until they register and set up their trust list. Something similar to what theymos is thinking about for registered users with DefaultTrust only.
If I may add another option, similar to your first option but slightly different - disabling/hiding off-forum links for unregistered user, replace it with standard redirection to register page
so they won't be able to follow the link or copy paste the urls unless the seller use certain masking technique to write urls on the their threads this way we can still attract new bitcoin user to join the forum when they found us thru marketplace searches I'd like this idea if it were possible to implement. But I don't think it is. Hiding websites, emails, skype info, ICQ numbers and others seems like an impractical task. It would be extremely easy to trick any system trying to do that. |
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Since they create new accounts who have no negative trust anyway
They're not. I've seen they're staying with their flagged accounts ( ex1, ex2, ex3, ex4). It seems they don't care about the negative trust. That's an additional reason why I think their main target are guests who can't see that negative trust. And fortunately, it's much easier to leave negative trust than to create a new account and a new thread. might be a better solution to make it so that one cannot create a topic untill having reached a rank like junior member orso. This would solve scammers creating new accounts just to post topics.
Then they would keep their account until they're Jr and up (like the examples I posted) and keep posting their threads, regardless of the negative trust.
Merit and rank requirement would make a lot of sense.
It wouldn't solve the problem of guests not seeing any warnings and being scammed, unfortunately.
EditI don't think it should be allowed Newbie to open a new thread. Maybe only few section in the forum for beginners and help.
it's too much opened shitty discussion like "How to make 1 bitcoin in a month or 2" "buying coins" "How to sell my house" etc.. This is topic created by Newbie, and their purpose is just to increase activity and post counting.
Or users make an alt account and attack someone who has resented them, but they keep the original account
I think maybe of hundred new topics Newbie created the only one can be useful.
From Newbie to Jr.member is not a long way, even if they need merit, but this is enough time to reduce the number of new accounts created only to open one or two thread and spam with a link or frustration because it was rejected from the bounty campaign.
They have too many rights, just after registration.
You have a point. But this is off-topic here. I'm looking to solve the problem about guests being scammed because they don't see any trust or warnings at all. The money launderers are Jr and Members as much as Newbies. |
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Maybe force people to join up to read the forum
That's another option, yes: Although I think that's the best solution, I see other options too: - Making the whole Marketplace board available only to registered users. Guests would be forwarded to the registration form when trying to reach it.
But something needs to be done. |
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DT is flawed though. Even theymos agrees and is encouraging people to tailor lists
Agreed. And that can be encouraged (even forced) for registered users. But guests can't customize their trust list. Showing the default trust is much better than not showing anything at all |
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Thempanince, premiumCodes, baluba and uniqueAmazon have been flagged. Thanks. It's a shame non-registered users can't see the warnings. It seems they are the main target of these sellers. I hope that changes soon. |
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Lately a lot of new accounts have been posting direct buy links or external contact information to trade gift cards or similar digital goods. These links are published on self-moderated and locked threads so no comments are possible other than fake vouches by their alt accounts. As a result a lot of people get scammed and the sellers launder money. I've been trying to fight this by leaving negative trust to those accounts. Hopefully a red warning will help. However since they try to sell off-forum, either on auto-buy external sites, skype or similar, it seems their main target are non-registered users finding the threads using Google. Exactly those users are the ones who don't see any red warning on the sellers' accounts (in case you didn't know, trust is shown to registered users only). At the moment it's not possible to warn them in any way. The result is bitcointalk is helping users to be scammed and sellers to launder money. What I'm asking is those non-registered users to see the default trust. It wouldn't add any significant load to the server because it can be cached since the same information would be shown for every guest, web crawler et al. Although I think that's the best solution, I see other options too: - Making the whole Marketplace board available only to registered users. Guests would be forwarded to the registration form when trying to reach it.
- Showing red trust for everyone until they register and set up their trust list. Something similar to what theymos is thinking about for registered users with DefaultTrust only.
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Encouraging donations and, therefore, more nodes to be run
I'm not interested in being paid for running full nodes. Fair enough, good for you. But the lack of incentives definitely makes fewer nodes to be available. I'm running a full node regardless of whether I get paid or not (I'd prefer if donations cover at least partially the cost of course but I'll continue regardless). However for most people that's not the case. It wouldn't work out well anyhow. Users would create multiple accounts and claim on every account that they were running a full node. Then they'd set up fake full nodes so they could get paid. I'm just suggesting a list, not an automated paying system. Besides addresses can be verified at least to some extend, for example through bitnodes. Connecting to nodes held by users you trust
Bitcoin doesn't require trust. Yes, most of the cases. But I'm thinking on special cases like connecting to a single trusted node on Bitcoin Wallet for Android.
If you want to get paid for running a full node
The main objective of this (draft) idea is to increase the number of full nodes in general. |
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I just set up my own full node running Bitcoin Core 0.16.0: node.ecua.mobiIs there any list of full nodes run by bitcointalk users? I can't find it if there is. It could help to: - Encouraging donations and, therefore, more nodes to be run
- Connecting to nodes held by users you trust
- Knowing whom to talk to about some project developments, or to ask for a node to be updated
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I have about BTC0.035 remaining to sell
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I see it's obvious he has a lot of alts. However I can't find any real proof of scam attempt on any of his alts. Some accounts have negative trust but without references so they're not useful. Also, he's not selling on locked, self-moderated threads. What exactly are you asking me to tag him for? Please direct me to some accusation with proof. Update: I've tagged several of his alts by linking them to egiftstarbucks2015, already tagged by Tomatocage (thanks sandy-is-fine ) |
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Here you go: https://bitcointalk.org/merit.txt.xzSimilar to trust.txt.xz, it'll be updated weekly. It will show only the last 120 days of data; someone else should archive the old ones if you want them. Great, thanks. I'll start downloading it to my server and writing some scripts I am especially interested in analyses of this data which could point to sub-communities where the initial sMerit is exhausted and new sources are necessary, and people who might be good merit sources.
I'll try to do something like that. However it seems knowing what board/sub-community every msg belongs to would require crawling the forum a lot. For the moment I'll aggregate total merits sent from one user to another and direct exchange of merits between 2 users; and I'll do my best about finding small groups of users sending merits to each other. |
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Thanks for bringing this up. I'm used to getting retaliatory negative feedback at this point, but this is just obnoxious. Looks like you got it even worse than I did unfortunately. I know untrusted feedback doesn't really count for much, but it's still nice to have a clean record of previous deals, when most of them haven't been with DT members. Hopefully this will be addressed.
Agreed. Fortunately untrusted feedback goes mostly ignored, and I'm used to getting a lot of untrusted fake feedback, but 1,539 lines left by the same newbie in just a few minutes is just ridiculous. |
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My problem with subtoshi is that it redirects to pages without .php but apache2 only opens if it has .php in the end, would anyone know how to solve it? I think I was already helping. Thank you.
This can be solved with a simple URL-rewrite. For example, this makes everything to be handled by index.php RewriteEngine on
RewriteCond %{REQUEST_FILENAME} !-d
RewriteCond %{REQUEST_FILENAME} !-f
RewriteRule . index.php [L] I haven't used subtoshi so I wouldn't know the exact requirement. |
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I've tagged him and some of his alts. I'm watching others until I get more proof. Thanks sandy-is-fine and bolinao |
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About ten days ago maybe 13 I saw so many scammers on the first two pages of market place I was impressed enough to post a warning thread. Hoping to save some people grief .
I'm here because I saw EcuaMobi's warning thread in the Marketplace. I didn't see yours, and I've included the Marketplace board on my watchlist. Sad, because it just goes to show how many scammers are starting new threads lately. I didn't see philipma1957's warning either. Unfortunately every non-bumped thread gets lost pretty soon there. A fair warning should be sticked on Digital Goods especially.
I just want to show my support to disallowing self-moderation for newbies. I'd also forbid them to unlock threads. Locking is sometimes required for them. I've warned several newbies asking for loans without collateral for example, giving them a chance to immediately close and lock their threads instead of getting negative trust. When a newbie locks a thread, a warning should be shown telling them they won't be allowed to unlock them, so no more bumps for them. Locked would really mean closed.
Done |
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Why is the forum even allowing this feature, though? It seems to be constantly abused to scam newbies to the forum, and I personally can't see any benefit to allowing the self-moderation option in a sales subforum, where the replies are a good way to get reviews of scammers.
I agree it shouldn't be allowed, and even more so self-moderated + locked. This point should be discussed here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2929216.0Anyway, escrow should always be used. |
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Or at least when trust is added from newbie and junior account (since for members now you have to post quality content and I doubt scammers will want to give their time for that) for instance to color it differently from black, green and red trust that is given out. As spammers usually create new accounts to give this "fake trust" they might be even selling it to other people who knows.
I think using that many colors would be confusing and wouldn't help. Adding some limits would be better, especially to newbies and junior members. |
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