Adam's WO never was a closed-elite club
But that's why this discussion exists. It's been clearly stated that the thread's a goner unless something is done. I don't think it should be elites, but certain standards put in place from the off would ensure its survival. The problem stated by theymos is that a lot of unrelated posts were being reported to moderators, but I saw nowhere he describing that those off-topic were posted by newbies, Jr Members, Members, Full Members and Senior Members ONLY. Maybe what pissed him off was the alt shill and nazi r0ach (look, he's a Legendary  !). If theymos states it's statistically proven that the problem is related to lower badges I'll grab my stuff and go away, so far Marcus and yourself are arguing enforced by data YOU DO NOT KNOW and he's clearly moved by hate and scorn. What Marcus is suggesting is not unreasonable - because it has the potential to eliminate a lot of the need to moderate, and surely lower ranking members could still read the WO thread and there are other places that they could participate in order to rank-up. I agree with you that it is likely not necessary to make the thread as exclusive that Marcus is suggesting - but I don't see any reason to allow posting rights to newbie and Jr member accounts (and I would even extend this to "member") - especially if there are goals to 1) take a way a lot of moderating responsibilities, 2) let the thread go as mostly unmoderated 3) allow all kinds of bullshit topics that would not otherwise be allowed in the speculation section of the forum - which is part of the WO thread history. Personally, I don't have any problem with full member and above, but my consideration is nothing personal, and anyone below full member should recognize that nothing personal is meant by excluding them. On the other hand, I believe that leaving the matter to hero and legendary levels, would be overkill and potentially cause way to much sterilizing of the thread - which is a considerable departure from it's history. One more point (on the other hand... I know it is my third hand), if all ranks are allowed to participate, of course we get the benefits of the community and newbie input - but at the same time, moderators are likely going to have to moderate a lot harder.. and deal with such clutter, yet most moderators are likely going to give more benefit of the doubt to higher ranking accounts, anyhow, even if some high ranking accounts (such as roach) are known for a particularly high level of offense, vile and off-topicness and would likely be subject to more "censorship" than an overwhelming majority of the accounts of a similar rank... in other words, accounts like roach seem to be the exception rather than the rule and most accounts of a similar rank are not even close to his tendencies in the seemingly censorable direction. Surely, I believe all Legendaries and Heroes can agree with that. It won't harm you. I'd do a research and bring you here all the Non-high-ranked posts that have aggregated and contributed to make Wall Observer what it is known to be - probably the most reliable Bitcoin debate you can find in internet, far more than /r Unlimited fans - but I'm sure it would flood this thread and make theymos angry. So, you can do that by yourself, the thread is still open to consult. Be honest to your conscience and look there if only Legendaries and Heroes helped building the largest thread in BTCT history... You seem to be getting way too fucking emotional about this. Did you even read what I wrote? I suggested full members and above, personally. Furthermore, I understand the situation on a personal level, and I probably am in the top 5 quantity-wise posters in the WO thread. I had been posting in that thread from newbie, and yeah, I have more than 80% of my total forum posts in that thread. Your suggestion that someone is biased in their perspective merely because they might benefit is ridiculous and seems to be without merit. Theymos and mods are presenting us with a particular situation and problem and at the same time allowing us to contribute input into possible solutions, and even though Marcus's suggestion is not likely to be fully adopted, it still remains a decent way to consider possible ways to address the problem and allow for various resolutions that will allow the continuation of the WO thread in a decent approximation of its former self - while addressing some moderation concerns. Dude, I understood your point about adding Full Members to the "few-selected-list". My point is that theymos never stated the problem was low-ranked being reported to moderators. Until he comes here and says "You Newbies, Jr Members, Members, Full Members and Senior Members are the problem here! You're not allowed to mix with the forum deities who receive Marcus respect!" what Marcus and all those who defend high-ranks-posting-only are saying is based on assumptions. You assume that MAYBE the thread was closed because low-ranks are sabotaging. Ok, show me where theymos stated this! |
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I think two relatively simple rules will eliminate a lot of the chaff and spam without impacting the 'sensible off-topicness':
1) you need to be Hero or Legendary member or member joined before 2014to post in WO
2) posts in WO do not add to a posters Activity Count
To me it's pretty clear you want WO to turn into a Legendary-closed club.
How is it possible to be misunderstood?
Straight off the bat you are twisting/lying to 'prove' your point. This is why it is pointless arguing with propagandists like you, there is no 'arguing' or honest debate for elucidation or problem solving, it is simply an all for show spewing of opinions to warp readers minds. Anyone can read I said Hero or Legendary and in the warped view you present of my words to the world (to yourself?) it becomes "Legendary-closed club". It is nearly impossible to misunderstand yet you did immediately ... and then put those words in my mouth. NB: I would consider extending that condition to include Full members (is that the one below Hero)? if it could be shown they behave themselves in the WO archives. Come on! I wrote Legendary-only but it was implicit I was referring to the context of "only-high-ranked". If it was not I wouldn't be stupid to quote the whole sentence. |
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I think two relatively simple rules will eliminate a lot of the chaff and spam without impacting the 'sensible off-topicness':
1) you need to be Hero or Legendary member or member joined before 2014to post in WO
2) posts in WO do not add to a posters Activity Count
To me it's pretty clear you want WO to turn into a Legendary-closed club.
How is it possible to be misunderstood?
Straight off the bat you are twisting/lying to 'prove' your point. This is why it is pointless arguing with propagandists like you, there is no 'arguing' or honest debate for elucidation or problem solving, it is simply an all for show spewing of opinions to warp readers minds. Anyone can read I said Hero or Legendary and in the warped view you present of my words to the world (to yourself?) it becomes "Legendary-closed club". It is nearly impossible to misunderstand yet you did immediately ... and then put those words in my mouth. NB: I would consider extending that condition to include Full members (is that the one below Hero)? if it could be shown they behave themselves in the WO archives. LOL YOU EDITED IT!!!! You can state you wrote anything, YOU'RE EDITING YOUR POSTS. Moderators could acces the log, this " or member joined before 2014to post in WO" was added later! |
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I am not quite sure where your angriness come from, but let's just clarify that I haven't appointed anything myself.
I have just tried the get the ball rolling on the list compilation and nothing else. Anyone can (and should) update the list themselves. You have a strange sense of what is decision power or elitist bullshit.
It's just a list of people that have expressed their willingness to help with the moderation of the thread. That's all about it. Geez.
Maybe it's coming from the fact that you did not include Marcus fragile ego in the list of candidates. Anyway good you did not. He showed up himself and what he thinks the WO should be. IMO a diametrically opposing view of what theymos kindly proposes by ASKING ALL OF US how it could be, considering the options. Uh, and let's not forget ONLY NEWBIES are not allowed to vote, so I'll just shut up here and let the poll express what it will be. |
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Adam's WO never was a closed-elite club
But that's why this discussion exists. It's been clearly stated that the thread's a goner unless something is done. I don't think it should be elites, but certain standards put in place from the off would ensure its survival. The problem stated by theymos is that a lot of unrelated posts were being reported to moderators, but I saw nowhere he describing that those off-topic were posted by newbies, Jr Members, Members, Full Members and Senior Members ONLY. Maybe what pissed him off was the alt shill and nazi r0ach (look, he's a Legendary !). If theymos states it's statistically proven that the problem is related to lower badges I'll grab my stuff and go away, so far Marcus and yourself are arguing enforced by data YOU DO NOT KNOW and he's clearly moved by hate and scorn. What Marcus is suggesting is not unreasonable - because it has the potential to eliminate a lot of the need to moderate, and surely lower ranking members could still read the WO thread and there are other places that they could participate in order to rank-up. I agree with you that it is likely not necessary to make the thread as exclusive that Marcus is suggesting - but I don't see any reason to allow posting rights to newbie and Jr member accounts (and I would even extend this to "member") - especially if there are goals to 1) take a way a lot of moderating responsibilities, 2) let the thread go as mostly unmoderated 3) allow all kinds of bullshit topics that would not otherwise be allowed in the speculation section of the forum - which is part of the WO thread history. Personally, I don't have any problem with full member and above, but my consideration is nothing personal, and anyone below full member should recognize that nothing personal is meant by excluding them. On the other hand, I believe that leaving the matter to hero and legendary levels, would be overkill and potentially cause way to much sterilizing of the thread - which is a considerable departure from it's history. One more point (on the other hand... I know it is my third hand), if all ranks are allowed to participate, of course we get the benefits of the community and newbie input - but at the same time, moderators are likely going to have to moderate a lot harder.. and deal with such clutter, yet most moderators are likely going to give more benefit of the doubt to higher ranking accounts, anyhow, even if some high ranking accounts (such as roach) are known for a particularly high level of offense, vile and off-topicness and would likely be subject to more "censorship" than an overwhelming majority of the accounts of a similar rank... in other words, accounts like roach seem to be the exception rather than the rule and most accounts of a similar rank are not even close to his tendencies in the seemingly censorable direction. Surely, I believe all Legendaries and Heroes can agree with that. It won't harm you. I'd do a research and bring you here all the Non-high-ranked posts that have aggregated and contributed to make Wall Observer what it is known to be - probably the most reliable Bitcoin debate you can find in internet, far more than /r Unlimited fans - but I'm sure it would flood this thread and make theymos angry. So, you can do that by yourself, the thread is still open to consult. Be honest to your conscience and look there if only Legendaries and Heroes helped building the largest thread in BTCT history... |
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... ill informed ranting ... further unfounded accusations ... projecting .... etc etc
... you were the first to post an accusation of elitism (against me) ... you'll need to prove that first or leave the real arguments to people who know what they are talking about and (bla bla bla I am more special than you are). (I suspect you might simply be trying to derail a civil discussion here so that WO never opens again). Ok, let's go: I think two relatively simple rules will eliminate a lot of the chaff and spam without impacting the 'sensible off-topicness':
1) you need to be Hero or Legendary member to post in WO
2) posts in WO do not add to a posters Activity Count
To me it's pretty clear you want WO to turn into a Legendary-closed club. How is it possible to be misunderstood? |
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Adam's WO never was a closed-elite club
But that's why this discussion exists. It's been clearly stated that the thread's a goner unless something is done. I don't think it should be elites, but certain standards put in place from the off would ensure its survival. The problem stated by theymos is that a lot of unrelated posts were being reported to moderators, but I saw nowhere he describing that those off-topic were posted by newbies, Jr Members, Members, Full Members and Senior Members ONLY. Maybe what pissed him off was the alt shill and nazi r0ach (look, he's a Legendary !). If theymos states it's statistically proven that the problem is related to lower badges I'll grab my stuff and go away, so far Marcus and yourself are arguing enforced by data YOU DO NOT KNOW and he's clearly moved by hate and scorn. |
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I think two relatively simple rules will eliminate a lot of the chaff and spam without impacting the 'sensible off-topicness':
1) you need to be Hero or Legendary member to post in WO
2) posts in WO do not add to a posters Activity Count
(... bla bla bla elite supremacist bullshit)
NO! I'm a full member participating in WO since I was a Newbie and it's been the thread I've most participated, asked and responded in this whole forum. Turn it in a closed elite club is throwing away A LOT of people who can aggregate. Just to be clear, the guy who's compiling the list and helping most is bitserve, another Full Member just like me. Quite frankly I don't agree with you and bitserve appointing yourselves somehow as 'moderator selectors' or 'moderator selection process deciders' or whatever you want to call the bullshit elitist process bullies and gatekeepers you have self-appointed yourselves as ... that really seems like elitist bullshit to me. So piss off newbie and take your offensive response attitude with you. You already have you closed elite-club, so YOU PISS OFF and go there have fun with your sheepy friends who pretend to think you're a smart and lovely person. Adam's WO never was a closed-elite club, but you and Meuh seem to be happy with yours, so don't take your time to come here talk this kind of bullshit, be restrict to your club, I promise you I'll never step in there anyway. |
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I like the idea of free speech! Thats more in keeping with Adams original thread.
For Adam!  Any thread where a post like this survives definitely has (so far) a light touch moderation. So now I have to follow Marcus' thread and this one  Marcus is an asshole who wants the locked WO to be a closed elite club where only Hero Member and Legendary are able to post. His personality is no different from the cockroach's one. |
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Why don't we add the cockroach to the list???
kkkkkkk just kidding, can you imagine the advocate of holocaust installing gas chambers in every corner of the thread?
I just lost it on another thread with him after this:
(Blah blah conspiracy paranoia from r0ach's sick library) Holocaust 2.0 coming soon.
W0w, OK I'm officially never going to talk politics with you! I think you may be officially off your rocker.  I was at Auschwitz / Birkenau 2 weeks ago because I was in Krakow and I wanted to witness just how sick the nazis were for myself. r0ach wants to do it all over again - I am beyond words. This is criminally psychopathic, genocidal shit - he is the scum of the earth. If I was ever in a room with him, I would not be able to stop myself, I hope I never am. But then he probably lives in his mother's basement so thankfully it's unlikely. So, in this case I agree on censorship. Some things are about humanity and morality. r0ach defiles these simple concepts. 'Holocaust 2.0 coming soon.' WTF? He's a clown, his opinions are just to remember us how diverse -for the good and for the evil - this world is. |
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I think two relatively simple rules will eliminate a lot of the chaff and spam without impacting the 'sensible off-topicness':
1) you need to be Hero or Legendary member to post in WO
2) posts in WO do not add to a posters Activity Count
(... bla bla bla elite supremacist bullshit)
NO! I'm a full member participating in WO since I was a Newbie and it's been the thread I've most participated, asked and responded in this whole forum. Turn it in a closed elite club is throwing away A LOT of people who can aggregate. Just to be clear, the guy who's compiling the list and helping most is bitserve, another Full Member just like me. |
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I'm not a prolific poster, or well known personality, but I'd volunteer to help moderate. I started the "unmoderated" wall observer thread because I believe in the laissez-faire nature of Adam's thread.
I wouldn't want the responsibility of being the sole moderator. A small team moderation approach seems like the best idea to me, as long as the mods have a reasonably similar vision for the thread, and what's appropriate. That said, we'd need to agree on some rules. There are fairly strict rules listed in Adam's OP, but they were very loosely enforced. I'd rather see very relaxed rules that are strictly enforced.
So far this guy is my candidate! |
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If option 1 or 3 occur, who are the candidates for new listed owner / mods? Someone please compile a list.
Guys, theymos has explicitly asked for a list of candidates so... can you guys please add your name to the list? He has not yet stated how the election would be nor if there will be one or many listed owners/mods, but I guess more than one individual would be needed and that we will have some say (maybe even another poll?) on the election. So anyone willing to help please quote and add your name to the list and, if you want, a description of your moderation style or whatever you feel appropiate. Also feel free to change/modify your own entry (no need to be a single line/paragraph, be as verbose as you want), this is just an example: lightfoot - "I would go with a largely hands-off option, no directly blasting other people, no posting marketing crap, simple stuff"
yefi - "I'll throw my hat into the ring if there's a shortage though"
arklan - "if mods are needed, i have the time to do it"
kurious - "'Happy to help any team on a part time basis if it will keep the WO going in a fashion as close to its original anarchic form as possible'"
Erkallys - "I candidate if this is needed. At least I have no hatred toward me as well as any fanboy."
P.S.: Missed a candidate (Erkallys) that already expressed his willingness to help. Added him to the list. But please, candidates add yourselves, thanks  Why don't we add the cockroach to the list??? kkkkkkk just kidding, can you imagine the advocate of holocaust installing gas chambers in every corner of the thread? |
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yawn. this weekend is pretty boring on the market. nothing is pumping on finex, everything is slowly drifting lower. its like watching paint dry  it is actually creating a technical indicator at the moment  to me looks like a bullish pennant That's what it feels like to me. Although traders always say buy the dip it's not easy to do when the price is going down. It's easiest to buy at the worst time possible when the market is at peak euphoria. The 10% of successful traders are probably buying the bullish pennant, and the other 90% are probably selling the dip. If I had any fiat left I'd be buying like there was no tomorrow. This seems to be the best opportunity Bitcoin is giving us in a long time. Since 2013 Macroeconomics changed a lot and the world is about a financial collapse. I'm not a SHTF guy but here where I live I see no other investment. Bitcoin will save my retirement. |
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I want a thread where everyone can talk freely about what they consider is directly, indirectly or even loosely related to Bitcoin price speculation... without having to care if discussion touch other subjects that may or may not be of the interest of all the rest participants. As soon as the messages are not clearly offensive, repeatedly spammy, or completely disruptive I guess everything is ok and any participant know how to scroll down or use the ignore button.
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The only exception for this CLEARLY OFFENSIVE restriction could be the cockroach, that guy is so funny defending PMs while we're all getting rich with BTC. He's another "feature" from that thread. |
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Leave the existing thread as it is, but with Theymos' relaxation of rules to reduce the load on bitcointalk mods.
Nothing else was wrong with it was there?
I guess we still need an owner/mod, but as long as that's another adam (a 'light touch' mod), I'm happy. I thought things went downhill when BCT mods started to attempt to keep things 'on-topic'.
I don't really see why they got their knickers in such a twist about topicness. And a lot of the 'off topic' stuff such as the E coin does have an impact on Bitcoin too. The topicness should be abandoned, disable the post reporting somehow if the mods are annoyed by it, and whoever takes it on can trim the blatant spammy junk. Everything else should be fair game. Who or what is it harming? This is the best solution in my opinion. As far as I've understood, all the problem is because someone (some few) have a nervous finger and is clicking to report without reason. SO JUST DISABLE THE REPORT BUTTON. Let the local mod do his job and trim the junk. Everybody will be happy, unless of course Theymos elect to be moderator a control-freak-mad-king-psycho as Meuh6879. |
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Almost anyone could be a new Adam as moderator, I think. The colorful aspect would be harder: moderate nothing, post hilarious random pics from 4chan, yell a bit, disappear for long stretches, be entirely bipolar chaotic, strongly advocate completely opposing views while sober/drunk/high ...I loved the guy I miss all this!  |
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did wo threat will be closed??  Do you even English, tho? |
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P.S.: Post deletions justified publicly is a no-no. That's completely disruptive of the thread, a lot of hassle, and ... well many reasons. The point is that deletion should only be done in such blatant cases that it would already be self-explanatory.
Unless OP opens a thread specifically to explain deletions and bans. Or send PM to the person who got post deleted. |
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Now which poor (lucky?) bastard wants to be WO listed owner?! A responsibility/challenge/opportunity unlike any other.  Anyone but Meuh6879!!! This guy already showed he wants to be another dictator. How about killer potleaf? He seems to be an lucky (or unlucky) bastard who is not too likely to dictate anything - HOWEVER, he seems to have gotten us WO fanboys (and fangirl) in this predicament in the first place by failing and refusing to take adequate measures to regain access to his adamstbit account. I support smeagol to be the new old mod. Not to confuse with Paashaas (the other smeagol). Also @infofront has showed to be an honest mod in his Hard-forked WO thread. |
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