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2261  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: How to do micro payments with bitcoin? on: January 15, 2018, 08:27:44 PM
Can you describe it with a practical example?


For example, I want to buy something in Amazon using LN. Where do I connect to, to a random channel or directly to Amazon? how do I know if I connect a certain channel it will re-route to Amazon and other places?

In practice, it'll be simple.

You can open a channel with yourself to start with. No need to lock yourself to anyone.

Then, the wallet software will dynamically open channels with whoever you need to transact with. The option of choosing specifically who to open channels with can be done, but it won't be as quick or efficient as using the wallet software to route the transaction for you.


Im not sure about this... it would force me to make transactions as big as possible, even if I want to buy something worth $40, depending on how crowded the mempool is, I may consume a big chunk of these $40 in fees... and I don't feel confident having big sums of money outside of my cold storage, I would like to get out only what im going to spend but I dont see a clear solution to this, LN forces you to fill a decent amount, like $500 with current fees I guess would be a decent amount to spend on smaller purchases and would last for a while until you need to refill again.

"Force" is the wrong word. You're right though, there's not much point in adding BTC to a channel just for 1 purchase, you should fill it with as much as you're happy with so you can make multiple purchases from 1 channel. That way you can take advantage of the Lightning's fees, refilling channels with on-chain transactions should be kept to a minimum if you don't want to pay too much in fees.
2262  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2018-01-15] South Korea Imposes Fines on Anonymous Crypto Trading on: January 15, 2018, 08:17:28 PM
Are under 19's banned from using cash in South Korea? No?

What possible reason could the South Korean gangster-ment have for stopping kids from using cryptocurrency anyhow? Not that much different to the reasons to make draconian rules for adults: the "wrong" people are becoming wealthy. Can't have just anyone making money in a protection racket, after all.

Newsflash: kids are gonna be even more incentivised to break these "rules", and even more capable of doing so than the adults.
2263  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Don't we need to increase block weight/size? on: January 15, 2018, 06:11:32 PM
Everyone's a bank on the Lightning network
No because not everyone becomes a hub and keeps lots of channels open because it costs
$30 in Tx fees to close them and get the balance committed to the BC

That's totally wrong.

There is no $30 fee (it's a bid-based supply/demand fee, not a fixed number). And there's no necessity to close channels often.

And there's every incentive to open plenty of channels. And free fees will undermine any attempt to turn Lightning routing into a business.


and also note that I am not against
Segwit which kinds of brings file compression to the blocks using "Extended blocks" to
store data in BC because short term it is a good fix

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That's totally wrong

Yeah, maybe you should take your issue up with this guy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFfBRzh9HmU
because i think people will see that my comment was totally right

No, it's totally wrong. I'm talking to you, not some youtube video. If there's someone on that video who knows what they're talking about, they're definitely not saying anything resembling what you said.

Your ability to communicate facts about Bitcoin is completely inverted in relation to your confidence: you think you're perfect, but you sound like you're talking in your sleep after getting drunk the night before
2264  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Don't we need to increase block weight/size? on: January 15, 2018, 02:12:45 PM
please let me know what
specific point you would like to disagree on

Everyone's a bank in Bitcoin
Everyone's a bank on the Lightning network

and also note that I am not against
Segwit which kinds of brings file compression to the blocks using "Extended blocks" to
store data in BC because short term it is a good fix

That's totally wrong
2265  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Don't we need to increase block weight/size? on: January 15, 2018, 01:23:17 PM
what happens when you close the channel after Alice sends Bob $2 does it result in

1. Next to no fees
2. Bob having to pay $30 to miners as his Tx hits the block
3. Both Bob and Alice having to pay the Bitcoin miners $30 each

There's no advantage to closing the channel having used it once. So

4. Channel stays open, 0 fees


Wallets and Hubs are not the same thing

Anyone can become a Bitcoin bank, just open a wallet or a Lightning channel


And it went on to say "Virtual free transaction fees"

Lightning will be free. Or virtually free.

And my Lightning node won't charge fees, alot of people will do this to encourage the network to be better connected. Probably alot of traffic will get routed through free Lightning nodes (why pay?). Someone trying to charge high fees is gonna have a hard time competing with that.

You don't know how it works, basically. Please learn, you sound crazy.
2266  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Percentage of blocks signalling SegWit support on: January 15, 2018, 12:58:22 PM
I knew it was still possible to mine a non-Segwit block but I just cannot remember the last time I saw one. I thought that everyone mining had switched over now. I guess there could still be some small solo miners out there.


It's pretty rare, that's true. But there are still maybe < 20 every week.
2267  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Don't we need to increase block weight/size? on: January 15, 2018, 12:54:52 PM
Do you deny these hub things take transactions of the block-chain that we were told was the best thing since sliced bread
Do you deny these hub things charge fees and keep a private ledger  
Do you deny these hub things use a degree of centralization

disagree all you like but I will call these "Hub things" banks because they are


Anyone can open a Lightning channel with anyone else, and anyone can also open as many channels as they like. But I guess you're going to call anyone with more than 1 channel a bank Roll Eyes


You've had it explained to you many times already, but it seems you're resistant to learning and just want to shout about everyone being a bank instead. You can use the same logic for Bitcoin mainnet, it's absolutely full of banks. One of the original taglines to promote Bitcoin was, in fact, "be your own bank".



agreeing with everyone who says "blocks aren't full yet", or "Bitcoin needs validation performance increases first so the network can handle it"
2268  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Percentage of blocks signalling SegWit support on: January 15, 2018, 12:43:06 PM
So this means 100% blocks mined in BTC are Segwit blocks ATM?

Segwit is activated on the network so yes. The signalling was voting for it to be implemented and now that it has been there is no need to vote anymore.

Well, not quite.

There's a tiny percentage of blocks mined that are using the pre-segwit block type. Activation means that Segwit blocks cannot be rejected, not all blocks must be capable of including Segwit transactions.
2269  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Percentage of blocks signalling SegWit support on: January 15, 2018, 11:31:07 AM
As far as I know, Coinbase is not using SegWit. Wouldn't SegWit allow em to spend less on transaction fees?

Coinbase has been delaying segwit for ages now.

There are alternatives to Coinbase, they'll lose customers to those eventually


Now, I think I may give him the benefit of the doubt on delaying segwit until at least May, because Bitcoin Core 0.16 does not come out until May and this will be the version that supports bech32, so they may be waiting until then, im myself waiting until then to use segwit at all.

Should be far earlier than May. Some features have been moved to 17.0 so that 16.0 can be centered around Segwit wallet and bech32.

I would guess March is more likely the release date for 16.0
2270  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2018-1-11] TorGurad Lightning Network payments lower fees to almost nothing on: January 15, 2018, 11:14:37 AM
While we could be upgrading the coin, increasing block size like BCH has done, we are diverting traffic outside.

That's pretty much the only thing that we'll get to experience. It's obvious that there is no interest in larger blocks, which I to a certain extent can understand, but it would allow everything to get settled on-chain.

Larger blocks are not a problem, but only if there is sufficient improvements to block validation time/costs before any increase, and that the increase is made in line with those improvements.

Sorry if it seems like I'm directing this at you richardsNY, not the situation. But it gets frustrating hearing people like coolcoinz bleating "can we has more big please" without thinking that there might be other consequences of doing that to consider too (or that other coins with that design are already available, and not so successful).

Check out what happens if unbalanced engineering solutions like Bcash starts becoming used (Bcash has 8MB blocks, and it still doesn't have enough transaction rate to fill up 1Mb of that maximum). Or even better, just check out Bcash's market price: there's not a whole lot of confidence that this approach will work
2271  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2018-01-06] The Spectator - Why cryptocurrency is the answer on: January 15, 2018, 10:52:25 AM
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but the impulse behind computer-generated currency is revolutionary: to take the production and control of money away from government.

This is often said, but rarely true. Governments of most of the main currencies (e.g. Euro, Dollar, Yen) have little input in the decision making structure for monetary policy. Central banks are typically independent of government with private owners.
2272  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2018-1-11] TorGurad Lightning Network payments lower fees to almost nothing on: January 14, 2018, 10:29:02 PM
If we think of the blockchain as a highway between 2 cities, we could be making the cars faster (decreasing time between blocks), adding another lane (increasing block size), or loading cars on train to take less space and move faster and unloading at the end of the highway. Is that really the best solution?

Both those "solutions" have been rejected, for good reasons. But if you want more centralised mining (by reducing time between blocks), or a centralised network overall (by increasing the blocksize), there are other cryptocurrencies that offer those "features".

It's a free market, put your money where your mouth is, instead of offering these reckless ideas as false solutions. And you are by no means the first.
2273  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2018-01-12] ZeroHedge - Is Bitcoin Racist? on: January 14, 2018, 04:43:11 PM
So how come others are able to say it is racist?

Unfortunately, the answer is the same reason that we have to tolerate genuine racism: free speech


But remember, we have free-speech too, which is very difficult to govern in reality. Making coherent arguments that appeal to logic and reason is usually pretty effective, so the author of these bizarre ranting won't fare well in public debate on this matter.

And, as usual, Bitcoin doesn't care. The Bitcoin network is too resilient for one person's opinion about it to make a difference. One of the oldest and most powerful businesses in the world (banking) is very upset about Bitcoin's emergence, and 9 years hence, there appears to be precisely nothing that these powerful people (or their questionable friends) can do about it. This guy's whinging is a fart in the wind in comparison.
2274  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2018-1-11] TorGurad Lightning Network payments lower fees to almost nothing on: January 14, 2018, 04:32:44 PM
Ideological debates still rage about which cryptocurrency best serves the spirit of freedom, decentralization, and subversion best.

Anyone entering into ideological debates deserves everything they get. Transaction capacity scaling is a technical issue, not an ideological issue.
2275  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2018-01-12] New Data Shows Coinbase May Be Spamming the Bitcoin Network on: January 13, 2018, 03:16:39 PM
Without them participating actively in btc's development it's going to drag btc development behind.

Lol, I think it would be better if Coinbase didn't do that.

The only time they've ever tried to involve themselves in Bitcoin development, they were pushing incredibly hard to make themselves (by proxy) in charge of everything (which was, of course, roundly rejected). Coinbase are pretty trashy characters, they always have been. The list of sketchy or unethical acts they've been involved with is pretty long.
2276  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2018-01-12] ZeroHedge - Is Bitcoin Racist? on: January 13, 2018, 02:41:27 PM
But Austrian economics, due to its proponents, is closely tied to right-wing libertarianism. Murray Rothbard is often seen as the father of the "anarcho-capitalism" that became characteristic of both the right-wing Austrian movement and later the Bitcoin community, and was infamously incredibly racist. He preached "voluntary" racial segregation (akin to Richard Spencer's "peaceful ethnic cleansing") and made claims based in scientific racism.

There's no doubt that many of Bitcoin's earliest proponents were ancaps, and bitcoiners often show reverence to Rothbard and other controversial figures from the von Mises school. And there's no doubt that this culture still survives today, hence this sort of article.

Libertarianism as a political philosophy isn't inherently racist, it's simply 18th century liberalism extended to consider how a society could function without any central government at all.

That means racists can be attracted to the philoshophy, they (unwisely) believe that freedom from government diktats means freedom to do anything they like, and that doing so would suddenly work out for them (including behaving in all ways that most people consider immoral/idiotic, such as racist behaviour).

This isn't such a problem, social outcasts (like racists) have a tendency to stick together, and a free society just makes it easier to identify those you don't want to associate yourself with. The modern "ban" on racist behaviour doesn't work at all, racists simply talk racism when no-one else is listening, and make racist decisions disguised with some other intention.

Genuine free speech and freedom to act is for everyone, including reacting to the behaviour of others. It's far better to have racism out in the open (instead of self-censored), pretending unenforceable laws work just makes the problem worse. You can't magically make someone renounce racism by attempting to force their mouth shut. But you can try to reason with them, and that's only possible if people feel confident they can talk freely without being punished.




And sorry but massive ROFL. Which ethnicity is Bitcoin racist towards? Or in favour of? Satoshi was famously just a fake name, no-one knows if Satoshi was 1 eskimo, 5 indonesians or a 20-strong multi-ethnic team of people. All we know is, Satoshi wrote good English, and not such great C++.

If Bitcoin was racist, how did it become used by anyone all over the world? There've been multiple translations of the Bitcoin Core software for many years. If people want to contribute code for Bitcoin Core (the software the majority of the Bitcoin network runs on), there are no ethnicity checks. It's a simple case of whether your coding or design ideas are good or not. Many contribute code using pseudonyms, just as Satoshi did, there's no way of knowing which ethnic group they belong to.


This is like saying "vegetables are racist to arabs, because they refuse to grow in the desert" or "TV screens are racist, because not white".
2277  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2018-01-12] KFC Canada starts accepting Bitcoin as payment on: January 13, 2018, 12:50:02 PM
Also, who knows how long this "bug" has been exploited by governments sniffing through your information and stuff

Well, we don't really know anything about who was aware of this bug, or for how long.

It's kinda irrelevant IMO: the Intel "Management Engine" (which can remotely operate your computer at a higher administrative level than the user can even access) has been a part of the Intel hardware spec since 2009. Only Intel (allegedly) have the cryptographic keys that permit executing software on the ME. So Intel (and buddies) could spy on your entire computer usage and have the computer lie to you at any time about what it's really doing, too.

Given all this, I don't think Intel needed to deliberately introduce the recent branch-prediction kernel memory bugs, they've had what they need to surveill user's computers for pretty much the same length of time that the bugs existed for.
2278  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2018-01-12] KFC Canada starts accepting Bitcoin as payment on: January 12, 2018, 06:49:38 PM
you guys have to read before post such statement.

Yeah I didn't read the article

Which is the sensible thing to do right now, until we know the full details of what the Intel CPU bugs can do to let someone steal your BTC.

Until then, I won't be going anywhere near websites that require Javascript, or that are run by possible incompetents (Coindesk.com is both, I believe)
2279  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: How to do micro payments with bitcoin? on: January 12, 2018, 06:41:24 PM
I also see a problem with the opening and closing of the different channels for each shop you buy at

It's much cheaper just to leave it open as long as possible (channels can be left open permanently)


this would incentivize opening a channel on a big merchant and always buy there (say amazon starts accepting LN payments, then most people would go there always and not give a chance to the smaller merchants just to save the money from opening a channel on other online shops). This would make it even worse for them.

You don't need a Lightning channel for every person or store you send to. Money can be routed across multiple channels, so as long as the overall network is well connected, there's not much advantage to who you open a channel with. It's probably better to open channels with more neutral intermediate channel operators, they'll almost certainly try to gain some advantage from opening channels directly with big businesses (that's not going to be an easy business to be in when the barrier to entry is so low)
2280  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Exactly How Do you Fork a Blockchain? on: January 12, 2018, 04:43:47 PM
For the fork to exist, you need at least 1 forked block to exist. For that, you also need the hashpower to mine at least 1 block on the new fork. Arbitrarily lowering the block difficulty would only work once the new consensus rules are established; those rules cannot be established for a chain fork that doesn't yet exist.


For blockchain networks with low block solution difficulty, mining one hardfork block is not a problem. To hardfork Bitcoin at it's current difficulty, that's a considerable infrastructure investment (hashpower, location, electricity outlay etc).
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