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221  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: Cooperative mining (>70Ghash/s) on: February 25, 2011, 10:17:38 PM
What's with

1468     2011-02-25 10:11:58     1:13:34     75678     xxxxxx     110332      invalid

If you had actually read every post in this thread like you said, then you would already know that that means that we (the pool) submitted a valid solution for Block 110331 AFTER somebody else had already submitted a valid solution for Block 110331. Therefor, our solution was discarded.

And WHICH OTHER post explained this  SMART ASS
222  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: Cooperative mining (>70Ghash/s) on: February 25, 2011, 09:48:49 PM
What's with

1468     2011-02-25 10:11:58     1:13:34     75678     xxxxxx     110332      invalid
223  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: Cooperative mining (>20Ghash/s, join us!) on: February 23, 2011, 10:32:21 PM
I got Questions so I"M A TROOL

MORE BS

I won't even comment on WHAT "THE GECK" is

If you don't like Slush's pool, feel free use another or mine solo. If your concerns are valid, others will be doing the same and Slush will adjust to meet his customer's needs or go out of business. I personally don't think your concerns are valid, and will continue to use Slush's pool (for the short time remaining that mining with a single GPU is worthwhile).

My concerns deserve answers PERIOD
Calling me names and telling me to not use the pool are bs
Why can't these questions be answered Huh?
What are you people hiding ??

For crying out loud this guy running the pool is from god knows where
he can quit tomarrow and take all the remaning coins with him
224  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: Cooperative mining (>20Ghash/s, join us!) on: February 23, 2011, 10:11:49 PM
are you working on it, slush?

Yes, I'm working on it right now. Pretty complex
task, trust me.

And please, don't feed trolls.

I got Questions so I"M A TROOL

MORE BS

I won't even comment on WHAT "THE GECK" is
225  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: Cooperative mining (>20Ghash/s, join us!) on: February 23, 2011, 10:03:01 PM
This board is a JOKE

bottom line you get what SLUSH pays you period
Don't complain or it won't be seen

He was dropping PAID donation to 1%
When ... Next Xmas of what yr

I think this score payout  nonsense is BS
Just an excuse to screw the little miner
It makes NO sence what does it accomplish
Who gets the benefit ?
A lot of work for what purpose ?
226  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: Cooperative mining (>20Ghash/s, join us!) on: February 23, 2011, 08:56:48 PM
Guess I just don't get it how is the new scoring system FAIR
Why are Early shares devalued Huh
A Share is a share

I'm upping what i do and getting about the same reward

Slush explained in extreme depth why the score/share changes were made and how they lead to nearly exactly the same average rewards over time. And even posted charts to prove it.


That's my point "OVERTIME"
overtime don't seem fair
what i'm doing now or did in the past
Why is it fair to say take a smaller pay out this round
at the end of the day we'll catch you up if your still arround

I can't see unequal shares as being fair

I've doubled or better my hash rate for next to nothing

I understand the cheating problem was people comming in at the last moment
This new method just favors those finding shares in the last moments
HOW is that any different

What you make per round is irrelevant. The only thing that is relevant is what you make over time. What you make per round is subject to many many different variables that are out of your control. What you make overtime is directly controlled by your hashrate (and difficulty).

If I live that long

I think you are WRONG
it's still luck of the draw

I've had some of those las minuite or short runs
NO BIG WIN
227  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: Cooperative mining (>20Ghash/s, join us!) on: February 23, 2011, 08:54:47 PM
Guess I just don't get it how is the new scoring system FAIR
Why are Early shares devalued Huh
A Share is a share

I'm upping what i do and getting about the same reward

Slush explained in extreme depth why the score/share changes were made and how they lead to nearly exactly the same average rewards over time. And even posted charts to prove it.


That's my point "OVERTIME"
overtime don't seem fair
what i'm doing now or did in the past
Why is it fair to say take a smaller pay out this round
at the end of the day we'll catch you up if your still arround

I can't see unequal shares as being fair

I've doubled or better my hash rate for next to nothing

I understand the cheating problem was people comming in at the last moment
This new method just favors those finding shares in the last moments
HOW is that any different

bobR, the pool if voluntary. If you don't like it, mine on your own. That way you don't have to worry about concepts of "fairness" or "statistics". If slush sees ways that people are getting paid disproportionately from the work they put in, I'm happy that he changes the rules so that it stops that from happening. If you don't, get out of the pool.

The amount you make each second, each minute, each hour is inconsequential if you mine as slush's pool is designed to be used. If you don't use his product as designed, then you will have a worse experience.

And the cheating problem was those coming in at the beginning and then leaving. Please, read the posts before becoming irate.

Quote from: Raulo
For those who don't want to bother reading it, the optimal strategy is to join the pool at the start of a new round and stop pooled mining after 43.5% fraction of the current difficulty of shares was contributed and start mining solo. This strategy will bring 28% of extra income compared to only pooled or only individual mining.

I've READ EVERY POST IN THIS DAMN THREAD

stop being a blow hard
228  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: Cooperative mining (>20Ghash/s, join us!) on: February 23, 2011, 08:20:47 PM
Guess I just don't get it how is the new scoring system FAIR
Why are Early shares devalued Huh
A Share is a share

I'm upping what i do and getting about the same reward

Slush explained in extreme depth why the score/share changes were made and how they lead to nearly exactly the same average rewards over time. And even posted charts to prove it.


That's my point "OVERTIME"
overtime don't seem fair
what i'm doing now or did in the past
Why is it fair to say take a smaller pay out this round
at the end of the day we'll catch you up if your still arround

I can't see unequal shares as being fair

I've doubled or better my hash rate for next to nothing

I understand the cheating problem was people comming in at the last moment
This new method just favors those finding shares in the last moments
HOW is that any different
229  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: Cooperative mining (>20Ghash/s, join us!) on: February 23, 2011, 07:57:02 PM
Guess I just don't get it how is the new scoring system FAIR
Why are Early shares devalued Huh
A Share is a share

I'm upping what i do and getting about the same reward
230  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: Cooperative mining (>20Ghash/s, join us!) on: February 21, 2011, 09:37:34 PM
You could set up variables in that bat file to handle passwd login etc
if you ever change those  would be only one change at the top instead of in 3-4 places in


I was getting tired of typing the long lines of code evertime i wanted to start Poclbm or Rpcminer-cpu, so i made a startup menu for them



Just put Poclbm en rpcminer-cpu in the same directory and define the right directory and username.workername in the Startminers.bat

Save this code as StartMiners.bat
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
@echo off
REM 1. Put both programs in one directory
REM 2. Adjust the directory for right program directory at rule 25
REM 3. Adjust the account and password names for both miners at rule 27 to 30
REM 4. Save as startminers.bat
cls
:menu
echo.
echo.
echo *****************************************************************
echo.
echo     Bitcoin CPU and GPU Miners Startmenu
echo.
echo *****************************************************************
echo.
echo.
echo 1 - Start RPCMiner with 1 CPU/Thread  to khash/s, ctrl c to stop
echo.
echo 2 - Start RPCMiner with 2 CPU/Threads to khash/s, ctrl c to stop
echo.
echo 3 - Start PoclbmMiner on GPU to khash/s, ctrl c to stop
echo.
echo 4 - Exit
echo.
echo.
cd "C:\Users\yourpc\Downloads\Bitcoin\rpcminer"
SET /P M=Type 1, 2, 3, or 4 then press enter:
IF %M%== 1 start rpcminer-cpu -url=http://mining.bitcoin.cz:8332 -user=accountname.workername -password=password -statsurl=http://mining.bitcoin.cz/stats/json/ -threads=1
IF %M%== 2 start rpcminer-cpu -url=http://mining.bitcoin.cz:8332 -user=accountname.workername -password=password -statsurl=http://mining.bitcoin.cz/stats/json/ -threads=2
IF %M%== 3 start poclbm --host=mining.bitcoin.cz --port=8332 --user=accountname.workername --pass=password --device=0
IF %M%== 4 GOTO EOF
cls
GOTO MENU

231  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: Cooperative mining (>20Ghash/s, join us!) on: February 21, 2011, 09:33:37 PM
How do reboots of your puter,  restarts of mining effect ?

You disconnect from the pool. When your computer starts again, you can reconnect. You take the risk of submitting work at the time when the pool finds a block, thereby reducing your payout via the score system.

Thought that was the case
been working on one puter
guess i just take the loss with all the reboots
At least I got it starting on reboots now
232  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: Cooperative mining (>20Ghash/s, join us!) on: February 21, 2011, 08:35:13 PM
How do reboots of your puter,  restarts of mining effect ?
233  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: Cooperative mining (>20Ghash/s, join us!) on: February 21, 2011, 07:46:19 PM
hah you should do that more often, just nailed 3 blocks in <30 minutes.

Haha Smiley

Three servers are up and running. Looks like it helped, invalid shares should be much less often.

ok I hate to be stupid
How does this work with 3 servers

Think i got the new method part
smaller payout but more of them = the same daily profit
234  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: Cooperative mining (>20Ghash/s, join us!) on: February 20, 2011, 10:11:08 PM
Like I said color me gone
somebodys later share  isnt worth crap if didnt contribute first

bad day shit  it's been this way since slush changed his payout
per share was fair even with the possible cheating
THIS IS NOT

No, payouts/block went down significantly when the GHash/Sec being contributed nearly doubled, thus making your tiny portion less significant. But, that alone would still average to the same amount of payout per day or week since we'd be solving more blocks.

But, then the difficulty also adjusted upwards by ~40%. THAT is what has reduced your daily/weekly payout.

Quote
giving the last share more is not fair to those that got him there

You obviously don't understand how this works. This is like playing the lottery. The actions beforehand have ABSOLUTELY NO BEARING on the outcome of the next play. What you contributed early did absolutely nothing to increase the odds of somebody solving a block shortly there after.

And you also obviously know nothing about statistics and variance. Over time, you will average out to exactly the same total daily/weekly payout due to sometimes submitting shares at the beginning and sometimes submitting shares at the end. Look at the graphs that Slush posted when he made this change. They conclusively show that everything works out nearly exactly the same (except for severely punishing cheaters) over time.

ok I back off for a while
but i dissagree you are correct it's like the loto
EXCEPT in a pool
what part is done by each individual share contributes equally to finding the correct answer

or from your statement  no one result is any better than any other
Which is what i said later submissions should have no benefit over early submissions


oh dificulty went up
I've not see it...I'm seeing more shares contributed for less pay back
235  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: Cooperative mining (>20Ghash/s, join us!) on: February 20, 2011, 10:00:55 PM
it's been this way since slush changed his payout per share was fair even with the possible cheating

Yes, the new scoring somewhat favors faster contributors (who will have a lower ratio of stale shares and a better chance of generating shares closer in time to the pool hitting) - But then, the entire BTC infrastructure favors horsepower over participation, so either take your few pennies a day, or go solo and pray that you ever hit a block within the next few years.  OR, start your own purely-proportional shared pool.  Simple as that.   Roll Eyes

Personally, even as a somewhat-penalized low-h/s contributor, I greatly appreciate what Slush has done for us by making it possible to generate any BTC at all without a high-powered GPU to throw at the task.



How is FAVORING any contributers fair
the faster they can hash is enough advantage
they get a bigger partial of the coins for more shares
screwing those that only contribute a few shares is hardly fair
especially because they got them early in the go
236  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: Cooperative mining (>20Ghash/s, join us!) on: February 20, 2011, 09:42:16 PM
Like I said color me gone
somebodys later share  isnt worth crap if didnt contribute first

bad day shit  it's been this way since slush changed his payout
per share was fair even with the possible cheating
THIS IS NOT

giving the last share more is not fair to those that got him there
 
237  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: Cooperative mining (>20Ghash/s, join us!) on: February 20, 2011, 09:02:14 PM
.00000209 coin pay out
39646 total shares

REALLY

that's BS
39646 shares contributed who is getting all the coins

not the shares even after deducting 2 for you

48/39646 is .0012107 NOT EVEN CLOSE to a full share
how can i have a fraction of a share Huh?

Somebody is getting a free ride
Who's Idea of fair is this
Send me some of what they were smokin
238  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: Cooperative mining (>20Ghash/s, join us!) on: February 20, 2011, 08:35:39 PM
Oh and I thought the IMPOSED FEE
was reduced to 1%
as announced days ago
239  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: Cooperative mining (>20Ghash/s, join us!) on: February 20, 2011, 08:27:14 PM
This new deal is supposed to be fair
Ya right
before i got a few pennies per round a coin or half coin in a week maybe more
now its imaginary   .001, .0009 , e-8  wait 2 days for .o1
Then wait hrs to get .1 coin in you wallet
Email says it's sent but another hr before it hits your wallet
Thats bs   7 shares for .ooo8 coin
How is that fair   
was better before

COLOR ME GONE
240  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: Cooperative mining (>20Ghash/s, join us!) on: February 17, 2011, 09:50:20 PM
the pay out was so low I spent more on electric
penalizing early shares is not the way to go

...said bobR after three rounds of (probably) bad luck.

(But if you mine using CPU, you are probably right. The electricity cost more than you mine. It is just the nice way how to get your first bitcoins to play with - except Bitcoin Faucet).

maybe it was just luck but     0E-8    pay out sheesh
I don't mind getting a fraction
but thats one step above ZERO
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