Does "waiting" mean that you do not have any coins?  Or, does "waiting" mean that you have 3/4 of your coins, but you are considering that the probabilities are pretty decent that the price is going to drop some more?  And what would that price be and how many would you buy back at what price points?

For example, if you are betting on coins going below $980 or $950, there may be a decent chance of such, but the odds go down the lower you expect the price to go, and if you are waiting for below $900 or below $800, you are engaging in additional risk.

I could see flat in this $980 to $1020 price arena - even though it currently is seeming like there is decent upwards ongoing price pressures.. so maybe jumping up out of this price range seems a bit more likely to be the next move rather than down.. sure it could go either way.. so I am only slightly considering up as being a greater likelihood.

From time to time, we get stuck at all kinds of price points.. you are reading too much into it if you think that $1000 has any significance beyond the fact that it just happens to be where we are at currently... and it is not a bad spot to be - even though there is certainly some dispute, too from some who think we should be above and others who think that we should be below.  If one side prevails, then we will move off of this spot in either one direction or another...

Gotta respect you for admitting it... and even if you sometimes can get fairly emotional, you still have some good insights, too.. .There is something about having the actual experience that helps a lot, even though sometimes any of us can be a bit strung along by some of the volatility and even the manipulation of the space.. there is so much information and so much disinformation that it is difficult to not get caught up in some of it.. even if we were to have the strongest of wills.. that is certainly not me.

Yeah... go ahead.. sell most of your stash.  Good luck.

My instinct tells me that if I was going to sell, I would have already done it.. therefore I am currently in buying mode, and it is just a matter of how much and how much of a drop to wait for.

However, for example, if I think that the price is going to drop fast and far, then I would attempt to cancel my higher up buying orders in order to attempt to combine them at lower prices.. but who knows?  





I know the feeling.  I feel glad to get some more cheap coins, but wonder when it's going to stop... and wonder if I should wait a bit longer..

Yes, I got's myself some variation in my skills.....  thank you very muchie... 

The fact of the matter is that it is very difficult to determine exactly what is going on, unless you happen be part of the ones playing those coins to test resistance or support or to attempt to hold the price.  Also, the price on one exchange can sometimes lead other exchanges, yet other times, it can sometimes hold back, or sometimes the other exchanges do what they are going to do, and the lagging one has to catch up.

Sure, watching helps, but it is not easy to determine - and sure sometimes, there can be the use of bots on various exchanges, maybe some exchanges are easier to accomplish than others, and I am sure some folks participating in this thread may have even experienced a bit with their own bots or variations of bots.

Edit:  regarding your PPS.. Oh please don't tell me that you are going to jump on to the numerology baloney.

Yeah, sure there are various obvious price sticking points  and sometimes they will stick around obvious numbers because people put their orders there, and we can all have fun with some of the numerology stuff, but when you start to take that numerology crap too seriously and try to read too much into it, then some of us are going to wonder how well grounded you are....

Yes, let's have some fun with numerology.. .. but going further  

oh gosh!!!!  The only manipulation there is happens to be your ongoing attempts to manipulate facts to your lame-ass numerology theory.  

In other words, at the risk of repeating what others in this line of conversation already suggested, you are admitting that you are not really engaging in a genuine conversation in order to suss out the value of bitcoin.  You are parcing out some choice aspect and then focusing on that choice aspect and attempting to suggest that is the whole of value of bitcoin.

Let me play along for a short-period, though.  Yeah, there are a variety of lame arguers who want to suggest that bitcoin is ineffective because it cannot compete against various centralized credit card services or other centralized payment processors. 

So fucking what?  Since bitcoin is decentralized, it has to go through various hoops to prove is secure before it can start to attempt to achieve mass adoption or mass processing.  It makes no fucking sense that bitcoin should go from zero to 1,000 without making sure that it is secure first.  Yeah, no road map was outlined by Satoshi regarding how to get to a "peer to peer cashless payment system", but you know what, when you look at the situation, it makes sense to make sure that the peer to peer and the security is powerful and robust.. before the payment system becomes either mass adopted or on a similar level to some centralized system. 

On the other hand, bitcoin remains amazing because it is accomplishing a lot in terms of bolstering the various aspects of the peer to peer and the secure in order to make the payment system to become more robust when it actually does evolve to a higher mass adoption level.   On the other hand (am I running out of hands, yet?), bitcoin already serves as secure payment system that just is not at the mass adoption level, yet so there is considerable value in the system "as is" even if it evolves no further.

Regarding processing payments through fiat and credit and other traditional system, yes we can do both, and we need not use bitcoin on that level - especially if we have the option to use the other system, as well... but still does not mean that bitcoin is not bringing something to the table, even though there exist several systems that are options to a lot of people.   Conversely, if some people do not have access to some of those other payment and credit systems, then there is likely a place for bitcoin for those under banked folks... right now that is available to those people, even if they have not learned about it yet.   

GBattaglia.   You seem to be purposefully attempting to create a strawman argument with your emphasis on payment systems (which is only one part of bitcoin).  

Can you explain your point about the australia stock exchange?  Are you trying to say that bitcoin has more trade volume?  and what is the point about that, if any?

Yes... I see that we have a man of many words here who would like to chime in... Please proceed with your explanation of whatever point you are so far vaguely making.

yes.. I can see the picture.  It shows that the top part of the wedge is coming down and the lower part is going up.  What is the point?  Does it change anything?  You are still drawing a picture for where we are at and suggesting that the upcoming breakout is going to be downward.. and assigning a pretty high probability to such prediction of a downward breakout .. including seeming to fail to account for our rise to $1075 last week, even though after the fact you are suggesting that it was all within your previous prediction (did I say that you made the assessment after the fact?)      o.k. great...





If you are going to ram your silly ass predictions down people’s throats and then gloat about how wonderful you are, then of course you are going to inspire some responses, including from me.

Also, yes you continuously seem to get pleasure in whining about how you are not fully understood and that people do not read the specifics of your posts to catch every little detail.. and again.. who gives a ratt’s ass about your going on and on about your various technicalities.  There is still an ability to respond to you without having to study every stupid ass little meaningless detail that you post.

This is called responding to your derailment.




Again.. merely responding to your derailment.  Whether I am projecting or not, who gives a ratt's ass?  If you would merely respond to the substantive post, then there would be no need for supposed "projection" from me, you wanna be armchair "expert"


Whatever it is does not matter.  You still have not even attempted to answer.  You merely get caught up in irrelevant technicalities.




still nothing but repetition here.



I'm just responding to your dumb ass, and yeah, your attempt to control the narrative by defining what a response from me would mean.. pure nonsense and fantasy from your seeming desire to play games.


It is only a kind of reverse psychology that works if the other person is willing to play your framing games, or to play on your inadequate and wishful self-aggrandizing terms.


o.k.  maybe a little bit on topic and substantive?  Does not really respond to my previous questions, but likely my previous questions do not really even matter any more because you have diverted long enough that the previous topic has been forgotten, and maybe I don't even care anymore to hear your response.. which seems like you probably did not have any specific ideas anyway, beyond vague generalities.

I personally am not prepared to count those chickens yet, either in regards to the actual ETF being approved or the direction of the BTC market based on such approval, if such ETF were to go through.

I certainly have a decent stake in bitcoin and currently, my BTC holdings are nearly at 150% profits, and I am still about 1% higher allocated in BTC than my outline of a plan.  So, even though I am prepared for continued upwards price movement, as I have asserted many times, I consider any and all additional profits that come to my BTC portfolio as icing on the cake..

So, in that regard, I try not to be too emotionally invested in outcomes in either direction because I do not want to be overly disappointed if negative outcomes or less likely outcomes were to occur (even if at the moment the likelihood seems to be lower regarding negative outcomes playing out).

Oh?  now you are trying to act as if you are some kind of "expert" in the topic.    Maybe your "therapist" status shows that you want to be in "control"

What you are an expert in is avoiding addressing topics, and taking matters personally and diversion... If you just attempted to respond to the substance of my post in regards to bitcoin and the questions that I asked you in terms of backing up your bitcoin related claims:

(here's your statement:  "Is it possible that the Chinese exchanges have been faking volumes even since the last talk with PBoC, which resulted in them starting to charge fees? That would help explain why this week's PBoC intervention hasn't had much of an impact."), and I had asked some questions from you to attempt to back up your speculation.

If you could stick to the topic of bitcoin, then maybe we would not be delving into this land of irrelevance and your supposed "expertise" in a non-topical issue, your stupid-ass attempts at arm-chair diagnosis of psychology.

Isn't that one of those articles that uses the term "blockchain" over and over again, but really the innovation is the bitcoin blockchain... so they are really talking about bitcoin, even though they continue to refrence the term "blockchain?"

There are at least a couple  of errors in this kind of thinking.

1) we are on the internet and we are engaging in a discussion of topics.  In Cassius's situation, he is avoiding the topic and instead he wants to focus on me rather than the topic of discussion.  Frequently that is referred to as an ad hominem attack, or it could also be referred to as avoidance of the issue or it could be referred to as diversion,  distraction or just the brining up of pure irrelevance.

2) My attacks on people tend to be largely substantive based on their behavior in avoiding issues or maybe failing or refusing to back up their claims.  Sure once in a while I will throw in some kind of seeming attacks that seem to be about them, but mostly my attacks are either defending from being attacked or merely escalating (and/or exaggerating) and argument that I might be making based on their behavior  such as their refusal to provide evidence or to back up their claims.  Anyhow, my claim remains that my posts are mostly substantive with a bit of flavor that may be added from time to time for emphasis.    

3) By the way, this is kind of related to point two..  I don't really take matters in posts personally, but sometimes it is quite clear that some folks either avoid answering or they engage in passive aggressive personal attacks, for whatever reasons (including sometimes what appears to be lack of an ability to engage or to back up their points), and surely sometimes these kinds of passive aggressive behaviors come after I have called them out mostly based on their prior conduct.  I actually have no problem reverting back to discussing matters civily and rationally with someone who makes such attempts to discuss matters rather than engaging in avoidance (even if those persons had previously engaged in pussy behaviors... I have done this a variety of times, even with folks like billyjoeallen, aztecminer, or even recently attempted with Cassius.. even though he seems to have an inability to stay on topic.. hahahahahha..   ).

If you are serious, you are fool for at least two reasons:

1) you come off as relying on internet advices to make financial decisions for yourself and your situation,

and

2) if you are not in bitcoin at all, then waiting for $800s is stupid because you are betting too much on one direction. 


On the other hand (in relation to point 2), if you have a 60% or 70% stake in your bitcoin related funds that are allocated to bitcoin, and you are merely considering what to do with your other 30% to 40% that is in fiat, then waiting for $800s would be a bit more reasonable to consider, even though I would not even bet that much on such probability of $800s... but yeah some folks have differing views, and bet accordingly...

I would think that since this is "the bullish media" thread, then we should spend considerable time justifying any kind of bearish information (or links) that we post, no?  Otherwise, you are not "bullish" in compliance with the thread but instead just come off as spreading bearish FUD (without explaining why it might not be FUD)..

So, having said that.. 50/50 is way too high of a bearish scenario and should be explained (if there is any possible basis for it) rather than just relying on purported expert in an article, no?

good grief what?  I asked you to explain, and I provided my own assessment... but instead you gots nothing, except for finger pointing and implied whining that you are being picked on (but you are the one that spouted out the incomplete ideas in the first place that raised these kinds of questions, no?)